I haven't posted anything a while. See, that’s what happens when you read the sidebar, lift, OYS, and have a mission... you get too busy to always be able to comment in the first hour or 2 of a post, which are usually where the top comments will come from (not always).
Anyway, I’ve been thinking about genuine frame
In order to make progress, a big prerequisite is downsizing your ego and getting honest with yourself. I observe a lot of new guys talking out of both sides of their mouth. It’s ok - it’s how most of us arrived here - confused
Confused on so many things.... like when they say STFU, do they mean it literally. At one point, I actually took STFU literally (spoiler alert / I don’t now). STFU means speak more deliberately and stoically **while also maintaining a sense of humor.
Is that even possible? - to be stoic and humorous simultaneously? Yes, it is... in fact, it is preferable.
Don’t take your women so damn seriously
This is where humor and stoicism intercept.
However, first, you need to concentrate on the basics and become the best man you can be in all areas. The basics: lifting, eat clean/get lean, sidebar, stfu. Too many men come on her looking for an instant fix or they want to reinvent the wheel.
Once you invest in the basics over an extended period of time, you will stumble upon a resource that you couldn’t previously access:
Frame..
The reason you couldn’t access frame before is because it is an inside job, and faking frame won’t get you far. As a matter of fact, faking frame is likely to backfire on you and set you back even farther than your newbie faggot ass is.... because people (particularly your woman) will see right through it, and she will throw creative shit tests at you that you never knew even existed.
See here’s the thing... women own social and verbal battlefield due to hundreds (perhaps thousands) of years of evolution. Why would you want to fight on that battlefield?
This is why you do the work for YOU. Building the frame will come as a natural result of doing the work. But, I don’t go out with the idea thinking “ok Bobby, I’m going to build some frame now” and then start trying little tricks and gimmicks to prove my frame.
Tricks and gimmicks are for PUA, and even in PUA, their effectiveness is limited because if that’s all you have, you will be unable to successfully spin plates, and the first time you try, one of them will lock you down, and then most likely dump you after you drop all your other “plates” and lose all passive dread power.
But, I digress.
Back to frame - you build it for yourself by trusting the process, and then it just happens.
One day your wife throws a shit test at you that would have made you lose your temper, yell, get butthurt, and run out of the room like a little child... but this time something different happens
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You don’t GAF
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You find it humorous (amused mastery)
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Maybe you agree and augment it, and you genuinely laugh at your own response... and she does too
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Your mind is quiet and you don’t feel stressed about the test
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Or perhaps you feel agitated, but you STFU (stoicism}
- You have genuine frame and you possess humor and stoicism simultaneously
Yes, it is possible. But, you have to put in the work -
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Do the readings (not just a few books / all of them).
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You have to get lean and add muscle.
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You have to do weekly OYS posts
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You have to STFU and not engage in petty arguments. Make it simple... learn the art of not arguing, but pick your battles if a serious line of disrespect is crossed.
- If you don’t pick your battles wisely, you will get caught up in endless petty arguments-
if you find yourself having endless petty arguments, That is a reflection of your lack of leadership and lack of attractiveness.
That is on you, and you need to fix you
So,
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Learn amused mastery,
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practice A&A,
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practice fogging and flipping the script...
- but learn the subtle art of not giving a fuck (there might even be a sidebar book about that).
Learn how to STFU and not engage
Learn how to do all these things.
How?
By doing the work and trusting the process
The result - The ability to Be naturally humorous and stoic. Learn to feel pain without being a faggot and escalating it into something 10 times worse.
Learn to make the stay plan the same as the go plan.
Learn how to become a real man.
But, be patient - It takes time and effort, and it will be harder for some than others Depending on how deep your blue pill conditioning runs.
Get up when you fall. Get right back up on the fucking horse no matter how badly you slip backwards... just STFU and get back on the horse. It is better get badly wounded on the horse than to fall off and bitch about it.
Become humorously stoic by doing the work And trusting the process
SBIII 4y ago
I like this post and most of all this bit. Genuine frame.
With genuine frame you can do whatver the fuck you want to. You can be whoever the fuck you want to be. Because that is who you are and that is who you want to be .
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And that.
Is genuine frame.
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Nothing more.
Nothing less.
michael1962-01 4y ago
learn to slap her ass if she misbehaves. most love this. learn the standard phrase "honey i know you are right about me beeing a asshole. but i can't change. i know thats why you love me." then kiss her. end of argument - sex or work , whatever is ok for you at the point.
sometimes you need to comfort them.
you will get a feeling when it is testing when they are really desperate about a thing.
ltr'ing a attractive women is like taming a 500 pound tiger in the backyard.
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BobbyPeru 4y ago
Indeed. What a long strange trip it’s been. Great summary of stages.
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johneyapocalypse 4y ago
Great comment deserves its own post smarty-pants.
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johneyapocalypse 4y ago
Just what I've been looking for, lol.
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BarracudaRP 4y ago
I like this, a lot. I have to remind myself: I wouldn't let my day be impacted by a bad attitude from one of my kids, why should it be different for my wife or anyone else?
Also, I missed the 2 hour window as usual. This comment is doomed to be down voted by the bloopers, ha
so_woke_da_wookie 4y ago
I take adults too seriously.
SBIII 4y ago
What's the story with the dow votes of late?
BarracudaRP 4y ago
Right? I can't tell if it's the usual BP guys who downvote everything, or just a bunch of misguided MRP newbies
Blarg_Risen 4y ago
Baffles me how many OYS I read and I say "...hes fighting over that? That miniscule issue?"
Looking back it really seems like we were all just entitled whiny little baby bitches who couldn't take a punch and got butthurt when things didn't go out way in the slightest.
simbarlion 4y ago
Still amazed at the value of MRP in all aspects of life...it just makes you better.
'Authentic' is also an excellent descriptor of the high value man for the list.
Cloudy_Pirate 4y ago
I've always seen stoicism as being full of dry wit and humor about life.
I think this quote from the stoic Epicetus sums it up nicely:
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The key to amused mastery is knowing the things that are really mine and knowing that the antics of others (aka shit tests) don't even touch those things.
Good post.
business---travel 4y ago
This is so spot on...
Too many of the newbies that come here fail to trust the process that other men have gone through to unfuck themselves.
Alf248365 4y ago
Thanks. I'm early on in the process and have never been alpha, so a lot of work to do. I think I'm making some progress with the shit tests - they don't bother me as much and I don't try to come out having fixed it. Good reminder to just keep plugging away at it
SoggyTrain 4y ago
"she will throw creative shit tests at you that you never knew even existed. "
Or sneak attack you when you are trapped with her after a few drinks when you least expect it. If all you have is STFU in your tool-bag you are doomed to fail.
so_woke_da_wookie 4y ago
I hear you, but having that STFU in the bag when you get that sneak attack after a few drinks is the right tool for the right job.
SBIII 4y ago
You mean Slur The Fuck Up doesn't work?
UsefulWalk4 4y ago
This is an excellent primer on developing frame. It happens over time. Be patient, trust the process, and do the work.
Eloquently written post! Especially timely for me.
johneyapocalypse 4y ago
On-point post dude. Thanks.
Floatingsidewal 4y ago
We often forget this isn't just about the women in our life, but our acquaintances in a more general sense. One day, you find yourself using amused mastery in the middle of a meeting with that person that you feared at work.
Everybody laughs but them.
aLL1_ISE 4y ago
It hurts , but it works. Trust the process.
Idigabighole 4y ago
You articulated a number of concepts that had been vague ideas for me up to this point. Great stuff.