And the funny thing is that we are mostly taught the opposite. That your "partner" will be your safe place.
THIS IS NOT TRUE FOR MEN. It just isn't.
A girl can control this instinct initially, to get you emotionally invested, to "get to know you". She will hide that her attraction is diminishing as you stop being a mystery to her, she will even fuck you just so you will be sure she WANTS you to open up.
This is just another trick nature plays on us. We feel safe opening up to someone and making that person special to you, your partner. But in reality it doesn't go down like this. ever. Unfortunately.
The more she know you, the more she will shit-test. The more she will try to break barriers in the relationship. The more she will try to get away with. AND the more she will try to drain your energy.
This is something that every guy should internalize and learn how to deal with their own way. Women aren't an investment in the sense that you give (doesn't matter what) and you get back. The ONLY thing you get back is the NOW and only what is happening NOW. Otherwise you are throwing your time, money, w/e in the trash.
When you think about giving anything, when you think about commiting, remember this: You are paying her for what she has ALREADY done. You aren't getting ANY guarantee for the future.
Women aren't an investment in any possible way. They are time wasters, money wasters and energy wasters. The good part about this is that pussy is the only thing they can offer, really. There is not that much to it other than this.
Fraita 7y ago
I've come to realise that womens gossip/shaming e.t.c. tend to draw my energy. Not that they shame/gossip about me, just the way they talk to eachother/me. It's fun to see how low self estem they have so they have to make the impression that they are "above" the person they shame/gossip about.
I started at college fall of 2015, start to spend time with four girls and one guy. Not to have sex, I just thought they were fun and made the days at school go faster. At the end of 2016 I was so annoyed and tired at them, because the way they were "attacking" other people behind their back about the person in questions "bad" traits. Even when the girls in my social circle, even had the same bad traits them self, and just tried to seem better then the victim.
I ditched them in beginning of 2017 after I went to Philippines with them (BAD trip because of the company). I've been much more happy since then
Coniferous_88 7y ago
"They are time wasters, money wasters and energy wasters."
...Only if you have a weak frame and allow them that power over you.
This is just another way they test the strength of a man's frame and his commitment to himself/his mission.
A good question for a man to ask himself is, "Does the satisfaction she provides equal my investment?"
sir_wankalot_here 7y ago
This comment defies science.
Frame is essentially will power, you have a limited resource of it.
Coniferous_88 7y ago
Your frame is your reality....its how you view or 'frame' the world around you with regards to how you choose to respond to it.
If you are constantly having to fight or use will power to control your frame, then you are getting pulled into her frame which is obviously stronger than yours.
cainfox 7y ago
Says who, exactly? Where is the science behind that?
103342 7y ago
I always find it funny when guys on TRP try to frame shit-tests this way. Don't get me wrong, it is a legit way to think about it, but not how I see it.
You know what is the absolute BEST way to pass a shit-test? The absolute best way to show her your commitment to your mission?
To dump her and fuck another girl the minute she starts bothering you.
This is how an "alpha" or w/e passes a shit-test. This is how I do it, I just don't listen to anything a woman says to me that doesn't pleases me anymore. Anything other than that (for me) is playing into HER frame.
beta_no_mo 7y ago
Dumping every woman that bothers you a little is like spitting out water because it's wet every time you drink it. Enjoy being eternally thirsty.
sweetleef 7y ago
That strategy works perfectly in Internet-toughguy-land, where there are no time constraints or other obligations competing for time, and where there are infinite attractive, available women patiently waiting in line for their chance to perform for OP at no cost.
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theoctopuss 7y ago
I mostly agree with you, except one thing.
Don't delete that number.
[deleted] 7y ago
Except that successfully smacking down a shit test is basically entering a bonus round. It's been my experience that if I not only pass, but completely destroy a shit test, she becomes nearly perfect for a little while. It doesn't last but it's definitely enjoyable. Same girl who was just trying to nag me into I don't even know what is now hyper feminine, submissive, and horny.
Coniferous_88 7y ago
The 'zero tolerance' approach you've adopted is great if that works for you...but just keep in mind that hard nexting a plate or LTR means you will then have to go out and invest more time/effort into new possibilities. The need to invest energy and time into women never goes away unless you choose to MGTOW. Sometimes, it is far more efficient for a man to manage his plates/LTR by setting standards, boundaries, and holding frame rather than an immediate hard next just for a minor shit test. YMMV.
103342 7y ago
I actually enjoy going after new girls, for me, it doesn't really feel like a chore like watching some boring movie with a girl does.
titanstats 7y ago
Haha, I can tell you are young. The thrill wears off at some point.
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When you have more important things to spend your finite time on, balancing a plate passed 0-tolerance becomes a logical choice.
SetConsumes 7y ago
So you punish a woman for being a woman? Ridiculous.
Good luck maintaining a relationship for more than 5 min with a woman who's not a complete pushover.
YMU15 7y ago
A lot of people here think they can "change" a woman or find one that will "deal" with their boundaries. It's as you say - their nature. Either accept it, love it because you're a man who can withstand the weight of the world, and she's a woman, destined to piss us off yet be so delicate.
theONE843663 7y ago
Dude I went to a hooker once and even a hooker shit tested me... Like wtf man. A fucking hooker ffs? Instant hard NEXT!
SetConsumes 7y ago
Can't tell if you're serious lol
theONE843663 7y ago
That's the fucking point! I can't even tell if I'm serious or nah!
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Shit tests exist to test your fitness, and reassure her of her choice, she picked a high quality man, and continues to be so.
The best way to pass? Be that high quality man who doesn't let a wee little girl get under her skin.
the best way to kick the can down the road? 'Next' for every single shit test.
Frame isn't something you have, that gets depleted. It's something you are, and is infinite
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103342 7y ago
Not true. You get tired, your "frame" gets weaker.
Unless you're not human and you are never tired, in that case, just ignore this post altogether.
[deleted] 7y ago
Here, case in point the guys have been discussing it yesterday.
Notice the difference in frame. You're automatically failing it by going nuclear, when in reality, it's simply flirting, or the female version of guys busting your balls as locker room banter.
Bet you don't quit the gym because 3 guys called you a faggot for having a weak bench 1RM
[deleted] 7y ago
Keep telling yourself that. Im not naval gazing. Theres plenty of guys here who live what i quoted.
Its not any easier, you simply get better
Terdmuffin 7y ago
This happens if you're pretending to have a frame that you haven't really internalized. Your frame is how you are... Tired or not.
blackedoutfast 7y ago
if you get tired and your frame gets weaker when a girl shit-tests you, that means you haven't internalized the RP mindset. you are only superficially alpha and once girls start probing below the surface your instinct is to flee.
i love getting shittested because i know i can crush them. i get a rush of energy. don't feel tired or weak at all.
pandaholic23 7y ago
How do i truly internalize the RP mindset when it comes to frame?
I get get the whole frame control but it's mostly surface level. Everytime I start to "get it", I forget it the next week or I run out of willpower when shit tested too much.
blackedoutfast 7y ago
have you ever read an article about an actor like daniel day-lewis or christian bale who gets so into the character that they are portraying in a movie that they stay in character even when they're not filming? that's kind of like what you need to do. but instead of studying Abraham Lincoln's childhood and background and mannerisms and all that so you can become Abe Lincoln for a movie, you need to become Chad Thundercock.
it's too difficult and exhauting when you try to maintain your internal beta-ish personality and then have a separate, external alpha personality on top of it. you need to become that alpha at your core and then just roll with it without having to think "hmm ok what would Chad do in this situation?" you become Chad and then you can react perfectly without even thinking.
pandaholic23 7y ago
That's was a perfect explanation thanks. This makes a lot more sense and I can see this working for me.
You should make a post elaborating more into this.
SetConsumes 7y ago
Yeah, I enjoy getting shit tested usually. Entertaining and fun to pass.
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glad im not alone. i almost want them at this point just to show off the quality of my responses.
SetConsumes 7y ago
I like the practice and random, novel things women come up with. Trite tests are easy but less interesting.
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Related: "let's spend some quality time together!" = "cancel the activities that make you successful/attractive, so that I have a window in which to hector you for some meaningless transgressions I pulled out of thin air".
Auvergnat 7y ago
The way I see it, this exploitation of our resources, time and wealth is the price we pay for genetic legacy. Just like kids are a net drain on your resources but that is the price paid by the adult to see its genes grow up to be passed on, women are a net drain on your resources but that is the price to be paid to see our genes passed on, and cared after until adulthood.
Well at least that's an evopsych explanation for the propensity of women (and kids) to always ask for more resources (and get away with it). It doesn't mean you have to accept it (especially if you're not having kids).
mummersfarce_is_done 7y ago
What you describe is eusociality.
Auvergnat 7y ago
I wikipediaed this word since I did not know it and am now curious what in my comment made you think of a type of animal society organization that is characterized by division of labor, overlapping generations or cooperative young rearing such as that of ants? I was thinking more in terms of evolutionary conflict.
mummersfarce_is_done 7y ago
Oh nevermind. I think I misapplied the word.
[deleted] 7y ago
/u/skorchzang calls women parasites.
Adorable yes, but parasites just the same
Rufferto_n_Groo 7y ago
OP has not reached a 1+ year plus planning horizon yet.
Those of us with longer planning horizons have used TRP as a mechanism to achieve long term life goals. Goals that TRP typically recommends against for those who are starting alphas only concerned with the moment.
Long planning horizons means LTR's, children, educating those children, equipping and goal pathing those children, and becoming an ancestor. It can also include politics, etc.
Then the meaning of investment becomes clear, and one does not simply walk away at a shit test. It is mastered, every time, and progress continues toward the man's goal.
103342 7y ago
I have said this A LOT of times in this sub. Let me say it again: This sub doesn't offer a "solution" to women's behavior, like you seem to think.
A lot of guys here weren't "beta" before or after reading the stuff here, me included.
The reason a place like this exists is because things are fucked up if you want a family and children and stability.
But I digress, you will learn this stuff the hard way.
Rufferto_n_Groo 7y ago
Brah, How many years under your belt?
FYI, you will not live forever. Your ass does not age like wine, even though your SMV is higher than a woman's.
You have a short span on this planet, less if you get hit by a truck or smoked by stray bullets from gang warfare.
As I have said many times on this forum, women/children/family is about risk management. There's fucking risk. Manage it.
I don't think there's a solution to women's behavior. Don't stick those quotes in one what I said. You seem to think that because there's not a solution then a hard next at the first shit test is appropriate. I accept that women are women, and the only behavior you can control is your own. A man's behavior is risk management, whether that's dread game, pre-nup, selection, etc.
Where you need to go is the realization that being Alpha and mastering game does not equal mastering life. It's not even fucking close. There are far more hardcore levels out there that you have not even touched.
Those of us who want more, or have longer planning horizons, or who have very definite goal sets in life see TRP and game as a set of steps in that journey, not as the end. If you see that as the end, that's ok.
103342 7y ago
A lot of guys here want children, me included. But I will NEVER put a family, my family, in the hands of a woman, I know better than to do so.
There is no risk management in that decision the way I see it, its insanity.
You will never be able to control a woman in the current state of things unless you are ready to take huge hits.
If you think otherwise, go ahead, I couldn't care less about guys that get played by women. It just amazes me how with all the information online some dudes insist on falling for the same traps over and over again.
Truth is, if everyone was like me, with my ridiculous standards, women would be much better.
Rufferto_n_Groo 7y ago
You want control?
That don't exist, bro.
That's why I talk about risk management. That's why game exists in the first place. You are dealing with other humans that you can't control, but only influence using techniques that have a high probability of working. It's only probabilities.
Your deal is about FEAR. You have fear. You have instituted rules and a mental way of thinking because you are afraid of what is possible to happen. You are letting that fear override your ability to calculate odds, manage risks, and have a planning horizon that extends into decades.
You say it yourself: "You will never be able to control a woman in the current state of things unless you are ready to take huge hits."
In short, you have failed to manage your life to minimize risks, you are not prepared to lose, and you don't have an abundance mentality. That mentality is not just that there are lots of women out there, its about your whole life. Marriage and children are not for you. Give up wanting them, because you are not yet ready to want them.
mummersfarce_is_done 7y ago
I think nexting a woman who shit tests you frequently is a good idea. I also think the frequency of shit tests are based on the insecurity of a woman at that particular time phrase (but feel free to correct me if you think otherwise). More the insecurity, more the drama and less the stability.
Just find a woman that shit tests you less than others, take charge in a relationship (financially, physically and emotionally) and then create a family with that woman if the risk suits you. Even this is a risk. But anything more riskful than that is asking for trouble in my opinion.
Rhynovirus 7y ago
Man aint this the truth. Remember: women are fickle children. You have been banging her for the last two months? Things are going great? She will flake on you over a text from a dude she knew two years ago because she has always wondered "what if...?"
Remember: AWALT. If they aren't spreading their lips for you or otherwise directly enhancing your life, why are they around?
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Preface with:
When you're in a womans frame
sour_jesus 7y ago
If you need an emotional sponge here's a protip: have 1-2 girl 'friends', YOU friendzone THEM asap and talk THEIR ears off silly.
Never let the main ho know how you really tick.
fingerthemoon 7y ago
Agreed. I've been doing this for many years, long before trp and my discovery of evo psych. Female orbiters are the best. They don't push for sex and will listen to all your problems. Looking back I've had more female friends than male friends, some are still there after 15+ years. I know they secretly want more than just friendship but none of them push it on me.
sour_jesus 7y ago
Good for you, dude. I learned the hard way. Gender wars considered they have already the WMDs, no need to disclose your strategy too.
JamesSkepp 7y ago
...if you allow them to.
If you are focused on yourself and your purpose, they don't.
WhorehouseVet 7y ago
Rollo mentioned there are no relationship equities, I remember that post well. Also, Briffault's law.
PowerVitamin 7y ago
Yeah I was reading this as a shit-test too. I'm glad TRP agrees with me.
[deleted] 7y ago
imagine if they taught this in high school.
Bareassman 7y ago
Make it seem that all women are like this (AWALT?)
Fuck that...well, not the succubus part because it's sort of true.
They're not all useless though.
fetchyminx 7y ago
Don't let women control you mentally and you won't drain your energy
triagonalmeb 7y ago
Lmao what the fuck is this
[deleted] 7y ago
I just contracted AIDS from reading this post
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