3rd date F-close: Younger woman asks me "what took you so long"?
Summary:
A third date with a younger woman proved to me that Gen-X guys who take the red pill need to set aside their experiences with women of our own age / era. Gen-Y chicks are much, MUCH easier.
Body:
About a month or so ago I went speed dating . I met a few broads and there was mutual attraction, we passed mutual contact info. Went on a couple dates with them. Most were in their 30s. One was in her 20s. For context, I'm in my early 40s.
First date (after the speed dating) with the chick in her 20s was a coffee shop, just to make sure there's attraction. But the logistics prevented any escalation. Second date was cross country skiing - she took me to a chalet in the woods in a provincial park. Got some kino in, but I didn't push it.
She goes on vacation for a while, and comes back and we meet up again - this time a walk around a scenic part of town, then pick up take-out food and head to her place. After dinner, she starts showing me photos of her vacation at the dining room table. I tell her to move to her couch, so I can get closer.
So we sit on the couch, have a glass of wine and chat, and after about 15 minutes, in mid-conversation, I just silently took the glass out of her hand, put it on the table and leaned in and started kissing her. No real LMR to speak of, but this chick didn't give any IOIs at all - it was 100% up to me to initiate.
Turns out my bold play was the right one. She was receptive, and within 20 minutes we were down to business.
After we are finished, during pillow conversation, she asks me "What took you so long?" She was honestly confused that I didn't try to fuck her on the 1st or 2nd date (first time was shitty logistics, 2nd time I honestly thought it was just a trip out to go skiing and she'd get freaked out if I tried to fuck her in a cabin in the woods). She claimed it was normal for guys to try to fuck her the same night they met her. I think she has run into a few of you magnificent bastards before...
Anyways, she teases me about being older, so I tease her about being too young. She laments that the guys her age only last a few minutes (we had a 90 minute fuck session) and don't know how to fuck her properly. Then she starts asking about my level of sexual experience (partner count, have I ever had a threesome, anal, that sort of thing). I give it to her pretty much straight since I've had more than a few adventures over the years.
One thing I messed up: She asked me "when was the last time you had sex?" I told her - it was over six months prior. I could see her body language tense up a bit, she seemed put off by that answer. She got laid last January she said (probably since then too, on vacation I expect). My admission that it's been a while didn't go over well. It wasn't worth my time to explain that I was on a fucking military base in the middle east for the last six months.
But I recovered - despite that setback, she's coming over tomorrow for dinner and fun.
Lessons learned:
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I guess what blew my mind was that she felt it was normal to have just casual sex immediatly after meeting somebody. I approached her and treated her as I did Gen-X broads back in the 90s and 2000s. Last time I was in the game, bitches were waaay colder - at least to me. Turns out younger chicks these days are a lot easier.
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Bold action saved the day. If I sat there waiting for an IOI or subtle advance, I'd have spent the night looking at vacation photos then going home to jack off.
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When it came time to act, I didn't need any line, she took no convincing - just lean in and do what you want. If she doesn't like it, she'll recoil. If your SMV is high (I'm probably just entering the top 20% right now, thanks TRP!) then that's all the convincing you need.
- I think that admitting to a six month gap since the last time I got laid either nudged my SMV down slightly, or made her feel self-conscious about her own slutty behaviour. Not sure which.
antariusz 8y ago
The women haven't changed. Gen X women were the same as millennial women.
You are the one that has changed.
Women have ALWAYS been willing to give it up on the first date with an alpha cad.
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
Honestly, I hadn't thought of that possibility. Interesting. I guess that change in observed behaviour could be a benchmark for my progress as a TRP-aware man.
antariusz 8y ago
Believe it or not, but a woman that would ask you something like this, (what took you so long) is one of the good ones, a shit test designed to help you improve as a man. Maybe most wouldn't even recognize it as a shit test. But almost all men would recognize that she was looking for you to "be better" and that is, a good trait to have in a woman.
But only an RP aware man is going to be able to "consistently" recognize and pass shit tests and see them for the opportunity to improve that they are.
sorceryofthetesticle 8y ago
It's amazing how your seeming lack of success with other women is such a turn off for chicks. A lot of us were raised to believe that women don't want a scandalous manwhore. What a joke.
Your experience with younger women expecting to get propositioned quick lines up with mine. Something I've noticed though is that a lot of chicks are fucking stupid at showng interest (probably because so many thirsty dudes try to get with them, so their 'fuck off'demeanor just sticks). They just expect you to be ready to go and press the issue with no effort on her part. I'm still convincing myself that it's okay to try even if she's not showing obvious signs. Sure is refreshing when a girl knows how to act feminine to help things along, though.
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this. fucking bullshit man. so i date a lot but tell practically no one. lately girls have been nosey as shit on my private schedule so i just tried telling them. i regularly have 2-3 dates a night, and suddenly girls fucking love that shit.
what. the. fuck.
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It's along the lines of the Chirstopher Hitchens speech 'women can't be funny'. Or Adam Corollas speech on wanting your daughter to be 'pretty, but not too pretty'
It's a skill most have never needed to develop, so the few you see you can do it are exceptions to the rule
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
That's just it, this broad never has initiate or give IOIs because she probably gets a parade of thirsty suitors pushing the envelope every time she meets them.
Kakistokratic 8y ago
"scandalous manwhore". I need this as flare.
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mygodimpathetic 8y ago
Younger girls these days are clueless.
Ifuckinglovepron 8y ago
Blue pill/feminism bullshit works both ways. Not only does it hurt men and make them act like women, it harms women as well by telling them they should try to be the man and that it is wrong to act feminine. It hurts everyone.
[deleted] 8y ago
as a millennial, let me completely agree to this. The only IOI's I ever get are a lack of protest as I escalate Kino
Layback 8y ago
It's as if women frown upon "players" to keep it a secret from the betas. Reminds me of that classic RSD Tyler article, "The secret society"
[deleted] 8y ago
hmm, nice read.
Kind of funny, puts cock blocking mother hens into perspective. It's not a signal that she's jealous, a killjoy etc. It's that you're a shitty hockey player on a power play and the opposing goalie lost his stick, the ref calls a timeout... But you totally would have scored if he didn't.
Be a better player
thewrightstuff88 8y ago
Being bold can pay off in many ways. From what I gather, it is always up to the man to initiate and escalate. Sure, we say, look for IOIs, but one can also use the notion "go for the no." That's not to say, go from touching to hand to her tits immediately. It's more to say, progress kino and escalate naturally and just watch her reaction, if she doesn't flinch or move back, you're most likely in and can just keep going. Nuclear option is what OP did and it paid off and sometimes, it works.
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I have gotten a 'no. were are not having sex tonight' response from a lady, so I kept making out with her, until felt hard and she knew I was hard. So I just pulled it out. And she sucked it. And I fucked her. This happened with several women. I realized that if I had a single mom over I had no problem pulling out my cock, but treated non-moms different. that was a mistake.
two outta 8 were able to decline the D. But I made out with a lot of chicks and didn't go for the reveal. I wonder how many lays I left on the table.
CornyHoosier 8y ago
I stole a page right out of women's playbook when I was first started out with TRP. I took the stance of fake it till you make it.
I noticed women tensed up when I responded "never" to asking about when my last relationship was or when I had sex last. Why did I always answer honestly? Because my mother always taught me to be honest.
So yea, I decided to drop that bit of truthfulness and I lied through my fucking teeth. I was 24 when I slept with a woman for the first time. Sure enough she asked me when my last relationship was and I told her, "I just left a relationship". No cringe.
Seriously! As God is my witness, you could literally see the looks on their faces change when I had mentioned I was a virgin or had never had a girlfriend. It was if that information told them there was something wrong with me and I should be shunned.
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awalt_cupcake 8y ago
This has gotten me more success than I'd like to admit. It's important to have merit to your words but when you're just starting out you're like a post-college graduate. You have to fluff your "resumé".
KyfhoMyoba 8y ago
No, it's not. Preselection is a thing. Lack of it is a bad thing.
sorceryofthetesticle 8y ago
Yeah, the concept makes sense. It is still a surprising experience when a girl's eyes bug out as if she made a huge mistake when I admit it's been a while. Of course I no longer do this, but there you have it. If you're keen on a joke, try it on a girl, it is hilarious and very offputting to see her reaction.
KyfhoMyoba 8y ago
Only excuses are deployment or prison. Prison is better.
HumanSockPuppet 8y ago
I wrote on this subject a long time ago.
When a woman isn't making obvious manoeuvres to get away from you, and the situation is appropriate for escalation, then escalate until she gives you a clear and definite "no".
A lot of girls nowadays lack training in sexual polarity. They don't know how to give off the right "keep going" signals - but at the same time, they instinctively don't want to walk away from something that they're enjoying. So she'll stand around in your general vicinity without making eye contact, or come over to your house for a study-session-for-two and literally sit there working quietly.
I call this the Signal of Opportunity.
People are always moving hastily towards the pleasurable parts of their day. Getting home from work to crack open a beer. Rushing through traffic to get to the concert. We try to spend as little time in the boring parts as possible.
So, if she's doing absolutely nothing in your general vicinity, then that means that the pleasurable thing is YOU. Go for her.
Zagiggity 8y ago
Thank you for this. Looking back, I've experienced these moments of what felt like awkward boredom. I've only in the last few months worked up to approaching with little IOIs being given.
looc22 8y ago
This one hits me hard, great advice. I'll keep this in mind next time the opportunity presents itself.
Luis_McLovin 8y ago
This perfectly describes the flatmate I fucked, she used to knock on my door and ask to come in and chat. Then she'd just sit there as I turned my back and continued working. And do nothing.
She didn't show ANY IOIs, at one point I went for it and she was receptive. I "took a chance" as she gave no signals, didn't say anything.
Vast majority of women nowadays lack any kind of agency when it comes to sex, god forbid other areas of life. They want to act like a man, be treated like a man when it suits them, then expect to be treated like a woman when it suits them. They can't fucking make up their minds.
God damn feminism is complete bullshit and its ruining perfectly good men and women, the pay gap is a fucking myth which gets lip service in the media, gender studies is fucking bullshit, and its creating women who are hateful towards men, yet still want to be taken by force in bed (rape fantasy a lot of the time).
Western culture is so fucking toxic and sick.
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awalt_cupcake 8y ago
This accurately describes a lot of opportunities I had that I thought were for-sures. Then they'd "stiff up" like this. Glossy eyed deer in the headlights kind of look. They simply expect you to just jump on them. It'd be different if she was twirling her hair, leaning into me, etc. Some kind of sign. Otherwise her look of dissonance looks uncomfortable and uninviting. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this reality because it's so rape-y.
looc22 8y ago
This is exactly why a lot of guys, including myself, have a hard time accepting it.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Men need to be aroused too.
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opening_eyes 8y ago
It is also because your dry spell was longer than hers. Thus, for a moment, she felt shame.
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
Agreed, this is a very strong likelihood...
Frigzy 8y ago
Women are so fucking easy if you think about it:
Give her no reason to feel bad feelings while keeping the good feelings flowing? -> She thinks you like her personally and will in turn like you personally.
Don't create a feel-good flow and give her reasons to feel bad (about anything)? -> She thinks you are a poor human being and targeting her personally, which makes her despise you as a person.
Men learn it the hard way that human interaction in essence is not personal, women never learn it at all.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Remember, civilian chicks are not USAF bitches. They can't fuck you up career wise unless you give them that power with a ring. I had to deal with that shit too, the programming that forces you to not sexually harass girls in green. That shit cost me lots of pussy years ago. Sometimes it still seeps into my mind after living in the military for so long, and I've been out for ten years.
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
You know, I hadn't thought of it but all the PC Bullshit I got force fed while in the Canadian military has altered my thinking. I spent five years at university, but decades in the military. Don't touch girls don't look at girls don't think of girls is pretty much internalized dogma nowadays.
Gawernator 8y ago
I wonder if you have it worse than us Americans. Hooyah
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
You know, I hadn't thought of it but all the PC Bullshit I got force fed while in the Canadian military has altered my thinking. I spent five years at university, but decades in the military. Don't touch girls don't look at girls don't think of girls is pretty much internalized dogma nowadays.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Same south of the border. Well unless the girl thinks you're hot, in that case she will come by to fuck you. If you don't want any of her stinky pink, you still might end up in trouble.
Military cunts can all fuck off.
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Even after you've just done the business with her, and she has no complaints? That's weird, but believable. It isn't enough for a woman that she likes a man. Other women have to like him for him to be truly desirable in her eyes.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Had a plate that turned LTR before TRP. She thought I had, as she said, "gotten all the bitches". I told her what number she was. I had bjs from other girls but penetration was something I was selective on.
Her behavior toward me changed dramatically. It was the beginning of our declining relationship. She'd talk to notorious players on fb. That's the man they want. Even if another man charmed their way into her pants and rocked their fucking world in bed. It's the perceived social status.
Every woman wants to be in a secret harem but not really.
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It's quite a pathetic mentality, isn't it? If I had a chance with a woman I found attractive, I wouldn't give a shit if my friends thought she was ugly, and the number of dudes she'd been with in the past wouldn't make any difference. I'd go for it.
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Women are two things: cute and retarded
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
I think it's two fold in my case. First, if I hadn't gotten laid in six months, she asks herself what's wrong with this guy, he looks hot and takes control... There must be a problem with him...
Second, because her last encounter was more recent than mine, she felt like a slut. She might have assumed I was going to judge her...
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
Those are some excellent points. However, her perceived SMV is now higher than yours. Women only fuck/date up. She feels, even if a little bit, maybe this was bad business on her part.
Steve_Wiener 8y ago
That's disgusting.
You didn't mind her talking to guys on fb while in a LTR?
awalt_cupcake 8y ago
I set my boundaries. Eventually I cut her loose and I swear on my grave I don't think this girl had ever been dumped before. Apparently I'm "controlling" and "abusive". Who knew!
aanarchist 8y ago
goes to show that actually being alpha is less important than being able to talk the talk.
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Fuck those bitches for ruining my night. I really wanted to fuck this girl, too.
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[deleted] 8y ago
No, you're right. A lot of people have gotten that kind of vibe off me, but I wasn't aware of it at the time of this incident (It was 10 years ago). Still, it would have to be one stupid murderer to kill a girl he met in a nightclub with cameras, in a city full of cameras.
spunk_wizard 8y ago
Don't blame them. Become better and next time they will spur her on.
CornyHoosier 8y ago
I've seen the period lie before.
What I did was double-down on initiating sex. I eventually warmed her up to the point she didn't care and we got down to business.
Just FYI - There is no period. A woman on her period that doesn't want to have sex will make it known you aren't getting near her.
[deleted] 8y ago
Oh, I didn't believe her for one fucking second. I knew she was influenced by that coven of cunts that she called her friends. I don't know what it was about me they didn't approve of
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She came to me, though. Admittedly, if I had to choose from that that group of girls, it would have been her, though.
tgeda2015 8y ago
And this is attractive how? I don't know if i just have a nationally low sex drive or am just repulsed by this culture.
PantsonFire1234 8y ago
Holy fuck really? You're saying a girl managed to get laid regularly? No way dude.
Should have lied about your last lay.
ClericJohnPreston 8y ago
The 6 month gap admission did make it weird but you could have easily played it off with the "I was on a military base with a bunch of wieners around..."
What do you mean "it wasn't worth my time to explain". Takes a simple statement "yeah work kept me out of dating because of the military". No explaining necessary. Yeah obviously you don't want to seem like a pussy and give all the details about how and why the military thing fucked up your dating life but still dude. When you noticed her cringe, all you had to do was give that simple statement I said and do it with a smile on your face like no big deal.
Hindsight and all of that I know. But she's coming over for more so GJ.
Planner_Hammish 8y ago
You're entering her frame with your responses.
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Welcome to the collapse, motherfucker.
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
Sadly, yes.
I'm a somewhat recent covert to Aaron Clarey's "Enjoy the Decline". It makes thinking about the impending collapse tolerable
50pluspiller 8y ago
my response to last getting laid...
"2010"
pause for her response...
"oh, I use military time. "
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Il128 8y ago
If she's not a hb9 and we don't grind nasties on the first date there is no second date. If she's a hb9 I'll give it two dates. If no sex I'm done. I get laid a few times every other week because that's what I chose to do.
Point is most women have been with dozens of men and sex Iano big deal. It's what a goodnight kiss used to be.
[deleted] 8y ago
Women in their 20s are all sluts. If they're laughing and having fun on a first date, fuck them. There's no reason to wait. When I was in my 20s, it was never a certainty to fuck on the first date even if it went fantastic. The world has changed.
SeekingTheWay 8y ago
'when was the last time you had sex?'
'twas the great summer of 1957, the birds were singing in the trees, me and my girl suzie were sitting near a lake...'-this is the time where she will interrupt you with 'oh come on :D'
[deleted] 8y ago
I have had success with giving women the player treatment. "hey baby don't worry about the other girls... when its just you and me its just you and me". Said with a big smile because I know its horseshit, and she knows its horseshit.
SeekingTheWay 8y ago
good deflection, this certainly works on some kind of girls
donkey_democrat 8y ago
Sounds good in theory but it might not sound that great in reality, probably would just lead to confusion
SeekingTheWay 8y ago
it's all about how you say it
ArkAngelEV 8y ago
summer of 69 is always my go to lol. bryans adams man... more pussy than you can handle in one lifetime
SeekingTheWay 8y ago
yeah, it occured to me too, but the goal here is to sound like an old geezer telling the story of his first love that took his virginity just before leaving somewhere, so the random non-69 year serves the purpose better.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
I was born that summer. How sad would it be if the last pussy I was in was my mother's as I was extruded from it?
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aanarchist 8y ago
make sure not to tell them. i realize personally that you should never try to give any sort of behavior advice or correction, all it does is make her bitch and it makes it harder for the next guy to realize she's just for fun.
[deleted] 8y ago
She said that they try.... not that she lets them. She has simultaneously signaled that she is attractive and has 'virtue'. You're immune to power talk, but some other guy would believe that he played his cards right, or got lucky; not that she is a slutty slut.
getbangedchatshit 8y ago
Once I phone gamed a girl. during our second phone call she called me to her place at 1 am or so. For the next 2 and a half days we fucked and of course talked. She kept telling me about her one night stands and how she swore she won't have another one.
I banged her one more time and then lost interest, as she didn't have much of a personality to hang out with. All through our fling I only called her when I wanted to talk and never picked her calls etc. I usually don't pick phone calls as they disrupt your daily life.
A few weeks later she gets a boyfriend and texts me shit like how much she liked me and how she was always looking for a LTR and now that she has one she will never be single again. I mean, why the fuck did you brag about your one night stands to me then. Not to mention the fact that before the blow job, the way she sexily spit on my cock was with precise, porn star proficiency. Clearly, she does this pretty often.
But yeah, she automatically disqualified herself right away. even with that fine ass booty.
aanarchist 8y ago
i had a woman do similar. she was an alpha widow who seemed like she was going through her last hurrah on the cc, she was more of a victim than a proud slut though, rather my visceral disgust for her talking about her loser exes made her change strategies, and i'll admit the white knight is strong in me no matter how much i try to kill him. eventually she found a beta bux a lot younger than her who made like 6 figures. looking back it's like holy shit, I kinda feel bad for the guy, he's paying for a lambo, he's getting a 1997 honda civic that's been on the used car lot more times than regulations allow.
dyllos 8y ago
She said most guys try. Is it naive to assume she's turning them down.
Fylingdale 8y ago
This is all good but there is a downside to being super successful all the time - the emotional load / blowback which comes from sowing oats can get a bit tiresome, and if you are a normal human being with emotions, it's q tough to see girls fall for you and tag along like some kind of puppy and then get slowly disabused of the idea that they were more than a momentary thing.
Don't forget these are people too. Breaks my heart to see someone get all excited about something inherently false/short term. So I now try to choose much more carefully as playing in God mode all the time eventually becomes tiresome. TRP is not just about slaying chicks - it's about becoming a better guy and I think the best posts here are more about being a great successful man than being just a PUA++. My two cents.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
Do they give a fuck about you?
No. You're a wallet, a walking ATM, they don't want you for you they want what you have.
Sure they're people, but they don't see you that way.
gonorealover 8y ago
Yes it is . Stop trying to change definitions and twist concepts just like feminists do with words like "rape" . TRP is about getting in beds with girls . Period.
aanarchist 8y ago
trp is about being just as good at hamstering as women, so that you can get your way more often.
Fylingdale 8y ago
Go read a bit about raised SMV and have a little think about what all the signals are supposed to tell a woman about you and the underlying reality they are supposed to project. You may notice that they are the telltale signs of a guy who has his shit together.
And how awesome is it if, instead of pretending to have your shit together just to pull some ass, you actually do have your shit together - the ass comes along with all the other benefits.
You've missed the point, kid.
kainvictus 8y ago
Ignore the children flyingdale- they are still bitter.
Finucho 8y ago
Dude, no IOIs? Taking you to her place is enough IOI. The escalation is your responsibility.
Ricardo2991 8y ago
This. She took you home OP.
memphisjohn 8y ago
...and inviting you to a ski chalet... helloooo that's classic Disney fantasy stuff
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shacking up in a private ski chalet is definitely on my bucket list
Frigzy 8y ago
I just visualised some sort of magical TRP mentor in Tiroler outfit shouting "helloooo.. Disney fantasty!" with an Austrian accent as a wake up call to the OP. Echo galore of course.
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
You are absolutely right.I need to become less obtuse.
koox0018 8y ago
LOL. Grats.
Btw, what is your opinion of speed dating? Obvious it worked for you. Got any keys things that worked particularly well?
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
Wasn't bad. I make a better impression in person than I do online, because I'm well spoken and dynamic in my body language. I have a link in the original post up top to my experience speed dating
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You underestimated yourself. A confident guy would think "She's taking me to a cabin in the woods because she wants the D."
Based on your original post about how she met you at a speed dating event where you stood out from the crowd, she may have assumed you were a player and was disappointed to find out that you weren't.
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She ain't going to be alone with someone out in the woods that she's not into. It's confirmation of your status in her eyes.
aanarchist 8y ago
isn't it sad how she became uncomfortable at the notion that she just had sex with someone that wasn't a player.
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
No shit. She even knew that I was on a military base in the fucking desert for half the last year, but couldn't put two and two together. I didn't want to further erode my frame by trying to explain, it wasn't worth it.
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aanarchist 8y ago
that's smart but at the same time it's like, i'm not a woman and don't enjoy hamstering everything in my life and putting a spin on everything. A normal healthy man just says, yea it's been 6 months, deployment is a bitch. nothing is more boner killing than watching a woman's hamster run in real time, like she's a fucking animal with no conscious thought or awareness.
aanarchist 8y ago
bro, a real alpha would have done those arab refugee chicks raw while on duty. everyone knows foreign girls love the american muscle, so if you didn't get any while on tour, you are obviously the most beta of betas.
on second thought, it's kinda amusing how she didn't like the thought that maybe she wasn't a pump and dump. I wonder if that's how the feminist single mothers are raising their daughters with that strong independent crap. I guess it would make sense in that case for them to behave like pump and dumps and anything beyond that is outside their sphere of thought, it's just how they were raised, and the curse of having a vagina and a pretty face dictates that she won't be self aware enough to take a look around and see that maybe there's a better way to go about things. it's really fucking scary personally when i talk to some women and it just feels like there's nothing there. there's a personality and all that shit, but the ability to stop and think for a moment is just not there and will never be there. it's like she's literally just an animal going on auto pilot. there's a lot of men who live that way too and if there is a god, i should be thanking him every day for the gift of self awareness. ignorance is bliss sure, but i sure as hell don't want their "bliss", not in a million years.
RPmatrix 8y ago
the fuck?
Bring on your FR's before you go spouting shit on others, sunshine
aanarchist 8y ago
it was a sarcasm, calm down before you amog me.
RPmatrix 8y ago
ah, then sorry bro, I'm happy to hear that.
I was a bit puzzled as you made a couple of good comments elsewhere ITT but I didn't realize it was the same guy at first.
And sarcasm is difficult to convey in text and IMHO is probably best left to other subs.
thanks for letting me know
aanarchist 8y ago
All good b. I forgot the /s at the end i figured it was so obvious.
RPmatrix 8y ago
no probs bro, I'm an idiot :D
LazyMagus 8y ago
Do you mean you were able to keep penis to vagina contact for 90 minutes without busting your seed? And I guess more experience is the only way you get good at it, or do you learn some special stuff?
Planner_Hammish 8y ago
Change the way you masturbate. Most of the time guys condition themselves to bust quickly. Stop doing that. When you're watching porn, go slower, focus on edging, start and stop often (i.e. if you're feeling close). Train yourself to not bust so quick.
LazyMagus 8y ago
Well, so the lack of privacy, I am mostly forced to use my imagination instead of porn. Which is good.
But even then, it requires self control to hold back as I reach the edge instead of going over. Thanks for the reminder.
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ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
^ good response from sprouu.
Some other suggestions:
If you're prone to busting too soon, jack it before your date. Don't go out with a loaded gun. I've never had that problem myself, but this is just conventional wisdom.
Another would be pause if you're about to come. Change her positioning, do something else with your fingers or mouth - then when you're back in control, start again.
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Squats and deads help me last. I've I'm expecting to get laid I will make sure I hit legs. But if I hit it to hard I loose the erection in a condom.
_the_shape_ 8y ago
Despite the constant pressure from outside (i.e. peers, society, media) that "we (women) can do it!", every woman wants to feel like daddy's little girl again - not necessarily be her, but feel like her again - the carelessness, the fun, the laughter, the playfulness, the lack of seriousness, the desire to please, the absence of stress that comes with responsibility. Keep in mind that you too have been 'trained' to treat them as equals, perhaps even as a superior. TRP is as much about unlearning as it is about learning.
Forget trying to pin this and that girl as a "gen X-er", "gen Y-yer", "millenial" etc. From now on, look only for "daddy's little girl" in any and every woman. When you provide a woman with a straightforward, confessional response like the one that you did ("six months prior [to my having sex]"), you are submitting to how society has instructed you to conduct yourself with women ("be honest with her", "open up to her") and not how a loving Father would treat his daughter, in a playfully dismissive fashion ("When did I last have sex? '46? '47? I can't remember - it was a little after World War 9. Anyway, let's go get some ice cream, you little brat detective you") . Of course, I am not advising you to lie and twist and manipulate each and every one of responses to any one of her questions. All you really must do is bring yourself to see her as a woman yearning to feel like a little girl again.
Tl;dr - the main takeaway here is that you need to learn how to reframe to your advantage - always. Repeat this until you know no other way.
akolyteofthecentury 8y ago
Exactly what i thought yet couldnt find the words for.
After a bit of monk mode i got myself a plate that grew up in a stable family. Daddy is a bit stern as she tells me, but i can see the same twinkle in her eyes as can be observed when playing with my 4 y.o niece.
aanarchist 8y ago
actually he's just being his normal self, you know, someone who doesn't lie and spin stories to make himself sound better at every turn. oh yea women don't like that, nvm. i don't think most of us want to be some brat's father. i tried the whole be her daddy thing and it's just not fun at all, she's not worth it. i can't have a conversation with her that doesn't involve me mocking her in some way because she has no self awareness whatsoever.
skeletonized 8y ago
Daddy's Little Girl just manifested in my modern life, and I thought it was fucked up. A plate I had would watch Disney channel shows on my Netflix after coming home from her restaurant shift. I generally watch Boondock Saints, Collateral, In Bruges (shit with hitmen). I scrolled down the recommendations one morning and found Netflix's algorithms had curated a list for me called "Daddy-Daughter Movies" It stopped me in my tracks, but makes a lot of sense in your context.
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
I need to flush the brain washing I got in university through the 90s. You are right about that.
R_Hakurei 8y ago
Seconding this, or maybe saying "Oh just before military camp" could've done it in my opinion.
UrsusG 8y ago
Come on, guy... Getting a cabin in the woods is as obvious as it gets.
I too am in my early forties so it's not a generation thing.
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
fair point, you are absolutely right. Not an excuse but there are reasons why I missed that clue.
First, in most of my experience women didn't fuck on the second date, so it was a foreign concept to me. I was used to feminist chicks who went to Canadian universities in the 90s, and I need to realize there is a generational shift here. Second, I was a beta for over two decades. Betas don't get fucked on the second date, they have to "earn" it. I'm far more alpha in appearance than I was in the past, and I have to remember women will treat me and perceive be differently.
Rasalom72 8y ago
Unless she's taking you out there expecting you to be murdered. And that would happen just as you are having sex with her.
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VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
When a girl asks me this, I usually ask, "What time is it?" which usually results in giggles.
Women never understand the concept of a dry spell, b/c they can give the pussy away every night.
helicopter_kin 8y ago
The girl I'm currently with said "you seem like you've done this a lot of times" in a flirtatious but accusatory tone as I laid her down on my bed.
I chuckled and said "not answering that one". Not the best answer but she thought it was hot that I didn't deny and seemed really into it. In my blue pill days I would have been honest, told her it's been over 6 months, and watched that pussy dry up
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
A: "You'll be glad I have"
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ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
Nice. That response is brilliant.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
You're welcome. Another way to handle it is to say that you're "selective" about who you bang.
Or you can go balls out; I have plates and potential plates that badger me about where/in who I'm parking my cock, to whom I say, "I see other girls everywhere. And I'm good at talking to them. Don't worry about other girls, worry about keeping me happy."
If it's a girl I am tapping on the regular, I point out that, "If my dick is in your mouth or your pussy, then it can't be in some other girl, so don't worry about who else I might be fucking, worry about keeping me happy."
[deleted] 8y ago
Dry spell = creeper dude. If no one else wants you neither does she. I'd never admit being in a dry spell. What's the point? She's not your buddy so who cares.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
This. The thing that is most likely to make a woman want you is that other women want you. Preselection, in action.
FLFTW16 8y ago
Never thought of it that way. Women can literally never have a dry spell because their very sexual organ gets wet to function. If she is horny she can have sex. Only men experience dry spells.
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I don't think he meant LITERALLY dry. Just that women can't envision the idea of a dry spell (wrong, they can) because they can so easily get sex if they desire. Women CAN get a dry spell. Maybe they have some psychological problem that prevents them from getting close to a guy, I don't know. What they can't do is envision a MAN'S dry spell because solipsism.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
They might not find a man who is "high value enough" for her own artificially exaggerated self assessed value, but finding a man willing to fuck them is as easy as seeing a man walking, standing, or driving. She can't find one good enough for her, in her mind.
Girls who rasily take on the guys who are OK to fuck but have no value for a relationship can't get relationships. They want commitment and resources and are willing to pay for it with sex, we want sex, but most guys give away the commitment and resources without getting the sex. Those guys are easy to find, but she doesn't want then for anything but can and prizes.
HumanSockPuppet 8y ago
Women have a relationship dry spell - a period where she goes a long time without a quality committed partner.
It says the same thing about her relationship worthiness that a sexual dry spell says about a man's sexual worthiness.
FLFTW16 8y ago
True, with a small difference. Firstly, any woman can still get a beta's commitment. So they never really have a dry spell, they always have options and white knights that will sacrifice themselves for them. Even landwhales have suitors.
Secondly, women are fed constant validation by magazines, websites, movies, editorials, friends and family about how empowered and special they are for being single and not settling for just any man, and how she should wait til she finds a REAL MAN that can put up with her and all the rest.
A man in a dry spell is a fucking failure, and no one thinks or says otherwise. If you use fleshlight or a sex doll or porn, you are a creep. Use a prostitute and you are a scumbag. Give up on women and maybe he's gay. For guys that totally GTOW and pursue an asexual lifestyle there will be whispers or The Conversation behind his back about whether he might have a thing for little kids.
Women are naturally suspicious of men and wield this in a vicious way when it might benefit them (in the workplace).
HumanSockPuppet 8y ago
That's why I said "quality committed partner".
A woman gains no esteem from making a boyfriend out of the mealy-mouthed loser with the huge Magic: The Gathering collection.
By contrast, she'll be the talk of her social group if she shows up to dinner with a high-powered businessman, local leader, or winning athlete on her arm.
Women who are not in relationships with quality men are also failures.
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
I love reading EC's and Vanguards have a constructive dialog on these issues. It's quite illuminating. Thanks.
On the subject of relationship dry spell: This girl is definitely in one right now. She may yet try to sink her claws into me for an LTR, but I expect it will take a while to come up.
ItIsMyPrivilege 8y ago
I've been surprised, after taking trip, how easy first date sex has been. I'm not sure how many lie, maybe I actually run good game, but I've been able to have sex on the first date the last three in a row. Just light escalation and I've gotten it by the end.
The main thing I've done is made the date fun, like I'm naturally sarcastic/witty and I just do that while slowly escalating. By the end of the night they usually indicate they dont sleep on the first fate much, they had more fun with me than expected, etc. Might be BS, might be true, either way getting cute girls to come home via boldness and escalation
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
"Plating is the new Dating."
...in the old days people Dated many people then if they felt one was a good choice you went ahead and moved towards a LTR and stopped all Dates.
In the present age you Plate instantly and continue to Plate until such time that you decide to move towards a LTR and then stop all Plates.
The difference:
Instant sexual gratification.
The psychological cost:
Years of the Cock Carouselâ„¢ damage women and give them the "thousand cock stare".
Women love access but when in abundance they rot internally.
The Cock Carouselâ„¢ is like a cocaine binge... they love it, but it destroys them.
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OmegaMan2 8y ago
"She laments that the guys her age only last a few minutes (we had a 90 minute fuck session) and don't know how to fuck her properly."
I rest my case. The young men of today don't know how to fuck.
For you young men on this site, I can only say:
LEARN HOW TO FUCK!!!!!
Learn how to give her a mind blowing orgasm.
Got a copy of "Joy of Sex" or any of the guides on the subject.
Read the guide from cover to cover.
PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT!
You have no excuse.
DforDeadpool 8y ago
Yep, learning how to fuck is crucial.
ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
It's possible she was flattering me, but I actually think that she has was used to short sexual encounters... She didn't leave much time at the cabin the week prior for example.
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ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
I suspect you're on to something. I go out of my way to make sure women enjoy themselves, every time.
aanarchist 8y ago
it's not hard, it just comes down to do you pay attention or not. it's not so much they don't know how to fuck as they don't care enough beyond getting their nut, which is frankly exactly right on their part.
[deleted] 8y ago
Come one meow. Getting in and getting out, having the sole purpose of bustin a nut is not the right way to go about these encounters. I assume you're praising the idgaf attitude, but that attitude will be noticed and the attitude will reflect upon her decision to make the encounter a repeat or no. No they shouldn't make it all about her, nor should they make it all about them either.
aanarchist 8y ago
cmon broman you know better than that.
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If you have a point make it. All I'm hearing from you is busting a nut should be the primary focus of sex, that sex should not be had for the enjoyment of having sex, but is about reaching an end. If that is the case the sex you have been having is boring, shortsighted and lame.
aanarchist 8y ago
nah man i agree with you completely, i'm just saying it doesn't matter if you suck as long as her tingles are triggered. I'm all about the sensual experience but it's not a requirement for her, and she'll keep coming back for more as long as you keep her gamed. you're right though it's been lackluster, boring shortsighted and lame, western women in a nutshell.
^_^ by the way bro, your amog is showing
RancidTurnip 8y ago
I call bullshit, she's just stroking OP's ego to manipulate him into a relationship.
j4c0p 8y ago
same as : "you are the biggest"
UrsusG 8y ago
After one of our first fucks, a 43 y.o. woman started giving me the "I've never felt like this before" / "No man has ever touched me like you do" / "You're different than other men" bullshit.
I gave her my best "seriously?" look and she shut up and never mentioned it again.
For a fleeting moment there I felt intellectually offended by her patronizing attempt to manipulate me with bullshit that maybe would have worked 25 years and a hundred cocks ago, but then I remembered they never ever change.
Moral of the story: the bullshit doesn't stop with age.
Nicolay77 8y ago
'Like a virgin', bitches know that song
Il128 8y ago
I'm 50 and I can confirm this. It's just one of the ways women manipulate men. It's all bullshit. At my age and the ages of the women I'm with most of the time, I'm fully aware that I'm just one of hundreds of cocks she's rode. It's nothing special.
MEANMUTHAFUKA 8y ago
Lol - so true brother. I've heard that shit so many times too (early 40's). My favorite is "I feel like I'm a virgin again with you!" The last time I heard that, I laughed out loud. I didn't mean too - I was so not trying to be a dick. I usually just ignore that nonsense or say something noncommittal but this time I just couldn't help myself. It was hilarious because she'd ridden the CC HARD and was anything but virginal. Looking back it was very comical. I wonder how many chumps she's used that line on.
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I've had 3 chicks say my dick tastes like candy. It must be the new compliment.
NikolaTeslaMGTOW 8y ago
There's only one way to be sure.
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ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
I'm learning that lesson now. Sort of unfortunate, really, it disqualifies a lot of the women I meet through existing social connections.
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You messed up by taking about your business. When she starts with all that shit it's time to go or tell her you're not into sharing your feelings. Her opinion is irrelevant anyway.
Screenp2 8y ago
in my 40's and I ain't got time for the under 35 crowd of slots. Total train wreck these days. Even the 50's are forward as heck and if my junk isn't grabbed before we get to the car for the obligatory BJ.. next.
Own your 40's bro, be confident and take no shit. the field is covered with broken slots and you basically have your pick and choose
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antariusz 8y ago
A couple days ago I had an 18 year old plate (f-Ed once before) ask me when I had last had sex. I told her I had sex with my girlfriend today. She said "oh, then I guess we won't be having sex". I said, "what makes you think that? I'm ready to go again 3 more times. I'm 33, not 60. "
I went four more times. Over the span of a 2 hour fuckfest.
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ChairBorneMGTOW 8y ago
Fuck all of us? Damn sweetie, that's pretty kink. I'm down. Pm me your digits and I'll arrange for a platoon of red pill infantry troops to run a train for you.
EpicLevelCheater 8y ago
Allow me to show you to the door m'lady.