Hi everyone, I’ve been studying this community for over a year now, and it completely transformed my life. As a younger guy, I hope that what I post on here will be relatable to the younger guys starting their journey, like I was not too long ago. Let’s get into it.
A few years ago, back in high school, I remember improving my game and seeing better results.
I went from being infatuated with a girl after one date in grade 11, to having 3 plates at once in grade 12, having no attachment. From not ever hooking up with a girl, to hooking up with more girls in a year than I’d ever imagined. Keep in mind, this was back before my red pill awakening - I happened to finally absorb enough PUA material to emulate the behaviours of high value males. Of course, I was not close to becoming a truly high value male yet, because I was going down the wrong path to achieve it.
After many RSD & Todd Valentine & Youtube pick up videos, I became quite talented with my words. I also learned the right tactics to make a girl interested. I essentially learned how to game women, for the most part. I did things such as push and pull, created the perception of a 24/7 party life on social media, and used my above-average looks to get results. But, underneath all of it was a permeating lust for female validation and attention, and I was too blind to see it. There have been many instances in grade 12 where my “bad boy” facade crumbled and I could not understand why girls were reacting negatively.
I rarely initiated conversations with girls in real life. I relied on social media to make it easy for me. I did not push and pull because of great abundance with girls, either. And I did not create a cool Instagram feed just to share my cool life with others. I did it all because I was looking for something from others. The premise of sex from a pretty girl, the attention and validation of guys and girls on Instagram, etc. I was not grounded in my identity, and my actions certainly weren’t motivated from within.
I did not do it out of amusement and aloofness, I was simply seeking social approval and status. I wanted to feel high value, yet I certainly wasn’t it.
The Red Pill teaches us to pursue our goals in life and crush them. It teaches us how to build a life consciously grounded in reality, and a life motivated by the inner self. It also teaches us to disregard external factors and circumstances, and focus on becoming the best version of ourselves that we can be. Through this amazing community and the concepts it presents, we eventually learn to be unapologetically selfish - and everyone in your life will benefit from it. Girls will want to spend time with you, your friends will look up to you, and your family will be proud of you. Being a high value male, not an imitation, is infinitely great.
The Red Pill teaches us to become high value males, and as a result, we become people of high value.
There’s no more need to learn lines. There’s no need to know how much time to wait before texting back a girl (cringe), or if your picture is “cool” enough for the gram. You don’t need to learn what to talk about with a girl, either. And you don’t need to learn how to keep your girl interested, or how to get your ex back.
Somehow, all these problems disappear when you become the real deal ™. Honestly, this sounds too good to be true. But this is one of the rarities in life, where what it promises is what it delivers.
I was successful in the regard that I was an outgoing extrovert who knew people, but underneath, I had many beta tendencies and behaviours.
This is actually the flaw and weakness of PUA - it’s only a means of emulating, not becoming, a high value male. I still have a long way to go, but I’ve noticed a massive personal transformation in my attitudes and views. I no longer seek validation from females.
Finally, I’m fully in control.
Be conscious of your behaviour and recognize if you are truly acting out the person you are within. This is one of the key differences between beta and high value (alpha) males.
Game creates the perception of a high value male. Becoming red pilled makes you one.
Take care everyone. Until next time.
EdmondDaunts 5y ago
A better way to look at Game is to think about the Kolb learning cycle. It starts as Active Experimentation and then moves through the cycle reinforcing until you improvise and add to it yourself. Game never goes away. It just becomes more subtle. However it WILL go away if you stop practicing it.
It is always the same entry point though which is one reason why it is resisted by many. Not everyone starts their learing cycle actively.
huehuehurr 5y ago
I had a similar epiphany some time ago. My teenage years were filled with me being a skinny, awkward, stuttering mess and I obviously didn't like being that way. I never stumbled upon TRP at that time, but I did find out about "not giving a fuck" and the seduction subreddit which teaches you how to emulate alpha/high-value behaviors, as you said.
It worked pretty well for me since I could talk to women better. I started to internalize the "don't give a fuck, see what happens" attitude and I was reading a bunch of seduction posts, so I was coming off as an above average teenager. But deep down, I knew I didn't actually have the confidence to back any of it up. It was like I was a house of cards.
I had a good run but then I got into two one-year LTR's and the whole new personality I was starting to build for myself fell apart. I lost sight of it and bought into the good old "just be yourself" attitude.
So around 2-3 years pass and I'm back to square one and I realize that the "fake it till you make it" saying is horseshit, or at least that it doesn't work for me. I hated thinking about each word I was going to say in a conversation to try and come off as a confident dude. I wanted to actually be confident. I wanted to be composed and calm and truly not give a fuck, not tell myself each time "hey, remember, you shouldn't give a fuck about this".
Then I figured that the only way to achieve this was to get my shit together. Pay attention in college, start doing some extra-curriculuar work, exercise and pick up a hobby. Up until then the only thing I did was half-ass my college assignments and play video-games. That's not a personality nor an interesting life. You can't have a shit work ethic and no interests outside of video-games and then just put up an alpha-male facade. People see right through it, and more importantly, YOU see right through your bullshit. You will undoubtedly give a fuck about too many trivial things if you don't have anything meaningful to do with yourself.
You should first work on yourself and the confidence and composure will come as a consequence. When you know that your core is solid and that you have interests you're good at, you won't fold as easily and it's much harder to fall back to your past lifestyle.
unn4med 5y ago
I could relate to so much of what you just said. The house of cards, a crubmling facade, not having your shit together and eventually starting to work on yourself.
Used to excessively play video games as well and didn’t have a life outside of them.
Thank you for sharing your experience, I really enjoyed reading it.
huehuehurr 5y ago
Right back at you, man, it was good seeing someone else shared a similar experience to mine.
zav25 5y ago
Great post. This is the pure definition of what red pill means. Thanks for reminding me this bro.
278209AR948Q 5y ago
Being self aware is a step forward towards enlightenment.
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I'm going to be the devil's advocate and say that guys need to try shortcuts first. Guys need to fail and fail many times.
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You need to try everything possible. You need to fake it before you make it.
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Why all of this?
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Experience.
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Everything above creates experience. Everything creates fun stories. Everything creates self awareness. Take every concept of TRP and test it yourself.
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Add variations, turn it inside and out. The time to fail is now. Only that way you will gain true understanding of the concepts talked about here and you will become the real deal.
unn4med 5y ago
Interesting perspective.
I can confirm, from a business standpoint, that failing over and over will eventually lead you to consistent results, since you know exactly what works and what doesn’t.
I suppose that guys that failed with women (me in the past), and are now seeing more success, can more accurately tell what is landing them that success, compared to naturals who have always been good with women.
Failing is a roadmap to success.. I am glad to have comments like yours to expand my understanding of TRP. Thank you.
I also agree with your comment about self awareness, it is extremely important and it grows over time with experience.
278209AR948Q 5y ago
The ones that get bitter and choose other paths (incels, MGTOW, etc) are those who:
Didn't try enough.
This led to them rejecting all the knowledge here and going back to their old self.
We all need some small successes along the path to keep going, that is why it is good to set small and many goals. This creates a positive feedback and a constant, trackable progression.
There is no such thing as naturals. All the ones I know who would qualify in that description were fucked over very hard in their youth and had an enlightenment via other resources.
We were all losers at some point. Self made millionaires were. Successful people were.
Only when you are hungry you find out every possible way to hunt. Ain't nobody leaving the sofa with a full stomach.
Edit: grammar.
nebder 5y ago
I suggest you extend this thinking to the next step.
It’s not (implied fake) game vs high value. Its external validation vs internal validation. External validation will always be appreciated and desired. If that’s your only source of validation then that’s when you get needy/unattractive and all the other bad things we advise to avoid. When you have a foundation of internal validation, any external validation becomes icing on the cake or just a nice little bonus to your day.
You studied pua game and used it to get external validation in the form of banging chicks etc. With enough external validation, you gain internal validation. That makes the external validation much less critical. That’s the switch-flip where you start thinking you know what I’m awesome no matter if this chick bangs me tonite or not. That’s what the end game is: just be your (high value) self that actually values your own self.
olimpicus 5y ago
Holy shit, reading this at a hard time it pumped me up!
unn4med 5y ago
Love it!! Thank you for this.
redpillcad 5y ago
TRP was founded by men studying seduction and game. Take what you want from that true statement
unn4med 5y ago
Just to clarify to everyone, I am not talking down on game.
I am only condemning the use of game to portray yourself in a non-congruent, far-fetched manner.
redpillcad 5y ago
If a man is truly redpilled than what do you think he makes of your condemnation?
unn4med 5y ago
Haha, of course. He wouldn’t mind my opinion.
But anybody open minded should consider what anyone says with sufficient proof.
mortalcoil1 5y ago
I agree with you for the most part. However, I have two issues.
Basically, all I am saying is that there are plenty of high value men who are shy and/or never learned how to talk to women. TRP can't fix everything. This is where PUA can really shine, by teaching a male who is already high value how to talk to women. While some people do use PUA skills to create a false perception, some people just need to be less introverted.
So basically, I agree with you. Don't fake it. Make it. However, it is still important to learn skills like how to talk to women and how to show your value on the internet.
Unless, of course, you are lucky enough to be a 6'6" adonis with perfect bone structure, or are a world famous rock star/movie star, then yeah everything you said is completely accurate, but since most of us aren't 6'6"'s with perfect bone structure rock stars we will still need to put in work to not only improve ourselves, but also improve our ability to display ourselves to the world.
Feelinggood702 5y ago
I don’t understand. How do you become high-value without knowing how to talk to women? I mean, doesn’t being high-value imply a high level of social skill? Being high-value isn’t just some la-la-land idea you’ve come up with in your head that doesn’t come without its merits, social savviness being one of them. Being high-value and knowing how to talk to women are not mutually exclusive.
mortalcoil1 5y ago
There are plenty of wealthy, powerful men without game, and there are plenty of extremely good looking men without game as well. There are many ways to achieve high-value without being good at talking to women. There are more important values in this world than being able to talk to women. However, being able to talk to women is a good skill to learn for a well rounded man.
Pick2 5y ago
Where can I learn more about this? I didn't know the game has evolved.
mortalcoil1 5y ago
Are you not familiar at all with the PUA community?
Pick2 5y ago
No I am just getting in. I realized that people have lied to me about women for years.
imtheoneimmortal 5y ago
Actually rockstars are just people who mastered guitar/piano/singing
They have many many bad habits
mortalcoil1 5y ago
My final paragraph was specifically focusing on people who don't need any game whatsoever to pick up women. In fact, a rock star could have negative game and still pick up women, as made famous by Motley Crew's "Spaghetti incident." While the post was about the importance of focusing on yourself rather than PUA tactics, my point was that high value males still need to have some basic skill at talking to women.
Besides that. I'm not sure what you are getting at. Everybody has some bad habits.
imtheoneimmortal 5y ago
I agree, many rockstars got terrible game but still got womens cuz of status probably
Everybody has bad habits it's pretty normal
Sciptr 5y ago
Status... Have you read the side bar??
unn4med 5y ago
When I was writing this post, I should have clarified that when I mean “game”, I do not mean simply talking to women.
I mean overdoing it by putting on a facade and being incongruent with your inner self, something that many PUA coaches teach.
From the many RSD videos I’ve watched (though they’re changing now, I know), I’ve noticed that they never talk about how to become what they say a guy should be. For such a big self improvement community, this is really odd.
For example, Julian tells a student in a boot camp something along the likes of, “you have to not care. Walk in the room and act like it’s not a big deal”. How is a newbie who isn’t successful with women supposed to derive meaning from this?
They really concentrate on how the end game should be for men, yet they don’t give men the powerful, inner transformation roadmap they need to arrive at the end game. And most importantly, they don’t emphasize enough that game should be congruent with who you are. Of course, you can’t be congruent if you’re improving yourself to something greater, but the point is to not force anything too much or be gimmicky about it. No lines, conversation tactics, stuff like that.
Thank you for expanding on “game” and real game, like in the old days.
mortalcoil1 5y ago
Exactly. I don't frequent TRP much these days for a multitude of reasons that I won't go into here, but I'm not sure how the current TRP community views the PUA community, but personally, I believe the PUA community has gone way down hill, and part of that is because small communities almost always get more and more extreme. Whether it's a small video game community, online community, or an activity club in real life, I see a constant pattern of people trying to top each other, ideas getting more rigid, and outsiders being further frowned upon. Unfortunately, this also tends to happen in male dominated spaces, for a variety of reasons, but the simplest being that males are naturally competitive. The modern PUA community is a lot different than what it was 10 years ago, and from the admittedly small amount I have seen, it seems to favor quick results and outright lying. I will admit PUA has always partially been about quick results. This is due to the nature of 1-2 day conferences that PUA's tend to engage in. Obviously a man won't be able to actually go from zero to hero in 2 four hour lectures, but if you can teach them how to lie enough to bang a woman, then you can make some money, of course this attracts a certain type of individual to the PUA community, who then starts teaching his own courses, which are more extreme, and the cycle continues.
PUA also caters to lonely men with money to blow on how to pick up women seminars. This caters to nerds. I am a nerd, and we like mechanical things and dislike dealing with a females emotions. So PUA's cater to that by breaking picking up women into a mechanical thing. While this might work sometimes, you and I know that you can't truly break meeting and picking up women into some C+ basic code of if-then sequences. Not to mention a lot of these men actually are looking for LTR's and not just quick bangs, and while they might be taught enough to lie their way to a score on occasion, they still be unequipped to handle a female for any longer period of time.
Anyway, this is going on too long. We seem to be on the same page about modern PUA tactics and why they are incongruent with actual TRP behavior modification.
Tripletag 5y ago
I think the PUA community has one of the same problems you see from time to time in TRP, namely that because a lot of insecure nerds who have borderline aspergers are drawn to it, all that happens is mental masturbation and a glorification of rationality and stoicism. These are those that are drawn to the discussion but end up conflating having the discussion with having the lifestyle, because they think engaging with the community is enough to be redpilled.
I'm not shitting on these guys. I was one of those guys, and am still, to some degree. Rationality is the way us men are hardwired, so its hard to get over that hurdle to let go of your rational faculties in order to be succesful with women. To realize and accept that in order for people to connect with you, being a brick wall of stone-cold logic is going to accomplish nothing but bore everyone to sleep and not invite you to their nights out. There are no cheat chodes or sequence of pick-up lines that will get you balls-deep in her pussy, the world is not a hentai dating sim.
I do sometimes feel there could be more attention in this community towards the importance of emotion when it comes to game, but also to life. I really took the next step in my TRP journey when I became better at making my actions more congruent with my feelings. It sounds really easy to be capable of knowing what you feel at any given time, but I know that for me it isn't and I suspect many of us have this problem.
I realize this talk of emotions might rub a lot in this community the wrong way, but this is where the TRP toolbox has led me after many ups, downs and periods of nihilistic cynicism. I'm slowly becoming a man who is less afraid of what he feels and is therefore capable of handling what he feels in a more masculine way which is, quite frankly, better for everyone in my environment.
neltcria 5y ago
I also feel that I am missing the "how to" of feelings and being able to appeal emotionally to women and in a social setting in general. I took this to mean that I need to get out more. There is this element of letting loose and having fun that I feel is best accomplished with practice. I'm not sure that there is a way to learn that through just theory. Perhaps mind-expanding drugs are another way to accomplish this, and perhaps not all knowledge can be gained through reading.
unn4med 5y ago
Really well said. You summarized my thoughts exactly.
ahab_dies 5y ago
This is why I could never sit well with PUAs. They're just conmen and it's all about learning tricks to get laid. To me it's a very dishonest and seedy way to live.
TRP is about self improvement, about becoming a man that doesn't need tricks.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
I'm not anti-PUA, but I agree with the OP and you in the fact that its just a smokescreen/facade.
PUA is trying to reap the benefits of being a red pilled man without putting in the work. The problem is that its hollow and has no substance behind it. Which means it can lead to a lot of one night stands and maybe some plates, but all will be short lived and will never last because eventually the women will see that you have no substance. It's like a heroin addict always trying to get his next fix, it will lead to nothing but short term, unfulfilling highs.
I love running into PUAs when I am out. As a red pilled man they should be easy to spot, most of them just try way too hard and you can pick up on their gimmicks.
max_peenor 5y ago
Everyone has to start somewhere. I don't know anyone that had a full epiphany and became strongly red pill aware. A lot of our flock comes from the PUA community simply because the community actually existed for a while. While doing their PUA thing they started noticing patterns and decided to dig deeper. A lot of PUA guys never dig deeper, either because they gave up or they were pleased enough just to get their dick wet from time to time.
Others start when they hit rock bottom. Some start when they look back on their life and try to find a way to explain all the good, the bad and outright weirdness (me). A few are just psychopaths and behave in a way they quickly reveals the truth, leaving a trail of wreckage far and wide. None of these modes have ever had a community to share ideas, so you didn't see TRP born from them.
KeffirLime 5y ago
Learning how to effectively engage with women can only help you.
If it's all you've got, then sure, you'll be found out soon enough but if used as just another tool in your arsenal, it can only aid your success.
No amount of self-improvement is going to help you if you're falling over your words the moment you talk to a women.
xcrazytx 5y ago
True. It's just good ammo to have and know these "tricks" along with self improving and such. A lot of the PUA stuff just exposes the psychology of women and what they find attractive
ahab_dies 5y ago
Yes, true. Perhaps I should clarify that the PUAs I'm talking about are the ones who will happily lie, deceive, trick, and be 100% false just to have a one night stand and practice the art of doing that.
KeffirLime 5y ago
Although not ideal, I wouldn't necessarily take issue with it either.
It's a skill they've learnt, that beds them women, I give them props for that.
All it takes for the women to combat it is to not spread her legs the night she meets someone. If she falls for it, they deserve each other.
ahab_dies 5y ago
Oh I'm not white knigting the women. I don't care what they do with their dumb whores. I'm just saying it's not for me.
p3n1x 5y ago
TRP IS about getting laid.
TRP has many potentially positive side effects.
You may not like certain tactics , that it is your opinion. But remember, we are all con-men. Everyone lies! Conciet is weak, so is diminishing somebody else's victory because you think your way to the top of the mountain is better. It is nothing but veiled envy with a dash of moral gatekeeping.
unn4med 5y ago
How are we con men when we are congruent with who we are, VS the people we pretend to be in PUA?
p3n1x 5y ago
Con-men are in harmony with themselves also. Pretending means you are simply being fake, many cons aren't "pretending", the two are not the same thing. The positive side effects you may have gained through experience does not absolve that you are simply a more highly functioning Con. Now you are wiser, more focused on pushing your agenda (some of us already own the t-shirt you wrote about above).
TRP is like any other philosophy, many people "understand" and go through the "oooh" and "ahhhh" phase and like to tell others how fucking smart they are and how they have unlocked the secrets to the universe. Then you simply age, have experiences and get bored with them (you learned how to eat steak every day). Just like you were bored / unhappy with the person you were pre-PUA. So you dig deeper, good, it helps you to pass on the philosophy. But, remember, there is no fucking pot of gold because there is no end to the rainbow.
There is the person you 'think' you are and then there is the person people perceive. Perfect alignment stands right there with Unicorns. The "less-better things" in this universe are necessary for "congruency". Who is to say which way is better?
Would any of you have the ability to say Hugh Hefner did it wrong? Everything he did was to get more pussy, have bigger parties, enjoy orgies and do it over and over and over again.
unn4med 5y ago
Very interesting perspective. Definitely did not consider that con men are congruent to themselves, instead of just pretending.
I like that you have a very different perspective from the rest of the comments here.
Always fascinates me to see the vast the range of opinions on here. Though I will have to say, I am sure many of us will not agree that they are acting as “cons”- what do you consider a con?
p3n1x 5y ago
This emphasizes what I said.
I never debated the definition of a con. Deception is deception, even if being used for a "positive" outcome. Women, is the best answer to your question. Why? Because it is their nature.
Your primary and secondary biological objectives are to survive and to put your seed into an egg.
Rags to riches in life isn't a fairytale. The con, are the many fake maps being sold to you on how to get there.
The side effects of TRP philosophy helps men be better navigators. Con'ing the Cons along the way is Sine Qua Non.
No need to over complicate shit.
KeffirLime 5y ago
The reason most guys stumble in here is to get laid. Alot of guys come here off of PUA spheres. Personally, I think it's a great foundation.
It's the quick fix to a much deeper rooted problem. However this fix is often temporary, and get's found out soon enough, once you've picked up enough, you get to the next point. What the fuck do you after you pick up, who are you supposed to be then?
That's where you start to build into the individual you're pretending to be, but atleast you have, to some degree, the roadmap of what you're building into. Atleast you're interacting with woman, understanding them, field testing.
PUA is the first tool of many needed to build a man.
Alot of guys criticize it on here, another hamster to avoid actually putting yourself out there, being vulnerable.
They spend hours and hours in the gym, working on their body, their careers, their looks, but then stumble over their words the moment they engage with a woman.
If your game is tight, then everything you do after that just skyrockets your smv, you're just adding more tools. Paradoxically, you can bust your ass on all your other variables, but nulify it with poor game.
Learn Game.
MakoShark93 5y ago
Alright, I like your pitch.
unn4med 5y ago
I fully agree with you.
I like the idea of game as a tool. I am actually not talking down on game - game is a wonderful tool, so long as the person running it is congruent with who they are.
You understand this, of course, but for the others reading this comment, I aimed to distinguish between PUA tactics of acting high value vs actually becoming so.
Good game should not be gimmicky. It should flow, it should be smooth, it’s outcome independent and self amused. It can be not the most exciting thing, yet still consistently get results.
And we reach that level through self improvement and learning game as a tool - not as a faux identity.
KeffirLime 5y ago
PUA are simply good presenters.
If you do your hair and take a shower, smell nice before you go out are you're attempting to present yourself in the best possible manner. Even when you approach a woman, you're trying to give the best representation of yourself.
They've simply mastered the art of presentation.
It's not necessarily a faux identity, because being a good presenter of themselves is part of their identity.
They may lack other aspects, which will hurt them in the long run, but they've got the tools they do have, very important ones at that and have every right to maximize it.
If you're super high value, but don't know how to present yourself, you're lacking an essential tool and will also hurt you. Your identity is that of a bad presenter.
dulkemaru51 5y ago
Sounds like you're proposing the actual practice of game and not studying PUA tactics on the internet (I don't think you're against the latter, either), so that when the moment comes that you have a female in front of you, you won't stutter, stare at her cleavage and throw up. OP says that PUA without truly being a high-value man, is a front, and that working on oneself builds real, authentic game within the man, that it improves his inner nature.
I'm sure this was clear to you already, just pointing it out so that OP and others don't confuse themselves with extremes.
Lift, get money, blablabla -- this makes you more valuable as a man and makes your push-pull lines more congruent with the badass that you are, deep down.
Remember also to talk to women to strengthen and maintain your comfort in projecting your value when in action.
unn4med 5y ago
yes, really well said! true game is super important.
dulkemaru51 5y ago
I agree. Just clarifying his point:
He said that "PUA is the first tool of many needed to build a man".
One ought to practice game, i.e. pick up chicks, talk to women in real life, and "use PUA" in a manner that reflects the ideal of who you are attempting to become. You should always work on yourself to become better, yes. However, when you DHV in a way that is above your current paygrade, when you act cooler than you really are, you are setting an ideal for yourself, so that your self-image and ensuing behaviour are already familiar and natural to you once you have lifted, meditated and earned enough money to actually feel authentic in that super alpha PUA role.
"Fake it til you make it", means to eventually make it.
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unn4med 5y ago
Definitely helps but... who’s coping?
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olimpicus 5y ago
It matters. I know a guy who was/is really good looking, girls chased him and then laughed at how idiotic he was.
He is doing well currently and bangs hot girls now but he changed his personality a lot. I don't think he knows about this forum though
unn4med 5y ago
I disagree, my friend. But, I wish you all the best in your journey of life.
I do agree about being rich / attractive / famous is a massive factor for being a high value male
chazthundergut 5y ago
TRP does not make a man high value, although it can certainly help. Becoming red pilled means that you can see relationship dynamics for what they truly are. But seeing the code of the Mateix doesnt necessarily mean you can dodge bullets.
That takes practice
unn4med 5y ago
I like this.
My thought was, before TRP, we lived blinded. Once truth was revealed, it’s much easier to make change, even if it doesn’t automatically get you there.
MrSaiyan_333_ 5y ago
There are many "waves" of PUA.
The first one was all about routines, fake DHV stories etc. Then the second one started to mention the importance of looks, personal finance etc., too. Right now, the third one teaches the importance of dealing with past traumas which is maybe the basis of everything (e.g. you can be the biggest, richest motherfucker on the planet but if you have issues with repressed childhood traumas from the past you'll have a hard time reaching your goals and also enjoying them).
olimpicus 5y ago
Where can i read about this 3rd wave i wasn't aware?
MrSaiyan_333_ 5y ago
RSD Julien's Transformation Mastery
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mahdif62 5y ago
Sorry for the noob question but where can I read about how to game?
RPSilverfox 5y ago
Thanks for sharing. I also contribute this community to where I am I my life and would like to add something else not discussed here too often but definitely the icing on the cake for me. I began practicing semen retention earlier this year and highly recommend. For me all the benefits are as described, but what it also does is makes your semen more valuable and you will be more likely to preserve it. By adopting this mindset you will no longer go out with the goal to get laid; you will go out with the goal to fuck an HB 8 or higher. And if you don’t you still win. It’s taken months to realize it, but this on top of everything else learned here I have naturally become a high value male and women notice. And this is actually another red pill as we are taught by society that masterbating is healthy. Once you experience this for yourself you’ll realize it was just another blue pill fantasy. And when you do pull that HB9 you will give her the best sex she’s ever experienced.
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CainPrice 5y ago
I'd caution that game is still critically important, even if you're a cool guy for real. Good looking, valuable guys screw things up with girls all the time due to shitty game. Even if you're hot, successful, fun, and interesting just by virtue of who you are, knowing how to interact with women in a way that generates attraction (which is very different from being valuable and just having a normal conversation) is how hook ups work. Game is part of how you signal your knowledge and suitability for the casual sex culture.
unn4med 5y ago
Absolutely agree.
This was my first post so I definitely learned to explain myself better for the next one.
What I meant was that game is important but make sure it's congruent to your personality. Become a high value male, don't just act it. Own game, and be true to it. Don't use fake techniques and don't put up a front to get quick results.
chris_haga 5y ago
Great outlook. The world desperately needs more effective men. Never stop growing and protect yourself: Always get it in writing.
Key business lesson too - help everyone win, not just yourself. Embracing these values makes you a great man - no wonder women find it attractive.
crespo_modesto 5y ago
can you please sign here and here before we do it
unn4med 5y ago
Exactly! When you live life from within, shining your energy outward instead of depending on it from outside, everything changes.
Thank you for the advice!
gaminesia 5y ago
Game to men is like makeup to women.
It can make you more attractive, but if you're not attractive in the first place (fat for women or being unsuccessful for men), you got more important things to fix.
Auvergnat 5y ago
No, game is part of the value of a high-value male. It’s not some fake cosmetic layer, it’s not just the “marketing” of a product. OP is closer to the truth when he says it’s the “imitation” of a high value male. The reality is that the attitude of good game is exactly (part of) the value that women seek.
Game skills are exactly the same skills that leaders of men have and that’s why they are sought after by women. That aloof confident attitude you display to her is not male make-up, or a sales pitch for a great product, it has real intrinsic value for a highly social species.
Of course to understand that value, people here need to stop seeing Game as a collection of cheap pick up lines and tricks as some PUAs sell at a premium, and start seeing it as it was proto-TRP: the masculine/attractive type of social attitude, just as a muscular body is the masculine/attractive type of body.
And thats why you can’t get away with Monk mode, you need to sharpen your Game skills.
five-acorn 5y ago
I wouldn't say that. To bed women, there is the product (your looks/ style/ aura/ money/ lifestyle etc) and there is the marketing/ sales (your game).
Sure the lines blur a bit but the former is long term, the latter is 'in-the-moment.'
Game isn't necessarily "fake". It's just social lubrication, salesmanship, and know-how to get laid. A great salesman can probably sell you a frozen Walgreens hamburger, but you'd still enjoy the fuck outta it.
Game, in essence, makes women feel good about fucking you. It makes it easy, and preferable. It illicits GOOD emotions. Desperate men, and women, illicit negative emotions. I mean, the basis for an 'attractive face' -- popping out babies -- is mostly an abstract illusion anyway, it's no "realer" than Game. If a woman thinks she is fucking an A-list celebrity, or actually is, is there really a difference? No, no there isn't.
In reality, the more work you do on you "the product" -- the less "game" (marketing) is needed. The less effort you need to expend. That said, some game is effortless once learned. The idea that "you are the prize" can be internalized, should be internalized. Busting her balls rather than pretending you like all the shit she likes. Etcetera etcetera.
Can a disgusting unemployed lardass Quaismodo who lives with Mom pull a dime 10 model with the best "game"/ social engineering possible? Why, fuck yes he can. But get real: most men on Earth will never reach such game. Maximize both.
Feelinggood702 5y ago
I like Auvergnat’s description of it better. What we consider as “game” is actually intrinsic, and is more deterministic of who you actually are and not what you do. It’s not really about pressing up, down, B, B to get a certain response but is something happening in its natural course.
five-acorn 5y ago
Disagree. Game is like a car salesman selling a car. Some are more natural at it, some learn it, but it's saying the right shit, illiciting the right emotions, greasing the wheels, greasing the groove, making a natural, obstacle free (From the women's perspective) feel-good path directly to sex. Countering objections, etc.
Game is theater. Game is a dance.
Who you are is the your looks/ style/ the work you put in before you hit the field.
Feelinggood702 5y ago
Very interesting perspective, thank you.
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AshyLarry27 5y ago
The demonetization of "game" and "PUA's" in this community tends to reach absurd levels. Game isn't some "trick a girl into shit" concept for fakes and betas. You're being taught a skill set that SUPPLEMENTS being a "high value male." Tyler at RSD has made strides in "inner game" concepts, but he still has some ways to go before he were to actually RP himself. To ignore this means all you have done with most PUA's is carbon copy their style without listening to any of their messages or seeing any of their other concepts.
555WeWolf 5y ago
I agree with this but still i have one issue. What do introverts who hadn't had success need to do in other to become the high status you talk about in here?
First of all let me address why this is actually an issue. Now that you figured out your flaws with regards to seeking social validation you can work on it and while you are working on it you will approach women and it wont be a big deal for you because you have experience from back in your PUA days. The rest of the people, introverts, people with approach anxiety and weak game have to deal with their beta social seeking validation as well as anxiety from the feeling of not simply being adequate to fuck that girl because of their lack of experience. It is a fight on 2 fronts with little room to maneuver so i would like to hear some advice from you all what should one do in this kind of a situation?
And yes, most of you will say "you just have to go out there, fail and fail again and you will get it" but in my experience 80% of the time this is what extroverts say who actually have no idea what that actually is like.
EDIT: Some grammar
IvyExcess 5y ago
I am mostly introverted and went from lackluster results to stellar. Guess what? I ha e failed A LOT. I went out there, banged on every door and window so to speak, fucked up, learned, succeeded, fucked up more, learned more, succeeded wildly! FUCKED UP HUGE! Proceeded forward. Massive success now. Massive failures now. Guess what. I'll continue forward, learn, grow, and one day be at the top of the mountain. Worn out. A pile of failure behind me. Lessons learned. And success mine.
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[deleted] 5y ago
I do fine without ever having learned any pickup/PUA stuff, probably due to my social circle and frame but I'm very interested in learning about using Instagram to build an online persona/personal brand. Can you point me to any guides on how to do this?
Managicall 5y ago
More rebranded Assertivism training for sales employees, too bad I'm not looking to purchase a prostitute otherwise this discussion might merit consideration. tl;dr
clon3man 5y ago
I wish people wouldn't humblebrag on this site about spinning plates 5 years ago "before the redpill". It seems to happen a f lot on this sup and I guess it's fine if makes you feel better but it adds nothing of value to people reading your post who are having a hard time. It reads something like this -
"I used to be average but now I'm great" is a very demoralizing statement to read for someone starting at the bottom. It showcases a path that is at not at all within their reach - even if the destination is in their reach. I don't mean that people at the bottom can't climb up, but their journey will be very different.
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MakoShark93 5y ago
You can't honestly expect another man to curtail his story for you -- can you? He's a man, bro!
unn4med 5y ago
Actually man, my intention was exactly the opposite - to show that game can get results, and that TRP can get even better results (still working on that).
If the destination is within reach, then surely the path is within reach as well? The destination all begins in the path. It seems you have cognitive dissonance about what you can accomplish, which makes sense if you’re going through a tough time.
This post was meant to inspire, not to hurt self esteem or create negativity. Through taking one small step at a time, you will compound hundreds of small steps into great distance, putting you close to your destination. Remember, one thing at a time.
I hope you will keep going on your journey, keep your head down and grind, and when it’s time to shine, kill it.
Truly wish you all the best.
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TRP2017 5y ago
Game is essentially playing the numbers. Becoming red pilled increases your odds. Best results come from the combination of both.
You might say great products market themselves and you'd be right but you're no Hollywood Megachad.
You need exposure. Lead generation. That's the game.
Mr_KenSpeckle 5y ago
There are many different styles of PUA. Some styles collect and organize astute observations of human psychology into actionable steps you can take to improve your odds with women. Some styles are just snake-oil being sold by snake oil salesmen. Likewise, some practitioners are competent and some are incompetent, even if the underlying ideas are valid.
I feel like those who bad-mouth the entirety of PUA are selectively focusing only on the obnoxious forms and/or the incompetent practitioners. In reality, RP and good PUA are one and the same, just seen from slightly different angles.
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I'd say you're right, but what makes a good (red pilled if you want) man is basically his mindset. I'd say we could reverse hypergamy by basically do what women do, and punishing them with the Whole "your not my type" kind of mindfuck. I myself i'm trying to do that by becoming the best version of myself, and basically turning down easy sex offers with women of low value. Which means "no loyalty" (IE she says something like "i'm not yours, i can do what i want with who i want") , "high drama", "no virtues (no aims, no real hobbies = no real life)" "no real personality" "doesnt add anything to my table and take what i do as the direction in her life. she's a passive consumer of what i gave her". Of course… you gotta eat. You fuck here and there and then you pass on the younger girls, but basically you retain yourself for yourself from wasting time/seed/effort/money on them hoes!
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>Be conscious of your behaviour and recognize if you are truly acting out the person you are within. This is one of the key differences between beta and high value (alpha) males.
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yes. But i'd say the Whole difference between Alpha and beta is just a false road for most of the men out here. It's just …. a different attitude. You're either born with it or not, but i've seen personally long life tagged beta males being hidden alphas without knowing it. When they became what they ought to be their life turned around for the better.