Summary: Betas empower women because that's what they should do/what women want. "It's an equal world. Give her power and she will be happy." The woman gets more power and becomes miserable as a result. She takes out her frustrations on the men who submit (making them miserable as well), while she's intrigued and turned on by those who don't cop to the empowerment bullshit.
There are whole generations of boys and men making approaches and overtures who want women to make the choice when women don't want to make any choices in the "we" spectrum. Women actually can't make choices in the realm of the relationship. Their default setting when a guy puts the ball in her court is either to use him or lose him.
This means: Even the most beta bux loser is leading and making choices for women. He makes the choice as obvious and clear as the most trained alpha. It's a simple logical twist that both seals the beta deal and turns her off:
By putting the choices in her hands, the man is actually denying his own agency, denying his own pivotal and effective role. But he can't downplay it completely. He can only shrink it and continuously relinquish it, constantly putting it on the woman who seriously won't know what the fuck to do with this guy that can't show spine or make choices.
He thinks the fair thing to do is say, "Ok, evaluate me and then please please let me get lucky and be chosen." He thinks he's giving her an open unbiased field for exercising her society-given female empowerment. He isn't; she lacks the power to choose him entirely of her own will. He's leading her toward a place of confusion where she must find her own way. The interaction started with her excited about maybe being led by a real man (90% of her relationship life is her wandering aimlessly, hoping for someone to will her into a set direction) and then that man puts her back into the wilderness by trying to be hands off and nice, making it clear that he does not want to lead.
And when a woman is confused and uncertain and unled, her attraction instantly dies. She gets the fuck out as fast as possible. She'll instantly lose any real interest and will friendzone him or just check out altogether.
When you’re just sitting talking to a girl without any conscious agenda, you’re still leading her. There is no such thing as a one-sided interaction. Even when you’re not talking, you’re leading in some way. It’s unavoidable. Betas simply lead her to predictable places:
1 – To boredom
2 – Through her constant momentary self-delusions (I’m doing this, I’ve done that, I think Sally did this, broken record shtick)
3 –To seeing you as a tool, orbiter, source of money and gifts
If the women in your life constantly talk about themselves, get bored with you, and only hang around because you give them things, it’s not only your fault – it’s constantly your fault. You’ve created this vacuum of will that she fills up on a whim. She’s not “doing her.” She’s not doing what she normally does (because she's never "normally" been around you - being with you should be a unique fucking experience).
She’s being the shitty person you’re leading her to be.
The last Red Pill story I’ll ever need.
I currently have front row seats to the perfect storm of extreme liberalism creating a male/female relationship that is constant and utter bullshit between a psychologically castrated man and uber-empowered woman. They’re both progressive, intellectual beings living exactly how they think they should live. Their 14 year old son actually has more masculine pull in the household than his own father.
The woman doesn’t work at all. She lives in an enormous house that her husband completely pays for. Everything comes from his salary and investments: their vacations, cars, everything. Yet she pissed all over him a few weeks ago for spending money on a personal project without telling her. She also completely ripped him a new asshole for not phoning home a few nights, and in his crystallized til-death-takes-me betaness, he put a calendar of his monthly schedule on the refrigerator. She not only has his balls. She has them lacquered and rolls them around while he watches.
He stays away from home as much as he possibly can, hanging out with a group of friends who constantly shit all over each other for the slightest liberal shit: perceived racism, classism, sexism. They all basically sit around trying to create a utopia while making each other walk on eggshells. That toxic community is actually preferable to his wife, mostly because she scares the living fuck out of him.
The twist?
This is not the life she wants. I can see it.
She’s not the woman who originally planned to have a wet noodle bitch for a husband, a man whose own child has to intervene on his father’s behalf because his own dad won’t stand up for himself. She didn't marry him saying, “I’m going to get me a man and take all his money and life the big life.” I can tell that she hates him for the way he is and the fact that she’s still testing him after all these years shows that she’s really a little hopeful that this limp dick stranger can still show even a semblance of spine.
He’s the biggest male apologist, panders to all his female friends, is completely afraid of his wife, and doesn’t realize that he leads her daily – DAILY – to treat him like this. Every morning that he wakes up without realizing that he’s ultimately in control, he robs his manhood of its purpose and drives his wife to lead this miserable existence. She punishes him like a monster for refusing to lead, and instead of taking up the reins, he tries to make more and more concessions in hopes that will appease her frustration for another precious day.
And they’re both incredibly intelligent, giving people. I’ve honestly never met two kinder people in my life. They would give everything up to help other people. And their relationship is the biggest pile of shit nuclear train wreck I have ever witnessed.
Lesson: Lead her.
EDIT: a word
masnera 8y ago
sometimes i ask my LTR questions that will make her decide, her face go blank while staring at me, like, she was in struggle to find answers deep in her mind, I notice it immediately, then take that questions back or answer it myself.
masnera 8y ago
Lead me on and take control of how I feel
I can't do this on my own cause it's against my will
I need love warm and tender in a way I've never known
If you want me I'll go with you but you'll have to lead me on.
From the Song "Lead Me On" by Loretta Lynn (1972)
edit:spacing
freddymerckx 8y ago
I'm always amused by people who encounter these Red Pill ideas and then proceed to tell me that I'm bitter and I'll never get any women and I'm a misogynist. Took me a while to figure it out but now it has become clear to me. Red Pill rocks
Churg-Strauss 8y ago
This post is a gem! Thanks a lot, now I know what to do in my current relationship!
bslizzle 8y ago
Oddly enough, the things that you listed that the beta guy does (getting pissed on for spending money on a personal project without telling her, not phoning, etc.) are problematic because he let her get angry about them.
If he had taken the initiative, it would have fostered his leadership as positive. If she wasn't expecting a call, but he did it anyway, it could be a positive aspect of the relationship. If he took the initiative and put a calendar up so his wife (who lives at home) could know his schedule and plan her schedule accordingly, it would be positive.
The problem is not in the action. It's in the woman's perception of the action. She sees him as bending to her will. If she saw it as him leading like a proper male should, it would benefit the relationship.
Of course, these things are contingent on the type of man and how he generally acts. If he has already relinquished his masculine authority, none of this will help until that changes.
zephyrprime 8y ago
It just goes to show you - no matter how much indoctrination you get into a superior moral system you will still not be able to override the primal instincts that are written into the very code of your dna. All the faith in liberal ideals still won't even make a single woman act against her ancient programming. Look at this case study - the op says that they are very giving people but the wife is unable to give to the husband and she is unable to accept and appreciate all the freedom and respect the husband gives to her.
Frenchwinepimp 8y ago
Jesus ,
I keep looking back on that trainwreck of a relationship that I was in up until last September. So many opportunities I recognize to have lead , and I didn't. Looking back on that makes me ashamed.
FUCK_YEA_GLITTER 8y ago
Don't worry man, you live and you learn. Arm yourself with TRP knowledge and don't make the same mistakes
daddymonsterpoodle 8y ago
Yup, been there with that woman. The next woman I met who I showed that I was in charge, and would not be disrespected or given shit by decided she wants to be my sub! It is that simple. Lead and women will want to be lead. It makes them feel safe and secure in their role.
Beegsi_ 8y ago
This stuff is gold mate which reminds me I made a post on twitter today saying that it's not about 'her choice', a man has to make the choices since he is the leader and is responsible of his woman. The amount of feminist and white knight hate I got was crazy and they were saying men and women are equal.
idmfk 8y ago
It's because they don't understand. Don't post shit like that on Twitter, because people are dumb as fuck.
whenfoom 8y ago
Good insight. It's nice to think of women as ALWAYS responding to a man's genuine requests for how to treat them. And sometimes the genuine request is "treat me like I'm not worthy of respect." If women do this to you, then that's the order you're giving them. I like this thought because it keeps as much responsibility on the man as possible. And men should either bare or break under responsibility - never avoid it.
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BradLightningRooster 8y ago
It used to drive me crazy how indecisive women are.
"Where do you want to eat?" = "Ummm I don't know what do you want?"
"Get in the car we're going for steak" = "goody what should I get?"
Its painful looking back at the time when I believed all that "equality" nonsense and tried to force them to lead.
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FreeRadical5 8y ago
Oh no, I've had star fish that insisted on being star fish. Its only with very inexperienced and conservative girls though.
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Lucifer_The_Unclean 8y ago
Feminism is a cultural shit test.
Capitalist_negro 8y ago
I face fuck every thick glasses, sweater wearing feminst I can get my dirty hands on
Lucifer_The_Unclean 8y ago
It's so easy too. You just remind them to lighten up and have fun. All their self-control goes out the window.
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Orig_analUse_rname 8y ago
It's crazy how equality is all a lie. Go back a year and I never thought I'd be saying the things I am.
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I lost my father when I was 5 and grew up with my mom and sister. I was taught women were equal and wanted to be equal or shit they might even be better than men. Then as I got older and started dating and working I began to question if this was really the case.
Then last night I find this sub reddit and everything makes sense. Other people notice what I have been noticing... and they have fucking science behind it. I feel happy that I know the truth but angry in that I don't like the truth.
Orig_analUse_rname 8y ago
My dad actually died when I was 5, but I never even met him and didn't learn of his death till age 11. The Red Pill is a godsend because its our only link to our ancient brothers who basically created mating as we know it. I'm only 17 but having Red Pill knowledge will put me at top 10% of all westernized men by the time I'm 30. Read a lot and I wush you good luck.
RedMoonAscendant 8y ago
I don't know why this post isn't doing better. This seems like a great "intro to Red Pill" article to me. At this point I can barely remember my life of "let her make all the decisions cuz that way she'll be happy" but I definitely know it happened in my BP days.
And how shit those days were.
cariboo_j 8y ago
I'd rather be an absentee leader. "Fuck you I don't owe you shit you're on your own."
LoveYourSelfish 8y ago
Agreed - that last half was a fantastic read, I imagine many subs only read top posts, too.
foldpak111 8y ago
Please don't remind me of those days. Thinking about them kills my vibe and throws me off the rest of the day.
polakfury 8y ago
What would you say were your biggest mistakes back then?
Lucifer_The_Unclean 8y ago
I imagine this post as something you give to your friend who is in a shit marriage.
I should become a couples therapist.
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Actually a better way would be to compliment him on what a good job he is doing being benevolent and understanding toward his wife. Reassure him that he's doing the right thing and tell him that you're certain if he continues working his hardest to please her, as he's been doing for the past 20 years, that things will be really great one day.
Then set up a betting pool with your friends on the date for his inevitable breakup/breakdown/oncoming storm.
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EmperorAurelius 8y ago
Can you give some examples of leading, please?
Lucifer_The_Unclean 8y ago
Never ask her where she wants to go on the date, or what she wants to eat. Preferably you would even tell her what to wear.
"We're going on a date"
"Where?"
"It's a surprise. Wear something nice."
Take her hand and move her around the bar/room/park. Put your hand on her back and guide her. Never ask what she wants to do.
Clint_Redwood 8y ago
I've posted an article in the main sub about fostering a Captain and First mate dynamic. Go through my post history if you can't find it
_penseroso_ 8y ago
Seriously? You don't know what leading is? What the hell are they teaching in schools these days?
Leadership is making calls that benefit all parties involved. It's establishing the moral compass of the relationship and driving it forward. Think of the great leaders and speakers of your time...how they set the tone, and through that direct the behaviour of themselves and those around them.
My gf hates making any calls. She always wants me to make the decisions, and she doesn't even REALIZE she's doing it every day. She just knows she's happy when she's led
Some examples in your day to day relationship life
Do you prefer to go out or stay in for diner? You will make the call 99% of the time, based on your preference. She will follow, and will love you for setting the tone.
Do you want to live in the city or the country? You set the direction, she will follow.
Do you want to have kids or be D.I.N.K.S.? 99% of women will want kids biologically, so you make the call as to WHEN it happens
This is what being red pill it all about - you make the calls in life. You include her in the process so she feels valued, but ultimately, you make the calls.
Zagiggity 8y ago
When this finally hit home for me was noticing how often my own single-parent Mother puts decisions back on me. She honestly, somewhere down deep inside there, wants to be led. I'm respectful to her by all means but when she just wants to spend time with me, she wants me to determine how.
EmperorAurelius 8y ago
I know what leadership is, I was just looking for more field report type examples. I'm currently dating a decent chick but I feel like I'm making too many little mistakes. Either way, your post is quality. Thanks.
wakocid 8y ago
Here is leadership on a much bigger scale. The year is 2005 home prices are rising to unseen levels. I own a home, married with two kids-15 & 13 back then. I had just remodeled the house and the family was very comfortable in it, the neighborhood is awesome. Something in the financial world is not making sense, this small tract home I purchased in 1990 ($195k) now has a value of over $715k? So I decide we are selling the house and will rent. The family certainly did not say "great idea Dad, we are behind you". Well I took shit from not only my family, but friends, in-laws, etc. "you are a fool, I hate you, what a mistake you are making, don't do it for the children...." Walked away with a profit of over $500k, financial world dives into turmoil....Guess who is now labeled the genius 10 years later....
RP_WIP 8y ago
Worrying about 'little mistakes' with a 'decent chick' screams oneitis. That is your mistake. Don't let your feelings cloud the fact that she's not yours, its just your turn.
Any amount of 'little mistakes' can be rectified with one simple solution: Find another chick and start over.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Great story... sad of course.
To a woman the beta is like the relationship autist because he's obviously physically there and seemingly intellectually participating, but his lack of intuitive understanding of the dynamics at play make him seem clueless, which he is.
Wake up to the Red Pill... discover masculine polarity.
Battle-Scars 8y ago
Great post, this is so true. Sad everybody wants to read click bait instead.
Luckyluke23 8y ago
Great podt man. I havent seen a post on idepth leading. I really need to do this more them im out talking to a girl and know my actions leader her to where i want to go. If she doesnt what to come with thats fine. But I NEED to know I (me) leed her there
Orig_analUse_rname 8y ago
When I'm in my literature class, we often go into groups. In a class full of mostly girls (some of whom I suspect want to fuck me) I always end up playing team leader? Why? They need it. They don't know the answers. Guess what? They all have higher grades than I do. Male teacher.
Holznaya 8y ago
I used to work in an office that was 90% female and super feminist. They can never get anything done without a 100% consensus, unless the only man in the room (me) stands up and says "we should do X" then suddenly they all want to do X.
They all made more than me and joked about how they should all get .23 cents on the dollar raises when the HR system inadvertently switched all their genders to male. Despite this, the 10% of guys in the office all of whom were underpaid relative to our female managers actually ran the entire place.
Women can't lead. They always defer to male judgement on direction. Even if they don't rationally like or agree with it, and may argue with you on it, if you hold your frame they will always submit.
Marsupian 8y ago
This post is almost spot on what my uncle is doing. Not super liberal but even the 14 year son taking the reigns is spot on. It's pretty crazy when one moment the wife is destroying her husband and the moment her 14yr old makes a sound she acts like an obedient servant. I started thinking that in her search for a leader she turned to the first person who stood up to her which turned out to be her son going through puberty. An absolute train wreck for everyone involved. I sometimes wish he would just come to his senses and slap some manners and respect into his family.
FreeRadical5 8y ago
I think we aren't being fair to the men in these situations. The wives are shitty to the men because over years they have learned how to control and manipulate them. They do as much as they can get away with and it is precisely calculated and calibrated. The son on the other hand is a new threat, they have neither learned his capabilities nor developed ammunition against him. Furthermore society has not provided the wives tools to manipulate the son the way it has for the husband.
In other words, these women (like all humans) will be exactly as bitchy and domineering as they can get away with to any one. Yes it is partly the husbands fault for not putting her in her place but it is also the society's fault for actively encouraging such a situation.
Marsupian 8y ago
Blaming the women would be like blaming the fire for being hot. It's their nature.
Where would we be today if women wouldn't test their potential mates for strength and masculinity?
A shit test is your opportunity to display your masculinity and create the correct relationship dynamic.
If you want to blame anything blame society for failing the collective shit test that is called feminism and for raising a generation of weak boys.
plenkton 8y ago
Women are the tool to fulfill a man's desires. It's silly to expect a tool to handle itself.
robbiedigital001 8y ago
Great post, direct and to the point.
hopelessoneitis 8y ago
Its a really good post that explains the leading part very well.
But to be honest, i dont really seem to get the story so well.
Please try and elaborate on points i will make and explain to me.
Now if i get everything correctly, this is an ideal situation where the man is in charge of financial shit and provides for her. (Provider) But at the same time he can actualy support a rather "good" lifestyle in order for things to be kept intersting.
Here we see the man not calling home a couple of times at night for whatever reason. He is off to a good start by showing he can phone WHEN he can. The fact that he put the calendar on the fridge doesnt actually tell me that his wife holds him by the balls rather putting it as a dont disturb me at those times note. (At least from my point of view)
There i can see the wrong to a certain level. Apologising to much has been discused here one so many times.
Dont get me wrong, but i think that your male friend is actually trying to keep shit to a good level, does a few things that piss the wife, cause no matter what you do she gets pissed, but where he loses it is that afterwards he loses all frame with her reactions?
In general it seems like a good deal for the woman. Husband makes lot of money, provides and blah blah.
He also spend some money on HIS OWN project without letting her know. He does things on his own. No shared investment account and whatever. Isnt that considered a plus?
Not calling home some nights. Wife loses it. Like she is supposed to.
He has his group of friends that he spends alot of time with. No matter what that group is like, they are still his daily dose of male company.
So all in all i guess the only problem is that he loses frame when she tests him over the things he has done correct?
I am honestly curious about those questions, so please answer in a nice manner and for the love of god dont jump on the red pill bandwagon flaming me about being stupid blue bill provider shit. I am trying to examine situations inside out.
Wumpus1 8y ago
What your reply seems to be missing from the original post is about how the man accepts and takes shit from his wife without even trying to stop it.
Individually, the parts that you quoted are not bad in and of themselves. But when you are at a point where your balls have receded so far into your body that you cannot tell your wife she is acting like a cunt (obviously when justified) then there is a problem.
I actually agree that communication is something that they really need to work on. The husband needs to get used to telling his wife what his own needs are and which behavior is unacceptable in their family. He needs to communicate his disapproval in a non-condescending way and assert his leadership as the primary provider of their lifestyle.
I am sure you can agree that his position as the sole provider is one that does grant him the authority to make decisions and direct the general course of family life. If his wife wanted closer to 50/50 power split she can do something to provide lots of value as well.
Bottom line is he needs to flex his muscle and run an orderly family team.