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When I first came across this sub, I had parroted the teachings until they became second nature.

I lifted, ate right, gamed multiple women, reinvented myself and became self employed.

Then, the siren's call of MGTOW called out to me: I had grown bored. Gaming women had become a chore. What was the point? Why work out? Why continue reading? I was perfectly happy being on my own.

That's when it happened: I had become comfortable in my own mediocrity.

Gained 50 lbs. I haven't seen my resting six pack in 4 months, always promising myself that I'd get my shit together tomorrow.

That cute new girl? Eh, I'll get her number tomorrow.

Read a new book? I'll just do it tomorrow.

Post quality content? Tomorrow.

Always tomorrow.

Then tomorrow would come, and the cycle would repeat: tomorrow was, conveniently, always a day away.

Excuses would come: "but I'm Redpilled, so I know what the fuck is going on and it's my choice to be a lazy fuck. Don't I deserve a break!?"

My point being is that no matter how far we've come along on the Redpill, we're walking a fine line. The only difference is that the stakes are raised the further we come along, as well as the risk of falling off the wagon.

The assaults on our psyche never end. The propaganda is unrelenting. The fact of the matter is that a Redpilled individual is a hostile entity inside the blue pilled matrix. We must always be vigilant. We're not welcome within this system. Like the human body, white blood cells are produced when a foreign entity is detected in an attempt to eliminate the threat. The matrix is always adapting, both passively and actively looking for ways to get you back into the fold.

It doesn't matter if you're ultimately beneficial to the host. The fact of the matter is you're different and that's the only justification the body needs in order to eliminate you without remorse.

I was talking to a friend of mine who had bought "the Manipulated Man" and proudly posted it up on his Instagram. "Fuck the haters #theRedPill" he wrote underneath. When he shared the picture with me I immediately called him up and said "take that shit down, you dumb fuck!"

Too late. Within minutes, the post-wall single mother of two beautiful mixed race boys with two different fathers from his gym unleashed verbal diarrhea upon his wall telling him that he was walking a dark path, he was reading toxic material, how the book was the work of a self hating misogynist, how she had concerns about his mental health. And on and on and on.

The next day at the gym, gym mates pepper him with concern. The women looked at him like a pariah and his coach took him aside to "set him straight" about his relationship troubles with his ex, who has been in contact with the gym. I shit you not, one of the purple belts sat down with him and said that "men are the source of all evil in the world, and you must fight that!"

He sat down with me later that day, embarrassed. I laughed at his misfortune: "I'm positive that I told you not to say shit about TheRedPill to anyone, this is why." Needless to say this guy feels like he's walking on eggshells the last several weeks at his gym and has to look for a new gym.

We're never more than one step away from surrending our sobriety and indulging in our bad habits of the past. For me, it is food. For him, it is validation. TheRedPill is a double edged sword: you can accomplish great things with it if handled competently, and it can end your life if you wield it recklessly in an attempt to seek validation.

If you want to share knowledge, don't expose yourself carelessly: disguise your message under the the guise of simple self improvement. It is your responsibility, for your own safety, to always be finding a way to communicate your thoughts efficiently whilst also refining the message you're trying to convey.

You can lie to the world, but always be honest with yourself. Once you start lying to yourself, you'll lose your grip on reality, just like inception, and you'll get lost before you even know it.

In the same vein, you owe no one an explanation.

Nobody needs to know outside of this forum why you choose to think the way you do. All they need to know is where you stand and to stay out of the way.

Anyway, just remember that you have no friends out there. Only competition and enemies. You're a foreign entity in a hostile host. If you draw attention to yourself, the host will send the betas out to repurpose you and get you back in line, or eliminate you. Don't try and flaunt your knowledge when you don't have anyone backing you up, the opposition is already looking for witches.

Each individual ant in a colony acts as a "cell" as if it were a part of large organism. The colonies can connect with other colonies and form what we call "super colonies." Essentially super organisms.

We're but cells in the super organism of the matrix. A living, breathing super colony that spans continents. Until the "virus" that is the Redpill infects more cells and repurposes them, you as an individual need to stay under the radar. The tallest nail gets the hammer after all.

[-] BobbyPeru 163 Points 7 months ago

The first rule of fight club is you don’t talk about fight club

[-] JohnnySixguns 38 Points 7 months ago

Came here to say this, and I should just repeat it, since it cannot be said enough.

Never, ever mention TRP to anyone except another male in need of TRP, and even then, be careful because that male, initially, will think you're into some misogynist BS and will be dismissive. If you can't trust him to protect your secrets, don't share TRP because he will burn you so he can white knight for the benefit of some percieved damsel in distress.

[-] BobbyPeru 20 Points 7 months ago

Most men can’t be trusted... not because they are calculated, but it’s usually because they are so deep in the matrix that they don’t even know they are in it- just like the movie... and anything outside the matrix mentality scares the crap out of them.

But, yeah there are guys who can’t get laid that will grasp anything and white knight to get laid. Ironically, they are cock blocking theirself

[-] Protocol_Apollo 2 Points 6 months ago

"...anything outside the matrix mentality scares the crap out of them." Absolutely. After reading some posts on this forum regarding sharing TRP, only help those who ask for it. This took me a while to grasp since I genuinely wanted to help a few of my friends and get them started on their self-help journey (didn't have to start with TRP, it could have just been YT vids such as based zeus/tmf) but I realised that they must first at least hint that they want to change and start the journey and only then can I point them to the right direction and even then you have to breadcrumb them on the path rather than laying it all on them. Only hint of your knowledge of self-help and TRP principles (not the reddit itself- that bit comes later) and only do that if they bring up the topic either directly or indirectly (e.g. them talking how to pick up girls etc)

[-] KeffirLime 76 Points 7 months ago

It's important to to understand that the system is against you, you have a few options.

You can oppose the system until it gathers enough support to become the system, if ever, or you can game the system.

Your friend posting the manipulated man was an attempt to fight the system and the system fought back and put him back inline. Had he just gamed the system, fucked chicks, got a better job, put on more muscle he would have gone about his business without too much trouble.

This is because the system works for a man of value, the system works for a Red Pill man. Even though it's built on principles the system rejects it does not reject the actual embodiment of those principles, it rewards it, this is how the Red Pill hacks it.

The Red Pill embodiment can only flourish because of the system. If the Red Pill spreads and ultimately becomes the system I personally think it will lead to a set of events that would require an essay, but in short I don't think it will be riches and prosperity for the average man, it would still only favor the top 20%, the rest would have to fall in line.

So better to ascend to the top 20% now, within the system, while it's much, much easier.

[-] vfb14 31 Points 7 months ago

The 80/20 principle will always stay as the rule. If the Redpill became mainstream, 80 percent of the population of this subreddit would come to face the reality of their own true standing in the principle.

[-] redpillcad 9 Points 7 months ago

Most men are losers ...80 percent sounds about right

[-] WarriorMonkMode 16 Points 7 months ago

That's a good point. This is the time to use our brains and get into a good position, because it will only get harder once the cat is out of the bag.

[-] RedHoodhandles 9 Points 7 months ago

TRP will never be mainstream. The truth is hard to stomach and as long as life is going okish there's no incentive for a man to change and face reality.

[-] metallicdrama 3 Points 7 months ago

Most people have to live in denial and be delusional or else they'll kill people or themselves. It's the foundation of society lol.

[-] Imperator_Red 1 Point 7 months ago

It was mainstream (in a sense) from the beginning of time until ~1965, and one way or another it will become mainstream again one day. We are living in tiny irrational blip of hisory.

[-] odaklanan_insan 5 Points 7 months ago

Like the first buyers of Bitcoin, who got rich..

[-] Protocol_Apollo 1 Point 6 months ago

In a way, it is the greatest paradox ever. We want to educate more and more men about this but we risk many consequences of that as well, eg being ostracised by certain people but more importantly if every man became part of this system and thus "red-pilled", nobody is truly "red-pilled". Every one is on the same playing field, same wave-length and everyone sees through the "game". Imagine the kind of work it would take to become the top 20% of that kind of group? Instead of having a decent physique, you will need a model/god like physique, instead of reading 2 books in a month, it will be 6 books.

Our greatest enemy, the sea of mediocrity, is our greatest strength- it is what allows this small community to thrive. But it can only work is the "forbidden knowledge" is given only to a select number of people. What select means is up to the reader

[-] GLADmyNAMEaintDICK 1 Point 7 months ago

fall in line

What do you mean by that? Yeah the competition would be higher, but really if the average is as high as you say it would be, I doubt your scarcity mindset would bleed through to 80% of men. Power simply wouldn't be played with the same way in an educated masculine society.

[-] MobleUserNameMu 43 Points 7 months ago

Don't believe them, don't fear them, don't ask anything of them.


[-] vandaalen 33 Points 7 months ago

Dude. So much bullshit just to justify yourself lacking of discipline.

Also MGTOW does not equal becoming a lazy landwhale:

[-] WarriorMonkMode 0 Points 7 months ago

Yeah, mgtow in the incel sense. Not the correct sense.

Having a structured job really kept things together for me. Leaving that job and becoming self employed messed me up: have to setup my own structure rather than the structure of a job. Discipline slipped when I changed everything.

[-] GlobalAsshat 15 Points 7 months ago

You bring up a good point. Establishing routines when it comes to self discipline is so important, because the limbic brain is just going to want to do what gives it short term gratification, and will fall back on that any chance it gets when it sees you aren't vigilant.

There's a reason children learn and grow when someone is controlling their behavior but people stop growing when they get out on their own. You need to be your own best parent as you go through life, parenting your limbic brain which is going to want to be lazy, whine, and complain when it doesn't get it's way... each of us has an an inner child that we can learn to tame, and there's no better place to do that than right here, with that sidebar over there.

[-] GlobalAsshat 18 Points 7 months ago

A true red pilled man doesn't need to look for a new gym over this. Why care so much about what all these people think anyways? Do what you know will get results. All their "verbal diarrhea" is meaningless. People say lots of shit but then you go and look at their actions.... the feminist who is riding Chad after her protest rally.. most of this "verbal diarrhea" is just shit tests for regular people to swallow, not people versed in red pill philosophy and evolutionary psychology.

I would agree that there's no need to discuss the red pill with anyone... it's not a religion that you push onto people like a jehovah's witness goes and knocks on doors... but you let it slip out.. not a big deal. People will get over it.

[-] JohnnySixguns 6 Points 7 months ago

I see your point, but it's irrelevant because a true red pilled man doesn't need validation in the first place. Thus, a true-red pilled man has not "outed" himself to the system. "Outing" is a verbal manifestation of TRP principles, vs. "living them." There is a substantial difference. Actions speak louder than words. Talk is cheap. And dangerous.

Your premise presents a false dichotomy: a supposed red-pilled man who "doesn't care" about outing himself / boasting as a follower of TRP. It's not realistic and therefore doesn't compute.

[-] GlobalAsshat 2 Points 7 months ago

For me I post this shit as much to remind myself of the principles as I do to help any of you.. I edit my posts and go over it in my head, distilling down what I've learned thus far, and whatever help you guys get out of it, well that's just a bonus. :)

As for your main point, it's hard not to want to talk politics when you have an interest in politics. For me, psychology has become my main field of interest in the sciences, and I do love talking science in real life. This includes red pill which is heavily rooted in evolutionary psychology. I know my audience though and don't discuss it with "normals" like you said...

[-] Standgrounding 2 Points 7 months ago

Yes, he does. Even if OP retracts the red pill statement publicly, people would still think he's some sort of weirdo.

That's called residue reputation.

And unlike you donate to charity and publicly write #tbt and about binging all the seasons of Game of Thrones while simultaneously fucking girls and earning cash, nobody's gonna regain that respect for you. It's easier to start anew. Plus you get to meet new people!

[-] GlobalAsshat 1 Point 7 months ago

Meet new people....a good thing. Residue reputation...who cares...I go to the gym to work out. I can socialize somewhere else.

[-] Standgrounding 2 Points 7 months ago

You don't have to be so cold and uncaring to be redpill.

It's the running stereotype. One can basically be purple pill - warm, well respected and "awesome" on the outside and having personal secrets of his own(the red pill) on inside. That's my goal - to achieve high status and tons of potential fucks or romantic partners. And respect.

That was pretty much my attitude in highschool back then - I went there to get educated. To prepare for the nightmare that the university is, without even realizing I could be travelling for free(or even getting paid for doing so) instead.

The ultimate goal is to meet all five needs of Maslows pyramid. To be happy.

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[-] OldPeopleLeather 13 Points 7 months ago

I was in a similar spot to what you described, heavier, thinking I was "choosing" to be mediocre. I recommend David Goggins' book Can't Hurt Me. Helps you see how life really should suck for it to be great. The trick is when you're tired or freezing or exhausted, have an answer ready for when you ask yourself "why am I doing this?.

[-] _do_not_read_this_ 13 Points 7 months ago

when you're [] freezing have an answer ready for when you ask yourself "why am I doing this?

Literally how I quit smoking. It was about 6 degrees and I was freezing in my back yard sneaking a smoke while the ex-wife was sleeping so she wouldn't find out and I asked myself, "why the fuck am I doing this?" and I had no answer.

Haven't had a smoke since.

[-] OldPeopleLeather 5 Points 7 months ago

That's interesting. I actually meant it as "why am I doing this positive thing I should be doing". Like, when I'm on a run and I want to quit so bad. I'll ask myself "why am I running" and I'll remember all the reasons I want to be better and then I'm motivated to continue.

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[-] Lordadidas 9 Points 7 months ago

My answer to this question is pretty simple. When the question of “why” arises in my head I simply think “why not?” there is honestly nothing better you have to do with your time than to craft yourself into a better man. At least I have nothing better to do than to grind it out for the promise of a better tomorrow. So whenever the question of why arises in your head just retort with “why the fuck shouldn’t I?” and that little bitch of a voice in your head will most likely not come up with any valid reasons, just weak excuses.

[-] ghost_atlas 1 Point 7 months ago

The question is more of "why bother", and in that line of thinking "you will always be this way". I know it's catastrophizing, and it's not a solution just running from the problem.

[-] OldPeopleLeather 2 Points 7 months ago

You should make it an ideal you strive towards, so you can think of the happiness you'll achieve as you progress towards it, while also being happy you're on the right path to begin with. For me this ideal is based in what you could call the ultimate goal of my religion, but for the non-religious I'll extend the concept. Just like the natural ideal for a gazelle is to eat good grass, reproduce, and avoid predators, there is a natural ideal for humans (this is more than just survival). Determine what this ideal is for you, then when you ask yourself "why am I doing this" respond "to be [insert ideal]".

[-] Yakatonker 10 Points 7 months ago

A kind reminder, cell phone, an extension of the machina of plutocratic technocracy does more to program people then an educated opinion. It is an absolute exercise in futility to "enlighten the masses". You cannot nor will you ever motion large swaths of people.

The only people who can sway large population groups are power people, celebrities, presidents, governors, etc. The single man in the almost invisible spectrum of the social microcosm cannot influence social opinion.

Do not blow up your social capital with an outburst by being completely ignorant of the prevailing social order. Especially when the current social order is Matriarchal.

[-] S-Blaze 2 Points 7 months ago

And these power people are of good use to the Matrix in one way or another.

[-] EM-50 8 Points 7 months ago

OP, it's an interesting post. Responding to the title and your warning, perhaps age and experience factor into it as well. I was brought to MGTOW-slash-TRP after a particularly bitter divorce. Believe me, once you've been badly burned by a very hot stove, you will remember, and you will avoid it in the future.

You know, I write it. And, for me, I know in my heart it's true. But you're right, OP. I've seen other men go through bitter fights in Family Court, only to get re-married a few months later. Boggles my brain. I can't imagine getting re-married, ever again, no matter how NAWALT she is.

[-] syn1us 7 Points 7 months ago

A very redpilled friend of mine dropped all his redpill beliefs and became a little beta bitch for a 5/10 girl who lives in another country, and now they are in the most pathetic LDR I have ever seen. The guy is tall and jacked and could have much more attractive girls, yet an ugly trailhog turned him into a pussy.

I, as a friend, politely shared my opinion to let him know that LDRs don't tend to work out very well. He blocked me on all social media and hasn't talked to me in a month.

Good riddance though, only high value males are allowed into my circle of friends.

[-] TahaCobra 7 Points 7 months ago

True Dat

Law 38: Think as you like, but behave like others

[-] NoOneMatters 7 Points 7 months ago

Think as you like, but act like others

[-] -Fidelio- 7 Points 7 months ago

That's what MGTOW is designed to do. Convince men to check out of trying to achieve. It doesn't like that; it sounds like a manly independant way of approaching life. Just like "feminism" sounds like a feminine way of approaching life. But they both are the opposite of this. I haven't seen a single MGTOW place that isn't full of whiners and feminists do everything in their power not to be feminine.

They're exact inversions of what they purport to be.

[-] GlobalAsshat 2 Points 7 months ago

The main subreddit has been taken over by toxic, incel promoting black pilled mods. Their goal is to ultimately distort and destroy the movement. A lot of quality posters have been banned which leaves a really toxic vibe. Use MGTOW2.

MGTOW is more for divorced with kids men in their 30's and 40's. I always encourage young men to come here to the red pill.

Some people just want to stay fat, smoke pot, and play videogames all day while complaining they can't get 8's to fall for them.Others like myself just had shit personalities except they don't want to admit it or change.

[-] -Fidelio- 1 Point 7 months ago

I appreciate the info, but I wasn't just talking about the subreddit, but also the youtubers including sandman.

I get that some men and women just want to be disconnected from the entire world, but it's both sad and contemptable.

Too many people that are demoralized, when there's still a chance at winning.

[-] RPSilverfox 7 Points 7 months ago

I went out with a buddy on Sat night who ended a 5 year LTR last year. He’s using dating apps and doing okay but he realizes he needs an edge with women and actually said he was reading online material on how to do better with women. Even in this situation I kept quiet about this sub. Sending someone the link, even if they need it, could cause problems. This guy has access to my LTR and even my son through social media so it’s simply not worth it.

[-] Kpwn88 11 Points 7 months ago

If you're worried about this guy talking to your LTR about your conversations, you need better friends.

[-] friendandadvisor 3 Points 7 months ago

He didn't say he was worried; he said why he was wary, which is one of the reasons that we say "Don't talk about...".

[-] Dontneedflashbro 5 Points 7 months ago

First off mgtow isn't about becoming a fat ass and giving up on life. I don't know where you picked that up at but get that foolishness out of your head. Mgtow is about Living Your Best Life! Which includes being in shape, constantly learning, good grooming habits, making money, and assembling life how you want it. Be honest with yourself, you just wanted to be lazy and shift the blame to something else.


You're friend should stay at his current gym. No reason for him to move out over such an insignificant event. How these people acted about red pill views shouldn't be a surprise. He has to remember a large majority of men are blue pilled.

[-] friendandadvisor 3 Points 7 months ago

You're friend should stay at his current gym. No reason for him to move out over such an insignificant event. How these people acted about red pill views shouldn't be a surprise. He has to remember a large majority of men are blue pilled.

No, he should leave. His coach, of all people, actually had the temerity to lecture him on being RP! Holy shit, this man is an enemy. Would you want an enemy to coach you? That fuck has White Knight writ all over him, and can only be poison.

[-] Warrior_King02 5 Points 7 months ago

That title was me today. I was just wasting my time on social media and although I got work done today, I wasn't as satisfied as I was when I am fully focused. Thanks for remaining someone that it's easy to fall back into bad habits.

[-] Kpwn88 4 Points 7 months ago

No matter how RedPill you I think you are I am, you're I'm only one false step away from falling back into the beta trap.


Speak for yourself, bucko! Some of us take this shit a little more seriously and can't afford to get complacent.

[-] Aggressive_Beta 3 Points 7 months ago

The idea of not focusing on my mission is foreign to me. My mission has been roughly the same since I was a little kid and I’ve been working very hard towards it ever since. Even when I was blue pilled, I never stopped on it. The most I’ve done is take temporary detours around it. Things like lifting, fucking, acquiring currency, socializing, and other hobbies (both productive and consumptive) take time away from it. But it’s always there.

No amount of red pilling can make a man want to focus on his mission. He has to find the drive within.

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[-] Im_Not_Kevin 2 Points 7 months ago

Thanks for this. I'm just coming back to lifting after fucking up and fucking around for far too long.

Thank you and best of luck.

[-] Govedo13 2 Points 7 months ago

Great and deep post. Especially the second part of it. Thank you

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[-] Your_Coke_Dealer 1 Point 7 months ago

I needed this post. The “don’t talk about TRP” part and beyond are obvious to me, but that MGTOW is a poisonous ideology was something I needed a reminder of. I’ve been spending way too much time there, albeit mostly for the schadenfreude, and you hit the nail on the head describing it: lazy. Most people there are making excuses for their complacency (or just inability to get laid), under the guise of self-preservation or cost-benefit tradeoff.

[-] NextBad 1 Point 7 months ago

> That's when it happened: I had become comfortable in my own mediocrity.


Basic adult task have nothing to do with women, but fear not women date man child all the time. Red pill isn't about money, cars, cloths or muscles, it's about the reality of human dynamics.


> The assaults on our psyche never end. The propaganda is unrelenting. The fact of the matter is that a Redpilled individual is a hostile entity inside the blue pilled matrix.


Not everything is a conspiracy , you did this to yourself, feminist didn't cause you to gain weight, the evil white man didn't, our Capitalistic society didn't , sure there are issues but we keep bringing up things that have no bearing

[-] WarriorMonkMode 1 Point 7 months ago

I gained weight because I ate too much and did too little. Conspiracies don't have calories.

[-] zarboty 1 Point 7 months ago

Awesome post. I find this happening to myself once in a while. I start getting too comfortable with plates and the spark kind of dies. I was never a "blue pilled beta" per se, rather I had a harder time picking up higher tier chicks and that's why I started reading this subreddit a few years back. Used to strictly lurk, but this post inspired me to ask what are some things you do to combat falling back into your old ways other than reading old material? You mentioned your vice was food and I guess mine is being too compassionate?

[-] Imperator_Red 1 Point 7 months ago

I cannot even imagine the level of faggotry that must exist at that gym.

[-] WarriorMonkMode 3 Points 7 months ago

The owner is a man who gave his cheating wife a house, 2 restaurants, and if he's to be believed, $1,000,000!

His new wife (because he didn't learn the first time apparently) runs his new gym. Her and a gaggle of other post wall women refer to the top fighter there as "the package." Oh, and the owner asks his wife for permission before any purchases.

Of course, he suggests to my friend that he should do couples counseling. Forget that idiot.

[-] metallicdrama 1 Point 7 months ago

You're always in a beta trap until you're not.

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