Background: I'm married, wife likely cheated five years ago, found out and put her in the penalty box. The penalty box is a place where no overt communication has taken place. I just do what I want. When I want. And wifey has never been happier. Why is she happy?
I'm now fucking ripped and jacked at same time. I walk into rooms and no 40 yr old looks anything like me
I got career on fast track
I take care of business. That includes wife's emotions, yea..out of fear of losing my miracle kids....im willing to wait this one out a bit. I keep my emotions in check, I need nothing from her or any bitch now. I have you guys and a few close friends for that.
My kids feel safe. They know that finally there is an adult in the home making sure they cross the finish line.
Body:
I have a smokeshow plate who I've written about before. I've learned more about TRP from her then anyplace else. She has a high earning husband who pukes emotions and neediness. The guy is ten years older then her and skinnyfat. I just have to be "rugged" and "indifferent" and she buys me presents and books hotels so I can knock her head into the wall while telling her she is my personal slut. Her eyes roll back, she scratches my back and begs me to come in her.
The more drama and push,pull I throw, the harder she wants to please me. If i wasn't game aware I'd let this go to my head but we here know the truth: Any dickhead could have her. I'm not so fucking great.
Anyway, holidays are here, everyone busy, and she cancelled our last two meetings. Didn't even offer an alternative. I put her on ice for a week to get her attention.
She noticed and reminded me it's her son's birthday party and my kid was invited to come. She asked if I could keep her company while the kids played and her hard-working beta arrived late. Told her no fucking way, I had plans to drink and would take advantage of the "drop off" situation and be back at party's end.
I asked a different kids mom whose kid was also on the local soccer team if she was attending. She said yes and that she was considering leaving to check out some sales at a store nearby for holiday shopping
"That's lame. Let's drink and catch up, been too long"
"Ok! Where? What time? How are you getting home.....etc etc"
"Drop off at 4, then we go out. Leave to me gorgeous"
"Yes"
Went exactly as planned. Plate went nuts and texted me throughout the kids party, even made jokes about the other mommy drunk and crashing car on way home. She asked what we did and all I said was "I don't kiss and tell"
Lo and behold, plate found two nights this week where she can meet. Wife also deeply curious why I didn't stay at party. And the lady I "used" for drinks? She keeps texting me to offer free passes at her very high end gym. I'm currently like Rocky ....pushups, burpees, dumbbells, Pull ups, cables, and whatever machines are in my shit gym. It works, I know what to do so high end gyms are treats not my main staple.
Anyway, back to "Jessica"...
I don't know if she is more useful to me as a dread provider or a warm hole. In the end, it doesn't matter.....there are millions of bitches and none are worth shit. All of them need me.
Actually, that's not true. Not ME. A guy LIKE me.
If that doesn't make sense then read the sidebar
Wumpus1 8y ago
I like how you remind us that we are not special ourselves. Sure we can be fit and attractive, but we are being naive if we think we are special and unique. Thinking we are special alfalfa snowflakes is just as bad as the dumb girls who tell themselves the same thing.
[deleted] 8y ago
Never let a bitches attention go to your head. It's no accomplishment and when they lose interest as they always do, then you are fucked if you used her attention as validation.
Paradoxically, this attitude is how you keep em on the hook long term. They need to be wanted and hate to be needed
always-be-closing 8y ago
I am reminded of the Chris Rock sketch.
"Well, I take care of my kids!"
"You're supposed to take care of your goddamn kids! What do you want? A cookie!"
I have nothing but admiration (well, and a healthy amount of envy, and interest in lifestyle and habit choices) when I see men who: earn more, are in better shape, plate more, have simpler lives, etc.
But I notice none of them admire themselves too much; they look forward to, either their own potential or to their children's potential. What they have now is enjoyed, but not to the point of complete contentment.
It's a striking kind of humility. There's still ambition and satisfaction, but not entitlement.
I think this kind of 'ever forward' attitude is the reason women find male indifference and non-need for them attractive.
Do we want the horse than won many races and is content to chew cud, or do we want the one champing at the bit, snorting and rearing because it wants to run?
So too, I think, with a woman's desire for a man.
cleftscout 8y ago
I just had a long conversation about body dismorphia today with my LTR.
Regarding men I told her about how I personally feel: I will never be strong enough. It doesn't matter what records I currently hold. If I hold them now in my age group, I'll be competing in the next two years group starting one month from today. What I have right now doesn't matter to me all that much, what matters is that I will always strive to better myself and will accept no one telling me that I'm good enough as it is.
All I strive for is strength, bitches when I can make the time for them, and the ability to live in a way to do what I want. As long as I can look in the mirror and tell myself that I can become better today, I am about as content as I'll ever be.
[deleted] 8y ago
Perhaps you've just described my problem, but perhaps it no more a "problem" than a shift in focus.
When I was 14 I started an online business that grossed 30k and employed 4 people part time. Not to brag, I'm just showing that I'm serious.
Now I'm 17. I've got a couple ventures on the back burner, but I'm not currently making money and I'm not currently devoting much energy to business.
Instead I prefer, for the moment, to expend time and energy to:
You talk about contentment, but you also talk about the desire and energy to move forward. Can both exist at the same time?
I'm comfortable now and I'm making progress, but financially in standing still. Is that ok?
I've heard "chase the money and the women will follow." In reality "chase the money and the wall-hitting gold diggers will follow."
"Chase the money and x will follow" is the formula society gives you for attaining something.
Is a better formula "chase nothing but progress of the self, and x will follow"?
I'm confused and I'm trying to figure things out. Thanks a lot for your time.
[deleted] 8y ago
This thread, and specifically this post is exactly what I needed to hear right now. Time to get off my fucking ass.
always-be-closing 8y ago
You made more money at 14 than I did annually until I was 21, so, there's that.
Everyone is in some way or another.
I fundamentally believe though, that there are basic 'universal' tendencies.
In engineering, system complexity is always related to probability of system failure, in chemistry, the more mathematically distinct (and you can rigorously define it via group theoretic notions) arrangements, microstates, there are for molecule to assume, the more entropic it is - - from a fundamental statistical mechanics perspective, having more degrees of freedom in a statespace means exactly that.
The more outcomes there are possibly true, the more differentiation in outcomes you'll have.
In this vein, I believe there are simply large tendencies to the universe.
Differentiation of outcome based on available freedom is one.
Millions of hours of chemical investigation before and after Le Chatelier formulated his principle, have more or less laid out that "equilibrium" and the tendency of systems, dynamical systems, to have a repeating flux whose fulfillment is a return to balance - - giving a little more, taking a little away, is simply the way of things.
Equilibrium, yin and yang, etc. is another one.
What motivates it? Why is the degeneracy of energy levels in a system favored entropically?
is it simply mathematical likelihood?
I don't know; the nexus of information theory and statistical mechanics is possibly the most sophisticated and difficult field of human inquiry and entire fields of science from cryptography to microprocessor design are built on it.
But the tendency of entropy and the truth of complex systems inviting failure or at least more outcomes than a few ideal ones is there
Equilibrium is there - who knows from whence it is motivated.
In this way - - - I believe 'progress in the face of challenge', and the phenomenon of "threshold" and "impedance" are abundant in natural systems and mathematical abstractions of them, is another fundamental tendency of the universe, and the male reproductive drive is defined by them, in part.
I mean, look out our reproductive system; millions, billions of sperm produced but only one has its glycoproteins survive the acidic pH of the uterus to reach the egg, in a massive experiment of fitness, a decision tree of "made it, or didn't?", a brute force algorithm of survival driving our evolutionary path.
I don't know why the universe is like this.
I don't know what motivates r v. K in our biology.
But these basic tendencies are there, and being in tune with them seems to produce more optimal results than being ignorant of them.
animal_one 8y ago
Boom. Way to keep the ego in check.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
The Ultimate Cad knows that she is not "his" woman. It is just his turn.
yummyluckycharms 8y ago
Quick question:
Why doesnt your wife just divorce rape you, take your kids and half of everything, and shack up with boy toys for the rest of her life. Its not hard for her.
Its a big credibility hole here
[deleted] 8y ago
You exposed me. I live with my mom
yummyluckycharms 8y ago
Its okay - one day you'll be able to spread your wings and leave the basement.
MRPguy 8y ago
It's because she loves you for who you are and not for your power. But really, another great post with lots of insight.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yup, mom is the first and last one to love me for whom I am
[deleted] 8y ago
Hey, I'm in my mid 40's. Also had cheating wife and I have two kids. Kicked her ass out and spent next year as single dad while she just visited. Now she is back and even though we are divorced she does nearly all the housework and I go out whenever I want. Had many different types of relationships since then. More due to pick up than red pill as I only discovered the redpill 5 months ago. I prefer to avoid married women generally but am now in a casual doing one nighters as well. I am now going to the gym thanks to redpill and my kids always want to come with me. This will lead to a healthier lifestyle and better habits for my kids.
Not only has the redpill increased my success with women but it has changed my mental attitude extremely. Before redpill I was still getting oneitis for girls and making beta errors. Now I never break frame and the plates do as I say. I blast my way through shit tests by ignoring them, punishing her for even trying that shit with me or just agree and amplify (eg: married girl says " You treat me like a dog" response - I am going to bend you over and fuck you like a dog when I see you next). Redpill is full of good advice from older guys. OP and archwingers posts are some of the best. Make sure you listen to them younger guys because with age comes wisdom and experience. These guys are here to help you.
I am going to start doing some posts on money making and achieving your mission in life soon. I think this is one area which is very lacking in here. In fact I would love to see the mods add a flair called "Mission" or "Money". We should have as many of these posts as there is about body building and I think a new flair would really help. Stay tuned for some posts on making money and achieving your mission in life.
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks for the note, please flag me when you post so I can follow along
[deleted] 8y ago
Great points, its easy to let it go your head when you start having success and think its you. You recognized well that its anyone like you. However, very few people are awake so there aren't all that many like you.
[deleted] 8y ago
Thats my point, wake up and create your value. It doesnt exist naturally and even after you get "there"...you are not unique
MasterUm 8y ago
In this subreddit full of sexual strategy discussions, this is easily one of my favorite quotes. Mindful execution, game awareness, humility, "it's not my bicycle", everything right there. Bravo and thank you.
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks bro, took me a long time to reach this state.
trinitys_dildo 8y ago
This is one of my favourite posts ever. I don't even care about the formatting I hope the mods let it slide.
Have you tried adding weight to yourself when doing pull ups?
reigorius 8y ago
I believe mods, the elders and flaired posters are exempt of the formatting rule.
[deleted] 8y ago
What do you mean about the formatting? No, I don't do weighted pull ups. Not a bad Idea
Scroph 8y ago
Just a heads up : in case you didn't know about it, there's a "bodyweightfitness" subreddit that contains interesting variations to vanilla bodyweight exercices.
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[deleted] 8y ago
The struggle is real, currently in young proffesional capital of the world so there's only shit gyms here, have to do everything by dumbbells in my backyard.
IASGame 8y ago
I'm not an expert but it seems you can do pretty much anything worthwhile with just barbells + weight plates and body weight exercises.
IamGale 8y ago
This is a good reality check. None of us are really special despite what our plates might tell us. It's all about getting our shit together and constantly improving our SVM.
J_AsapGem 8y ago
This post needs to be given more credit, thank you for reminded us that bitches in shit, everyone once and a while we sometime " think " differently when they give us attention, but everything you wrote was spot on.
[deleted] 8y ago
It helped me get my thoughts organized and it seemed to make you think a bit...that's success all by itself
tits_out_forTheBoys 8y ago
I couldn't help but laugh to myself as I pictured all these soccer moms desperately competing for the attention of the Alpha dad during a birthday party for their kids. And when you think about it, all he really did was show his face, bounce, and then send out a couple texts. Just goes to show that when a man is actually worth a shit, it's hilarious how little effort it takes to make women compete for him. Beautiful execution, OP.
I'm starting to learn that similar to /u/Archwinger, /u/theultimatecad sets a great example for us younger guys that it's fully possible to make the best of a difficult situation (i.e. marriage) and still find ways to be happy. Except unlike Arch, /u/theultimatecad wishes that he hadn't married, and yet in spite of that, he's still fully capable of doing whatever / whoever the fuck he wants to do.
I think the takeaway for us young bucks is that a healthy self-interest and game-awareness is really all it takes to have beneficial relationships with the women in our life. By simply taking them off the pedestal & giving less fucks about them & giving more fucks about ourselves, women will desperately compete for us. Simple.
[deleted] 8y ago
Thanks dude, im all for LTRs. Just not marriage with today's tyrannical laws that effectively enslave a man from tossing a bad woman out.
NickCiufi 8y ago
Great statement.
Personal rant: I get sick of the constant dead horse beating regarding LTRs. The goal of any TRP man should be to be happy. Sometimes you're happy in a LTR. Sometimes a LTR sucks and being happy means ending it. Either way, TRP men do what they want and don't have hard and fast rules against stuff. We would all do well to remember that.
MightyTaint 8y ago
This so much. You sound like you're doing great OP, and I commend you. But I'm so sick of posters here thinking just because they hooked some tail they're some impressive shit. Pretty much all the tail we all get is due to two things, being fuckable enough (which can be easy as hell given the beta competition), and being present when they were looking for someone being fuckable. That's it.
[deleted] 8y ago
Funny, I am doing well yet the bluepill and even guys here on this very thread called me "bitter".
Bitter means you don't serve the feminine imperative I guess. Because there is no way you would just put yourself above a woman's needs UNLESS you are "angry"....that is the thinking people have today.
Our great granfathers were all "bitter" men
rpscrote 8y ago
ive noticed that too, a shitload of "Rp" guys on here that can't wait to call someone bitter or shit on "the anger phase" like they're too good for anger.
Anger gets shit done when channeled properly and anyone who's ever done it knows that.
MightyTaint 8y ago
You're going to hear from all types man. I just like that you could talk about your success and still be humble about it. It's all too often folks posting here think a little success means they deserve a lot of props and kowtowing. Gets old.
cover20 8y ago
This is a post I could put on my wall, or something. Excellent and full of wisdom.
RedDeadlift 8y ago
Ditto. Well written and to the point with solid RP truths.
reigorius 8y ago
I thoroughly enjoyed your post. Especially the message that a woman is not attracted to YOU, but to a guy LIKE you. Women fall in love with a mental construct of you. And that's about it.
Rather one of the biggest lies out there. And I highly doubt if women themselves are aware of their own fallacy. Yes, they'll say they love you. They'll say you're special and awesome. And that they'll never leave you, blabla. But the real you is also at times a weaksauce and that version of you they hate and loath. They love you for what you give them, but never you as a person.
So I understand the strong undercurrent of bitterness and
hateanger in your post. I hope it serves you well.[deleted] 8y ago
Women love how you make them feel, they certainly don't love you.
I'm not at all bitter (anymore). Life has never been so good
reigorius 8y ago
I guess it's me then, who is angry and bitter.
Damn.
ransay3277 8y ago
Great Post! I'm mid 50's myself and in very similar circumstances, although my kids are out of college and the house. What a lot of these younger guys need to take from this lesson is the "I'm not so special" mentality and to keep up with the fitness routine. By maintaining your health and frame, plating in later years is easy. And abundance of plates increases. When every other guy your age is 30 pounds over-weight, you become a plate magnet. Just don't let it get to your head!
NaughtyFred 8y ago
What is the age range of available plates in the 40's + 50's?
Does this rely on being the "genetic lottery" guy who looks 30 and still has hair, or just looking great compared to other 50 year olds?
ransay3277 8y ago
Hey NaughtyFred. I tend to plate women in their 40's - early 50's. Main reason is I am not interested in single moms with kids at home. (Or grandmas taking care of grandkids either.) Also you find they "don't swell, don't tell and happy as hell". Lastly, they realize their SMV has diminished and are naturally less demanding.
As far as looks and physical health is concerned, you don't need to have won the "genetic lottery". The key I have found is to be in shape. You don't have to be an Adonis, but you can't have a belly either. If your greying or balding, don't worry about dying it or hiding it. (No woman likes a comb over.) Just by being in shape for your age, you will be in the top 10% of your group. Just look at most 50yo men. Nuff said.
TheRecycledMale 8y ago
Swinging back around, have a few hours today to sit and read ... question: where is the over 50 (could be over 45 or 40 I guess) RP sub ... that's what I need ... I read BlackDragonBlog - but would like to read more, talk more, interact more with RP guys in my age range. They are really few and far between.
And I agree ... I'm not attracted to women much older to 45 ... most are "fat and lazy" still living with dreams of being a "hot girl" (if they ever were). I have met a few over 40 that fit the category of attractive (as I said above) I found one - but forgot the major leg of the stool - keep looking, keep talking, keep moving, keep playing.
[deleted] 8y ago
I am in my early 50's, similar situation, 2 plates: 41 and 36. In the past few years I have had short flings with women in their early to mid 20's.
If you hit the gym, and do a decent job with TRP you have whatever choice of age range you want. Personally I am not attracted to anyone older than 45.
TheRecycledMale 8y ago
Another 50+ male ...
To be honest, I forgot ... started down this path a few years ago, found a "great" woman about 2 years ago (45 at the time). I held my frame (at least a higher-beta frame) for about a year. Stopped seeing her for a while, had to get a few things done, when I started seeing her again, I had caught a full-blown case of the ONEitis bug. Luckily, since I had it so bad, she dumped me a few weeks ago.
I say lucky, because I had fully put on the blue goggles. Scary how that can happen.
NaughtyFred 8y ago
I'm in my late 30's, it'll take me to 40 to get the body (work in progress) and due to spending 10 years as a drug addict I won't have decent career/money till mid 40's (if ever) so I was curious as to what situation re plates I'll have, hence my asking.
[deleted] 8y ago
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The next best time is now
NaughtyFred 8y ago
Thanks for reminding me of that
[deleted] 8y ago
Good for you on starting. It doesn't matter how long it takes, your body will improve, so will your game, so will your state of mind.
Redneck001 8y ago
Hair is optional (as long as you shave it, no horeshoes!) A shredded 50 yo is sadly a special snowflake.
NaughtyFred 8y ago
How close a shave? Are we talking Jason Statham or Bruce Willis
Redneck001 8y ago
Bruce.
You can be bald, or balding. Bald is a choice, balding isn't.
Girls aren't attracted to hair. They're attracted to confidence.
[deleted] 8y ago
Bald and giving no fucks is fine.
Bald and insecure about it is a big fucking problem
Redneck001 8y ago
If a woman ever mentions my shaved pate, my standard is:
I fired my hair before it could quit.
stevredpill 8y ago
Let's take a moment to reflect. A couple things are required for this wonderful story to be possible. Here's two:
Take out any of the above facts and none of the post is possible.
Take this for example:
Good luck making that happen if you aren't the hottest 40 year old on the planet.
Take a moment to really think about what the scenario would be if he didn't invest in himself.
Now go and execute.
[deleted] 8y ago
I had to read your response twice to make sure I understand. I am not the hottest 40 year old on the planet. I do catch women looking every day, that took 18 months of clean diet and tons of gym time.
You got it. If you clean up the diet, lift and run hard, and apply self at work, have fun with friends then you can pick and choose from women.
They won't ALL like you but you only need a handful to get the ball rolling. There are millions of women who want to be swept off their feet by a strong man
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
This is just basic PUA. Look the best you can. Be confident and dominant. Make eye contact. Look for IOI's. Ignore the bitches who don't throw them, chat up the bitches who do with full abundance, IDGAF attitude. Then tell them where you will meet to fuck.
RedPillDad 8y ago
And yet, dread-worthiness is so essential to keeping a LTR/marriage healthy. The unaware guy who inevitably slides into betafication ruins it for his family. The wife turns bitter and dissatisfied, the kids drift aimlessly without a leader. Hard to get off that shitty path, and so easy to get lazy in a LTR thinking everything is stable.
[deleted] 8y ago
Great post. I am in my early 50's and in a similar situation, although my game is not as advanced as yours. Spinning 2 plates, hitting the gym and I have a great body (not just a great body for my age, fuck that); and my business has taken off thanks to my TRP attitude.
This post is a great post, especially the part where it says :
[deleted] 8y ago
Great FR bro. Look forward to reading more from you.
e: realized I've read a couple FR's from you, and went and read some more. Great stuff.
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gerwig 8y ago
Some good information hidden behind a lot of bragging.
[deleted] 8y ago
Yup, bragging how my wife cheated on me cause thats such a wonderful thing that I want everyone know. Cause cucks are respected
blacwidonsfw 8y ago
Hey man that was probably the catalyst, for me I am THANKFUL that happened. Who would have ever thought...
tits_out_forTheBoys 8y ago
You ain't a cuck. In my eyes you're a guy who owned up to his mistake (getting married to the wrong woman) and found a way to make the best of a difficult situation.
And then who decided to share his wisdom with us younger guys so that we can learn from your past failures & current successes.
Don't listen to this asshole. It's not his place to have a critique on your self-view. I personally would rather see more guys on here have a positive self-image like this. It's a sign of high value.
Also, men who are able to own up to their mistakes are certainly entitled to brag a little bit about their successes. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply projecting his own insecurities onto you.
gerwig 8y ago
I'm not projecting insecurities. The guy has good information and is doing well for himself, which is why I don't think "I'm fucking ripped and jacked at the same time" lines add anything.
mada0207 8y ago
Little bit of arrogence is ok . Let him do him :)
[deleted] 8y ago
It's necessary to give background. I've invested in myself, not some bitch, and that's the value I created that others want.
There are bigger, stronger guys for sure. I'm not looking to get my dick sucked for being fit, if you read my whole post you may get the moral that men are inherently worthless, we have to build our value, and even then.....we ain't Jack shit.