I am definetely rethinking marriage after this one. Thanks OP!

I keep seeing this stat which pretty much confirms everything I've thought all my life, and of course goes against everything feminism will tell you. This just makes it all the more hilarious that an older guy didn't want a relationship with me because according to him the fact I hadn't fucked enough previous men meant it wouldn't work out long term. If I had, the maturity fairy would have flown up my vagina and all would be well, somehow.

SJWs just adore pushing this experience for the sake of experience mantra but never seem to be better people for it. Never let reality get in the way of your pet beliefs!

I, for one, am thankful that sluts today are free to slut around.

It’s not the sex, specifically, that causes these women to be bad relationship and marriage material. It’s the type of woman they are. Promiscuous sex is a symptom of the fact that these women are shitty relationship prospects. Not the cause. Pleasure-seeking, selfish, little girls with no self-control who bring little to the table besides sexual availability, and have failed to develop as a mature human being as a result and have instead become entitled bitches – that’s the kind of woman who sluts it up.

If society shamed these women into pretending to be sexually conservative, more men would mistake them for reasonable relationship prospects, then get divorce-raped and cheated on. Our sex-positive society is a very useful tool for screening out sluts.

Its common sense. Think about it - you can choose between two cars. One has 170000 miles on it and the other one only has 40000. Obviously the higher mileage one is more likely to break down in the first year.

"no hymen no diamond"

Okay, I am prepared for an onslaught of downvotes, but...there are a lot of myths surrounding virginity, namely the hymen. The biggest myth being that it's a tissue that totally blocks off the vaginal canal and that it must be ripped or broken in order to do anything inside of the vagina, be it inserting a finger, penis or hell, tampon. This is wholly false. The hymen is actually a little fringe of tissue that surrounds the opening, and all women that have them (some women aren't born with one) keep them, regardless of sexual activity.

If you are too rough, the tissue can tear and subsequently bleed (though not always!), which is honestly where this "Virgins always bleed" mantra comes from- men care(d) little for women's sexual pleasure and some didn't even believe that women got pleasure from sex for a very long time, so this meant that they simply thrust in without a care, and often injured the woman.

Also, vaginae come in all different shapes and so do hymens; some women have a large, pronounced hymen that is more prone to being torn and some women have a smaller one to begin with.

The hymen is not and has never been an actually good measurement for virginity.

Its my belief that both women and men act primarly based on evolutionary instinct more so than "learned" behaviors. In the past women were oppressed and so were their evolutionary instincts. Now that women are not oppressed they are making choices that are more in tune with what nature intended.

I am not so sure if nature intended virgin marraige to be the norm for human procreation. A virgin woman, deciding at age 18-22 who she is going to reproduce and spend the rest of her life with does not seem like the strongest strategy in obtaining the best genetics and life partner.

Nature favors diversity. Women are riding the cock carasoul not because they are bad, but because they are constantly trying to get the absolute best genes they can. Its a perogative that is given to them by natural instinct. You cant blame a cat for clawing you when its irratated, and you cant blame free women from trying to get the best man they can.

Here's a pro tip.. Don't get married.

1. Date whoever you want.
2. Don't ever get married.
3. Profit.
4. Hooray?!

I would also say there are other variables at play here. I would like to see the happiness ratings of each demographic. Some people don't get divorced even when they should because of things like religious reasons or being incredibly stubborn. This obviously doesn't mean their lives are better.

I don't really understand the obsession with partner count. Don't get married period. The only exception is maybe if you want kids.

Someone should do a more comprehensive study on divorce rates.

Actually, not even comprehensive, just a super simple one that considers more factors.

Consider sexual partners, but also a number of other factors like religion, age, race, region, economic status, children (or number of), drug use and alcohol consumption.

Run a full linear regression with all the data. Then remove sexual partners, and run a partial regression.

If I had to put money down, I bet the partial regression is a better predictor. If that's the case, and sample size is big enough, we can actually say that sexual partners is just a confounding variable and just ignore it completely.

That is to say that maybe there is another variable that causes both sexual promiscuity and unhappiness with relationships, or one that causes sexual modesty and refusal to divorce (say religion perhaps). If that's the case you can just ignore the sexual partners variable, as other variables are a better predictor.

HA!!! well I'm in my 30s so the odds of me finding anyone with less then 20 are pretty slim.. guess I'll just have to pass on the marriage thing at this point

Not surprised in the slightest. We can't miss something we never experienced. You can't miss going to Paris if you've never been there.

The women who have riden the cock carousel, what makes us think they won't miss riding it again? Their word? lol. They don't stop riding the cock carousel because they had their fun and want to settle down, they stop riding the cock carouself because they can't anymore. Therefore, after they get married, it's likely they will want to ride it again. What is her husband going to do? Accept she is cheatting? Tie her down to a chair? Chastity belt? Get a divorce?

A slut will ALWAYS be a slut. If she can't slut around it is because she can't anymore.

Women want what everyone else wants. Men want what no one else has.

I'd like to see this factored for income-gap & income loss, not just assuming partner-count / past sexual activity is the only potential factor.

I'd bet money will have the biggest impact on divorce.

Since marriage is a class/beauty privilege, the poor and ugly are often encouraged to sleep around. Those who have already done so will try to drag others down to their level, in order to take them out of the running for all the classy partners they have disqualified themselves from.

I wonder if there is an inverse correlation with men, in that the more pussy a man has before settling, the longer his relationship will last.

I'd like the info regarding divorces divided into categories indicating whether prepubescent children were part of the family at the time of the divorce.

So just be picky. When you wanna join the bang train you find the woman who agrees. When you want to calm down you find your beta chick and chill. ezpz.

I find this link here very useful to identify how many partners a woman has

http://www.girlschase.com/content/how-many-partners-has-your-girlfriend-had-find-out-here

Related to LTR, look the Optimal Stopping Theory video on bbc ... and check out the Secretary Problem. If one applies this theory -- assuming a man could be 'looking' from 15 to 75 -- the optimal age to really get serious is around 35. Surprised?

This is great, but does anyone have any data (not behind a paywall) That mentions the correlation between how many partners before marriage a guy has and his success rates? I'm genuinely curious, because if I ever find myself bringing this up in a conversation, I would like to have evidence showing why this does, or doesn't, affect men as well.

Remember when someone claimed this on another subreddit and got hundreds of downvotes?

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So is the problem promiscuity or the dynamics of a monogamous society? Is monogamy the natural state for humans? As far as I remember marriage was invented more for property and wealth then love and chastity. Hell even "love" as Westerners think of it didn't develop until the Troubadours in the Middle Ages. So I have to wonder is the problem the promiscuity of women or the institutions of love and marriage? After all sex is exponentially older then marriage but marriage the thing that we are told to invest the majority of our lives and property on.

I just think that it's weird how sex is treated in this supposedly "sexually liberated" society. We are so schizophrenic about it, it's the holy grail and the poison apple all at the same time (specially in the seduction and RedPill subs).

I often wonder does monogamy make sense or is it merely an invention of the ruling class to keep control of their subjects? Kings, celebrities, politicians, religious leaders all of them the most promiscuous fornicators in our society and yet they are the ones that promote true love, marriage, and commitment. Because the more people are tied to one person the more little boys and girls there are for these perverts to defile. Not in a tinfoil hat way more in a take advantage of the situation way. How it might have happened; as tribes break down men and women form pairs and family's to help transition from nomadic to pastoral, alphas recognize this as a great leverage tool not just to limit the competition for mates but also as a way to threaten violence on a weaker females to get a strong male to stand down, then priest and kings promote this idea to the masses while maintaining their sexual freedom and dominance.

TL;DR - Maybe the problem isn't sex it's the institution of marriage and the emphasis on monogamous pair bonding.

tl;dr Bang sluts, but don't marry sluts

I see this being more about times changing rather than a direct correlation to longevity of marriage. Divorces are increasing as well as the amount of partners that people have. I'm sure this study done in 1970 would look black and white different compared to the current results.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a supporter, however this looks more like propaganda or scare tactics than anything else. People are individuals, judging them with a mass generalization is sure to deliver promising results. (Sarcasm).

Relationships can still work, be weary of the potential outcome but judge each situation independently.

I agree with the original post but I would like to note if your dick game is amazing / better than her previous partners and you keep that alpha frame. She won't be headed to find other dick.

With good dick you'll be the reason for their discontent without you.

TL:DR Lower is definitely better, but don't fret if she's had 1-3 partners. Just outsex them and make them insignificant.

No hymen no diamond. Simple and to the point. I like it.

The very highest chance at a successful marriage, using sexual history alone, is to have a virgin bridge.

That's most likely what's called a "spurious correlation" in statistics. Virgin brides aren't less likely to divorce because they're more loyal, but because the vaaaaaast majority of brides who are still virgins when they marry come from highly religious backgrounds that frown on divorce (if you're lucky, if you aren't the may kill you for it).

Sure, a virgin bride with that background probably won't leave you or divorce rape you, but you won't be more likely to be happy with her.

Women who have had lots of alpha fucks become alpha widows, who are never satisfied because their very definition of "alpha" or "most attractive" is always changing depending on their emotional state.

Women with lower numbers will view you as both their bucks AND their fucks. If you fulfill your role as a provider, she will connect that with alpha fucks more. Thus, the virgin girl at 19 viewing you as her whole world and being more dedicated.

On the other hand, women who have rode the cock carousel can NEVER connect bucks with fucks. They're always separate. Always. Thus, if you take on the role of beta bucks, you can NEVER be her alpha fucks.

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I'd really like to see the R2 of the underlying regressions, otherwise all these percentages are just meaningless numbers.

I hear it said often that if you were ever to LTR a girl, wait until she's finished with the cock carrousel so she can "get it out of her system".

That's backwards; if you want to LTR a girl you have to get her before she rides the CC.

Married the town bicycle, then years later married a virgin I deflowered when she was 21. Divorce rate is 100% for me. Not because I chose the wrong women, not because there is something weak or horrible about me, but because there is no obvious downside to a woman filing the papers to be awarded cash and prizes. They are encouraged to divorce and jump on the carousel in an effort to find "happiness" and they never end up happy after the divorce, so they do it again to collect more cash and prizes.

The laws are fucked up, society and the laws encourage female hypergammy, women take the option far too easily because they aren't paying for it in the right now. What they don't realize is they will pay for it later. Both of my ex wives are paying for it now, the bicycle ex is pissed at me because our kids are of age and she doesn't get any more child support. Short sighted like most women, and if her loser husband leaves before they're married ten years, she gets nothing.

I'm going to go against this advice given as I'm a big advocate of self improvement.

Date these women if yourself starting out. Why? You're inexperienced, it'd be like a concentrated redpill shot.

Fall In love with them and quickly realise that you're in competition with every other man she's been with. That will motivate you to better yourself if you want to keep a girl like that around. Seriously as backwards as this advice is, if you're staring out or inexperienced go with it.

wait a minute

Assuming on principle that 20% of males are alphas(I would bet it's lower because electricity) That means that a lot og betas get married to.

Now, I agree that a virgin will stick around. But I disagree that it will be a happy marriage. Durrability doesn't mean it's good. It means you're both to chicken shit scared to actually have a run at something good.

I'm still so confused on how TRP works? Are you looking for wives or just sex? Are you the male version of feminists? Sorry, for jumping off topic.

As for the correlation, it would have been much more informative if they would have included the men, just to see if they impacted divorce rates similarly.

I'm already married but I've never taken statistics very seriously. Unless, there is a decent study to back it.

Religious upbringing is probably more correlated to this study than sexual partners.

Every single slut on the planet has terrible decision making skills, lack of self respect and lack of femininity. Not surprised at all they make terrible wives and the divorce rate is so high with em. When you think about it, their total existence is incredibly pathetic. They think men like them because we fuck them, when in reality we laugh at how pathetically easy they are. Whether it be 2014 or 355BC, the town whore has always good for an easy fuck and something to hook your mates up with. But other than that you just smile at how filthy and degenerate they are.

no hymen no diamond

Don't care about the underlying logic but the rhyme is undeniably beautiful

I hear it said often that if you were ever to LTR a girl, wait until she's finished with the cock carrousel so she can "get it out of her system". While this seems like a logical argument, this is terrible advice.

Nah, LTR a girl before she gets it INTO her system.

"It" is alpha seed from other men.

Jesus, this is bro-science.

Anyone who understands statistics please tell me what the resulting R2 is at the end of this article: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-murder-and-the-meaning-life/201401/how-many-premarital-sex-partners-should-you-have

Works out to less than 3%.

That means that, while you can pick a virgin, there's about 34 other factors that will have her lusting over the pool boy rather than you. Of course, unless you work on YOURSELF.

And that's the shit that drive me crazy about this meme, it give credence to the people who think we are a bunch of autistic neckbeards. I just imaging guys with unicorn hunting algorithm spreadsheets open, beta-backsliding -- no, omega backsliding their lives into oblivion wondering where all the good women have gone.

Look fellas, there are no attractive 1 partner-count women out there. You want a 10 or even a 7? She's had at least 7 guys. Don't believe me? That's because you've never heard a woman say, "I've never done this before!"'

Believe the data says otherwise? That's because your innumerate.

If I were to guess, I would say this correlation exists because conservative women make better wives.

Any stats people here laugh at this post besides me? I mean...I'm pretty sure the DIRECT CORRELATION isn't showing cuasality.

I love prostitutes...for 30 minutes.

Just curious, does this apply to men as well?

As unredpill as it is, I do see myself eventually wanting to get hitched and "settle down" (with a rock solid prenup of course, I know some very good lawyers) . Mainly because I want kids and chasing poosy gets exhausting.

But I wonder if I'm destined to for divorce due to my own unhappiness the more notches I accumulate. Not that it's gonna change my behaviour. I just don't want to be surprised if I get bored quickly in the future if I do make the dangerous move that is marriage.

It looks like three groups sort of emerge.

Women with 0 prior sexual partners are the most likely to be in a stable marriage at an astounding 80%+.

Women with 1-4 partners do worse than women with 0, but better than those with more. Success rates are slightly above 50%.

After 5 partners, the success rate dips below 50%, and after 10 it drops below 30%!

For a gambling sort of man, the hard limit seems to be at about 4-5 previous partners before the odds dictate the game not worth playing.

The question is, these days how many partners does the average woman have by the time she gets married? We will never know for sure, even using anonymous studies, as women will lie to themselves (and believe it) to get that number down.

Have fun finding your virgin brides, guys. I'm sure they are hanging out on the same island as Tupac and Biggie.