An American doctor (or European) is part of the top .001% of income earners in the world.
The FUCKING PRIVILEGE of ANYONE who can laugh that shit off makes me sick. They have no FUCKING CLUE what they're talking about.
These fuckers actually vote. They vote in elections and determine the fate of the nation. And they think that, unless you can live off a preset amount of money from birth, your money isn't a factor.
Edit: Emphasis on the number 1, not the number of 0s, or my math skills
I was skeptical about the 1 in 10 million myself (700 people is tiny, and in all fairness, doctors aren't that far up there in the top 1%), so I decided to work out the numbers myself.
The average endocrinologist living in a major metropolis in the USA actually makes slightly less than 250k annually. This is including bonus. (You can check more localized numbers through payscale, salary.com, or any number of other resources).
As a single filer, that puts him at around the 1% percentile in the US.
There's roughly 22-23 times more people in the world than there are people in the US. We round that up for the most liberal estimate possible.
If we assumed everyone in the rest of the world outside the US was too poor to contest (not true, but close enough), that would put him at the top 0.044%... roughly within the top 0.05% in the world.
Not bad, but honestly, these things should be localized for comparisons, due to cost of living and other relativistic considerations.
250k isn't going to look as impressive in Manhattan or the Silicon Valley where you actually can bump into young entrepreneurs who happen to be multi-millionaires, on the street, daily.
Note that that higher salary comes with many more years of schooling (less time to save, more debt, less opportunity for investing, less 401k/IRA accrual, etc), so becoming a doctor isn't usually the best financial decision. The people I know who became doctors did so also for the status/prestige and even the genuine desire to care for people's health.
It also depends on what kind of doctor. A family doctor gets paid around 200k or even less. An anaesthesiologist can easily go over 400k+.
All that being said, I agree with the sentiment that top commentor women are just being hostile towards the OP. There obviously will be status-seekers and gold-diggers who go after doctors. It doesn't have to be "old money"; it's not like 250k is a drop in the bucket.
Lower down the comment chain though, some of them make a fair enough point. E.g.
A lot of men with a lot of money date women simply because the women are beautiful. When you don't bother to look for people with good character, you're likely to spend time with people of bad character.
Dude, if you become a doctor, all the respect in the world. Too much sacrifice; i wouldn't have the patience for it. If you want to use the title to your advantage in the social market place, more power to you.
The main reason I quoted that 2nd place comment is because it's fair and actually makes sense. All she's doing is implying the same stereotype that "A lot of men only look for women who are physically beautiful" (in contrast to gold-diggers who only care about a man's wallet), which a lot of people here even agree with.
There's also something to be said about likelihood of finding someone of bad character (if you care about LTRs) if you're focused only on physical beauty or only on money.
You start very late as a doctor. Say, around 30. You also have a lot of debt to pay back. You're also paying almost 80k in tax from that 250k.
Usually, your payment to debt is higher priority than investing, as the average investor is far from beating the rates he pays on debt (with the exce. So they have to wait even longer, after paying off those debts, before starting to invest. By then, others who had already started working in their early 20's are getting significant returns already (capital gains, lower tax rate).
Long work hours. Less time for side-projects (e.g. real estate). Specialized connections. This is aside from the fact that you've invested about 12 of the better years of your youth into that.
As a purely financial decision, there are better options (unless we're talking certain specialists like orthopedic surgeons and anaesthesiologists -- they actually bring in some serious cash). Becoming a doctor is more than just the money. It's about the status/reputation and genuine desire to help people.
The wealthier youth I know tended to have gone to school for engineering, came out of school, joined startups (or started their own business -- yeah, it's a risk), and became multimillionaires after a few years, well before age 30. Worked for a younger sibling even. Barely 23, and he can basically retire now.
I wasn't as talented or diligent, and haven't reached that point yet, but even I don't envy doctors for their salary (when you tie it to the sacrifices they make). I respect their title/reputation.
Exactly! Ive been saying the same thing whenever a thread pops up about doctors.. Doctors are over glorified and becoming one is over-rated. I hope you enjoy sacrificing 12 years of your life, hard work and long hours. It is certainly not a career path I would pursuit if my end goal was to become handsomely rich and retire early.
In fact, the absolute blue pill job is to become a doctor. Is it any surprise that women see doctors are the perfect beta provider?
You are far better off trying out as a business owner. You don't even need a degree. Sure, certain degrees help. Its not necessary to own one.
It sure as fuck does have an effect. Is it a coincidence that our populace is the least intelligent it's ever been while the administration is performing the worst it ever has? fuck no. People voted in November, and they voted on things like gay marriage, gays in the military, "binders full of women", and various forms of free shit from the government. We ignored scandals like Bengahzi and Fast and Furious. We ignored our debt. We ignored our unemployment and other economic performance numbers. We ignored the fact that QE3 basically pumps imaginary money into the economy at a rate that we cannot even print using $100 bills. We ignored the billions in currency has been shat out of the Fed into no more than ten or so banks that virtually run as a cartel where their biggest customer is the government. We basically said "fuck you" to capitalism.
So what did that determine for our nation? We wanna stay poor as long as we got our video games, gay sex, and govt benefits.
Pretty big decision there. Let's see how it plays out...
Okay sure I was vague in my last comment, what I mean more specifically is that the real underlying and unifying causes for many of the social problems faced by most people in America are rarely addressed by politicians, such as the huge gap in social inequalities, and having a defence budget of global conquest proportions. The politicians instead just try to put some band-aids on gaping wounds via some new health care bill, some innovative educational reform, a new drug policy, etc. just to show their public that they are in fact great leaders that have been getting shit done like they promised during their campaigns; even though most of the problems could be better solved by tackling them at a deeper root level, but of course they're barred from doing so by forces bigger than themselves.
Lastly, I just want to make it clear, I'm not even criticising these politicians, nor am I suggesting that there are some shadowy group of faceless men plotting conspiracies in back rooms. This is just the reality of the American democratic system as I see it, it's an inherent flaw in the way the whole machine runs, and its inertia alone is enough to not only keep it going, but likely exacerbate the problems in the future.
A lot of what you're talking about is high visibility national level politics. Voting makes a huge difference at more localized levels. I'm sure you intuitively know that without any need for us to discuss it.
As for the social inequality on the national level, it might sound strange to Europeans, but Americans actually vote for that. I know people making 3 times less than me annually who are considerably more fiscally conservative than me. There are countless studies you can find comparing American and European attitudes. Americans generally have a more positive view of the rich/wealthy.
(Tangent: I was going to lump Canada with Europe, but I actually have close ties to Canada and see a lot of attitudes changing. It's rather unnerving how different teen and young adult Canadians have changed since I was last living there. Probably has something to do with the tar sands and associated propaganda.)
Americans voted and got what they want. Remember that Reddit is populist. It'll give you a populist cross-section of the American population who care more about social inequalities. As long as people aren't literally starving in the streets, you'll never have lower to lower-middle class banding together over shared economic interests (e.g. rednecks side with ghetto dwellers).
Remember half of at least 500k for the rest of your life without having to lift a finger is not a bad deal, it is like a lottery annuity. The only work that is required is the occasional laying on your back.
Because he has to work many hours as a surgeon you do not need to spend much time with him, just spend as much of his money as you can.
I loved the one woman in their claiming she had literally never met a gold digger in her life. Ten bucks says she's either a shut-in, delusional or has never had friends. Possibly all 3.
The issue for doctors only making 225 a year are the student loans. I'm a Software Engineer and I almost bring in that much a year with significantly less loans, no need for malpractice insurance and I don't work 70 hours a week.
Yes, 225k is certainly not peanuts. But, I've worked with doctors before. Most younger doctors I know have huge student loan payments, annual license fees, recertification fees, training fees, etc. They also pay a shit load for malpractice insurance. They don't do quite as well as one may think.
" mere " only relative to the work you put in to get there. People smart enough to be doctors could just of easily spent 4 years in compsci and been at 225 with a small fraction of the debt and about 10 years of paid work. He was probably 25 or 26 at the youngest before he was even starting to earn any money to put towards all the medical school debt he accumulated.
The difference is the prestige. Software engineer doesn't get the reaction out good doctor friend here gets with the D word as he calls it. There's a very specific negative association that comes with it based on pop culture icons of software companies. Whereas doctors in pop culture are Greek gods with hair better than most women ;)
its upper middle-class. its pretty comfortable. id say wealthy but not rich. just cause their practice might be in a place like newport beach doesnt mean they live in the exact same area.
There are parts that are "richer" like ocean front(Newport Dana point Laguna...) To poorer (Anaheim, Santa Ana, Orange) to in between (fullerton, Westminster )
I lived and went to school in the OC for over a decade. Non concurrently for most of that. It is expensive cost of living, but waaaaaaay nicer than Los Angeles county.
There are a lot of Asian areas (little Saigon, etc) and upper middle class white areas (yorba Linda, placentia) - and the worst areas are still better than the "middle class" areas in LA county like whittier and Downey and Santa fe springs (named after the locomotive company)
If you can do that, it's probably cheaper and less risky to do so.
With that kind of money you can import a virgin teenage HB10 from any place on the planet you want.
Probably not any place on the planet you want. Unless you literally just want a sex doll/slave, I assume you'd at least have to pick from a place where English fluency is common (unless you can speak the language). The poorer the country, the less likely that will be.
On the flip side, the wealthier the country, the less likely a "virgin teenage HB10" will be willing to emigrate just to marry some guy in the US making "a mere 225k" who is only "above average" but not extraordinary in his neighbourhood. If she can work a web-cam, is digitally aware, and is actually an HB10, she shouldn't have many problems attracting wealthy enough guys in her own country without wanting to move to a completely different place away from her friends/family.
You'd want to meet this person first before such a major commitment. That means paying for flights and other costs.
You'd have to marry her to keep her in the US, since she's more likely to be undereducated and unlikely to be working. Once she gets her citizenship, there's a risk of divorce. This is California we're talking about (Orange County, remember), so in the event of divorce, you'll be paying her over 75K out of that 225k after it has been taxed annually for every 2 years of marriage. (See spousal support calculator)... I estimate you'd be taxed about 80k-90k federal and state first, so you'd be left with 60k-70k. If you stayed married for 10 years, this could last for life. Prenups might not even save you from this, depending on the situation (and mail-order brides who don't have English fluency could be that situation). Again, this is California we're talking about.
For so many more reasons that I won't bother listing: If you just want to use that money for sex, and that's it, it's cheaper and ironically safer to get a prostitute.
It works for some of my coworkers/colleagues, who are Indian, but that is mainly because they have family connections in India helping them set up arranged dates/marriages. It's not like they can just pick any "virgin HB10" from anywhere in the world, even when some of them DO make 200k+.
I'm not criticizing or trying to discourage you, but I do want to point out that careful decision-making is why some people got to that income level in the first place, and why they stay there. There are many reasons mail-order brides aren't a lot more common than they are.
1) Get a prenup for sure. That solves your worst fears.
That's what I just talked about. In the case of imported wives, there's a power imbalance that could very well render a prenup unenforceable. You might want to talk to a good lawyer first.
2) If you want to have kids with her and avoid a greater chance of divorce with massive child support, get out of OC and move somewhere more isolated. Country neighbors will not turn your foreign wife into an Ameriskank, and the country is really where you want to raise children anyhow.
If you move somewhere more isolated, you're not going to be making 225k per year anymore.
Yeah, but that can be pretty common depending on where you live. In California, even people making only 200k will test their luck buying million dollar houses.
Just a quick comment, since TheReddPill is supposed to be grounded in evolutionary science. "Money" didn't exist when humans evolved, and probably neither did valuable items. From a biological point of view it makes much more sense for women to be attracted to status then to income. And when they're attracted to the latter it's mostly because having lots of money gives somewhat higher status in our society.
Of course, a woman may make the conscious decision to marry someone rich. But we're talking about attraction here, and I have to say the reactions in the linked post look a lot more like reactions to high status than anything else.
Money has pretty much always existed. Money is just a an abstract form of trading stuff and ressources and services, which in turn can lead to better quality of life. Do you tell me that in old days all men had equal amounts of stuff and ressources and services to trade?
We diverged from the chimpanzee some 6 million years go. Babylon started using silver as a very primitive form of money some 3000 years ago. Until then, there was no concept of "rich". Actually even today some funny thing happen when primitive societies in places like New Guinea develop quickly. When somebody makes a lot of money (by getting in contact with the developed world somehow) he is obligated to share his fortune with his extended family. Not to do so would be on a level of faux pas equal to asking your in-laws to pay for dinner at your place.
Status on the other hand is something even monkeys get very well, let alone great apes.
Your right women are attracted to a male with status. That usually goes hand in hand with having a lot of resources abundant crops, land, etc. Money is just the latest resource. However, you could have one or the another and they still be attracted to you. I.E. money but your a dopey beta with little social status. Or status I.E. police officer that makes average money.
This has actually been documented, there is a documentary "science of sex appeal" on netflix made by discovery channel. They show women pictures of men and have women rate them on a scale of 1-10. When the women are told the men are wealthy the scores go way up.
2nd comment talking about how lying to women is bad...
Men must lie to women at some point if we're going to be around them at all. Women hate knowing the truth, because they've based their entire lives and identities on a series of lies - you are special, you deserve free stuff, every man should treat you like a princess, god or government or daddy is looking after you. They want to live in their bubbles of protection and ignorance, and as men we're more than happy to oblige, but god forbid you ever fail to shield a woman from reality and she catches a glimpse of the truth. She'll hate you for it. Just look at how much hate TRP gets simply for discussing the realities of human sexual dynamics.
The average two-income family makes 43k a year. The majority of Americans bring home less than 30k a year.
And those stupid little children want to make me believe that no woman anywhere could possibly get wet for under 1 million a year? Who the fuck do they think they're kidding?
Rationalization Hamster - The tendency for women to use rationalization to resolve mental conflict and avoid cognitive dissonance. The core mechanism that allows women to say one thing and do a different thing.
This should be put on the sidebar as a explanation of the "hamster" mentality.
Both are they trying to shame him for doing the test, and then this :
"Doctors are awesome to me because of their education, level of commitment to their job, the work and intellect and effort it takes to get there. Money doesn't come into it."
Testing your dates by essentially lying to them is shady, and will likely put off a woman who actually cares about you as a person instead of just about your job.
Oh that's golden. He basically makes it all about him and his personality but doesn't get any bites until he mention he's a doctor, but this fine specimen is trying to tell him that they don't like him because he tested him. Hilarious.
Doctors are awesome to me because of their education, level of commitment to their job, the work and intellect and effort it takes to get there. Money doesn't come into it. Hells, I assume most young docs have a ton of student loans to pay off
Oh, give me a break. Does she honestly believe that anyone believes this bullshit?
As a medical student, I'm so glad I know the red pill. Bitches wouldn't give me the time of day before I got into med school (5'5 guy), but now that I'm almost a Doctor their vaginas tingle when they hear medicine, can't imagine what it will be like when I'm a doctor.
I get pushed away because of my height even though I'm well travelled (100+ countries), well dressed, work out 10-15 hours a week, meditate, speak 3 languages, have 8+ years of university experience, confident as fuck, can beat the shit out of 99% of guys out there (long history of martial arts), but when I say I'm a medical student/doctor they will perk up, when I display any of the other stuff I'm good at they don't give a shit because it doesn't involve money.
when I say I'm a medical student/doctor they will perk up, when I display any of the other stuff I'm good at they don't give a shit because it doesn't involve money.
This is the meat of the matter : the total stupidity of it. They're not only parasitic and solipsistic : they're retarded. Like animals or children who only see the gifts they can grab.
As a medical student...but now that I'm almost a Doctor their vaginas tingle when they hear medicine
I'm in the same boat. Seeing girls, that I hadn't seen in years, over XMas break worked out quite well for me. As soon as I mentioned medical school, it was on. My only problem is that I actually want to talk science with people or explain to them how difficult it actually is, but they don't know shit about science, nor can they conceive that it's any harder than their BA in Journalism was. I digress.
I'm well travelled (100+ countries)
Whaaaat? I can't even name 100 countries. Good for you.
I'm glad you're into TRP already. You're gonna be a fuckin' serious lady killer when you graduate with a medical license under your belt and a head full of the reality of the sexual marketplace.
Fair enough. Just noticed your name, all makes sense now. Oh, in addition to being full of yourself, it sounds like you're also full of shit. So you've been to 100 countries, speak 3 languages, have a "long history" of martial arts? You've been to over half of the countries in the world? Lemme guess, your parents were spies and they just brought you along on all of their missions, and taught you two languages and martial arts in the process?
Reading the other thread you made on here 2 months ago confirms that you are in fact a total piece of shit.
Recently I've decided to start saying what I think and being honest when girls ask me question, so I regularly tell girls to shut up, their too fat, they need to hit the gym, they need to squat, that dress is not flattering etc. etc., A lot of the time I get you're such an asshole and a punch and a laugh but some girls are getting pretty offended and I've started to build a small reputation as an ass-hole.
I only have one fuck buddy but I'm too swamped with school (medical student) to actually go look for more.
What's your opinions on being too harsh/mean/direct, how do you guys counteract it at the same time or limit it?
Sounds like a great dude. Apparently, honesty is unbearable to some, mostly vaginas. I dont see how that can be seen as "being a total piece of shit" except for someone who must be really fucked up.
He doesnt do anything mean, he doesnt fuck with them, he doesnt bully, nor demean, nor entrap, he just talks bluntly to strangers or girls he has little involvement with. What's the big deal ? Does it hurt your worldview ?
I can't help wondering if women really believe their lies. This doctor has just discovered an ugly truth. I hope his next step is just going for whomever has the hottest body and stop trying to get to know them. Don't try to get a "quality" woman, it's largely pointless.
AFC, butthurt: it's like I'm looking into my own past.
If you're basing all of your behaviour on instinct you're heading down the wrong path to begin with. Nobody here hates that women are attracted to status, we hate that they don't have the decency or introspection to admit it, that they still vehemently believe in Disney-like fantasies of life and love and that they'll shame men ruthlessly for finding beauty an important factor.
For a new person to come and learn all of this stuff it'll create an understandable amount of anger. Calling them an AFC just makes you seem juvenile, arrogant and, quite frankly, stupid.
I get the impression much of the disgust is appropriately directed at the posters in that thread who try to deny him his discovery and mislead him into believing that female attraction is all about his displayed commitment and not also about the money and status.
Blatant lying is hard enough to stomach from an individual but when it's done by a group to a person who seems fairly vulnerable and when the lies are designed to lure him into multiple alimony payments within 20 years then you're going to see people here react.
It's like they're trying to punish him for daring to try to discover the truth. He's like a slave who's heard the good news about the liberated world. The slave owners discover that he's been having these thoughts of freedom, so they whip him savagely and tell him it's wrong to try to snap out of the illusion.
This. Also, they're trying to make everyone believe their bullshit, especially males, in order to brainwash and manipulate them into being preyed upon.
Why are you all getting butthurt because she sees the potential money he can make? That's just instinct – and you can't hate women for it because women are programmed to find men that can provide for them.
It's adverse selection. The ones going for him the hardest are the worst LTR material.
It's OK to ask for the ability to provide. I have no problem with fulfilling the role of a provider, but I am no sponsor of an extravagant lifestyle.
Not sure there are any legal implications. What are they?
Impersonating a cop is bad because cops have powers to arrest people that others do not. Impersonating a doctor should be OK as long as it isn't a medical situation and you're not suggesting any medical treatment.
When I was younger, I was more academically inclined, and not so athletic. I had very low self-worth at this age, and I came to believe that I would have to excel academically to get a good job just to get a quality woman, because, why else would a woman even want me, other than as a beta provider? Now, that is some LOW self-esteem, when you think about it, because it means you have to spend your youth becoming someone's slave in order for them to like you, and the irony is, they won't even like you! They will secretly resent and despise their dependency on you, and blame you for holding them back, even though it's only their own fear, sloth and inertia. I'm speculating on this last bit as to why women would hate men that provide for them.
Anyway, so I managed to obtain a professional degree, which, if you completely lack scruple, could be a license to pump and dump, because all you have to do is subtly flaunt your status, lead them on a bit, and then on to the next. Except, what destroys attraction for you is the knowledge that they don't really like you, they like the perks and benefits that your status can bring THEM. Women will suck up to because of what you can do for them. The laundry list of benefits are numerous, but why not: bragging rights to their friends, enemies and rivals (same thing?), feeling of superiority to other women, material benefits, etc. etc. Some experiences: seeing the difference in how all women react to you when you put on a smart suit versus when you're just walking around in jeans and a T-shirt, having random people throw their daughters at you, having new acquaintances try to kiss you on the mouth when you're just trying to say goodbye, etc. etc.
Another thing I've noticed: how long does it take for a woman to ask what you do? Does she ask you as soon as she meets you, or does she ask you after she feels some attraction to you? If the latter, how long does it take? Who opens the conversation door? You or her?
Here's another anecdote. When I was learning to dance, I went to a dance studio and there were a lot of mid to late twenties female instructors there. Most were engaged or married, but there was one who wasn't who I thought was kind of cute. I flirted a bit with her, but only mildly so because I don't believe in doing that to someone while they are working, but I remember asking her once what she had done over a month where she hadn't been around, and she just said "Nothing." because it seemed like she was trying to nip my "advances," which were very mild, in the bud. So, I shrugged and backed off. Then, some weeks later, someone I know mentions that I am a lawyer in her presence, and I swear to god, I actually could almost see gears spinning right next to her head. She literally stiffened when she heard this information, and her face got this kind of calculating expression. After that, she hit on me no less than three different times, but it was like, weeks later, almost as if, she was trying to put distance between those two events. Needless to say, I stayed the hell away from her because the dichotomy between the before and after was very disturbing.
Other girls I would be paired up with in class (lots of homely girls in dance classes, unfortunately), upon eliciting what I did for a living, would then keep bringing it up over and over again, and asking lots of follow-up questions. They were pretty transparent.
I confess, that this issue gives me anxiety. I suppose if I didn't want to raise a family, I wouldn't care less, but unfortunately, I do, despite what lots of people on here say.
Finally, the commenters are pissed at the doctor because he's basically exposing a side of themselves that they would rather keep hidden, so they have to attack him to deflect attention from themselves. I mean, what are they going to say, "Yes, we're money grubbers."
how long does it take for a woman to ask what you do?
Or if you rent or own your place. Last time I answered the bitch "Ah! How feminine of you to ask this question!" and she of course replied "Oh no I'm not materialistic at all, you're mistaken !" in a tone of sincere surprise.
Yet only women ask that question. I can meet men all day and none will ever be interested in knowing if I own or rent. But women ? Very commonly.
I confess, that this issue gives me anxiety. I suppose if I didn't want to raise a family, I wouldn't care less, but unfortunately, I do, despite what lots of people on here say.
You're gonna get creamed. This isn't a warning, this is an attitude advice. Accept it : you're a man, you want children and a committed relationship with a woman, she will cream you for what you've got. Dance the dance. Try keeping your own, try getting your interest out of the ordeal, savor the good, bear the bad. The goal is children, remember. Try reading up on "married game" and stuff like that. Apply TRP to your couple life and it might help : acting like the male lead and not the beta pathetic waste excuse:)
It's not THAT bad, it hopefully won't :) I guess I was somewhat lucky. I'm bitter and misogynistic as a result, but I cant say I've been stomped on.
The prize is the love of your children. If she and her hivemind touch this, all bets are off. I support murders, bombs and nuclear arsenal deployments.
I must admit I always steer the fuck clear of ho's except to fuck a little with them when they try to hustle me for drinks...
But I do have an amazingly hot pivot with clear-cut ho traits, so I frequently pimp her out when we're rolling together. The bulk of the following observations are based on my dealings with her as well as the ho's I've come across in the clubs:
-Ho's dress for the symps. Meaning they'll look sexy but as opposed to the freak a ho will try to attract a "provider" rather than a "lover" so their outfits are less slutty and more classy.
-Bling! Never seen a ho without expensive jewelry. Bracelets and pendants, ear-rings and chunky stones on the finger are the order of the day. ("Gifts" from admirers, no doubt!)
-"Buy me a drink!" If you hear that line coming out of the mouth of a girl you met less than a minute ago, she's a ho.
-"Let me buy you a drink!" If you hear that line coming out of the mouth of a girl you met less than a minute ago she's a REALLY, REALLY GOOD ho. Watch out!
-Ho's never leave the bar for long. You'll find your garden variety ho hanging out in close vicinity to the bar at all times as this is prime fishing waters for generous chumps hoping to score with the sexy ladies that just happens to be located conveniently near the 300$ champagne, lol.
-Ho's are DIRECT. Their pussy is the tool of their trade and time is money. The instant a ho realize you can't be chumped, you're DUMPED. Ho's are also very vulnerable to game as they themselves are never gamed; they do all the gaming normally.
-Ho's are NOT gonna allow you to game them when they're working, so find out when they're on their own time. This is when they're open to being gamed.
DO's and DON'Ts around ho's:
-DO make her understand you're a High Value Male whose value is so much higher than hers that she should be thankful you'll even spend time chatting with her.
-DO cultivate an "insider-mentality" with ho's as in "Yeah, I know what's up with you.. I'm not buying, but I'll help you land a symp to skin so we can split the loot.." Then befriend her by making fun of the dudes buying you two free drinks. (Us vs. Them bubble).
-DON'T buy a ho a drink!!! (Duh.) And don't do any favours, demand favours from her instead. If she's asking for a light, make her pass you a coaster for your drink or a cigarette from her pack, etc. Basic compliance.
-The Ho litmus-test: Tell her you just lost your job and that you're living on a buddy's couch for a few months until you get back on your feet and watch the ho do an instant back-turn only to never acknowledge your existence again.
Also, you can screen out hoes when they say things like the following (they always will):
For gold digger with no subtlety:
"I've been having money problems."
For bitches with some subtlety:
"I have a friend who's going into (whatever kind of business you're in). Does that pay well?"
And then people wonder why their wife starts to not fuck them after marriage/kids, and it's especially confusing because the sex was so good during courtship and engagement. It's can become a chore if you're not actually attracted to that person. How many men are caught in such a web? Who knows.
I almost went on a date with this one girl a relative was trying to set me up with. Then I had second thoughts. I queried the relative and asked them if they told the girl what I did for a living. The relative, a woman, promptly with, "Why, yes I did," and then she listed the description, which was puffed up somewhat. I never called the girl. I also had a mother's friend who I never even met in person ask if I would date her daughter when I first talked to her on the phone. I wisely concluded to stay away in that case.
Excellent observations. It's good that you had an eye that could pierce the manipulations of the women who would use you as an ATM.
I have some thoughts, however, on this comment that you made.
Finally, the commenters are pissed at the doctor because he's basically exposing a side of themselves that they would rather keep hidden, so they have to attack him to deflect attention from themselves. I mean, what are they going to say, "Yes, we're money grubbers."
The hamster is a funny creature. A woman will usually spin endlessly on her wheel to conceal her duplicitous and opportunistic behaviour, but sometimes she'll cheerfully admit what she is. It all comes down to her feels in that moment. Allow me to present an anecdote of my own:
I remember a conversation I had with a plate I was spinning a couple of years ago. I was at her apartment. We were both glowing after a quick late-morning romp, when suddenly her cell phone rang.
She reached over, looked at it, and then answered it with a "hey babe" as she swung back over wrapping her arm around me. She proceeded to have a brief conversation with a boyfriend I didn't know she had - confirming plans they had made for some time this same afternoon.
When she was done, she snuggled up closer to me. After a brief and contemplative silence, she said "sometimes I wish my boyfriend made me feel as girly as you do."
"Girly?" I asked.
She said something to the effect of: "Yeah. I mean, he's great and all. He's a really nice guy, and my parents like him, and he buys me great presents for the holidays. His family is pretty loaded. But he's just not the kind of guy who makes me feel like a girl."
I asked her about the kinds of presents he buys her. She mentioned a gold locket, a dashboard mp3 player for her car, some designer shoes, and a few other choice items.
"So, if he didn't have a lot of money you wouldn't be meeting him for lunch in two hours, yeah?" I asked.
You know what she said?
"Pretty much."
In that moment, her hamster was comfortable, well-fed, and in no mood to go for a spin, so the rare and precious truth passed from her lips.
And she had no problem telling you she's screwing some guy over for gifts?
Nope. In fact, she seemed very satisfied with the answer.
I spent a lot of time wondering why that might be, and I finally came up with an answer that fits with what I know about women now.
In that moment, she wasn't on the defensive. She didn't feel the need to justify herself or her behaviours to me. Neither her comfort nor her beta-provisioning were under threat at that moment. She'd just had an earth-shattering orgasm and was filled with bonding chemicals. Everything was right with the world, so why bother with deception?
By contrast, the hamsters over at /r/AskWomen are being confronted with an anecdote that threatens to lift the veil on their imperative. They don't want this to turn into a woman's PR nightmare, so they're regurgitating all the shopworn platitudes like "real women don't care about money" and "you must be surrounded by gold-diggers, because I don't do that."
Think of it this way: if, instead of calling, her boyfriend had shown up at her apartment, her answer to my question would have been very different.
Yeah, but wealthy girls can be pretty cut-throat too, and they have mile-high entitlement. They may not need your money, but that won't stop their lawyers from getting it from you. The justice system is not even remotely fair.
I confess, that this issue gives me anxiety. I suppose if I didn't want to raise a family, I wouldn't care less, but unfortunately, I do, despite what lots of people on here say.
I don't see how that would not make them gold diggers.
Another thing do add is that with regard to women, a profession can be a "be careful what you wish for" type of situation, where you suddenly find yourself being approached by dubious prospects. Of course, now you know what it's like to be a beautiful woman; constantly approached by dudes using various strategies to try and use you to get what they want. This insight can help you with beautiful women, because you can now, as the "object" of desire, empathize better with their position.
Well, the high school ecosystem is different. Most kids are subsidized by their parents, and all have the unpaid "job" of going to school, so all are in essence, more or less, economically equal. Therefore, since money isn't the currency, because parents are providers, status becomes the currency. Also, there are links between athletic prowess and career success, since guys who are competitive may do well in the business world, outperforming many nerds who lack people skills and who suffer from crippling self-esteem issues after enduring years of psychological warfare directed at them. Lots of girls like guys in bands because they want to fantasize that the band will make it big and they'll get taken along for the ride and be a celebrity.
Anyway, so I managed to obtain a professional degree, which, if you completely lack scruple, could be a license to pump and dump, because all you have to do is subtly flaunt your status, lead them on a bit, and then on to the next.
Scruples doesn't come into play. I have no problem doing this. Sexual strategy is amoral not immoral.
Well, if you want to go deeper, I suspect that things like virtues and scruples with regard to sex, if properly understood, can play an important role in getting through life. If blindly adhered to, they can cause problems. For example, if you are female and stay a virgin because you are blindly afraid of things like it hurting the first time, or getting pregnant, or getting an STD, even though all of these are manageable risks, you are being rather foolish, as opposed to a virgin who calculates that her SMV will go down, or that she'll cheapen sex, or that she'll damage her reputation, etc. then you're making a trade based on values; your long-term social status on several fronts versus some immediate gratification. Part of the reason are culture has become so hedonistic is the tendency towards immediate gratification urged by consumerism and capitalism, which do better when people react to every little urge and desire with an action to satiate it, rather than attacking the urge and desire at the root.
What does this have to do with my choice not to exploit my credential as a pump and dump device? Simple: I don't want to complicate my life by drawing in people who are attracted to me for shallow and questionable reasons. I know that earning power is always a factor, but I don't want it to be the first factor. I also, frankly, have better things to do than trying to see how many females I can service, and I don't want to deal with the karmic blowback that comes when they find out that they don't get to keep me. I'd rather just find a woman of quality and invest in that person. Of course, if I get married and have a family, I may get disgruntled later, but I doubt it, unless of course my wife turns into a psychotic bitch. I also feel that I have nothing left to learn from going from woman to woman, and that by doing so, I'd basically just be using people and leaving behind damaged goods, or these days, more damaged goods. I'd rather apply TRP to have a successful LTR.
Now, if I'm out in the field, and I find women are attracted to me without knowing my profession, it's a different story.
It gets even trickier though, when you realize that your consumption choices and your style telegraph your profession. People can draw inferences based on your posture, how articulate you are, what kind of clothes you wear (I always try to dress as neutral as possible), and the kind of car that you drive, or that you even have a car. Some women are diabolically clever, and they have other women gather intel for them before they decide whether you are worth pursuing.
Appreciate the well thought out response and discourse.
When you said scruples, it seems you meant a set of rules you follow, not necessarily a set of "right" or "wrong" morals.
I don't want to complicate my life by drawing in people who are attracted to me for shallow and questionable reasons. I know that earning power is always a factor, but I don't want it to be the first factor.
I agree. It can be fun to sleep with women though, but I understand if you have evidence they want you for your money it may not be worth it to sleep with them.
I also, frankly, have better things to do than trying to see how many females I can service
Sex is very important to me, but there are also other things which are important to me. But I enjoy the chase.
I don't want to deal with the karmic blowback that comes when they find out that they don't get to keep me.
True, never underestimate the scorn of a woman.
Now, if I'm out in the field, and I find women are attracted to me without knowing my profession, it's a different story.
I definitely would value a woman more who didn't know my profession and liked me regardless. That would be if I were looking for a long term relationship.
But I'm not, personally. And as a sexual strategy, I've actually played it several ways, and so far have found the best strategy to be to attract them first, and then use the momentum of the attraction to let my profession get into the conversation towards the middle of the night. It ends up a better strategy than bringing it up initially and also than never bringing it up at all. But again, my goal is sex, not a filter for a LTR.
Edit: Okay I wanted to think about this more. So from a girl's perspective, she actuallylikesthe idea that she was attracted to me first and then found out what I do. To her, it validates the idea that she's not a gold-digger. She realizes that if she can be attracted to me without knowing my professional life, she believes that anything else is a bonus. She now thinks I am an alpha whoalsohas a good career. To her it's a jackpot. If she found out first, she might always wonder in the back of her mind if she is really attracted to me as a lover, or just as a provider.
It gets even trickier though, when you realize that your consumption choices and your style telegraph your profession.
Depends on your goal. I like the air of mystery it adds when they see me dress well, for example, yet don't know what I do.
They want to have to work for the information a bit.
Again, my comments are specifically addressing one of the tenets of this sub, which is the discussion of sexual strategy, which I consider amoral, which may be different from your goals.
Hopefully in a few months what? You left out a few words.
As someone who went from having no girls chasing him based on looks (back in high school) to having girls chase him (I had good features, but I was short and thin; after I got my growth spurt, I was around 6 feet tall, and since I wore baggy clothes, I started getting more interest), I can say that the two feelings are similar. I got struck with oneitis and so didn't really capitalize as much as I could have on the newfound interest. I remember being suspicious of it. I remember being opened girls, who would come up to me and tell me how hot I was, but then it would somehow go nowhere, lots of the time because it was unexpected and it put me ill at ease. I was very suspicious of it, because I used to get bullied in junior high a manner where people would try to tell me that some hot girl that never paid attention to me was in love with me, and then she would magically appear and pretend to be interested, but I was smart enough to know they were full of shit and that it was one in long line of setups.
Anyway, the two feelings are very similar. You are not being desired for you, whatever that is or means; something intangible? You feel like they are only interested in something that is not-you. With the oneitis girl, I remembered that I liked EVERYTHING about her, and the oneitis came from the fact that all the hot girls I knew seemed either bitches, dumb, dumb bitches, or smart bitches who were dating guys in college and older. By contrast, other girls I chased, it would also turn into, "She's cute, but she's sooooooo dumb." or "She's cute, but I'm not feeling it." I imagine it is somewhat similar for them.
Fuck that, though. With regards to profession, I always joke around (astronaut is an easy and fun one). Why should I tell a random girl what I do?
As part of sexual strategy it can be a tool in your arsenal. You seem to want to not tell them out of spite. As a strategy, joking around and exaggerating can be useful, but so can dropping in your own accomplishments!
Exactly, it's a great way to get laid. Be safe and use a condom that you make sure to tie and take with you. I could understand not telling them if you're actually interested and trying to weed out the gold diggers but if you're just looking for a lay you'd be straight retarded to not display your status to them. Unless he's a looker that would be the difference between him pulling off average girls and him consistently pulling of good looking ones.
as a fit person on their way to a science degree, this has frightened me a lot lately.
i'm aiming for a professorship, and will most likely have one around the age of 26-28 depending on when i actually start my doctorate. since i'm already in good shape and reasonably attractive, i worry that i'll go through EXACTLY what that doctor is describing. as a student now it's somewhat hard to get a date (good looks and fitness only minorly offset the stigma of being a "nerd"), but i know once i'm making 200k/yr and doing research in my field i'll attract a ton of women. the fact that they'll only like me for my paycheck is pretty rage-inducing honestly.
Why? Women are nurturers, men are providers. They judge men on providing abilities and we judge them on their nurturing abilities. Accept that it's nature and embrace it. Fighting it or denying it is blue pill.
Not quite. There's a reason MGTOW exists. Some of us don't want to deal with all the shit tests and bullshit that goes along with dating/relationships.
I love it when I read comments like yours. It only furthers my homosexuality. The subreddit stands as a testament as to why I stopped wanting anything to do with them when I was 13.
1-10: He gets told that boys like girls. He doesn't feel it, but neither does anyone else at that age, so he thinks nothing of it.
11-12: He starts to get horny, but he's a boy at that age, isn't sure wtf is up with his horniness, and probably gets hard for everything with a crack in its ass to boot. He tries interacting with girls, sucks at it, isn't even all that interested, and starts to get fed up.
13: Finally got the hang of it. Realizes he likes to cum while looking at boys. Somehow convinces himself that this is a conscious choice.
Would you elaborate ? Do you mean it's difficult to do so, because women have a way of making you talk ? That would be good evidence of their power of control.
Excellent post. My question to you: how do you plan to have a family under these circumstances? I'm still climbing the ladder and I'm afraid that once I'm in a similar position like you, I'd be seriously disillusioned when it comes to women and raising kids. What's your strategy to finding the right one? Do you sometimes lose hope?
The disillusionment makes it more challenging, but ultimately you find better people, because you refuse to settle for the illusion. Ultimately, though one could argue that since so much of reality is illusory, it's really just a matter of degrees of illusion. I look at that issue this way: even though you may not feel a sincere emotion at least at first, if you are willing to put on the pretense of that emotion, you are at least being considerate to people. This means, that there may not always be loving feelings between two people in a relationship, but if they each have good character, they can at least treat each other humanely during those periods, and from that kind of treatment real love can bloom. The key is finding a woman with character. In order to find her, you have to have character yourself, and you have to know the difference between good and bad character. The best-looking women often DON'T have the best character because all the unearned good treatment they have received has corrupted it. I try not to be looks oriented. I try to find someone I perceive to be somewhat attractive who makes me feel something and who seems to appreciate me, and then I go from there. That's on an individual level. Maybe that approach is wrong, but if there is no physical chemistry, it can be difficult to sustain a relationship.
I just got out of an LTR (maybe an MTR) that I knew was doomed from day one, but that I wanted to experience anyway. I think my strategy will be to go on lots of cheap dates, to not emotionally invest in any of them, and to try to screen for quality. I'll have to step my approaching game, which has always been middling to weak with me. I imagine that I will have to think carefully about each interaction, and journal about it. As for losing hope, that's dangerous, and I can say from experience that it leads to depression, etc. There's really no point in engaging in that experience. We're all going to die eventually. The point is to at least try to achieve these goals, provided that is what one wants to do.
One final thing is that I find it helps to have low expectations on outcomes, and to keep disappointments to oneself. For me, it would be enough to raise some children and thus do my part to pass on my ancestors' genetic legacy. If my wife turns evil, well I guess that's just a price I'll have to pay.
If my wife turns evil, well I guess that's just a price I'll have to pay.
"Qui veut faire l'ange fait la bète", whoever wants to act like an angel acts like a beast.
I mean that if you expect your woman to be more than an animal, you will somehow push her towards revealing her inner destructive beast whereas if you accept that she's just an animal with some human qualities attached, her human nature will be at ease for expressing itself.
Women see us men as animals as well. Don't have high expectations nor demands, at least beyond the lovey entry phase which is IMHO a necessity for reproducing. But I believe this love comes mainly from the child to come's soul. Once he's out of the bag... ahem. Things go downhill fast.
Said human qualities cant be demanded, it backfires.
Interesting theory about the "two become one" phase at the beginning of a marriage. It was definitely there before the kids. After 5 years, gone forever. Wife made it intolerable for me to hold onto that so I let it dissolve.
15 years further on, we're still married but that hasn't come back.
He's in the wonderful honeymoon period a lot of Western men go through when they come to Japan. It is true, Japanese women just throw themselves at you if you flaunt a little status. You feel like a fucking rock star. I had some good times when I first got here. But you realise pretty quickly that marriage is at the very top of their priorities. Even in their 20's.
I haven't worked out how to do plate-spinning with Japanese women yet. They all expect exclusivity and commitment from the get-go so I don't waste my time. I'm sticking to the ex-pat population for now. My average-Joe Western schlong is very gratefully received after their disappointments with the local genitalia.
She doesn't know what my job is other than that I make computer things. She thinks I'm intelligent, and says she's in love with me because I'm kind.
Hundred bucks says she's done her homework. If she's sticking around and pushing for marriage, she sees $$$$$.
AFC = weakness (i.e. kindness). They smell bux like sharks do blood. Everything a women does is transactional: tingles or things. Your alpha self will thank me in 5 years for this bubble-burster.
I know it's off topic, but I feel like quoting this from your link :
An epidemic of shut-ins
For years, Takeshi hid from the world, playing video games all night and sleeping all day, eating from a tray his mother left outside his room. He was a hikikomori, one of an estimated 1 million Japanese teens and young men who have become shut-ins, with virtually no human contact beyond their parents. Some of the hikikomori first withdraw because of some social embarrassment — bad grades, or a romantic rejection. The longer they drop out, the more shame they feel in a society where one's status and reputation are paramount and hard to change. Parents, and especially mothers, often enable the withdrawal. "In Japan, mothers and sons often have a symbiotic, codependent relationship," says psychiatrist Tamaki Saito, who first identified the disorder in the 1990s. Takeshi re-entered society after four years, thanks to a government program that sends female outreach counselors known as "rental sisters" to coax the hikikomori out of the house. But that program doesn't always work. As one shut-in of 15 years said, "I missed my chance."
Back when I was just starting my college career, I met a girl I had known all throughout grade and high school. We had always done similarly academically, and she was going to school for nursing. She was decent looking, but I would by lying if I didn't admit that her being a nurse was a factor. It fizzled out really early (her parents had a really strong hold on her still), but I always felt kinda weird about it. Do you think it's bad to actually have the thought, or the fact that I don't lie about it is the point.
On some level I think it's a wise "investment" of time, on someone you know will be successful later in life. Sounds kinda terrible, but I never lied to myself about it.
tl;dr If women said it was what they were doing, or knew about but said they weren't doing it, would it make it more okay? Or is the fact that they think about it at all bad enough?
Well, look at the opposite situation. Would it be better to waste time on a total loser, like a junkie, or someone with all kinds of behavioral problems who will then screw up your life? Nope. There's nothing wrong with assigning some value to a person's career prospects, and to their capabilities; I try to look at the whole person. I want someone well-rounded, and I'm sincere in that. I also know that high-earning jobs are few and far-between, and that for every such job, there are hundreds if not thousands of qualified candidates who will never get one, not based on their lack of ability, but based on luck, connections, social position, etc. Therefore, I never hold someone's lack of prestige against them, even though lack of prestige can be an indicator of certain issues, it is not determinative, and I usually suspend judgment based on someone's job. I never open with, "So, what do you DO?" I just went to a party where this oaf kept leading with that. He came across as a total, insincere douche. That would be what I would expect from any reasonable woman. I wouldn't expect them to like a slacker, but the whole disingenuous, "I just find engineers to be like, soooooooo interesting, that I want to marry one," to be something to avoid. If they like engineering so much, why didn't they study to become an engineer, hmmmmmmm???? They'd rather the guy do it, then piggyback onto his accomplishment.
But to answer your question, I wouldn't assign any culpability to assigning value to someone's career prospects; you just shouldn't make it your ultimate or primary value like many women looking for a "provider" do.
The problem is that research shows that women 'value' the money/status of a man about twice as high as a man does in a possible mate. This is despite the fact median male incomes have not increased in 40 years, and median female incomes have increased by about 90% during the same time period in the US. What are we to conclude based on this data?
I have no problem with women having certain standards, they want a decent looking, good personality, decent career man that can be a good father to her children. But even when a career woman makes a lot of money, this tendency to seek higher status and more in a mate is still there. Her bar has just been raised in terms of what status level is acceptable to her.
The problem I have is when some women overemphasize earnings/status and literally sacrifice their own attractive tendencies for the man because they just want the money so badly. Having a lot of money has got to be somewhat of a curse unless you're just terrific at reading people. If the woman doesn't have sufficient physical attraction to you, you're going to have a terrible marriage that will be more likely to end badly or be devoid of passion and sex. That's a disaster.
The high-earning women that constantly look for a man that makes more money than them really lack self-awareness and awareness in general. They must know that most wealthy hetero men got wealthy precisely to chase after younger women. They really need to just accept that a man who earns less money than them is one of the prices they pay for being high achievers.
Then they just see those high earners as the winners in the competition. At any rate that competitive success (or their imaginng it) gemerates a tingle.
Yes, but by entering the workforce en masse, they destroy labour's bargaining power, including their own, by doubling the labour pool, and then they cut down the number of potential mates for themselves, because they take lots of high-paying white collar jobs, and then they refuse to marry down.
Thanks for making the distinction. I can't say i have ever not been interesting in someone based on what they are trying to become. To be honest the last half a dozen girls I have been interested in, it never even crossed my mind what major they may be doing. Obviously when it comes up I like to see if they find it interesting on it's merits, or the ability to be successful with it.
I am new to TRP, so just asking lots of questions trying to get the big picture. Thanks for the help.
I never used to think about this stuff either until I got much older. It suddenly hit me when I was associating with some bohemian, do-gooder, hate-the-rich types. I noticed that while they professed to place no apparent value on money, they did have other values like looks, youth, style, prestige associated with social position within their hierarchy, ability to do things like give people rides or do favors (I was Mr. Popular when my car was working, and then not as much when it was in the shop). I then concluded that if even these people weren't idealistic, NOBODY was, and that everybody was mercenary and calculating. Then suddenly, everybody's behavior from junior high school on upward made sense, as did my own in many instances. Then I began to remember back to various instances where attraction had waned by things relating to earnings prospects, such as when I began to screw up academically.
If you ever study economics, try to take a course in "game theory". It explains, well, just about everything one sees in the world.
Also, being old, I remember the 60's and 70's. Those free-love "idealistic" types were nothing more than small minded little pricks and pussies. Very average intelligence too.
I think it would be much better if people were just more honest about it. It kind of irks me when people get mad for judging one another; I mean isn't that kind of the purpose of life? Who we hang out with, want to mate with, etc. I think the aspect isn't troublesome until you refuse to hang out with a guy unless he has a nice car or whatever happens to be your poison. I mean I have a thing for asian girls, but I don't think I could ever rule anyone out based on something so trivial. But in an ideal world, they seem to be what I am most attracted to physically.
Well, in our winner-take-all economy with the shrinking middle-class, money is serious business for women, because it can mean the difference between eating SPAM out of a can and going out to steak dinner. They've been watching TV for years and see all the bling sported by the celebrities, and they want it for themselves. It especially chafes if they have friends who start getting money spent on them. Then it becomes a vicious arms race of who can get more out of their man.
Chicks have been like that forever. Remember Madonna's hit song "Material Girl" and the economy was pretty good then.
Guys should hint present or future material wealth, or just state it, but not lavish it on the girl. Let her think that's what she gets if she stays with you. Same as she (many women anyway) lets you think you get sex if you buy her fancy dinners.
I'm currently in medical school and one of my biggest fears right now is not being able to identify these types of women when I graduate and actually have time to really start dating. Luckily I've found TRP here and I have a friend who has a lot of TRP qualities but didn't know about TRP until I introduced it to him.
When you go out clubbing or for drinks, keep something with you that's noticeably old, worn out or really out of date. Maybe a distinctively cheap watch beneath a nice dress shirt or jacket, or one of those old-style cell phones that people forgot about when smartphones came around.
If I pull out an old phone like that or pull back the sleeve of my shirt to show an old, beat up watch, I'll wait for the woman's reaction. The gold digger types are the ones who'll immediately notice how old or cheap that is, and they'll comment immediately. The moment I hear something derisive like "that's such a cheap, old phone - I thought a guy like you would own something much better", I mentally write them off, or put them on the ONS pump and dump list.
They're probably more likely thinking "Wow, I thought this guy was hot and interesting and turns out he's a doctor too? This guy is amazing!"
He says in post:
They literally will go from borderline bored/dispassionate/uninterested to....
Take note guys. When a girl thinks you're HOT and INTERESTING, don't be alarmed when they act BORED, DISPASSIONATE, and UNINTERESTED. It's very normal. That makes TOTAL sense. /s
Hate to play contrarian, but you have to admit that, even setting the money aside, Medicine is a very high status career. A better test would be admitting that he's a doctor but pretending that, for some reason, he makes little money and that's unlikely to change. Say, he works at some underfunded place where they can't afford to pay him much but he loves it anyway because his calling was always to help the poor and disadvantaged, etc. That would help separate the ones that think "He's a doctor? Damn, doctors are hot!" from the ones that go "A doctor? He must be loaded!"
That said,
In my experience, most of the men who are really worried about gold diggers aren't rich enough to be giving a shit and just end up looking like paranoid narcissitic dbags.
Damn those are some out of control hamsters, assuming she (or, heaven forbid, he) even believes that instead of conciously trying to shame OP for thinkcrime.
Even doctors that make little $ will fend off gold-diggers. Remember, women seek to find that beta, and cultivate him into the "man" she wants him to be. So see she's a guy with high income potential, and figures by throwing her pussy around a little bit, she can get him to reach his potential.
"If you make 20 Million, and your wife wants 10, you ain't starvin'. But if you make 30 thousand..... and your wife wants 15.... you might have to kill her." - Chris Rock
Everybody should be a little paranoid about gold diggers.
Yeah, but she may figure that once she gets the ring, she can be like, "Oh, baby, I want to have kids, and plus they need a nice lifestyle, so can you like go get a real job now, m'kay?"
That's an interesting view, but I'm not sure I would prefer this kind of women. Status, ranks, it means nothing. Talk to a person and get to know them, it's all there. Some have put themselves through certain studies, other had their reasons not to. There's nothing inherently better about ones or the others. The truth is that women are extremely superficial, if it's not for money it's for status. For the record, I'm not saying this because I'm bitter, I studied engineering, but that doesn't define me.
I think that "status, ranks" that were given to you means nothing. But "status, ranks" that you earned is part of you, it's who you are, and it means something.
While I understand what you are saying, you want reality to match your very idealistic views. Personally I don't blame or look down on or disapprove of women liking high status men any more than I hate myself for liking pretty faces, slim waists and long legs. Both are just as superficial.
gotta throw this out there though... I think a career that takes half a lifetime to develop and lots of effort to be successful in goes a little deeper than looks do.
I suspect if you're working for a living, you're not wealthy enough to attract a golddigger's attention, sorry.
In this replyer's world view, there are two types of people. Multi-millionaire gold-diggers and normal girls. Completely illogical.
You lie to women and act like an orderly or medical assistant -- low paying, blue collar, probably un-unionized jobs with little ability for promotion without new training and education. Then, you're surprised when they are more impressed when you say you're a doctor. Somehow, I'm not shocked.
"impressed". Did the OP say that these girls were "impressed"? No. He said:
they become extremely interested and much more touchy feely with me, talk a lot more with me, return my texts faster, and so on.
Impressed - To affect strongly, often favorably.
Okay, so he's a doctor and he affected them strongly and favorably THEN by virtue of the fact that they were "impressed" they became extremely interested and much more touchy feely...
Once again, doctor -> extremely interested, more touchy feely...
Next response.
Yes you are being paranoid
Because there are no women that want to get with a guy because he has money. Ok.
A lot of men with a lot of money date women simply because the women are beautiful. When you don't bother to look for people with good character, you're likely to spend time with people of bad character.
This one is skirting around admitting that some women are simply cunts. Another thing is that she equates it to "bad character". Let me clarify and hope at the same time that she meant what I am going to say. Someone with bad character can look seemingly good from the outside. It's hard to screen for it. That's why so many guys fuck up and get married to these "good girls", only for us to see them get raped in court by the divorce.
I can do this all day. It really is ask hamsters.
Oh, also, side note. All the women there saying that it's not the money, it's because it's interesting, shows how much the man worked, admirable. Yep, that's hypergamy.
I absolutely love the top comment:
"I suspect if you're working for a living, you're not wealthy enough to attract a golddigger's attention, sorry."
I mean, 500k+ a year is barely enough to get by.
Not like I didn't expect it. The feminist mentality is confirmation bias taken to an extreme. If it fits the "evil patriarchy, poor repressed women" narrative, they'll listen to it and treat it as truth. Otherwise, they ignore it and rationalize one reason after another as to why it's wrong.
Yeah, and don't forget that askfeminists have this rule
All top level comments, in any thread, must be given by feminists and must reflect a feminist perspective. Please refrain from posting further direct answers here - comment removed.
That's a verbatim quote from a post made inside a thread.
the whole thing about making a lot of money is the gold diggers make themselves pretty obvious if you know what to look for. They also give up the pussy really fast. /pump and dump.
Seeing clumsy gold diggers and concluding they're all obvious is like seeing through a shitty street magician's sleight of hand tricks and concluding that because you can't see any wires, David Copperfield is an actual wizard.
Women have no physical strength and thus have biologically adapted a natural aptness for bending the truth and manipulating men as a survival method. They can then use this to make men fight each other.
The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar is worth a read, it's a depressing read but it's fucking true. Ironic it was written by a woman, she took a lot of heat for that.
gender is largely a social construct. that much is obvious if you take any time to see the differences in what constitutes a specific gender across cultures and across time.
ignoring the impact of culture on people is a nice deep blue too...
I suspect if you're working for a living, you're not wealthy enough to attract a golddigger's attention, sorry.
Serious entitlement
Actually he is telling a lie of omission to "field test" them. That may fit your criteria for truth-telling but it sure has hell doesn't fit mine.
If you don't make it easy for us to assess your level of wealth, you're dishonest
Yeah, you are. Being a doctor is interesting. I'm so fucking baffled by men who go, "she perked up when she heard I was [insert interesting profession here]! She must be a gold-digger." No, you poopyhead, you have something interesting and admirable about you, and that's probably why.
And you can't rule out confirmation bias. You might feel like they are more responsive, flirty, giggly, whatever because you expect them to be so.
Of course, there are women who will care about the money. But that's also not the worst thing. Dating someone with money could be a cool experience. Having money/dating someone with money makes more opportunities possible, and it doesn't mean they only want your money. It doesn't mean they won't contribute to the relationship, it doesn't mean they only see dollar signs.
Obviously, it's "interesting" I mean women just read anatomy books for fun don't they?
Women are biologically programmed to seek out a provider, and rightfully so. This is was has kept our species alive. There is no shame in it, as most non-western woman and fewer western women will try to accomplish the old fashioned way by marrying a man they love and starting a family. However, it has become increasingly more attractive for women to seek out a man that will provide monetary resources, but provide nothing in return except a starfish every other week. This is what TRP tries to expose and explain. For a more female oriented sub-reddit, check out /r/redpillwomen They'll love to accept you :)
Yeah I never heard that before. Hint : every time.
Another hint : if you wanted to discuss the topic, and not advertise your vagina and its incredible qualities (so different from these mean bitches we're talking about, you swear !) you wouldn't have mentioned your gender nor even implied it.
As I'm not a total hater I'll give you a piece of useable advice : stop saying or implying you're female, and I and others will appreciate discussing with you without thinking about your personal gender. This isnt another certain website so there is no "tits or gtfo" rule, but I hope you can get the point. Be anonymous, genderless, male by default, and your points might be respected for their own sake. As it stands, your message is the typical one I mocked :
hi i'm a grrrrl, but i'm not like all these mean women, i swear! Give me attention please, and I reserve the right to turn into the typical harpie once you're committed, suckers !
Oh so you're not a parasite? Then dont mention your flytrap.
And I know your gender is relevant to the discussion. But you can, and should IMO, keep it hidden (letting us assume you're male.) Because you implying you're female trumps everything you may have to say. Suddenly, the message is "I AM FEMALE, I HAVE A VAGINA, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, IS ANY WORTHY MALE INTERESTED ?". There are exceptions to this but they are rare, and from my observation your message is very far from qualifying.
You're right, lots of women have been college educated to get good jobs, which is totally fine, but studies have found that if a woman earns X from her job, she will not want a man that earns less than X, as it would mean settling down. This equals more lonely men and women (not particularly a bad thing) which equals to a shrinking birth rate (that's the bad thing).
so people shouldnt "draw conclusions based on this subreddit" because it's a "haven for bitter men"
but you see, this implies that people draw conclusions through listening to other people's opinions and looking for some kind of consensus or group mind.
I wont deny that men arent immune to this type of thinking, but the contention of TRP is that we try to rise above it. We look for facts and sound reasoning. And results. You know, "male" things.
I mean, you can dismiss what i just said, but when you look at gender studies and the load of horseshit they are (all ideology, no facts) and feminist theory in general, and when you compare it to real studies like science (or STEM in general), there is a divide here (*).
Political ideology and irrationality on one side, pragmatic results and rationality on the other. That's the idea of TRP and the PUA community as well, and the manosphere in general. Again, not everything inside it qualifies, by far. But you're welcome to address the points in this vein, instead of throwing another female irrational deceptive tactic at us like you just did. Frankly, it doesnt even deserve an answer in this place. But there you go.
To try and say it simpler : you just said that people shouldnt believe what is said here because of who the people are who say such things.
That's not reasonable. That's only a valid way of forming opinion for people who cant think rationally and need to rely on group consensus instead. Hint : if they do, they have no reason to be here, they're still swallowing the feminist groupthink.
Come to think of it, this explains the whole effect that the MRA movement has on feminists. The feminists react to it, but they assume that the MRAs are like them : that they rely on listening to authority and group consensus. And the feminists try to address the growing MRA power by using tactics that are suitable for affecting groupminds. In my opinion that is a good thing. I'm not such a fan of the MRA movement as I may sound, and I believe that if it falls or changes under irrational attacks then it deserves to.
Keep it manly, boys. Or should I say, keep it up :)
(*) The divide between feminist ideology and science is demonstrated in this famous norwegian documentary : Brainwashing
lol, if you pay attention you'll notice that those who are bitter are the newbies who just smashed into the concrete of reality, and i completely understand why they are bitter, the entire culture has been deluding them for most of their lives. All the members who are successful (self-improving, moving forward in life, getting lots of sex whether from many girls or holding down a redpill relationship) are pretty damn happy and just accept TRP framework as an aspect of reality that would be fruitless to be bitter about.
Dude, what the fuck is wrong with these people? I don't think that wanting to be with someone that actually likes you and cares about you is asking too much. Unless, of course, you don't care about things like that.
Of a new class of doctors, several are similar to OP. They've been studious and meticulous most of their lives, foregoing social life to achieve high marks. The good news is that they have a lot of compadres that kind of push them off this track and show them TRP in real life. Some are hopeless causes that just jump with the first chick that touches his dick, others wisen up quickly and spin plates to the x degree.
Doctors are awesome to me because of their education, level of commitment to their job, the work and intellect and effort it takes to get there. Money doesn't come into it. Hells, I assume most young docs have a ton of student loans to pay off.
LMFAO.
Money doesn't come in to it, never believe it when you hear that. Believe that. This is like saying "power is irrelevant." Yeah and I'm a fucking genie that shits leprechauns.
I messaged OP to check out TRP, if I can do my civic duty to save a man from becoming a whores personal piggy bank then fuck yeah I'm gonna do that. OP sounds somewhat naive but like his instincts are tingling past his social programming so there's a start.
If he were to tell them he was a nurse and took care of small children/old people, that would't mean shit even though that requires lots of education, compassion, commitment, work ethic, and intellect.
If he were to tell them he was a nurse and took care of small children, that would't mean shit even though that requires lots of education, compassion, commitment, work ethic, and intellect.
Really? A nurse that took care of children would still be looked down upon, even these days?
Would be a pity if true. It's technically not a bad career move.
Whatever, fuck the people who think that anyway. There are noble things worth more than relationships.
You know how it is how when politicians or celebrities fuck up, they hire a PR firm to write an elaborate and tactful description of the situation that somehow manages to put the fuck up in question into a favorable light?
I feel like women have a part of their brain that does this automatically. Their tingles say "I wanna fuck a man who makes mad bank," but their mouth says "I respect men who are able to dedicate themselves to a field which they are passionate about."
Another thing to watch out for is the code words women use. Here is a translation guide for dealing with women.
Says: I want a man who is motivated and has goals.
Means: I want a rich man
Says: I want a man who knows how to treat a woman.
Means: I want a rich man
Says: He's from a really good family.
Means: He's from a really rich family.
I'm sure you get the point. Let's move on
The whole mating game is based upon this deception. If men would realize they're being hunted down by parasitic females before these parasites got a firm clutch upon their lives, they would never commit and the females would have to... work ? For real ? Like, building countries ? Teaming up for something else than manipulating men ? Not possibru. They're not wired for this.
All of the replies in there were exactly what I would expect from r/askwomen, complete and utter worthless lies and fluffy bullshit. It should be renamed askcosmo.
I expect the woman didn't even sense the irony in her own train of thought as she proceeded to immediately contradict her own thinking.
I noticed something special about irony when it comes to women.. it's like Harry Potter's invisibility cloak, they just don't fucking realise it's there.
You've just gotta love that, it's comical in and of itself. A flawless delivery of ironic principles with a simultaneous total ignorance to it. It's gold.
What happens when a man has "education, level of commitment to their job, the work and intellect and effort" going for him?
He becomes successful and that typically denotes more money.. or fuck.. more sheep if this guy is a fucking sheep herding stud genius with a uber trained wonder dog sidekick would make all the local gals stab each other for a chance to carry this man's seed!
You know, it's interesting you say this. I am a woman, and when speaking to my male co-worker recently about my student loans and how my boyfriend doesn't have any, my co-worker actually said that my boyfriend SHOULD be helping me pay my loans. I found that laughable. While my boyfriend and I have been together many years and we share a bank account, it is not his responsibility to pay my loans. That's my shit, my education that I agreed to pay for. Why should he be expected to help me pay?
I'm sure that money is important for a lot of them but when he said
They literally will go from borderline bored/dispassionate/uninterested
it makes me think this guy is just not interesting at all and being a doctor is the only thing about him that can spark engaging conversation. I have friends (who are actually interesting and funny) that are firefighters and girls perk up when they hear that shit even though they start off at about $33k a year and probably won't ever make more than $50k.
So yes, a lot of the women are probably being selfish and trying to rope in a provider even though this guy is a bore, but some of them might actually think the job is genuinely interesting, admirable, or sexy.
Wrong example. Firefighter for some reason is the male equivalent of a supermodel in women's minds. Have you never seen that 'firefighter calendar' shit? Earning potential is not considered in their case.
Well of course. He spent prime years of his life working his ass off trying to become a doctor. That shit doesn't just accidentally happen. So he probably didn't develop his social skills much.
That's kind of my point though. If he's just boring without and real justification for why, that's not a good sign. But if he isn't great socially and the woman finds out it's because he's spent his days and nights preparing himself for a profession that he loves, some people would find that admirable. I'm not saying it's black and white and the girl is either just interested in the career or just interested in the money, but I am saying that some of them are probably intrigued for the right reasons.
Agreed. If a girl seemed average or slightly below in every way and then casually dropped the fact that she was an astronaut into our conversation, it would completely change my perception of her. She might be a dull person, but the fact that she has a challenging and unique job would absolutely pique my interest. It might seem shallow (and not because of money), but it really isn't much different than liking somebody because they can crack a joke.
That's not how it works. You wouldnt be interested in her being an astronaut, if anything it would put you off.
What would make you suddenly perk up is if she let you know that she's good at sex, or has huge boobs, or can suck a tennis ball through a garden hose.
And girls do that a lot, leaving such clues when they want to spark interest.
You can speak for yourself, but don't tell me what I would or wouldn't be interested in. A ton of girls are good at sex, not as many have interesting careers.
I know a girl in real life.. 19.. dark triad crazy bitch.. fucking a doctor. He proposed to her... so fucking tragic.
As he doesn't know me directly but knows about me through her he fucking hates my guts (cuz she uses my existence as a weapon against him.. tells him she'll come to mine and fuck me when he pisses her off and etc) ....yes I do my best not to get involved in her silly power games. however I digress, I'd do the same for that guy as well. She's mining his earnings/earning potential for what it is and she's not even hit 20. He's 34.
It's fucking sad. He's already been divorced once. Some motherfuckers just never learn do they? Fucking hell.
All I can say is that I'm so glad I'm learning about TRP at a young age. I'm in college right now (undergrad). I'm going to be so much better equipped later on.
All I can say is that I'm so glad I'm learning about TRP at a young age
Same
I'm in college right now (undergrad).
Same.
I'm going to be so much better equipped later on.
I feel like already am but again, same.
The red pill is a beautiful thing, shit's probably saving lives, stopping men killing themselves and all kinds of shit.
Male suffering gets ignored, I'm not gonna get on a podium and start preaching some men's rights pastoral sounding shit however needless to say this place for all it's undeserved reputation is doing a lot of good and helping to give men back the power that successive crazy fucking governments and institutionalised feminism have taken away from them across western nations since world war 2.
Sweden is a fucking joke, I think TRP probably needs its own sub-board just for swedes... the Saudi of feminism holy shit.
When I see a woman in pain I wonder if it's a deception or not "playing the victim"
Men hate to play the victim (99.9%) so when I see a guy in pain and suffering I know that shits legit.
Unlike women men feel ashamed to be perceived as victims, part of being masculine is being strong. Woman use that shit as an engine to elevate their social position/get resources. It's basically part of their fucking prerogative. I mean look at almost every fucking divorce case that ever happened.... yeah, exactly that. Nuff said.
Is awesome for foreigners. I'm Australia and in Sweden I almost didn't even need to approach, let alone really need to put much effort into my game. I'd imagine most aren't great for LTR/Wife material.
This is the a perfect example of nearly every female/feminist criticism of men. It's always the worst case scenario, the worst, most negative way you could possibly interpret an otherwise neutral situation.
I seriously wonder sometimes how many girls are in the Histrionic spectrum.
What also surprises me is how they all dismissed his anecdotal experience and field testing. This guy's dated 30 women and they pretty much reacted the same way. If 90+% of women are all acting the same, why would it be weird to get worried? 30 women is statistically significant. It's huge.
Doctor here. This guy is an asshole. If your career open up doors and legs, enjoy it, be careful, and you gonna get to know a few very nice women. Instead, this loser endocrinologist is whining on the internet. What a cunt.
These guy are prime RedPill candidates because they've seen hypergamy turn on them within their own lives. We should have a reachout program for guys in med school.
i think you guys are just cynically enjoying your status advantage, plowing whores left and right, and you're resentful that that guy is genuinely bitter after having discovered that women only want him for his money
I see plenty of parallels between the definition and his 'hypothesis'.
I don't know about that.
Shit tests are what women use on interested guys to sort them based on their responses and whatnot.
What he's doing is checking to see if uninterested women magically get "attracted" to him if he brings up his career, proving that they're not attracted to him at all, that they're gold diggers.
That's fair, but we have to assume the women are interested at some level because they're on the date in the first place. We also know that he was sorting them himself because he states it.
but we also don't know what he said specifically, so jumping to the 'gold digger' conclusion is, well, jumping to conclusions. Maybe they relate to the doctor aspect more because it's something more accessible/understandable?
For all we know he could have been downplaying himself far more compared to when he was open to being a doctor, i.e. casting himself as some orderly drone compared to an actual doctor.
That's fair, but we have to assume the women are interested at some level because they're on the date in the first place
Not necessarily. He was talking about girls who he was just talking to like at bars/parties and such.
but we also don't know what he said specifically, so jumping to the 'gold digger' conclusion is, well, jumping to conclusions.
Nah, you're right, they showed little to no interest in him as a person, then he mentions he's a doctor and they get "all touchy-feely"(his words) and return his texts faster, etc.... it's gotta be because they're Doctors Without Borders activists -_____-
I've been on something like 30 dates in the last year...
Specifically mentions dates. If his idea of a 'date' is parties and bars, for 30 women, he either isn't treating them right or they aren't the most quality of women, results skewed either way.
It's possible that his test-persona comes off different than as a doctor (I'm also guessing he had to leave out some juicier details that would give him away), it's possible this is subjective analysis, different women altogether, etc.
But nope, gotta be a gold-digger riding the cock-carousel!
But nope, gotta be a gold-digger riding the cock-carousel!
Yeah, I'm sure your armchair analysis of his personal experiences are much more accurate than what he personally saw with his own two eyes, right in front of him.
Come on, man. This guy is LITERALLY an expert in the scientific process; he's a doctor, FFS, and his experiment showed he was right about women not being attracted to him and instead to his profession (read: money) were true.
Yeah, I'm sure your armchair analysis of his personal experiences are much more accurate than what he personally saw with his own two eyes, right in front of him.
Nice. I'm offering an objective analysis of all the variables he would have a hard time/couldn't control for (i.e. what anyone versed in the scientific process knows to undermine any findings) and you just blow it off as 'armchair analysis'.
He was talking about girls who he was just talking to like at bars/parties and such.
Think my analysis was more accurate than that too.
This guy is LITERALLY an expert in the scientific process; he's a doctor, FFS
Being an endocrinologist doesn't make you an expert in psychology.
I also enjoy that you take his word as solid gold too. Nothing he's said could be wrong, at all.
I'm offering an objective analysis of all the variables he would have a hard time/couldn't control for ... and you just blow it off as 'armchair analysis'.
You're also dismissing his results even though yes, you're sitting far, far away from this man and were not present at any of the numerous encounters he's been in. I put more faith in his personal experiences than in someone who wasn't there.
I also enjoy that you take his word as solid gold too. Nothing he's said could be wrong, at all.
I'd have more faith in the word of a med student/doctor whose story appears to fit with others' experiences (he's not the first doctor on reddit who has written about this, a different guy complained about basically the same thing about 9-10 months ago) than from a guy who's only here to criticize, judge and question for no reason.
Two decent comments
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RedInHeadandBed 1 point2 points3 points 12 hours ago
No, you are not paranoid. There are women like this. Fucking a doctor means nothing, but marrying one means a lot to many women. Sounds like you have a good plan for weeding them out though. And certainly some doctors have used this angle to score women. I know it's been used on me. lol
Because the bottom line is that they would interest way sooner than a minute after you say you are a doctor, if they were really interested in you as a person. Good luck
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TheRosesAndGuns 4 points5 points6 points 11 hours ago
No, I don't think men like you are being paranoid. I think that you should be very careful with who you become involved with when you have that kind of money and status, as it can all quite easily go wrong.
Storytime: My brother earns a very good wage at a nuclear power plant. He's on roughly double the normal monthly wage, and he does well for himself. About 4 years ago, he met a girl a couple of years younger than me (so about 17 years younger than him) who seemed lovely to begin with. They got engaged and had a child... Then she left him with over £10,000 worth of debt (that she ran up in his name) and a lifetime of child support to pay.
He is now left with £12 at the end of the month after all the bills and child support even though he has his daughter more often than her mother does...
Yeah, be wary. Remember, not all women are like this, but there is a percentage of women who are.
You lie to women and act like an orderly or medical assistant -- low paying, blue collar, probably un-unionized jobs with little ability for promotion without new training and education. Then, you're surprised when they are more impressed when you say you're a doctor. Somehow, I'm not shocked.
In answer to your question, yes you come off as paranoid.
How dare he hide his actual worth!! That MONSTER!!!! /s
I mostly peruse this subreddit because I find it interesting, not because I really apply it to my own life. I'm Catholic (religious) so that may explain the situation, as is my fiancée.
I really wish all guys doing prehealth studies could learn trp. I and a few other prehealth friends have swallowed either thru this forum or by self teachings and experience but almost all young male doctors are going to turn out like this guy.
A pre-optometrist friend said it best: RedSpectrum, before you marry get a prenup because all women are fucking sluts.
When men find out my pathway they react the same way as OP described.
Those are probably some low-life guys that just wanna get fat, let their girl pay everything for them and do nothing with their lives.
For me, I get excited when I hear a woman in a medical profession because I actually have someone with which to talk science. I don't give a shit about how much money she makes. On a side note, I'm super happy that I already discovered TRP, because I'll be getting my medical license in three years.
third year dental student here welcoming you in advance, dentistry is a really okay profession. hope you wouldn't mind having a woman's (or anyone really) teeth the be first thing you notice and look at.
hopefully someone can link this guy to this sub so he can see the reality. he's done his time and is now a pillar of society, the least we could do is guide him
Let's break down a real difference between men an women here:
Looks will instantly attract more men to women. Money and status will instantly attract more women to men. Neither is inherently wrong. Both instincts have to be managed with maturity, or wrong things will happen.
Men say this (that looks are important) regularly, giving women an exact idea of where they stand. Women here had a chance to meet this fact head on, and address the issue and move past it. Instead, you get denial.
What's fucked up is that women won't tell the truth even when they're anonymous, which suggests that they benefit from the lie.
Looks will instantly attract more men to women. Money and status will instantly attract more women to men. Neither is inherently wrong. Both instincts have to be managed with maturity, or wrong things will happen.
truth. Looks are important to spark that attraction but It's not like we are all shallow pieces of shit, I know thoroughly average looking girls who manage to be very attractive (to me at least) with their great personality.
Doesnt mean looks arent important but in my eyes, within limits, being a cool person can make up for deficiencies in other departments.
It actually makes some sense. White Knights tends to be inferior or lower-status men, and they most often know this. They will never get the top women, and have accepted that.
So they play to women who understand subconsciously (no matter how delusional their conscious mind may be) that they will never 'win' a competition based on the beauty standard. Thus, by denying this universally known truth, white knights signal to ugly women a willingness to mate with them.
They are saying, 'You can't win an elite man. But I won't judge you like they will. You can win me'.
Women want to turn men into white knights because they get off on having men as underlings.
Thing is, underlings don't give women tingles. Thus the fact that white knights don't get laid.
Basically, it's a Chinese finger trap: the poor saps starting white knighting to get out of the friend zone, it doesn't work, they white knight harder, and they get friend zoned even harder.
He seems to be a pack leader in the white knight crowd. If you followed his actions on that post regarding the 3 teenage boys making a video about what they like in girls, you'll see how much of a fag WK he is.
It's dismaying because if a woman only wants your money, guess what's likely to happen if you marry her? That's right, she'll get a divorce and take half your stuff + alimony + child support.
SigmaMu 10y ago
"Women interested in money? Pssh, Doctors aren't even that well-paid."
C'mon, son.
rebuildingMyself 10y ago
Lol they're not even trying anymore.
Aaron565 10y ago
HAHAH this points out that even the ones that will accept their inconsistencies have to be completely offensive about it.
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In the UK they aren't. Sadly...
rule_of_law 10y ago
An American doctor (or European) is part of the top .001% of income earners in the world.
The FUCKING PRIVILEGE of ANYONE who can laugh that shit off makes me sick. They have no FUCKING CLUE what they're talking about.
These fuckers actually vote. They vote in elections and determine the fate of the nation. And they think that, unless you can live off a preset amount of money from birth, your money isn't a factor.
Edit: Emphasis on the number 1, not the number of 0s, or my math skills
the99percent1 10y ago
50 shades of Grey skews everything up. Suddenly there is an attainable 30 year old billionaire playboy bachelor for every girl out there!
globaljetset 10y ago
There are 7 billion people in the world. One out of 10 million equates to 700 people in total.
[deleted] 10y ago
What do you think you are, some kind of doctor?
rule_of_law 10y ago
ok edited it to .001% which puts them in the top 6 million gross income earners.
[deleted] 10y ago
Making $400,000 a year in the US would put you in the 99.5th percentile, so 1/200.
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
I was skeptical about the 1 in 10 million myself (700 people is tiny, and in all fairness, doctors aren't that far up there in the top 1%), so I decided to work out the numbers myself.
The average endocrinologist living in a major metropolis in the USA actually makes slightly less than 250k annually. This is including bonus. (You can check more localized numbers through payscale, salary.com, or any number of other resources).
As a single filer, that puts him at around the 1% percentile in the US.
There's roughly 22-23 times more people in the world than there are people in the US. We round that up for the most liberal estimate possible.
If we assumed everyone in the rest of the world outside the US was too poor to contest (not true, but close enough), that would put him at the top 0.044%... roughly within the top 0.05% in the world.
Not bad, but honestly, these things should be localized for comparisons, due to cost of living and other relativistic considerations.
250k isn't going to look as impressive in Manhattan or the Silicon Valley where you actually can bump into young entrepreneurs who happen to be multi-millionaires, on the street, daily.
Note that that higher salary comes with many more years of schooling (less time to save, more debt, less opportunity for investing, less 401k/IRA accrual, etc), so becoming a doctor isn't usually the best financial decision. The people I know who became doctors did so also for the status/prestige and even the genuine desire to care for people's health.
It also depends on what kind of doctor. A family doctor gets paid around 200k or even less. An anaesthesiologist can easily go over 400k+.
All that being said, I agree with the sentiment that top commentor women are just being hostile towards the OP. There obviously will be status-seekers and gold-diggers who go after doctors. It doesn't have to be "old money"; it's not like 250k is a drop in the bucket.
Lower down the comment chain though, some of them make a fair enough point. E.g.
Even people here would agree with that.
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fiat_lux_ 10y ago
Dude, if you become a doctor, all the respect in the world. Too much sacrifice; i wouldn't have the patience for it. If you want to use the title to your advantage in the social market place, more power to you.
The main reason I quoted that 2nd place comment is because it's fair and actually makes sense. All she's doing is implying the same stereotype that "A lot of men only look for women who are physically beautiful" (in contrast to gold-diggers who only care about a man's wallet), which a lot of people here even agree with.
There's also something to be said about likelihood of finding someone of bad character (if you care about LTRs) if you're focused only on physical beauty or only on money.
jmottram08 10y ago
Another thing to consider is the fact that with 250+k per year, you have a LOT easier time making investments / saving... which lead to more money.
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
You start very late as a doctor. Say, around 30. You also have a lot of debt to pay back. You're also paying almost 80k in tax from that 250k.
Usually, your payment to debt is higher priority than investing, as the average investor is far from beating the rates he pays on debt (with the exce. So they have to wait even longer, after paying off those debts, before starting to invest. By then, others who had already started working in their early 20's are getting significant returns already (capital gains, lower tax rate).
Long work hours. Less time for side-projects (e.g. real estate). Specialized connections. This is aside from the fact that you've invested about 12 of the better years of your youth into that.
As a purely financial decision, there are better options (unless we're talking certain specialists like orthopedic surgeons and anaesthesiologists -- they actually bring in some serious cash). Becoming a doctor is more than just the money. It's about the status/reputation and genuine desire to help people.
The wealthier youth I know tended to have gone to school for engineering, came out of school, joined startups (or started their own business -- yeah, it's a risk), and became multimillionaires after a few years, well before age 30. Worked for a younger sibling even. Barely 23, and he can basically retire now.
I wasn't as talented or diligent, and haven't reached that point yet, but even I don't envy doctors for their salary (when you tie it to the sacrifices they make). I respect their title/reputation.
the99percent1 10y ago
Exactly! Ive been saying the same thing whenever a thread pops up about doctors.. Doctors are over glorified and becoming one is over-rated. I hope you enjoy sacrificing 12 years of your life, hard work and long hours. It is certainly not a career path I would pursuit if my end goal was to become handsomely rich and retire early.
In fact, the absolute blue pill job is to become a doctor. Is it any surprise that women see doctors are the perfect beta provider?
You are far better off trying out as a business owner. You don't even need a degree. Sure, certain degrees help. Its not necessary to own one.
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jethreezy 10y ago
Kind of a tangent, but your American voting system doesn't really determine the fate of the nation...
rule_of_law 10y ago
It sure as fuck does have an effect. Is it a coincidence that our populace is the least intelligent it's ever been while the administration is performing the worst it ever has? fuck no. People voted in November, and they voted on things like gay marriage, gays in the military, "binders full of women", and various forms of free shit from the government. We ignored scandals like Bengahzi and Fast and Furious. We ignored our debt. We ignored our unemployment and other economic performance numbers. We ignored the fact that QE3 basically pumps imaginary money into the economy at a rate that we cannot even print using $100 bills. We ignored the billions in currency has been shat out of the Fed into no more than ten or so banks that virtually run as a cartel where their biggest customer is the government. We basically said "fuck you" to capitalism.
So what did that determine for our nation? We wanna stay poor as long as we got our video games, gay sex, and govt benefits.
Pretty big decision there. Let's see how it plays out...
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
It does. It just depends on what issues.
I'm assuming you live outside the US, as you referred to it as "your American voting system".
Voting tends to have less effect on certain things like foreign policy, so I can see why you might think it doesn't have much of an effect.
jethreezy 10y ago
Okay sure I was vague in my last comment, what I mean more specifically is that the real underlying and unifying causes for many of the social problems faced by most people in America are rarely addressed by politicians, such as the huge gap in social inequalities, and having a defence budget of global conquest proportions. The politicians instead just try to put some band-aids on gaping wounds via some new health care bill, some innovative educational reform, a new drug policy, etc. just to show their public that they are in fact great leaders that have been getting shit done like they promised during their campaigns; even though most of the problems could be better solved by tackling them at a deeper root level, but of course they're barred from doing so by forces bigger than themselves.
Lastly, I just want to make it clear, I'm not even criticising these politicians, nor am I suggesting that there are some shadowy group of faceless men plotting conspiracies in back rooms. This is just the reality of the American democratic system as I see it, it's an inherent flaw in the way the whole machine runs, and its inertia alone is enough to not only keep it going, but likely exacerbate the problems in the future.
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
A lot of what you're talking about is high visibility national level politics. Voting makes a huge difference at more localized levels. I'm sure you intuitively know that without any need for us to discuss it.
As for the social inequality on the national level, it might sound strange to Europeans, but Americans actually vote for that. I know people making 3 times less than me annually who are considerably more fiscally conservative than me. There are countless studies you can find comparing American and European attitudes. Americans generally have a more positive view of the rich/wealthy.
(Tangent: I was going to lump Canada with Europe, but I actually have close ties to Canada and see a lot of attitudes changing. It's rather unnerving how different teen and young adult Canadians have changed since I was last living there. Probably has something to do with the tar sands and associated propaganda.)
Americans voted and got what they want. Remember that Reddit is populist. It'll give you a populist cross-section of the American population who care more about social inequalities. As long as people aren't literally starving in the streets, you'll never have lower to lower-middle class banding together over shared economic interests (e.g. rednecks side with ghetto dwellers).
lucifa 10y ago
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
Atleticomadrid 10y ago
I mean 500k? Peanuts... no women would EVER date a man for that amount of money... even more so since golddiggers don't exist
PerniciousOne 10y ago
Remember half of at least 500k for the rest of your life without having to lift a finger is not a bad deal, it is like a lottery annuity. The only work that is required is the occasional laying on your back.
Because he has to work many hours as a surgeon you do not need to spend much time with him, just spend as much of his money as you can.
salami_inferno 10y ago
I loved the one woman in their claiming she had literally never met a gold digger in her life. Ten bucks says she's either a shut-in, delusional or has never had friends. Possibly all 3.
caius_iulius_caesar 10y ago
Or just a gold-digger.
W-Z-R 10y ago
She probably is one, so it seems normal to her
_DiscoNinja_ 10y ago
The only Doctors I've met that bring down that sort of money are partners in their own practice.
I used to work with a Neurologist that was a partner in a 4 man Neuro-clinic, in Orange County CA, and was only bringing down about 225k a year.
IDefyAxioms 10y ago
Speaking of the medical branch of Neurology, Neurosurgeons (which I realize is a very specialized profession) made on average $700k last year.
dvrzero 10y ago
That's double what I was offered to work at a dental appliance grinding place as an engineer...
225k is more per year than anyone but the CEO made at some of my companies.
That's about 20,000 american dollars a month. I know people in their 20s that pull in that much a year (20k.)
The dr could put a down payment on a car every month and still fritter away 10 grand and be better off than 90% of the folks on reddit.
Then again... That school... That school is rough.
DSPR 10y ago
a mere $225k a year...
ThePragmatist42 10y ago
The issue for doctors only making 225 a year are the student loans. I'm a Software Engineer and I almost bring in that much a year with significantly less loans, no need for malpractice insurance and I don't work 70 hours a week.
fuckthiscrazyshit 10y ago
Yes, 225k is certainly not peanuts. But, I've worked with doctors before. Most younger doctors I know have huge student loan payments, annual license fees, recertification fees, training fees, etc. They also pay a shit load for malpractice insurance. They don't do quite as well as one may think.
UnderwearStain 10y ago
" mere " only relative to the work you put in to get there. People smart enough to be doctors could just of easily spent 4 years in compsci and been at 225 with a small fraction of the debt and about 10 years of paid work. He was probably 25 or 26 at the youngest before he was even starting to earn any money to put towards all the medical school debt he accumulated.
The difference is the prestige. Software engineer doesn't get the reaction out good doctor friend here gets with the D word as he calls it. There's a very specific negative association that comes with it based on pop culture icons of software companies. Whereas doctors in pop culture are Greek gods with hair better than most women ;)
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Is substantially less after living costs and tuition payments.
equeco 10y ago
Peanuts...
rebuildingMyself 10y ago
How's a grrl supposed to have a good starter marriage-to-divorce with that small Alimony check?
RedPillScare 10y ago
In Orange County, California, that's not exceptional or even wealthy relative to the other residents.
duroudes 10y ago
its upper middle-class. its pretty comfortable. id say wealthy but not rich. just cause their practice might be in a place like newport beach doesnt mean they live in the exact same area.
dvrzero 10y ago
So OC median income is a hair over 75k/year.
There are parts that are "richer" like ocean front(Newport Dana point Laguna...) To poorer (Anaheim, Santa Ana, Orange) to in between (fullerton, Westminster )
I lived and went to school in the OC for over a decade. Non concurrently for most of that. It is expensive cost of living, but waaaaaaay nicer than Los Angeles county.
There are a lot of Asian areas (little Saigon, etc) and upper middle class white areas (yorba Linda, placentia) - and the worst areas are still better than the "middle class" areas in LA county like whittier and Downey and Santa fe springs (named after the locomotive company)
RedPillScare 10y ago
Thanks. I had forgotten the other cities.
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kzwrp 10y ago
...and then your richer neighbours will make her hypergamy tingle even more, she'll dump your sorry ass and take half your shit.
Good plan there!
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
If you can do that, it's probably cheaper and less risky to do so.
Probably not any place on the planet you want. Unless you literally just want a sex doll/slave, I assume you'd at least have to pick from a place where English fluency is common (unless you can speak the language). The poorer the country, the less likely that will be.
On the flip side, the wealthier the country, the less likely a "virgin teenage HB10" will be willing to emigrate just to marry some guy in the US making "a mere 225k" who is only "above average" but not extraordinary in his neighbourhood. If she can work a web-cam, is digitally aware, and is actually an HB10, she shouldn't have many problems attracting wealthy enough guys in her own country without wanting to move to a completely different place away from her friends/family.
You'd want to meet this person first before such a major commitment. That means paying for flights and other costs.
For so many more reasons that I won't bother listing: If you just want to use that money for sex, and that's it, it's cheaper and ironically safer to get a prostitute.
It works for some of my coworkers/colleagues, who are Indian, but that is mainly because they have family connections in India helping them set up arranged dates/marriages. It's not like they can just pick any "virgin HB10" from anywhere in the world, even when some of them DO make 200k+.
I'm not criticizing or trying to discourage you, but I do want to point out that careful decision-making is why some people got to that income level in the first place, and why they stay there. There are many reasons mail-order brides aren't a lot more common than they are.
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fiat_lux_ 10y ago
That's what I just talked about. In the case of imported wives, there's a power imbalance that could very well render a prenup unenforceable. You might want to talk to a good lawyer first.
If you move somewhere more isolated, you're not going to be making 225k per year anymore.
Atleticomadrid 10y ago
I know... whole comment was sarcastic and just proving a point.
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
Anaesthesiologists can reach that.
They have an extra risky profession though.
EDIT: Forgot ortho surgeons (i.e. sports surgeons). They do too.
Dishmayhem 10y ago
I know a DO who just bought a million dollar house
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
Yeah, but that can be pretty common depending on where you live. In California, even people making only 200k will test their luck buying million dollar houses.
rogueman999 10y ago
Just a quick comment, since TheReddPill is supposed to be grounded in evolutionary science. "Money" didn't exist when humans evolved, and probably neither did valuable items. From a biological point of view it makes much more sense for women to be attracted to status then to income. And when they're attracted to the latter it's mostly because having lots of money gives somewhat higher status in our society.
Of course, a woman may make the conscious decision to marry someone rich. But we're talking about attraction here, and I have to say the reactions in the linked post look a lot more like reactions to high status than anything else.
REDDITCanSuckMyCOCK 10y ago
Money has pretty much always existed. Money is just a an abstract form of trading stuff and ressources and services, which in turn can lead to better quality of life. Do you tell me that in old days all men had equal amounts of stuff and ressources and services to trade?
rogueman999 10y ago
We diverged from the chimpanzee some 6 million years go. Babylon started using silver as a very primitive form of money some 3000 years ago. Until then, there was no concept of "rich". Actually even today some funny thing happen when primitive societies in places like New Guinea develop quickly. When somebody makes a lot of money (by getting in contact with the developed world somehow) he is obligated to share his fortune with his extended family. Not to do so would be on a level of faux pas equal to asking your in-laws to pay for dinner at your place.
Status on the other hand is something even monkeys get very well, let alone great apes.
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Your right women are attracted to a male with status. That usually goes hand in hand with having a lot of resources abundant crops, land, etc. Money is just the latest resource. However, you could have one or the another and they still be attracted to you. I.E. money but your a dopey beta with little social status. Or status I.E. police officer that makes average money.
through_a_ways 10y ago
Lel
Grumpi83 10y ago
This has actually been documented, there is a documentary "science of sex appeal" on netflix made by discovery channel. They show women pictures of men and have women rate them on a scale of 1-10. When the women are told the men are wealthy the scores go way up.
optogirl 10y ago
As a busy grad student, how do you get that many dates?
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heist_of_saint_graft 10y ago
Why bother listening to data when you can merely exclude all data that contradicts your emotional prejudice?
puaSenator 10y ago
That whole thread is ridiculous.
Nerf_Circus 10y ago
Wanted to find out if people liked him for who he was before admitting he was a doctor.
'What a lying fucking arsehole.-cirocco(paraphased) #spinning
riskrowe 10y ago
2nd comment talking about how lying to women is bad...
Men must lie to women at some point if we're going to be around them at all. Women hate knowing the truth, because they've based their entire lives and identities on a series of lies - you are special, you deserve free stuff, every man should treat you like a princess, god or government or daddy is looking after you. They want to live in their bubbles of protection and ignorance, and as men we're more than happy to oblige, but god forbid you ever fail to shield a woman from reality and she catches a glimpse of the truth. She'll hate you for it. Just look at how much hate TRP gets simply for discussing the realities of human sexual dynamics.
through_a_ways 10y ago
More examples of the feminine inability (or hamstering around) to grasp gradualism.
"Oh, you don't like fat women? Therefore you like stick thin Ethiopians."
"Oh, you don't make 2,000,000 a year? You're poor."
gprime312 10y ago
Thank you OP, I needed a laugh today.
Dishmayhem 10y ago
I love how they GET MAD at the notion that doctor makes them wet. Sluts.
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If I was a doctor, I would bang all the chicks I wanted.. I wouldn't let them see a dime from my paycheck though! Because money doesn't matter right?
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Money "doesn't matter" but trust does... but trust is the type of thing that just happens to take the form of money.
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So many women so full of shit.
The average two-income family makes 43k a year. The majority of Americans bring home less than 30k a year.
And those stupid little children want to make me believe that no woman anywhere could possibly get wet for under 1 million a year? Who the fuck do they think they're kidding?
updock 10y ago
Tell them you're a lowly paid missionary who bring antibiotics to people who would otherwise die all across the world - nothin
Tell them you're a plastic surgeon specializing in tummy tucks and face lifts making 7 figures - beatin um off with a stick
ilike2partyhowaboutu 10y ago
Nip/Tuck was a great show
LaserSoundMusic 10y ago
It was awesome. The alpha/beta dynamic between the two main characters was perfect
updock 10y ago
I do not get this reference.
ilike2partyhowaboutu 10y ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYAkRBD9rSw
updock 10y ago
Great clip. Thanks
ilike2partyhowaboutu 10y ago
Thanks.. but I guess it wasn't very appreciated in /r/askhamsters:
updock 10y ago
Why were you posting there to begin with?
ilike2partyhowaboutu 10y ago
I just posted the link to that Nip Tuck scene there.. lol
Within seconds I got "you have been banned"
GunsGermsAndSteel 10y ago
I do this too, people think my job pays better than it actually does, so when I was single I would sometimes not tell women what I did for work.
josuenin 10y ago
it was hard reading through the comments on /askwomen. I can't believe he would get slaughtered like that... are women really this naive?
TossThisAccountSoon 10y ago
As a lawyer, women definitely perk up more when they find that bit of information out.
Stinkfist93 10y ago
What's a hamster?
ilike2partyhowaboutu 10y ago
http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/17xmry/acronym_and_glossary_thread/
Rationalization Hamster - The tendency for women to use rationalization to resolve mental conflict and avoid cognitive dissonance. The core mechanism that allows women to say one thing and do a different thing.
randomkloud 10y ago
also note men aren't completely immune from this either. (see: every fucking whiteknight or GW commenter)
MockingDead 10y ago
Just got downvoted for in men's rights for suggesting women might be looking for a wallet.
Nice to see askhamster validate me.
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MockingDead 10y ago
My fake internet points are meaningless? Oh gawd, what will I do?
I kid.
But seriously apparently a dating site where women can shop for beta providers is considered awesome.
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MockingDead 10y ago
I believe there was one, but it was immediately banned.
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opencover 9y ago
Or say you're a woman and upvote yourself on Lulu.
FuriousMouse 10y ago
This should be put on the sidebar as a explanation of the "hamster" mentality.
Both are they trying to shame him for doing the test, and then this :
"Doctors are awesome to me because of their education, level of commitment to their job, the work and intellect and effort it takes to get there. Money doesn't come into it."
thedarkerside 10y ago
Oh that's golden. He basically makes it all about him and his personality but doesn't get any bites until he mention he's a doctor, but this fine specimen is trying to tell him that they don't like him because he tested him. Hilarious.
quintaldo 10y ago
Yes the counter-shaming rationalization is amazing. They're not horrid whores, no, he's a shady liar who will put off caring women :))
hahahahah it's like better than a movie, you couldnt make this shit up
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This is why I hide what I have....
redpilldude 10y ago
Oh, give me a break. Does she honestly believe that anyone believes this bullshit?
TheSuperiorMe 10y ago
As a medical student, I'm so glad I know the red pill. Bitches wouldn't give me the time of day before I got into med school (5'5 guy), but now that I'm almost a Doctor their vaginas tingle when they hear medicine, can't imagine what it will be like when I'm a doctor.
I get pushed away because of my height even though I'm well travelled (100+ countries), well dressed, work out 10-15 hours a week, meditate, speak 3 languages, have 8+ years of university experience, confident as fuck, can beat the shit out of 99% of guys out there (long history of martial arts), but when I say I'm a medical student/doctor they will perk up, when I display any of the other stuff I'm good at they don't give a shit because it doesn't involve money.
quintaldo 10y ago
This is the meat of the matter : the total stupidity of it. They're not only parasitic and solipsistic : they're retarded. Like animals or children who only see the gifts they can grab.
Mooshaq 10y ago
I'm in the same boat. Seeing girls, that I hadn't seen in years, over XMas break worked out quite well for me. As soon as I mentioned medical school, it was on. My only problem is that I actually want to talk science with people or explain to them how difficult it actually is, but they don't know shit about science, nor can they conceive that it's any harder than their BA in Journalism was. I digress.
Whaaaat? I can't even name 100 countries. Good for you.
I'm glad you're into TRP already. You're gonna be a fuckin' serious lady killer when you graduate with a medical license under your belt and a head full of the reality of the sexual marketplace.
blazingblue16 10y ago
Gotta work on your game then. You should be slaying them left and right with your credentials. o_O
Zenaesthetic 10y ago
You kinda sound like a douche bag though..
TheSuperiorMe 10y ago
I am.
Zenaesthetic 10y ago
Fair enough. Just noticed your name, all makes sense now. Oh, in addition to being full of yourself, it sounds like you're also full of shit. So you've been to 100 countries, speak 3 languages, have a "long history" of martial arts? You've been to over half of the countries in the world? Lemme guess, your parents were spies and they just brought you along on all of their missions, and taught you two languages and martial arts in the process?
Reading the other thread you made on here 2 months ago confirms that you are in fact a total piece of shit.
quintaldo 10y ago
Sounds like a great dude. Apparently, honesty is unbearable to some, mostly vaginas. I dont see how that can be seen as "being a total piece of shit" except for someone who must be really fucked up. He doesnt do anything mean, he doesnt fuck with them, he doesnt bully, nor demean, nor entrap, he just talks bluntly to strangers or girls he has little involvement with. What's the big deal ? Does it hurt your worldview ?
pro_skub 10y ago
I can't help wondering if women really believe their lies. This doctor has just discovered an ugly truth. I hope his next step is just going for whomever has the hottest body and stop trying to get to know them. Don't try to get a "quality" woman, it's largely pointless.
iggybdawg 10y ago
They do believe their lies.
We accuse them of being attracted to money. They answer no, then proceed to say everything that means ability to generate money.
Only being half true makes it untrue, riiiiight?
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iggybdawg 10y ago
Heaven forbid the money was generated in the past or by someone else and you aren't driven to make more in the future.
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AFC, butthurt: it's like I'm looking into my own past.
If you're basing all of your behaviour on instinct you're heading down the wrong path to begin with. Nobody here hates that women are attracted to status, we hate that they don't have the decency or introspection to admit it, that they still vehemently believe in Disney-like fantasies of life and love and that they'll shame men ruthlessly for finding beauty an important factor.
For a new person to come and learn all of this stuff it'll create an understandable amount of anger. Calling them an AFC just makes you seem juvenile, arrogant and, quite frankly, stupid.
tremenfing 10y ago
Difference is guys don't deny this, but girls put on a level 4 mental gymnastics show
Azzmo 10y ago
I get the impression much of the disgust is appropriately directed at the posters in that thread who try to deny him his discovery and mislead him into believing that female attraction is all about his displayed commitment and not also about the money and status.
Blatant lying is hard enough to stomach from an individual but when it's done by a group to a person who seems fairly vulnerable and when the lies are designed to lure him into multiple alimony payments within 20 years then you're going to see people here react.
Zackcid 10y ago
It's like they're trying to punish him for daring to try to discover the truth. He's like a slave who's heard the good news about the liberated world. The slave owners discover that he's been having these thoughts of freedom, so they whip him savagely and tell him it's wrong to try to snap out of the illusion.
heist_of_saint_graft 10y ago
We don't care that women want status and cash.
We care that they can't admit it, even to themselves, even anonymously.
It shows them to be what they are: creatures incapable of the self-reflection that men are capable of.
quintaldo 10y ago
This. Also, they're trying to make everyone believe their bullshit, especially males, in order to brainwash and manipulate them into being preyed upon.
nicethingyoucanthave 10y ago
I'm sure if that if someone was "butthut" that you would have replied to them and quoted them.
This thread is about our amusement that women deny the truth, but that we are upset by the truth.
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I had no trouble understanding him, it's more Likely that you have problem with your ability to comprehend simple sentences.
johnnight 10y ago
It's adverse selection. The ones going for him the hardest are the worst LTR material.
It's OK to ask for the ability to provide. I have no problem with fulfilling the role of a provider, but I am no sponsor of an extravagant lifestyle.
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jakethesnake76 10y ago
Does no one logic any more, wow that was hard to read...HamsterNation...
mrpoopistan 10y ago
This right here is what pisses me off with TBP women. Everything is fuckin binary, as if status and money mean nothing even to so-called nice girls.
Bullshit. Even a nice guy in a good situation better get a j-o-b.
niceguy_gone_cad 10y ago
I'd seriously consider running fake doctor game if not for the legal implications of it.
opencover 9y ago
Not sure there are any legal implications. What are they?
Impersonating a cop is bad because cops have powers to arrest people that others do not. Impersonating a doctor should be OK as long as it isn't a medical situation and you're not suggesting any medical treatment.
monsieurhire2 10y ago
Man, oh man, do I KNOW those feels.
When I was younger, I was more academically inclined, and not so athletic. I had very low self-worth at this age, and I came to believe that I would have to excel academically to get a good job just to get a quality woman, because, why else would a woman even want me, other than as a beta provider? Now, that is some LOW self-esteem, when you think about it, because it means you have to spend your youth becoming someone's slave in order for them to like you, and the irony is, they won't even like you! They will secretly resent and despise their dependency on you, and blame you for holding them back, even though it's only their own fear, sloth and inertia. I'm speculating on this last bit as to why women would hate men that provide for them.
Anyway, so I managed to obtain a professional degree, which, if you completely lack scruple, could be a license to pump and dump, because all you have to do is subtly flaunt your status, lead them on a bit, and then on to the next. Except, what destroys attraction for you is the knowledge that they don't really like you, they like the perks and benefits that your status can bring THEM. Women will suck up to because of what you can do for them. The laundry list of benefits are numerous, but why not: bragging rights to their friends, enemies and rivals (same thing?), feeling of superiority to other women, material benefits, etc. etc. Some experiences: seeing the difference in how all women react to you when you put on a smart suit versus when you're just walking around in jeans and a T-shirt, having random people throw their daughters at you, having new acquaintances try to kiss you on the mouth when you're just trying to say goodbye, etc. etc.
Another thing I've noticed: how long does it take for a woman to ask what you do? Does she ask you as soon as she meets you, or does she ask you after she feels some attraction to you? If the latter, how long does it take? Who opens the conversation door? You or her?
Here's another anecdote. When I was learning to dance, I went to a dance studio and there were a lot of mid to late twenties female instructors there. Most were engaged or married, but there was one who wasn't who I thought was kind of cute. I flirted a bit with her, but only mildly so because I don't believe in doing that to someone while they are working, but I remember asking her once what she had done over a month where she hadn't been around, and she just said "Nothing." because it seemed like she was trying to nip my "advances," which were very mild, in the bud. So, I shrugged and backed off. Then, some weeks later, someone I know mentions that I am a lawyer in her presence, and I swear to god, I actually could almost see gears spinning right next to her head. She literally stiffened when she heard this information, and her face got this kind of calculating expression. After that, she hit on me no less than three different times, but it was like, weeks later, almost as if, she was trying to put distance between those two events. Needless to say, I stayed the hell away from her because the dichotomy between the before and after was very disturbing.
Other girls I would be paired up with in class (lots of homely girls in dance classes, unfortunately), upon eliciting what I did for a living, would then keep bringing it up over and over again, and asking lots of follow-up questions. They were pretty transparent.
I confess, that this issue gives me anxiety. I suppose if I didn't want to raise a family, I wouldn't care less, but unfortunately, I do, despite what lots of people on here say.
Finally, the commenters are pissed at the doctor because he's basically exposing a side of themselves that they would rather keep hidden, so they have to attack him to deflect attention from themselves. I mean, what are they going to say, "Yes, we're money grubbers."
quintaldo 10y ago
Or if you rent or own your place. Last time I answered the bitch "Ah! How feminine of you to ask this question!" and she of course replied "Oh no I'm not materialistic at all, you're mistaken !" in a tone of sincere surprise. Yet only women ask that question. I can meet men all day and none will ever be interested in knowing if I own or rent. But women ? Very commonly.
You're gonna get creamed. This isn't a warning, this is an attitude advice. Accept it : you're a man, you want children and a committed relationship with a woman, she will cream you for what you've got. Dance the dance. Try keeping your own, try getting your interest out of the ordeal, savor the good, bear the bad. The goal is children, remember. Try reading up on "married game" and stuff like that. Apply TRP to your couple life and it might help : acting like the male lead and not the beta pathetic waste excuse:)
It's not THAT bad, it hopefully won't :) I guess I was somewhat lucky. I'm bitter and misogynistic as a result, but I cant say I've been stomped on.
The prize is the love of your children. If she and her hivemind touch this, all bets are off. I support murders, bombs and nuclear arsenal deployments.
abcd_z 10y ago
How to spot a gold digger (AKA a "ho"):
dvrzero 10y ago
Wait my insurance agent is a ho?
RedSpectrum 10y ago
Nailed it
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And then people wonder why their wife starts to not fuck them after marriage/kids, and it's especially confusing because the sex was so good during courtship and engagement. It's can become a chore if you're not actually attracted to that person. How many men are caught in such a web? Who knows.
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This was a really good comment, just thought you should know that.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
This guy consistently drops heat I'm waiting for that endorsed badge to appear next to his name.
monsieurhire2 10y ago
Thanks. I think about this issue a lot.
zombie_toddler 10y ago
Jesus. No wonder the guys at the top can be such sociopaths and so evil.
monsieurhire2 10y ago
I almost went on a date with this one girl a relative was trying to set me up with. Then I had second thoughts. I queried the relative and asked them if they told the girl what I did for a living. The relative, a woman, promptly with, "Why, yes I did," and then she listed the description, which was puffed up somewhat. I never called the girl. I also had a mother's friend who I never even met in person ask if I would date her daughter when I first talked to her on the phone. I wisely concluded to stay away in that case.
HumanSockPuppet 10y ago
Excellent observations. It's good that you had an eye that could pierce the manipulations of the women who would use you as an ATM.
I have some thoughts, however, on this comment that you made.
The hamster is a funny creature. A woman will usually spin endlessly on her wheel to conceal her duplicitous and opportunistic behaviour, but sometimes she'll cheerfully admit what she is. It all comes down to her feels in that moment. Allow me to present an anecdote of my own:
I remember a conversation I had with a plate I was spinning a couple of years ago. I was at her apartment. We were both glowing after a quick late-morning romp, when suddenly her cell phone rang.
She reached over, looked at it, and then answered it with a "hey babe" as she swung back over wrapping her arm around me. She proceeded to have a brief conversation with a boyfriend I didn't know she had - confirming plans they had made for some time this same afternoon.
When she was done, she snuggled up closer to me. After a brief and contemplative silence, she said "sometimes I wish my boyfriend made me feel as girly as you do."
"Girly?" I asked.
She said something to the effect of: "Yeah. I mean, he's great and all. He's a really nice guy, and my parents like him, and he buys me great presents for the holidays. His family is pretty loaded. But he's just not the kind of guy who makes me feel like a girl."
I asked her about the kinds of presents he buys her. She mentioned a gold locket, a dashboard mp3 player for her car, some designer shoes, and a few other choice items.
"So, if he didn't have a lot of money you wouldn't be meeting him for lunch in two hours, yeah?" I asked.
You know what she said?
"Pretty much."
In that moment, her hamster was comfortable, well-fed, and in no mood to go for a spin, so the rare and precious truth passed from her lips.
monsieurhire2 10y ago
Lol, how foolish of her to admit that. Did you know she had that boyfriend when you plated her?
Dishmayhem 10y ago
You, sir, are a god
pro_skub 10y ago
On the other hand, if he was already sleeping with you, you can assume she wasn't very attached to him.
Stopher 10y ago
The mercenaryness of it is amazing. And she had no problem telling you she's screwing some guy over for gifts?
HumanSockPuppet 10y ago
Nope. In fact, she seemed very satisfied with the answer.
I spent a lot of time wondering why that might be, and I finally came up with an answer that fits with what I know about women now.
In that moment, she wasn't on the defensive. She didn't feel the need to justify herself or her behaviours to me. Neither her comfort nor her beta-provisioning were under threat at that moment. She'd just had an earth-shattering orgasm and was filled with bonding chemicals. Everything was right with the world, so why bother with deception?
By contrast, the hamsters over at /r/AskWomen are being confronted with an anecdote that threatens to lift the veil on their imperative. They don't want this to turn into a woman's PR nightmare, so they're regurgitating all the shopworn platitudes like "real women don't care about money" and "you must be surrounded by gold-diggers, because I don't do that."
Think of it this way: if, instead of calling, her boyfriend had shown up at her apartment, her answer to my question would have been very different.
dvrzero 10y ago
No true woman gold digs.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Murmaider 10y ago
There is a reason why the wealthy mainly associate/date/marry exclusively within their circle.
monsieurhire2 10y ago
Yeah, but wealthy girls can be pretty cut-throat too, and they have mile-high entitlement. They may not need your money, but that won't stop their lawyers from getting it from you. The justice system is not even remotely fair.
adioz- 10y ago
I don't see how that would not make them gold diggers.
heist_of_saint_graft 10y ago
This post is aces. Priceless field knowledge for those of us who don't have high-status jobs and can't see this firsthand.
monsieurhire2 10y ago
Another thing do add is that with regard to women, a profession can be a "be careful what you wish for" type of situation, where you suddenly find yourself being approached by dubious prospects. Of course, now you know what it's like to be a beautiful woman; constantly approached by dudes using various strategies to try and use you to get what they want. This insight can help you with beautiful women, because you can now, as the "object" of desire, empathize better with their position.
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monsieurhire2 10y ago
Well, the high school ecosystem is different. Most kids are subsidized by their parents, and all have the unpaid "job" of going to school, so all are in essence, more or less, economically equal. Therefore, since money isn't the currency, because parents are providers, status becomes the currency. Also, there are links between athletic prowess and career success, since guys who are competitive may do well in the business world, outperforming many nerds who lack people skills and who suffer from crippling self-esteem issues after enduring years of psychological warfare directed at them. Lots of girls like guys in bands because they want to fantasize that the band will make it big and they'll get taken along for the ride and be a celebrity.
deepthrill 10y ago
Scruples doesn't come into play. I have no problem doing this. Sexual strategy is amoral not immoral.
monsieurhire2 10y ago
Well, if you want to go deeper, I suspect that things like virtues and scruples with regard to sex, if properly understood, can play an important role in getting through life. If blindly adhered to, they can cause problems. For example, if you are female and stay a virgin because you are blindly afraid of things like it hurting the first time, or getting pregnant, or getting an STD, even though all of these are manageable risks, you are being rather foolish, as opposed to a virgin who calculates that her SMV will go down, or that she'll cheapen sex, or that she'll damage her reputation, etc. then you're making a trade based on values; your long-term social status on several fronts versus some immediate gratification. Part of the reason are culture has become so hedonistic is the tendency towards immediate gratification urged by consumerism and capitalism, which do better when people react to every little urge and desire with an action to satiate it, rather than attacking the urge and desire at the root.
What does this have to do with my choice not to exploit my credential as a pump and dump device? Simple: I don't want to complicate my life by drawing in people who are attracted to me for shallow and questionable reasons. I know that earning power is always a factor, but I don't want it to be the first factor. I also, frankly, have better things to do than trying to see how many females I can service, and I don't want to deal with the karmic blowback that comes when they find out that they don't get to keep me. I'd rather just find a woman of quality and invest in that person. Of course, if I get married and have a family, I may get disgruntled later, but I doubt it, unless of course my wife turns into a psychotic bitch. I also feel that I have nothing left to learn from going from woman to woman, and that by doing so, I'd basically just be using people and leaving behind damaged goods, or these days, more damaged goods. I'd rather apply TRP to have a successful LTR.
Now, if I'm out in the field, and I find women are attracted to me without knowing my profession, it's a different story.
It gets even trickier though, when you realize that your consumption choices and your style telegraph your profession. People can draw inferences based on your posture, how articulate you are, what kind of clothes you wear (I always try to dress as neutral as possible), and the kind of car that you drive, or that you even have a car. Some women are diabolically clever, and they have other women gather intel for them before they decide whether you are worth pursuing.
deepthrill 10y ago
Appreciate the well thought out response and discourse.
When you said scruples, it seems you meant a set of rules you follow, not necessarily a set of "right" or "wrong" morals.
I agree. It can be fun to sleep with women though, but I understand if you have evidence they want you for your money it may not be worth it to sleep with them.
Sex is very important to me, but there are also other things which are important to me. But I enjoy the chase.
True, never underestimate the scorn of a woman.
I definitely would value a woman more who didn't know my profession and liked me regardless. That would be if I were looking for a long term relationship.
But I'm not, personally. And as a sexual strategy, I've actually played it several ways, and so far have found the best strategy to be to attract them first, and then use the momentum of the attraction to let my profession get into the conversation towards the middle of the night. It ends up a better strategy than bringing it up initially and also than never bringing it up at all. But again, my goal is sex, not a filter for a LTR.
Edit: Okay I wanted to think about this more. So from a girl's perspective, she actually likes the idea that she was attracted to me first and then found out what I do. To her, it validates the idea that she's not a gold-digger. She realizes that if she can be attracted to me without knowing my professional life, she believes that anything else is a bonus. She now thinks I am an alpha who also has a good career. To her it's a jackpot. If she found out first, she might always wonder in the back of her mind if she is really attracted to me as a lover, or just as a provider.
Depends on your goal. I like the air of mystery it adds when they see me dress well, for example, yet don't know what I do.
They want to have to work for the information a bit.
Again, my comments are specifically addressing one of the tenets of this sub, which is the discussion of sexual strategy, which I consider amoral, which may be different from your goals.
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monsieurhire2 10y ago
Hopefully in a few months what? You left out a few words.
As someone who went from having no girls chasing him based on looks (back in high school) to having girls chase him (I had good features, but I was short and thin; after I got my growth spurt, I was around 6 feet tall, and since I wore baggy clothes, I started getting more interest), I can say that the two feelings are similar. I got struck with oneitis and so didn't really capitalize as much as I could have on the newfound interest. I remember being suspicious of it. I remember being opened girls, who would come up to me and tell me how hot I was, but then it would somehow go nowhere, lots of the time because it was unexpected and it put me ill at ease. I was very suspicious of it, because I used to get bullied in junior high a manner where people would try to tell me that some hot girl that never paid attention to me was in love with me, and then she would magically appear and pretend to be interested, but I was smart enough to know they were full of shit and that it was one in long line of setups.
Anyway, the two feelings are very similar. You are not being desired for you, whatever that is or means; something intangible? You feel like they are only interested in something that is not-you. With the oneitis girl, I remembered that I liked EVERYTHING about her, and the oneitis came from the fact that all the hot girls I knew seemed either bitches, dumb, dumb bitches, or smart bitches who were dating guys in college and older. By contrast, other girls I chased, it would also turn into, "She's cute, but she's sooooooo dumb." or "She's cute, but I'm not feeling it." I imagine it is somewhat similar for them.
opencover 10y ago
You did well, you used your status to find a girl liked, then you moved on.
I do not support perpetual adolescence. Use whatever you can to get a girl you want, then ... you're done!
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deepthrill 10y ago
Interesting experiment :)
As part of sexual strategy it can be a tool in your arsenal. You seem to want to not tell them out of spite. As a strategy, joking around and exaggerating can be useful, but so can dropping in your own accomplishments!
salami_inferno 10y ago
Exactly, it's a great way to get laid. Be safe and use a condom that you make sure to tie and take with you. I could understand not telling them if you're actually interested and trying to weed out the gold diggers but if you're just looking for a lay you'd be straight retarded to not display your status to them. Unless he's a looker that would be the difference between him pulling off average girls and him consistently pulling of good looking ones.
no_game_player 10y ago
Spite is fun too. ;-D
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Indeed. Sometimes the people here take this all way too seriously.
I have talked myself out of a blowjob before. It's worth it if what you have to say is awesome enough.
SovereignsUnknown 10y ago
as a fit person on their way to a science degree, this has frightened me a lot lately.
i'm aiming for a professorship, and will most likely have one around the age of 26-28 depending on when i actually start my doctorate. since i'm already in good shape and reasonably attractive, i worry that i'll go through EXACTLY what that doctor is describing. as a student now it's somewhat hard to get a date (good looks and fitness only minorly offset the stigma of being a "nerd"), but i know once i'm making 200k/yr and doing research in my field i'll attract a ton of women. the fact that they'll only like me for my paycheck is pretty rage-inducing honestly.
bishnu13 10y ago
Don't count your eggs before they hatch. Academics is a hard envirnoment and getting a professorship is even more difficult.
absntmindedprofessor 10y ago
LOL @ a science professor making 200k/year
blopdop123 10y ago
LOL @ "The ladies will be all over me when I finally get to tell them I'm Professor Science"
thecajunone 10y ago
God I think I'm gonna hurl. The more I spend time on this sub the less I want to do with women. It's just disgusting.
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it goes both ways, will you marry a very ugly or fat chick?
frequentlywrong 10y ago
Why? Women are nurturers, men are providers. They judge men on providing abilities and we judge them on their nurturing abilities. Accept that it's nature and embrace it. Fighting it or denying it is blue pill.
Kronos6948 10y ago
Not quite. There's a reason MGTOW exists. Some of us don't want to deal with all the shit tests and bullshit that goes along with dating/relationships.
mydoucheaccount 10y ago
the more you know the more power you have, use it with your eyes open
gprime312 10y ago
I love it when I read comments like yours. It only furthers my homosexuality. The subreddit stands as a testament as to why I stopped wanting anything to do with them when I was 13.
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Here's what happened.
1-10: He gets told that boys like girls. He doesn't feel it, but neither does anyone else at that age, so he thinks nothing of it.
11-12: He starts to get horny, but he's a boy at that age, isn't sure wtf is up with his horniness, and probably gets hard for everything with a crack in its ass to boot. He tries interacting with girls, sucks at it, isn't even all that interested, and starts to get fed up.
13: Finally got the hang of it. Realizes he likes to cum while looking at boys. Somehow convinces himself that this is a conscious choice.
dashaaa 10y ago
Have you ever tried lying to a women when it actually matters?
quintaldo 10y ago
Would you elaborate ? Do you mean it's difficult to do so, because women have a way of making you talk ? That would be good evidence of their power of control.
dashaaa 10y ago
I mean, has he lied about what he does to, lets say, a woman at a bar
adioz- 10y ago
Excellent post. My question to you: how do you plan to have a family under these circumstances? I'm still climbing the ladder and I'm afraid that once I'm in a similar position like you, I'd be seriously disillusioned when it comes to women and raising kids. What's your strategy to finding the right one? Do you sometimes lose hope?
monsieurhire2 10y ago
The disillusionment makes it more challenging, but ultimately you find better people, because you refuse to settle for the illusion. Ultimately, though one could argue that since so much of reality is illusory, it's really just a matter of degrees of illusion. I look at that issue this way: even though you may not feel a sincere emotion at least at first, if you are willing to put on the pretense of that emotion, you are at least being considerate to people. This means, that there may not always be loving feelings between two people in a relationship, but if they each have good character, they can at least treat each other humanely during those periods, and from that kind of treatment real love can bloom. The key is finding a woman with character. In order to find her, you have to have character yourself, and you have to know the difference between good and bad character. The best-looking women often DON'T have the best character because all the unearned good treatment they have received has corrupted it. I try not to be looks oriented. I try to find someone I perceive to be somewhat attractive who makes me feel something and who seems to appreciate me, and then I go from there. That's on an individual level. Maybe that approach is wrong, but if there is no physical chemistry, it can be difficult to sustain a relationship.
I just got out of an LTR (maybe an MTR) that I knew was doomed from day one, but that I wanted to experience anyway. I think my strategy will be to go on lots of cheap dates, to not emotionally invest in any of them, and to try to screen for quality. I'll have to step my approaching game, which has always been middling to weak with me. I imagine that I will have to think carefully about each interaction, and journal about it. As for losing hope, that's dangerous, and I can say from experience that it leads to depression, etc. There's really no point in engaging in that experience. We're all going to die eventually. The point is to at least try to achieve these goals, provided that is what one wants to do.
One final thing is that I find it helps to have low expectations on outcomes, and to keep disappointments to oneself. For me, it would be enough to raise some children and thus do my part to pass on my ancestors' genetic legacy. If my wife turns evil, well I guess that's just a price I'll have to pay.
quintaldo 10y ago
"Qui veut faire l'ange fait la bète", whoever wants to act like an angel acts like a beast.
I mean that if you expect your woman to be more than an animal, you will somehow push her towards revealing her inner destructive beast whereas if you accept that she's just an animal with some human qualities attached, her human nature will be at ease for expressing itself.
Women see us men as animals as well. Don't have high expectations nor demands, at least beyond the lovey entry phase which is IMHO a necessity for reproducing. But I believe this love comes mainly from the child to come's soul. Once he's out of the bag... ahem. Things go downhill fast.
Said human qualities cant be demanded, it backfires.
opencover 10y ago
Interesting theory about the "two become one" phase at the beginning of a marriage. It was definitely there before the kids. After 5 years, gone forever. Wife made it intolerable for me to hold onto that so I let it dissolve.
15 years further on, we're still married but that hasn't come back.
It might have been the love of the kids' souls.
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ss_camaro 10y ago
Do you ever read what you write? The desire for marriage 2.0 is defacto gold-digging in the 21st century.
Sabarot 10y ago
He's in the wonderful honeymoon period a lot of Western men go through when they come to Japan. It is true, Japanese women just throw themselves at you if you flaunt a little status. You feel like a fucking rock star. I had some good times when I first got here. But you realise pretty quickly that marriage is at the very top of their priorities. Even in their 20's.
I haven't worked out how to do plate-spinning with Japanese women yet. They all expect exclusivity and commitment from the get-go so I don't waste my time. I'm sticking to the ex-pat population for now. My average-Joe Western schlong is very gratefully received after their disappointments with the local genitalia.
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ss_camaro 10y ago
Until a AMOG comes around the corner.
Hundred bucks says she's done her homework. If she's sticking around and pushing for marriage, she sees $$$$$. AFC = weakness (i.e. kindness). They smell bux like sharks do blood. Everything a women does is transactional: tingles or things. Your alpha self will thank me in 5 years for this bubble-burster.
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blazingblue16 10y ago
Holy shit you're plugged in deep... Women are women. Just because they're Asian that doesn't mean shit, same species.
ss_camaro 10y ago
Japanese guys are leaving Japanese women in the dust for a reason. AWALT.
quintaldo 10y ago
I know it's off topic, but I feel like quoting this from your link :
worms_to_mooch_sex 10y ago
Yeah ... America. "The milk's gone sour!!!"
monsieurhire2 10y ago
Sounds like a good deal. I always find Middle Eastern and Indian women attractive myself.
QueenSpicy 10y ago
Back when I was just starting my college career, I met a girl I had known all throughout grade and high school. We had always done similarly academically, and she was going to school for nursing. She was decent looking, but I would by lying if I didn't admit that her being a nurse was a factor. It fizzled out really early (her parents had a really strong hold on her still), but I always felt kinda weird about it. Do you think it's bad to actually have the thought, or the fact that I don't lie about it is the point. On some level I think it's a wise "investment" of time, on someone you know will be successful later in life. Sounds kinda terrible, but I never lied to myself about it.
tl;dr If women said it was what they were doing, or knew about but said they weren't doing it, would it make it more okay? Or is the fact that they think about it at all bad enough?
monsieurhire2 10y ago
Well, look at the opposite situation. Would it be better to waste time on a total loser, like a junkie, or someone with all kinds of behavioral problems who will then screw up your life? Nope. There's nothing wrong with assigning some value to a person's career prospects, and to their capabilities; I try to look at the whole person. I want someone well-rounded, and I'm sincere in that. I also know that high-earning jobs are few and far-between, and that for every such job, there are hundreds if not thousands of qualified candidates who will never get one, not based on their lack of ability, but based on luck, connections, social position, etc. Therefore, I never hold someone's lack of prestige against them, even though lack of prestige can be an indicator of certain issues, it is not determinative, and I usually suspend judgment based on someone's job. I never open with, "So, what do you DO?" I just went to a party where this oaf kept leading with that. He came across as a total, insincere douche. That would be what I would expect from any reasonable woman. I wouldn't expect them to like a slacker, but the whole disingenuous, "I just find engineers to be like, soooooooo interesting, that I want to marry one," to be something to avoid. If they like engineering so much, why didn't they study to become an engineer, hmmmmmmm???? They'd rather the guy do it, then piggyback onto his accomplishment.
But to answer your question, I wouldn't assign any culpability to assigning value to someone's career prospects; you just shouldn't make it your ultimate or primary value like many women looking for a "provider" do.
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The problem is that research shows that women 'value' the money/status of a man about twice as high as a man does in a possible mate. This is despite the fact median male incomes have not increased in 40 years, and median female incomes have increased by about 90% during the same time period in the US. What are we to conclude based on this data?
I have no problem with women having certain standards, they want a decent looking, good personality, decent career man that can be a good father to her children. But even when a career woman makes a lot of money, this tendency to seek higher status and more in a mate is still there. Her bar has just been raised in terms of what status level is acceptable to her.
The problem I have is when some women overemphasize earnings/status and literally sacrifice their own attractive tendencies for the man because they just want the money so badly. Having a lot of money has got to be somewhat of a curse unless you're just terrific at reading people. If the woman doesn't have sufficient physical attraction to you, you're going to have a terrible marriage that will be more likely to end badly or be devoid of passion and sex. That's a disaster.
monsieurhire2 10y ago
The high-earning women that constantly look for a man that makes more money than them really lack self-awareness and awareness in general. They must know that most wealthy hetero men got wealthy precisely to chase after younger women. They really need to just accept that a man who earns less money than them is one of the prices they pay for being high achievers.
opencover 10y ago
Then they just see those high earners as the winners in the competition. At any rate that competitive success (or their imaginng it) gemerates a tingle.
monsieurhire2 10y ago
Yes, but by entering the workforce en masse, they destroy labour's bargaining power, including their own, by doubling the labour pool, and then they cut down the number of potential mates for themselves, because they take lots of high-paying white collar jobs, and then they refuse to marry down.
QueenSpicy 10y ago
Thanks for making the distinction. I can't say i have ever not been interesting in someone based on what they are trying to become. To be honest the last half a dozen girls I have been interested in, it never even crossed my mind what major they may be doing. Obviously when it comes up I like to see if they find it interesting on it's merits, or the ability to be successful with it.
I am new to TRP, so just asking lots of questions trying to get the big picture. Thanks for the help.
monsieurhire2 10y ago
I never used to think about this stuff either until I got much older. It suddenly hit me when I was associating with some bohemian, do-gooder, hate-the-rich types. I noticed that while they professed to place no apparent value on money, they did have other values like looks, youth, style, prestige associated with social position within their hierarchy, ability to do things like give people rides or do favors (I was Mr. Popular when my car was working, and then not as much when it was in the shop). I then concluded that if even these people weren't idealistic, NOBODY was, and that everybody was mercenary and calculating. Then suddenly, everybody's behavior from junior high school on upward made sense, as did my own in many instances. Then I began to remember back to various instances where attraction had waned by things relating to earnings prospects, such as when I began to screw up academically.
opencover 10y ago
Very good comment.
If you ever study economics, try to take a course in "game theory". It explains, well, just about everything one sees in the world.
Also, being old, I remember the 60's and 70's. Those free-love "idealistic" types were nothing more than small minded little pricks and pussies. Very average intelligence too.
QueenSpicy 10y ago
I think it would be much better if people were just more honest about it. It kind of irks me when people get mad for judging one another; I mean isn't that kind of the purpose of life? Who we hang out with, want to mate with, etc. I think the aspect isn't troublesome until you refuse to hang out with a guy unless he has a nice car or whatever happens to be your poison. I mean I have a thing for asian girls, but I don't think I could ever rule anyone out based on something so trivial. But in an ideal world, they seem to be what I am most attracted to physically.
monsieurhire2 10y ago
Well, in our winner-take-all economy with the shrinking middle-class, money is serious business for women, because it can mean the difference between eating SPAM out of a can and going out to steak dinner. They've been watching TV for years and see all the bling sported by the celebrities, and they want it for themselves. It especially chafes if they have friends who start getting money spent on them. Then it becomes a vicious arms race of who can get more out of their man.
opencover 10y ago
Chicks have been like that forever. Remember Madonna's hit song "Material Girl" and the economy was pretty good then.
Guys should hint present or future material wealth, or just state it, but not lavish it on the girl. Let her think that's what she gets if she stays with you. Same as she (many women anyway) lets you think you get sex if you buy her fancy dinners.
stomptttt 10y ago
"I suspect if you're working for a living, you're not wealthy enough to attract a golddigger's attention, sorry."
Hahahaha, what? No fucking words
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carrotplanter 10y ago
Such is life
HumanSockPuppet 10y ago
I laughed so hard reading that that my sides are tender.
I don't want to be a misogynist, but how can I not be? YOU BITCHES AND YOUR HAMSTERS ARE OFF DA FUCKING CHAIN.
MahlerNinth 10y ago
I'm not a misogynist, I only hold women and men to the same standards. Oh wait, that is misogyny in hamster-logic.
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heist_of_saint_graft 10y ago
We're Not Misogynistic, Reality Is ™
cagethepepper 10y ago
That should be our motto.
cccpo 10y ago
I'm currently in medical school and one of my biggest fears right now is not being able to identify these types of women when I graduate and actually have time to really start dating. Luckily I've found TRP here and I have a friend who has a lot of TRP qualities but didn't know about TRP until I introduced it to him.
MahlerNinth 10y ago
When you go out clubbing or for drinks, keep something with you that's noticeably old, worn out or really out of date. Maybe a distinctively cheap watch beneath a nice dress shirt or jacket, or one of those old-style cell phones that people forgot about when smartphones came around.
If I pull out an old phone like that or pull back the sleeve of my shirt to show an old, beat up watch, I'll wait for the woman's reaction. The gold digger types are the ones who'll immediately notice how old or cheap that is, and they'll comment immediately. The moment I hear something derisive like "that's such a cheap, old phone - I thought a guy like you would own something much better", I mentally write them off, or put them on the ONS pump and dump list.
heist_of_saint_graft 10y ago
Next level shit.
sniperhiding 10y ago
My favorite one:
Girl says:
He says in post:
Take note guys. When a girl thinks you're HOT and INTERESTING, don't be alarmed when they act BORED, DISPASSIONATE, and UNINTERESTED. It's very normal. That makes TOTAL sense. /s
quintaldo 10y ago
it's "probably more likely". Because the truth is unacceptable. Golddigging whores all of them who try to deny this field report.
Okmanl 10y ago
OP misspelled r/askhamsters
6TLaRm4g 10y ago
/r/AskFeminists
worms_to_mooch_sex 10y ago
that would be an excellent name for our circlejerk
randomkloud 10y ago
/r/askhamsters
it exists, made it on a whim 'bout a month ago
worms_to_mooch_sex 10y ago
I hope there's questions on it. I want to answer as a hamster.
randomkloud 10y ago
well i haven't been promoting it so understandably it's not very active yet
7r1993rWarn1n9 10y ago
Hate to play contrarian, but you have to admit that, even setting the money aside, Medicine is a very high status career. A better test would be admitting that he's a doctor but pretending that, for some reason, he makes little money and that's unlikely to change. Say, he works at some underfunded place where they can't afford to pay him much but he loves it anyway because his calling was always to help the poor and disadvantaged, etc. That would help separate the ones that think "He's a doctor? Damn, doctors are hot!" from the ones that go "A doctor? He must be loaded!"
That said,
Damn those are some out of control hamsters, assuming she (or, heaven forbid, he) even believes that instead of conciously trying to shame OP for thinkcrime.
AveofSpades 10y ago
Even doctors that make little $ will fend off gold-diggers. Remember, women seek to find that beta, and cultivate him into the "man" she wants him to be. So see she's a guy with high income potential, and figures by throwing her pussy around a little bit, she can get him to reach his potential.
_DiscoNinja_ 10y ago
"If you make 20 Million, and your wife wants 10, you ain't starvin'. But if you make 30 thousand..... and your wife wants 15.... you might have to kill her." - Chris Rock
Everybody should be a little paranoid about gold diggers.
Sabarot 10y ago
Fantastic bit. Link.
monsieurhire2 10y ago
Yeah, but she may figure that once she gets the ring, she can be like, "Oh, baby, I want to have kids, and plus they need a nice lifestyle, so can you like go get a real job now, m'kay?"
incraved 10y ago
Finally, someone here with a reasonable reply
pro_skub 10y ago
That's an interesting view, but I'm not sure I would prefer this kind of women. Status, ranks, it means nothing. Talk to a person and get to know them, it's all there. Some have put themselves through certain studies, other had their reasons not to. There's nothing inherently better about ones or the others. The truth is that women are extremely superficial, if it's not for money it's for status. For the record, I'm not saying this because I'm bitter, I studied engineering, but that doesn't define me.
Pomnom 10y ago
I think that "status, ranks" that were given to you means nothing. But "status, ranks" that you earned is part of you, it's who you are, and it means something.
zenlike 10y ago
I find women with status more appealing.
7r1993rWarn1n9 10y ago
While I understand what you are saying, you want reality to match your very idealistic views. Personally I don't blame or look down on or disapprove of women liking high status men any more than I hate myself for liking pretty faces, slim waists and long legs. Both are just as superficial.
wiseclockcounter 10y ago
gotta throw this out there though... I think a career that takes half a lifetime to develop and lots of effort to be successful in goes a little deeper than looks do.
YouDislikeMyOpinion 10y ago
The illogicity of /r/askwomen is appalling
In this replyer's world view, there are two types of people. Multi-millionaire gold-diggers and normal girls. Completely illogical.
"impressed". Did the OP say that these girls were "impressed"? No. He said:
Impressed - To affect strongly, often favorably.
Okay, so he's a doctor and he affected them strongly and favorably THEN by virtue of the fact that they were "impressed" they became extremely interested and much more touchy feely...
Once again, doctor -> extremely interested, more touchy feely...
Next response.
Because there are no women that want to get with a guy because he has money. Ok.
This one is skirting around admitting that some women are simply cunts. Another thing is that she equates it to "bad character". Let me clarify and hope at the same time that she meant what I am going to say. Someone with bad character can look seemingly good from the outside. It's hard to screen for it. That's why so many guys fuck up and get married to these "good girls", only for us to see them get raped in court by the divorce.
I can do this all day. It really is ask hamsters.
Oh, also, side note. All the women there saying that it's not the money, it's because it's interesting, shows how much the man worked, admirable. Yep, that's hypergamy.
Dishmayhem 10y ago
Hooya master chief
serb1991 10y ago
I absolutely love the top comment: "I suspect if you're working for a living, you're not wealthy enough to attract a golddigger's attention, sorry." I mean, 500k+ a year is barely enough to get by.
rebuildingMyself 10y ago
Times are changing. Six foot minimum, seven figures minimum, must love cuuuurves because objectifying women is wrong.
Dishmayhem 10y ago
Speak the troof brother
[deleted] 10y ago
Same people who think high paying jobs like CEOs ECT sit on their ass all day and don't work 10hr days.
[deleted] 10y ago
No gold-digging women would go for a CEO with a multi-million-dollar salary because they work for a living. That shit is below them. /s
alt30313 10y ago
I enjoyed the misquoting and lying but for a woman to assert she's never met a woman that married primarily for money is hilarious.
rebuildingMyself 10y ago
Solipism. SHE has never seen it so it doesn't exist.
gekkozorz 10y ago
I wonder if there's some kind of correlation between how much a man earns and how much the women go for him?
DavidTIntellectual 10y ago
What's that from? OKCupid?
gekkozorz 10y ago
Yes.
MahlerNinth 10y ago
ha, I got banned for sharing that image there. It's easier to hamster excuses than look at real data.
gekkozorz 10y ago
Ugh. That's insane.
You shared a 100% statistic, and were kicked out just for pointed out a truth that the mods didn't like.
Fuck feminists.
MahlerNinth 10y ago
Not like I didn't expect it. The feminist mentality is confirmation bias taken to an extreme. If it fits the "evil patriarchy, poor repressed women" narrative, they'll listen to it and treat it as truth. Otherwise, they ignore it and rationalize one reason after another as to why it's wrong.
quintaldo 10y ago
Yeah, and don't forget that askfeminists have this rule
That's a verbatim quote from a post made inside a thread.
This image is linked to "top level comments" : http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8121/348994f8a4c74c5f81960e6.png
plumbobber 10y ago
the whole thing about making a lot of money is the gold diggers make themselves pretty obvious if you know what to look for. They also give up the pussy really fast. /pump and dump.
Noodle36 10y ago
Seeing clumsy gold diggers and concluding they're all obvious is like seeing through a shitty street magician's sleight of hand tricks and concluding that because you can't see any wires, David Copperfield is an actual wizard.
plumbobber 10y ago
Ask them to go Dutch on the first date. Gauge the next 11 seconds.
pro_skub 10y ago
"No true scotsman". No true golddigger would go for a working man, hence those are not golddiggers.
That thread reads like a compendium of fallacies. Women are so good at manipulation it's scary.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
Women have no physical strength and thus have biologically adapted a natural aptness for bending the truth and manipulating men as a survival method. They can then use this to make men fight each other.
The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar is worth a read, it's a depressing read but it's fucking true. Ironic it was written by a woman, she took a lot of heat for that.
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gekkozorz 10y ago
The [+20] I see next to his name begs to differ.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
Why?
entiat_blues 10y ago
absolutist evolutionary psychology is just another shade of blue.
randomkloud 10y ago
and gender's just a social construct.
entiat_blues 10y ago
gender is largely a social construct. that much is obvious if you take any time to see the differences in what constitutes a specific gender across cultures and across time.
ignoring the impact of culture on people is a nice deep blue too...
Zackcid 10y ago
It's actually insane reading those responses.
W-Z-R 10y ago
Serious entitlement
If you don't make it easy for us to assess your level of wealth, you're dishonest
Obviously, it's "interesting" I mean women just read anatomy books for fun don't they?
cagethepepper 10y ago
All women are gold diggers. Some are just more obvious than others.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
I love it when women buy me shit because of that. They're so averse to sharing resources with guys.
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gprime312 10y ago
Women are biologically programmed to seek out a provider, and rightfully so. This is was has kept our species alive. There is no shame in it, as most non-western woman and fewer western women will try to accomplish the old fashioned way by marrying a man they love and starting a family. However, it has become increasingly more attractive for women to seek out a man that will provide monetary resources, but provide nothing in return except a starfish every other week. This is what TRP tries to expose and explain. For a more female oriented sub-reddit, check out /r/redpillwomen They'll love to accept you :)
quintaldo 10y ago
Yeah I never heard that before. Hint : every time.
Another hint : if you wanted to discuss the topic, and not advertise your vagina and its incredible qualities (so different from these mean bitches we're talking about, you swear !) you wouldn't have mentioned your gender nor even implied it.
As I'm not a total hater I'll give you a piece of useable advice : stop saying or implying you're female, and I and others will appreciate discussing with you without thinking about your personal gender. This isnt another certain website so there is no "tits or gtfo" rule, but I hope you can get the point. Be anonymous, genderless, male by default, and your points might be respected for their own sake. As it stands, your message is the typical one I mocked :
Oh so you're not a parasite? Then dont mention your flytrap.
And I know your gender is relevant to the discussion. But you can, and should IMO, keep it hidden (letting us assume you're male.) Because you implying you're female trumps everything you may have to say. Suddenly, the message is "I AM FEMALE, I HAVE A VAGINA, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, IS ANY WORTHY MALE INTERESTED ?". There are exceptions to this but they are rare, and from my observation your message is very far from qualifying.
carrotplanter 10y ago
Nope
cagethepepper 10y ago
You're right, lots of women have been college educated to get good jobs, which is totally fine, but studies have found that if a woman earns X from her job, she will not want a man that earns less than X, as it would mean settling down. This equals more lonely men and women (not particularly a bad thing) which equals to a shrinking birth rate (that's the bad thing).
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quintaldo 10y ago
so people shouldnt "draw conclusions based on this subreddit" because it's a "haven for bitter men"
but you see, this implies that people draw conclusions through listening to other people's opinions and looking for some kind of consensus or group mind.
I wont deny that men arent immune to this type of thinking, but the contention of TRP is that we try to rise above it. We look for facts and sound reasoning. And results. You know, "male" things.
I mean, you can dismiss what i just said, but when you look at gender studies and the load of horseshit they are (all ideology, no facts) and feminist theory in general, and when you compare it to real studies like science (or STEM in general), there is a divide here (*).
Political ideology and irrationality on one side, pragmatic results and rationality on the other. That's the idea of TRP and the PUA community as well, and the manosphere in general. Again, not everything inside it qualifies, by far. But you're welcome to address the points in this vein, instead of throwing another female irrational deceptive tactic at us like you just did. Frankly, it doesnt even deserve an answer in this place. But there you go.
To try and say it simpler : you just said that people shouldnt believe what is said here because of who the people are who say such things.
That's not reasonable. That's only a valid way of forming opinion for people who cant think rationally and need to rely on group consensus instead. Hint : if they do, they have no reason to be here, they're still swallowing the feminist groupthink.
Come to think of it, this explains the whole effect that the MRA movement has on feminists. The feminists react to it, but they assume that the MRAs are like them : that they rely on listening to authority and group consensus. And the feminists try to address the growing MRA power by using tactics that are suitable for affecting groupminds. In my opinion that is a good thing. I'm not such a fan of the MRA movement as I may sound, and I believe that if it falls or changes under irrational attacks then it deserves to.
Keep it manly, boys. Or should I say, keep it up :)
(*) The divide between feminist ideology and science is demonstrated in this famous norwegian documentary : Brainwashing
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp0tg8_hjernevask-brainwashing-english-part-1-the-gender-equality-paradox_news
cagethepepper 10y ago
I've never been more at peace since finding TRP.
0Zen 10y ago
lol, if you pay attention you'll notice that those who are bitter are the newbies who just smashed into the concrete of reality, and i completely understand why they are bitter, the entire culture has been deluding them for most of their lives. All the members who are successful (self-improving, moving forward in life, getting lots of sex whether from many girls or holding down a redpill relationship) are pretty damn happy and just accept TRP framework as an aspect of reality that would be fruitless to be bitter about.
drallcom3 10y ago
I asked about the sudden change of interest at the mentioning of the word doctor. I was banned after 10 minutes.
W-Z-R 10y ago
It's very telling how since wising up, they're all over there trying to almost bring him down
"Doctors don't make that much"
"The men who worry about golddiggers are always the ones who aren't even rich enough to need to worry"
"There are loads of doctors you're nothing that special"
like they're trying to bring him down to their level since he's starting to realise his own value
foodstampsforpussy 10y ago
Dude, what the fuck is wrong with these people? I don't think that wanting to be with someone that actually likes you and cares about you is asking too much. Unless, of course, you don't care about things like that.
mistonag 10y ago
Someone lead this doctor guy into this subreddit, last thing I want is this guy to marry up the first used up slut that puts her mouth on his dick.
AveofSpades 10y ago
Of a new class of doctors, several are similar to OP. They've been studious and meticulous most of their lives, foregoing social life to achieve high marks. The good news is that they have a lot of compadres that kind of push them off this track and show them TRP in real life. Some are hopeless causes that just jump with the first chick that touches his dick, others wisen up quickly and spin plates to the x degree.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
LMFAO.
Money doesn't come in to it, never believe it when you hear that. Believe that. This is like saying "power is irrelevant." Yeah and I'm a fucking genie that shits leprechauns.
I messaged OP to check out TRP, if I can do my civic duty to save a man from becoming a whores personal piggy bank then fuck yeah I'm gonna do that. OP sounds somewhat naive but like his instincts are tingling past his social programming so there's a start.
Mouthpiece 10y ago
That was such a disgusting thread. Good on you for throwing him a life preserver. Let's see if he takes it.
[deleted] 10y ago
Right because 250k in medical student loans somehow surpasses the 150-350k average/year income that an attending brings in. lol.
evolvedcombatsheep 10y ago
You are a true soldier, IllimitableMan. Keep fighting the good fight.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
If it's not sarcasm I appreciate the love brother.
[deleted] 10y ago
If he were to tell them he was a nurse and took care of small children/old people, that would't mean shit even though that requires lots of education, compassion, commitment, work ethic, and intellect.
fiat_lux_ 10y ago
Really? A nurse that took care of children would still be looked down upon, even these days?
Would be a pity if true. It's technically not a bad career move.
Whatever, fuck the people who think that anyway. There are noble things worth more than relationships.
[deleted] 10y ago
Not looked down upon. Just kind of ignored.
heist_of_saint_graft 10y ago
Excellent counter-example. Male Nurse is even a running joke in those Fockers movies. Women see it as bitch work.
Villaintine 10y ago
A lot of it really is, but it all comes down to your SMV vs the woman's.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
Exactly, but hamsters gonna hamst.
gekkozorz 10y ago
You know how it is how when politicians or celebrities fuck up, they hire a PR firm to write an elaborate and tactful description of the situation that somehow manages to put the fuck up in question into a favorable light?
I feel like women have a part of their brain that does this automatically. Their tingles say "I wanna fuck a man who makes mad bank," but their mouth says "I respect men who are able to dedicate themselves to a field which they are passionate about."
quintaldo 10y ago
yeah, it's in a classic piece of the manosphere
let me dig that up, what was its name again
right, ladder theory : http://www.laddertheory.com/
The whole mating game is based upon this deception. If men would realize they're being hunted down by parasitic females before these parasites got a firm clutch upon their lives, they would never commit and the females would have to... work ? For real ? Like, building countries ? Teaming up for something else than manipulating men ? Not possibru. They're not wired for this.
MysterManager 10y ago
All of the replies in there were exactly what I would expect from r/askwomen, complete and utter worthless lies and fluffy bullshit. It should be renamed askcosmo.
gekkozorz 10y ago
We sometimes call it "askhamsters" around here.
Villaintine 10y ago
Every time I hear that term I start hearing the hamsterdance song in my head.
ilike2partyhowaboutu 10y ago
Very next thing is about money:
IllimitableMan 10y ago
I noticed that when I read it.
I expect the woman didn't even sense the irony in her own train of thought as she proceeded to immediately contradict her own thinking.
I noticed something special about irony when it comes to women.. it's like Harry Potter's invisibility cloak, they just don't fucking realise it's there.
You've just gotta love that, it's comical in and of itself. A flawless delivery of ironic principles with a simultaneous total ignorance to it. It's gold.
ilike2partyhowaboutu 10y ago
What happens when a man has "education, level of commitment to their job, the work and intellect and effort" going for him?
He becomes successful and that typically denotes more money.. or fuck.. more sheep if this guy is a fucking sheep herding stud genius with a uber trained wonder dog sidekick would make all the local gals stab each other for a chance to carry this man's seed!
Thanks for the tune! That guy has some pipes!!
ss_camaro 10y ago
And that, folks, is why big boys don't cry. They laugh.
vaker 10y ago
Essentially she just admitted:
rebuildingMyself 10y ago
As opposed to her student loan debts that will (hopefully) be someone else's problem. Someday....
des0115 10y ago
You know, it's interesting you say this. I am a woman, and when speaking to my male co-worker recently about my student loans and how my boyfriend doesn't have any, my co-worker actually said that my boyfriend SHOULD be helping me pay my loans. I found that laughable. While my boyfriend and I have been together many years and we share a bank account, it is not his responsibility to pay my loans. That's my shit, my education that I agreed to pay for. Why should he be expected to help me pay?
sentury111 10y ago
Hopefully?
alphamini 10y ago
I'm sure that money is important for a lot of them but when he said
it makes me think this guy is just not interesting at all and being a doctor is the only thing about him that can spark engaging conversation. I have friends (who are actually interesting and funny) that are firefighters and girls perk up when they hear that shit even though they start off at about $33k a year and probably won't ever make more than $50k.
So yes, a lot of the women are probably being selfish and trying to rope in a provider even though this guy is a bore, but some of them might actually think the job is genuinely interesting, admirable, or sexy.
BaltoSquadGuy 10y ago
As a firefighter new to TRP, this gives me further hope for the future. I was starting to think everyone was a software engineer haha
vaker 10y ago
Wrong example. Firefighter for some reason is the male equivalent of a supermodel in women's minds. Have you never seen that 'firefighter calendar' shit? Earning potential is not considered in their case.
[deleted] 10y ago
Well of course. He spent prime years of his life working his ass off trying to become a doctor. That shit doesn't just accidentally happen. So he probably didn't develop his social skills much.
alphamini 10y ago
That's kind of my point though. If he's just boring without and real justification for why, that's not a good sign. But if he isn't great socially and the woman finds out it's because he's spent his days and nights preparing himself for a profession that he loves, some people would find that admirable. I'm not saying it's black and white and the girl is either just interested in the career or just interested in the money, but I am saying that some of them are probably intrigued for the right reasons.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
A cogent point.
This is why you need to build yourself up in multiple areas.. saying we have here "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy"
alphamini 10y ago
Agreed. If a girl seemed average or slightly below in every way and then casually dropped the fact that she was an astronaut into our conversation, it would completely change my perception of her. She might be a dull person, but the fact that she has a challenging and unique job would absolutely pique my interest. It might seem shallow (and not because of money), but it really isn't much different than liking somebody because they can crack a joke.
quintaldo 10y ago
That's not how it works. You wouldnt be interested in her being an astronaut, if anything it would put you off.
What would make you suddenly perk up is if she let you know that she's good at sex, or has huge boobs, or can suck a tennis ball through a garden hose.
And girls do that a lot, leaving such clues when they want to spark interest.
alphamini 10y ago
You can speak for yourself, but don't tell me what I would or wouldn't be interested in. A ton of girls are good at sex, not as many have interesting careers.
Aerobus 10y ago
I PMed him as well. Hopefully he comes here and opens his eyes.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
I know a girl in real life.. 19.. dark triad crazy bitch.. fucking a doctor. He proposed to her... so fucking tragic.
As he doesn't know me directly but knows about me through her he fucking hates my guts (cuz she uses my existence as a weapon against him.. tells him she'll come to mine and fuck me when he pisses her off and etc) ....yes I do my best not to get involved in her silly power games. however I digress, I'd do the same for that guy as well. She's mining his earnings/earning potential for what it is and she's not even hit 20. He's 34.
It's fucking sad. He's already been divorced once. Some motherfuckers just never learn do they? Fucking hell.
Aerobus 10y ago
All I can say is that I'm so glad I'm learning about TRP at a young age. I'm in college right now (undergrad). I'm going to be so much better equipped later on.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
Same
Same.
I feel like already am but again, same.
The red pill is a beautiful thing, shit's probably saving lives, stopping men killing themselves and all kinds of shit.
Male suffering gets ignored, I'm not gonna get on a podium and start preaching some men's rights pastoral sounding shit however needless to say this place for all it's undeserved reputation is doing a lot of good and helping to give men back the power that successive crazy fucking governments and institutionalised feminism have taken away from them across western nations since world war 2.
Sweden is a fucking joke, I think TRP probably needs its own sub-board just for swedes... the Saudi of feminism holy shit.
When I see a woman in pain I wonder if it's a deception or not "playing the victim"
Men hate to play the victim (99.9%) so when I see a guy in pain and suffering I know that shits legit.
Unlike women men feel ashamed to be perceived as victims, part of being masculine is being strong. Woman use that shit as an engine to elevate their social position/get resources. It's basically part of their fucking prerogative. I mean look at almost every fucking divorce case that ever happened.... yeah, exactly that. Nuff said.
quintaldo 10y ago
you're forgetting the children
single mom households are a disaster, statistically
i should know, as should the previous generations of males who are overwhelmingly raised by women, divorce courts to be thanked for.
http://imgur.com/C008XqR
no_game_player 10y ago
Dude, you're an undergrad? Wow...I never would've guessed that. I figured you were one of the older posters somehow...
IllimitableMan 10y ago
I get that a lot
wolololololololo 10y ago
Is awesome for foreigners. I'm Australia and in Sweden I almost didn't even need to approach, let alone really need to put much effort into my game. I'd imagine most aren't great for LTR/Wife material.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
Swedish girls are thirsty?
IIHotelYorba 10y ago
Fucking L. O. L.
This is the a perfect example of nearly every female/feminist criticism of men. It's always the worst case scenario, the worst, most negative way you could possibly interpret an otherwise neutral situation.
I seriously wonder sometimes how many girls are in the Histrionic spectrum.
Zackcid 10y ago
What also surprises me is how they all dismissed his anecdotal experience and field testing. This guy's dated 30 women and they pretty much reacted the same way. If 90+% of women are all acting the same, why would it be weird to get worried? 30 women is statistically significant. It's huge.
ProudHoney 10y ago
It would be easier counting the ones that are not.
equeco 10y ago
Doctor here. This guy is an asshole. If your career open up doors and legs, enjoy it, be careful, and you gonna get to know a few very nice women. Instead, this loser endocrinologist is whining on the internet. What a cunt.
[deleted] 10y ago
I think he's whining more about the suddenness of the attention - he didn't get it before became a doctor.
He has a legit reason to be irritated.
heist_of_saint_graft 10y ago
These guy are prime RedPill candidates because they've seen hypergamy turn on them within their own lives. We should have a reachout program for guys in med school.
zenlike 10y ago
Physician here as well. Agreed on all counts.
quintaldo 10y ago
i think you guys are just cynically enjoying your status advantage, plowing whores left and right, and you're resentful that that guy is genuinely bitter after having discovered that women only want him for his money
you're manwhores:)
taco_roco 10y ago
Isn't this just shit testing?
I thought we looked down on that.
[deleted] 10y ago
A shit test is a woman throwing out nonsense to see how a man reacts and evaluate his strength. It is often a necessary part of the seduction process.
This guy was testing a hypothesis.
taco_roco 10y ago
From what I've gathered it's essentially a way for a woman to evaluate a male's SMV. Failing it lowers SMV.
I see plenty of parallels between the definition and his 'hypothesis'.
[deleted] 10y ago
That is correct. In any case, it's not something that is looked down on.
Okay, call it that. Clearly the women failed.
zombie_toddler 10y ago
I don't know about that.
Shit tests are what women use on interested guys to sort them based on their responses and whatnot.
What he's doing is checking to see if uninterested women magically get "attracted" to him if he brings up his career, proving that they're not attracted to him at all, that they're gold diggers.
taco_roco 10y ago
That's fair, but we have to assume the women are interested at some level because they're on the date in the first place. We also know that he was sorting them himself because he states it.
but we also don't know what he said specifically, so jumping to the 'gold digger' conclusion is, well, jumping to conclusions. Maybe they relate to the doctor aspect more because it's something more accessible/understandable?
For all we know he could have been downplaying himself far more compared to when he was open to being a doctor, i.e. casting himself as some orderly drone compared to an actual doctor.
zombie_toddler 10y ago
Not necessarily. He was talking about girls who he was just talking to like at bars/parties and such.
Nah, you're right, they showed little to no interest in him as a person, then he mentions he's a doctor and they get "all touchy-feely"(his words) and return his texts faster, etc.... it's gotta be because they're Doctors Without Borders activists -_____-
taco_roco 10y ago
Specifically mentions dates. If his idea of a 'date' is parties and bars, for 30 women, he either isn't treating them right or they aren't the most quality of women, results skewed either way.
It's possible that his test-persona comes off different than as a doctor (I'm also guessing he had to leave out some juicier details that would give him away), it's possible this is subjective analysis, different women altogether, etc.
But nope, gotta be a gold-digger riding the cock-carousel!
zombie_toddler 10y ago
Yeah, I'm sure your armchair analysis of his personal experiences are much more accurate than what he personally saw with his own two eyes, right in front of him.
Come on, man. This guy is LITERALLY an expert in the scientific process; he's a doctor, FFS, and his experiment showed he was right about women not being attracted to him and instead to his profession (read: money) were true.
taco_roco 10y ago
Nice. I'm offering an objective analysis of all the variables he would have a hard time/couldn't control for (i.e. what anyone versed in the scientific process knows to undermine any findings) and you just blow it off as 'armchair analysis'.
Think my analysis was more accurate than that too.
Being an endocrinologist doesn't make you an expert in psychology.
I also enjoy that you take his word as solid gold too. Nothing he's said could be wrong, at all.
zombie_toddler 10y ago
You're also dismissing his results even though yes, you're sitting far, far away from this man and were not present at any of the numerous encounters he's been in. I put more faith in his personal experiences than in someone who wasn't there.
I'd have more faith in the word of a med student/doctor whose story appears to fit with others' experiences (he's not the first doctor on reddit who has written about this, a different guy complained about basically the same thing about 9-10 months ago) than from a guy who's only here to criticize, judge and question for no reason.
blazingblue16 10y ago
WTF?! I really doubt you know what the scientific process is.
alt30313 10y ago
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RedInHeadandBed 1 point2 points3 points 12 hours ago
No, you are not paranoid. There are women like this. Fucking a doctor means nothing, but marrying one means a lot to many women. Sounds like you have a good plan for weeding them out though. And certainly some doctors have used this angle to score women. I know it's been used on me. lol
Because the bottom line is that they would interest way sooner than a minute after you say you are a doctor, if they were really interested in you as a person. Good luck
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TheRosesAndGuns 4 points5 points6 points 11 hours ago
No, I don't think men like you are being paranoid. I think that you should be very careful with who you become involved with when you have that kind of money and status, as it can all quite easily go wrong.
Storytime: My brother earns a very good wage at a nuclear power plant. He's on roughly double the normal monthly wage, and he does well for himself. About 4 years ago, he met a girl a couple of years younger than me (so about 17 years younger than him) who seemed lovely to begin with. They got engaged and had a child... Then she left him with over £10,000 worth of debt (that she ran up in his name) and a lifetime of child support to pay.
He is now left with £12 at the end of the month after all the bills and child support even though he has his daughter more often than her mother does...
Yeah, be wary. Remember, not all women are like this, but there is a percentage of women who are.
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ilike2partyhowaboutu 10y ago
How dare he hide his actual worth!! That MONSTER!!!! /s
[deleted] 10y ago
ALL WOMEN ARE WHORES. Keep them and their money grubbing hands away from me
ur2l8 10y ago
This is why I'm marrying a woman I met in my residency.
REDDITCanSuckMyCOCK 10y ago
How stupid are you?
ur2l8 10y ago
I mostly peruse this subreddit because I find it interesting, not because I really apply it to my own life. I'm Catholic (religious) so that may explain the situation, as is my fiancée.
RedSpectrum 10y ago
I really wish all guys doing prehealth studies could learn trp. I and a few other prehealth friends have swallowed either thru this forum or by self teachings and experience but almost all young male doctors are going to turn out like this guy.
A pre-optometrist friend said it best: RedSpectrum, before you marry get a prenup because all women are fucking sluts.
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johnnight 10y ago
we feel your pain, girlbro ;)
Mooshaq 10y ago
Those are probably some low-life guys that just wanna get fat, let their girl pay everything for them and do nothing with their lives.
For me, I get excited when I hear a woman in a medical profession because I actually have someone with which to talk science. I don't give a shit about how much money she makes. On a side note, I'm super happy that I already discovered TRP, because I'll be getting my medical license in three years.
RedSpectrum 10y ago
Same bro, im hopefully entering dental school come 2015
randomkloud 10y ago
third year dental student here welcoming you in advance, dentistry is a really okay profession. hope you wouldn't mind having a woman's (or anyone really) teeth the be first thing you notice and look at.
watersign 10y ago
hopefully someone can link this guy to this sub so he can see the reality. he's done his time and is now a pillar of society, the least we could do is guide him
mbr902000 10y ago
Women love the "D"
ate2fiver 10y ago
In all fairness, the OP asked for it. Literally.
[deleted] 10y ago
Holy shit, they want to believe their myth so badly.
rule_of_law 10y ago
Let's break down a real difference between men an women here:
Looks will instantly attract more men to women. Money and status will instantly attract more women to men. Neither is inherently wrong. Both instincts have to be managed with maturity, or wrong things will happen.
Men say this (that looks are important) regularly, giving women an exact idea of where they stand. Women here had a chance to meet this fact head on, and address the issue and move past it. Instead, you get denial.
What's fucked up is that women won't tell the truth even when they're anonymous, which suggests that they benefit from the lie.
asexist-throwaway 10y ago
Or both are.
rebuildingMyself 10y ago
"I don't like a man just because of his large paycheck!"
Translation: No man with a large paycheck will wife me up :(
FloranHunter 10y ago
They benefit from lying to themselves, anyway.
randomkloud 10y ago
truth. Looks are important to spark that attraction but It's not like we are all shallow pieces of shit, I know thoroughly average looking girls who manage to be very attractive (to me at least) with their great personality.
Doesnt mean looks arent important but in my eyes, within limits, being a cool person can make up for deficiencies in other departments.
nicethingyoucanthave 10y ago
Interestingly, whiteknights deny it, but they aren't rewarded for their attempts to massage the female ego.
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It actually makes some sense. White Knights tends to be inferior or lower-status men, and they most often know this. They will never get the top women, and have accepted that.
So they play to women who understand subconsciously (no matter how delusional their conscious mind may be) that they will never 'win' a competition based on the beauty standard. Thus, by denying this universally known truth, white knights signal to ugly women a willingness to mate with them.
They are saying, 'You can't win an elite man. But I won't judge you like they will. You can win me'.
gekkozorz 10y ago
Women want to turn men into white knights because they get off on having men as underlings.
Thing is, underlings don't give women tingles. Thus the fact that white knights don't get laid.
Basically, it's a Chinese finger trap: the poor saps starting white knighting to get out of the friend zone, it doesn't work, they white knight harder, and they get friend zoned even harder.
[deleted] 10y ago
Yes but they honesty think they will be rewarded.
ilike2partyhowaboutu 10y ago
hope
riskrowe 10y ago
They are rewarded, but it's only with praise and attention. Like a trained dog.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
Pavlovs fucking dog.
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[deleted] 10y ago
Hank Green is a great example
gprime312 10y ago
Why do you say that? (Though I totally see where you're coming from)
[deleted] 10y ago
He seems to be a pack leader in the white knight crowd. If you followed his actions on that post regarding the 3 teenage boys making a video about what they like in girls, you'll see how much of a fag WK he is.
sulopejur-2 10y ago
What...
Really, what do you say to something like that?
This guy discovered an attribute about himself that's attractive to women. He's disappointed.
Why not just start sucking cocks at that point.
zombie_toddler 10y ago
It's dismaying because if a woman only wants your money, guess what's likely to happen if you marry her? That's right, she'll get a divorce and take half your stuff + alimony + child support.
[deleted] 10y ago
He wants to believe the lie most of us grew up believing - that women care far more about personality and character than money and status.
Hopefully he will eventually recognize the positive position he is in.
worms_to_mooch_sex 10y ago
Time to turn gay.