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- Hide Preview | 146 Comments | submitted 11 months ago by Kurush559 [Post Locked]

There are two particular types of post/comment on asktrp and the main sub that really make me question whether The Red Pill is doing its job or not. Here is one of them:

Is lifting/frame/noporn/sobriety actually worth it? I've been doing it for 3 months and I don't see much of a difference. Does anyone have any experience/proof that shows how it's been good for them?

This is usually followed by as much hamstering as possible in order to rationalise laziness and mediocrity because OP hasn't seen life changing results yet - although quitting an addiction could indeed provide such results in as little as three months.

The thing is, folks:

We're right and you're wrong.

It's a shame that this sounds so dogmatic and totalitarian, as neither of these things lends well to the intellectual bettering of a community, but it's simply true. We have the experience to back our claims up, and you don't. We know that two years of lifting is life changing because we've done it. We know game actually helps get laid in and outside of LTRs because we've used it successfully. The difficulty for you, a skinnyfat beta, is trusting us enough to put in the work that yields the results that we've already reaped. Yet it's necessary for your improvement. And it works. We know this because we've done it.

Here is my other example:

A girl would never stay exclusive to you whilst letting you sleep around

Girls won't fuck you on the first date unless they're already a huge slut

Girls won't want to be treated like a blowjob dispersal machine

These men make claims about the behaviour of women that are undermined precisely by the fact that they indicate a lack of knowledge of that behaviour. More specifically, a lack of exposure to women as sexual creatures and the way they behave for a high value man.

To anyone who sees this and gets defensive because they make similar comments - ask yourself, when you tell us how women do and don't act, how do you know? I've had men tell me I'm lying about fucking 5 girls in a week, or having an n-count of 10 at age 18 (which isn't even impressive compared to some) . I've seen men deny that some ECs in their 40s are able to plate 21 year old college girls.

They've never had their own harem.

They've never had a girl beg for them to come over to fuck them.

They've never had a girl randomly buy gifts/holidays for them.

They've never had a girl thank him for coming in his mouth or on her face.

They've never seen the look on a girls face as shes lying on your chest looking up at you after a hard fuck.

They've never been loved the way a girl loves an alpha.

This inclination against belief is not well placed but symptomatic of a lack of exposure to the world and relationships of a high value man. It doesn't matter whether you believe I can have a loyal LTR and fuck girls on the side. It doesn't matter whether you think some of us can have effortless foursomes. It matters whether YOU think you can do that, because without that belief you won't act in a way favourable to your being able to do so.

If you want to reject our claims of sexual strategy and our successes then try it first. See what happens when you go from a 4 to an 8. See what happens when you tell your doting girlfriend that you're gonna sleep around. See how hard she fucks you when she finds out you're seeing other chicks.

We're right and you're wrong. Trust the process, make that journey, and then we'll listen.

[-] ChadowyFigure 52 Points 11 months ago

I was skeptical at first, as I am about everything. I have always been able to attract women pretty well, but did not understand why exactly.

I do now. Not only did taking the pill explain about a thousand incidents with women in my past (I am still remembering things sometimes and internally going "Ohhhhhhh, that's what she was on about"), but being red pill aware and lifting weights the past few months has driven the point home so much that it is almost scary.

As I said, I've always gotten attention, but this might actually make it easier for me to notice the difference a little work makes. Bitches at the bar are like, waiting on me now. Giving me free food and drinks. Tripping over their words. Staring. Literally wrapping their hair around their whole face sometimes (which sounds ridiculous I know, but I swear to god). I am married so I don't fuck them (despite constantly practicing my game now) - but I sure as hell could. It is actually kind of gross.

I n-closed a chick at my insurance office right in the lobby with my wedding ring on by dropping well timed innuendo and hints.

I walked around a corner the other day, on the other side of which two women were having a conversation; the one who was talking stopped and trailed off mid-sentence as they both openly gawked at my body, like something out of a sitcom.

A few weeks ago I caught a woman checking out my junk at the grocery store and I laughed loudly, embarrassing her in front of onlookers. Then as my wife and I were leaving the store later, we crossed paths with my dick-starer and she came up to me and fucking apologized. I will never forget the look on my wife's face after she got the answer to her "What was that about?"

Speaking of my wife, she is a puddle for me almost all the time now. Openly admits that my new physique "makes her feel shallow", which is probably because her and all other women really are wired up to be super shallow. She has done new unexpected things in bed that are super hot, like gratuitously licking my now beefier forearms while I am pinning her down.

We can perhaps argue about the corners of red pill praxeology, debate the evo-psych underpinnings, or theorize about the specific impact to society and political ramifications - but believe me when I tell you that it is by and large correct, and the techniques work well. I went from scattered unpredictable interest from some women, to walking into a room and getting a palpable feeling that most of the chicks there want to crawl all over me, and I am not even that cut yet.

Seriously guys, I did not want to believe at first, but save yourself some time and listen to OP: it really do be like that.

[-] MattyAnon 29 Points 11 months ago

Openly admits that my new physique "makes her feel shallow"

Haha I love this... after centuries of women claiming the superior moral position because they are not attracted to their beta providers, they have to admit that they're shallow as fuck when they get what they really want.

[-] Kurush559 22 Points 11 months ago

It really, really do be like that.

[-] Whisper 14 Points 11 months ago

Openly admits that my new physique "makes her feel shallow", which is probably because her and all other women really are wired up to be super shallow.

Women actually think they aren't shallow. How delusional can you possibly be? Men know from the moment we are old enough to be self-aware that we are shallow as fuck, nothing but apes wearing pants, but women are actually dumb enough to believe their own hype. It's hilarious.

[-] ChadowyFigure 4 Points 11 months ago

How much mental energy did I expend over the course of my life to try to rise above this inclination in myself? Learning to be a good person entails actively trying to not be shallow because you realize that it is shitty to treat people differently because of superficial characteristics beyond their control. Before the pill, I thought that all thinking people who weren't assholes felt this way.

As you say, not only are women not trying to fight this instinct in themselves - but to a large extent they are completely unaware of it somehow. Or perhaps they simply don't care.

[-] Whisper 6 Points 11 months ago

Learning to be a good person entails actively trying to not be shallow because you realize that it is shitty to treat people differently because of superficial characteristics beyond their control. Before the pill, I thought that all thinking people who weren't assholes felt this way.

We created TRP as a "moralization free zone" precisely to get away from this kind of thinking, so that we could focus on the facts.

But this idea is demonstrably wrong on rational grounds alone. Consider:

If I treat girls differently because they are fat or slender, this idea would say I was behaving "badly". But if being fat is not under their control, then where is the evidence that my reaction is under my control?

If they suffer from Compulsive Cake Eating, then do I not also suffer from Compulsive Thin Girl Dating?

How do we decide what's under someone's control and what isn't? How would we devise an experiment to test such a thing?

[-] ChadowyFigure 4 Points 11 months ago

Word. This is just free will vs. determinism, though. I assume free will exists to a certain extent because of my internal experience deciding things, but this could be cognitive smoke and mirrors hiding an inevitable process and reaction.

Regardless, I choose to draw this line at behavioral choices. In all but the most basic reflexes, one has to cognitively choose their behavior (or experiences the illusion of this), so I try to judge people based on what they do. Perhaps they are psychologically compelled to be shallow and treat people rudely because of it or whatever, but if that is the case they are still a shitty person, in my opinion, just for different reasons.

But I wasn't trying to moralize or start a philosophical discussion. Certainly my ideas about right and wrong are more in flux these days than in a long time.

[-] Whisper 2 Points 11 months ago

This is just free will vs. determinism, though. I assume free will exists to a certain extent because of my internal experience deciding things, but this could be cognitive smoke and mirrors hiding an inevitable process and reaction.

Free will vs. determinism is not only beyond the scope of TRP, it's beyond the scope of anything. It's an unanswerable question, because you cannot devise a test that would discern between the two.

Fortunately, it's also a question we don't need to answer. If someone acts in a way we find obnoxious, the question is not "is it their fault?" but "how likely are they to repeat the behaviour?".

[-] Shaman6624 6 Points 11 months ago

IDK if you know/would like to share but: What are your weight and height now and before starting lifting? and do you look ripped?

[-] ChadowyFigure 4 Points 11 months ago

I am not sure what it was exactly before lifting; I have active hobbies so I was at least pretty trim and fit at the time I started, maybe 180 lbs? I weighed myself a minute ago just for you, and am around 190. Just over 6' tall. I am also lucky enough to have an attractive face.

I wouldn't say I am ripped. My arms and pecs look great in a tight t-shirt, although my abs are ghostly (but would probably break through if I stopped bulking). Still, my stomach looks flat and good enough in a shirt that I get a lot of looks at my belly/crotch area. My legs have always been like tree trunks, and I am now having to slowly replace every pair of pants I own as I become unable to fit inside them anymore.

So I am muscled but not what I would consider "ripped". I am still one of the biggest guys I see around though, which is hilarious, although I do live in a particularly bloopy city in a particularly bloopy state.

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[-] ReaperX44 5 Points 11 months ago

I just experienced this yesterday at a local lady Jane's. All the attention felt fucking empowering coz it never happened to me before prior to lifting.

[-] Malakyas_ 1 Point 11 months ago

So your marriage got only better?

[-] ChadowyFigure 3 Points 11 months ago

This is mostly true, yes. But there are some unusual circumstances in my case, so I don't think you should read anything into my particular experience.

The main thing is that I was pretty alpha before I even took the pill, so my wife didn't have to deal with a Jekyll and Hyde thing to a huge extent. I am more sarcastic and tease more (But I was already merciless, now I am insufferable), I am more even tempered, and I lift, but I don't think much else about my outward personality has changed in a way that someone could put their finger on specifics. So my wife has had less adjusting to do than most, I think.

Also, I told her about the pill and encouraged her to read Rollo, as I am simply not interested in being married to someone I have to hide major life events from. She has skimmed and seems to have no interest beyond not wanting me to run dread or negs, which is really funny because dread is amazingly effective on her. I don't need to "run" it though - just going outside with her and/or being honest about the events of my day usually does the trick. Women are so used to people blowing smoke up their ass that just telling them what you really think seems to provide plenty of negs and dread on its own, and being brutally honest in this way is something that I've always done.

[-] Malakyas_ 1 Point 11 months ago

Negs is negatives? Dn't have read up abot negs and dreads

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[-] huggyblossom 51 Points 11 months ago

Fast 2 things:


- IDGAF and Abundance are easier to maintain as you age up, since you generally start to get them naturally as a life model, since you have to observe way more shit from people in work/wife.


- NEVER try to make other people act TRP way or try to get your RP views on friends/co-workers/family - if a person wants to learn the way and TRP knowledge, he will generally bring himself to them.

[-] Kurush559 12 Points 11 months ago

You're definitely right about how things come with age. I'm still a young guy with such little experience compared to some of the guys here - but I trust them because I can see the process working in front of my eyes

As regards telling other people about TRP - I'm not sure it's ever worth it.

[-] warlordchad 7 Points 11 months ago

I struggle with that second point, even though I generally agree--when I've brought up certain RP ideas with friends without explicitly bring up "the red pill", I've gotten mixed reactions.

One of my buddies who's married actually ended up stumbling across TRP, so now we can talk about it, but other guys have shied away. The flak you get from people generally is interesting: I've been told I'm being a player, that I'm treating women poorly, that I'm a misogynist, that I don't respect the women I date, but IDGAF--because in the next sentence they want me to tell them the stories about dates and lays, etc.

It's funny too, when people find out you're dating younger women. I'm in my late 30's, and when people ask how old this or that girl is, and I'm like, "25," they usually say something like: wow, that's pretty young. And then I just shrug my shoulders. So far I haven't got the whole: "why don't you date women your own age?" but I'm sure it's coming.

Anyway, this post is spot on--TRP works, and to whatever extent you can follow the advice you get here the better. My next project is sobriety and a better focus on my mission and SMV.

[-] LMM-GT02 11 Points 11 months ago

On point two, you cannot change people if you drop RP nukes on their mind. It will not set in and will be rejected for being too extreme. But if you bring in RP understandings into their life through comedy or pointing out obvious behaviors they may have not noticed in themselves and others, it will steadily work it’s way into the mind if it is constantly confirmed in their daily life. Once they see the advantage of RP thinking and get a real or mental benefit, they will slowly change. It’s unproductive to take tons of RP principals and sledgehammer your life with them. Let them sit in your mind and let them slowly manifest themselves into your thinking and behavior.

I had a buddy whose GF who wanted to go on a break. He was fine with it and she told him it was not an excuse to be hoe. I told him that it looks like she is trying to hoe around, which would be obvious to anyone here. Six months later I was more than right, I was dead on accurate with my “analysis” of his situation and I guarantee I changed his way of thinking at least a bit.

[-] TheBunk_TB 7 Points 11 months ago

The minute a woman asks for a timeout or a break I would tell them to not bother coming back. There is a good chance she made up her mind already and the only way she comes back is when things fall apart with (x). The return journey is always at a deficit of the original condition.

[-] LMM-GT02 4 Points 11 months ago

My buddy got to even the score. The accounts are balanced now, but they are still together. No gain without pain.

[-] TheBunk_TB 3 Points 11 months ago

No problem as long as he is on top of the situation. Sounds good.

[-] LMM-GT02 4 Points 11 months ago

You reap what you sow, and if are confused about your result, you are ignorant of the truth. TRP brings the truth.

[-] OfficerWade 3 Points 11 months ago

You live and learn. The red pill isn’t meant for guys who are still virgins. They need to experience the cold for themselves. They need to feel that natural urge to take what god doesn’t give them, in the case of relationships indeed all is fair in love and war. But nobody is born a Mozart or Beethoven. It takes practice and dedication. The piano notes won’t make the sonata come to life. The notes don’t mean anything. They are but symbols of symbols , twice removed from reality.

[-] abdo286 2 Points 11 months ago

Could you please elaborate the 2nd point because I didnt get it well

[-] eddddddddddddddddd 25 Points 11 months ago

People can only change if they choose to do so themselves. You cannot (or will have a really really hard time) convincing someone to change who they are or how they see life. Same logic applies to drug addicts.

[-] Pelmaleon -1 Point 11 months ago
  • NEVER try to make other people act TRP way or try to get your RP views on friends/co-workers/family - if a person wants to learn the way and TRP knowledge, he will generally bring himself to them.

Never? That doesn't sound very generous.

[-] reversec 6 Points 11 months ago

not good if it's unsolicited.

just blend in until they get the eyes.

[-] huggyblossom 4 Points 11 months ago

Well it's discussed many times and from my personal experience the damage you will cause is far less than the positive outcome.


I lost 2 friends that were in deep love with cheating LTRs and it's just not worth it. You can give a hint about the RP, but with the most of society acting feminine it's just not worth it in the long run.


I can be wrong, TRP also gives as a lesson to not believe anything you read 100% and your best bet is to wait the right moment when you have someone that looks like in need of RP knowledge and you will see yourself if I am right or wrong.

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[-] KingMike1997 40 Points 11 months ago

Interesting how you mention two years with the lifting and self improvement. Think about how pathetic that is. We live 80 years, and in 2 years you can be a stratosphere above your fellow man. I’ve been red pill aware for 2 years, and I have been lifting for two years. I gained 25 pounds of muscle, along with building game and wealth. Even after 18 months, it appears that I’m playing the game damn near on god mode. The average male just has no shot against me, and they treat me like a servant. Keep in mind, 18 months. Given I have good genes, as I’m a smidge over 6 feet and have a “pretty face” with blue eyes, this shit didn’t do nearly as much as the red pill self improvement doctor order did for me. Great post. Just fucking lift man and eat an assload of chicken!

[-] Shaman6624 5 Points 11 months ago

I would like to hear a succes story like this from guys who are of average height. I'm 5"10 and 154 lbs. And I'm training hard + on a strict caloric surplus now. My goal is to weigh +- 170 lbs at the end of the year. I don't have bad appearance/genes I'm at like top 40% ? But Like trp knowledge says you have to be atleast in the top 20% So. Are there any men here that have experienced this "godmode" that weren't over 6 feet?

[-] MarcosDomingues 2 Points 11 months ago

I started lifting before finding trp, my stats currently are 5'7 165, 400/240/430 and I never experienced this so called "godmode" like when I'm walking around I barely get noticed lol, unless you're on a cycle lifting will never make you stand out from other people to the point where everyone is mirin' you

[-] FrancisNevettshire 5 Points 11 months ago

No idea but maybe no one 'mires you because you don't have a strong jaw?

[-] MarcosDomingues 1 Point 11 months ago

Yep that to I have a receding chin and a round face

[-] FrancisNevettshire 1 Point 11 months ago

A while ago I heard about mewing (see youtube). Maybe you'd even be interested to see this man Dr. John Mew I think. The regular mewing practices maybe will not yield considerable results anymore, so I don't want to give you false hope. But with appliances the orthodontist may be able to do way more. If you want it fixed why not give it a go.

[-] MarcosDomingues 1 Point 11 months ago

I'm already aware of all the science about mewing and the orthotropics methods. Also I don't know of any orthodontist in my area that uses jaw expansion devices. And they are way too expensive. The fagga appliance, which is the one that I need, costs like 3500€

[-] FrancisNevettshire 1 Point 11 months ago

Don't you want to spend that kind of money in this one life on your face? I would take a plain to Great Britain to see Dr. Mew

[-] Atheist_Utopia 1 Point 11 months ago

Does the jaw really matter that much? Numerous people have commented on my 'strong jaw for an asian', yet the rest of my face is kind of mediocre.

[-] FrancisNevettshire 1 Point 11 months ago

If you have an okay face then it's okay I presume. But if you have a real melting face it just looks deformed ... well it is a deformity compared to what a human is supposed to look like. Anyway you can always try to improve some more with mewing practices.

[-] trollreign 3 Points 11 months ago

It paints a sad picture about TRP that your comment has negative points. And this is supposed to be the "community" that knows how to accept hard truths.

[-] MarcosDomingues 1 Point 11 months ago

Probably because most guys here are novices who furiously jerk off to the idea that gymcelling will put them above all men in the dating market, when the truth is that face and height is what makes you stand out.

They see all these guys on social media like Zyzz, David Laid and Jeff Seid and they think that the only thing that separates them from those guys is their physique, but you take the body away and you realize that those dudes have every aspect in their life maxxed to the core.

My point is, lifting for women is cope

[-] RisingTideXIII 3 Points 11 months ago

Yea I'm 5'7" at my biggest was 171 but cut to 160 recently. I get admired all the time its just all in the eyes. I'm also the only black dude in most of my interactions and circles. I find that I'm soft nexting a majority of women I meet.

But i never had problem with attracting women even when I was a clueless beta. I must just be Tyrone without knowing it

[-] unn4med 3 Points 11 months ago

Ahaha Tyrone = black Chad. Never thought about it like that ????

[-] Marketing_Baboon 2 Points 11 months ago

Sorry to say dude but it's because you're short. My stats are near the same as yours, but I'm 5'11". People notice.

[-] MarcosDomingues 2 Points 11 months ago

Average height in my country is lower, not even 5'9 so it's not a big deal. When I visited Ireland every dude heightmogged me by at least 4-5 inches lol

[-] Marketing_Baboon 2 Points 11 months ago

Eh, still kind of a big deal. Girls don't look at the average to decide what's tall. I'm convinced that's why so many Asian girls prefer white guys over Asian guys, the asians just don't have height game on average

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[-] Pelmaleon -6 Point 11 months ago

The only issue is what "god mode" alpha would still spend time on this sub or on reddit? I'm having a difficult time imagining such a person. I'd imagine a single alpha friend's advice 2 years ago would had been much, much more useful to you seeing as you are still spending precious life energy at the computer on this sub instead of living your best, god mode life. So what's the holdup, killer?

[-] ihatebrkfast531 19 Points 11 months ago

Always room for improvement, and it is a great way to stay refreshed. Some guys also feel passionate about these topics, and actually want to help.

[-] jamesbond0512 5 Points 11 months ago

All the way. This is like a compilation of books. Stories about others that seem fake but proved otherwise with trp analogies.

Just like anything in life, when you get comfortable, complacent, that’s when you should revise because something isn’t right. There should be a constant renewal of strategies. And if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it you say? You should still look it over to make sure. The only certain thing in life is uncertainty.

[-] redhawkes 25 Points 11 months ago

It’s ironic, because if the things they did worked, they wouldn’t need TRP. They know something’s wrong, but are too afraid or their ego prevents them to act.

If something you do doesn’t work, change it.

As for the other thing, it’s just lack of experience, they haven’t opened that door yet.

[-] TwentyEighteen 9 Points 11 months ago

Yeah ego is a huge barrier to reaching the truth.

[-] cupshadow 3 Points 11 months ago

When I finally decided to start lifting, my thought was "what do I have to lose?".

My life wasn't working as a skinnyfat guy anyways, might as well get fit and see what happens.

[-] TwentyEighteen 20 Points 11 months ago

This is true to an extent, but not completely. There are guys with tons of experience with women that attribute their success to the wrong things. This is because they inherently possess value or subconsciously apply successful game tactics. Just because you have success doesn’t mean you’re right

[-] Kurush559 23 Points 11 months ago

If I had to condense my post into one proposition it would be 'the redpill schema/process (lifting, learning game, frame, focusing on mission) is always beneficial to a man's sexual strategy.

That proposition isn't any less true if some guys are successful without having gone through the process. So my post is completely true AND your comment is true at the same time

[-] ChrimsonChin988 3 Points 11 months ago

I completely agree, just because I and others on here believe that TRP is the 'best' way to do it, doesn't mean it's the only way. I know dudes who have beta af tendencies etc but because they're social/funny and good looking still get laid plenty. Skinny guys that dress like homosexuals but still get laid because they have that quirky thing some girls like etc.

Tbh, there are plenty of valid ways to get laid because girls can be attracted lots of things. There's really no right or wrong way, some methods will just get you laid more consistent/effectively and personally I think a RP mindset will be most successful long-term and it's congruent with my lifestyle.

Some men don't want to have a harem, they just want a single girl and that's fine. However, they can still learn many things from TRP like don't get married and be high value. There are 1000 ways to be of 'high value' you don't necessarily have to lift, but at least get off your ass and do something that will add to your life and those around you etc.

[-] omega_dawg93 15 Points 11 months ago

"... I've been doing it for 3 months..."

3 fucking months?!? and the world is supposed to change THAT quick?


WTF is wrong with people?

[-] RightHandWolf 18 Points 11 months ago

The problem with instant gratification is that it takes too long. - Anonymous

[-] wobbleelbbow 8 Points 11 months ago

Some people think that reading about TRP for 2 years is enough to make them into "alpha". But without real time experience their knowledge is useless.

[-] omega_dawg93 7 Points 11 months ago


I'm in south Louisiana and apparently, you're also red-pilled and alpha if you place a big red bumper sticker on your lifted chevy or ford pickup truck that reads, "redpilled!"

yep... that's all you need to do.

[-] RightHandWolf 8 Points 11 months ago

You could even extend this to the college degree versus real world experience debate. There are plenty of people that have book smarts, i.e. they can regurgitate facts and figures and examples from whatever texts they've read. The problem comes when it's time for a practical demonstration of said knowledge; theory only takes you so far, and a lot of people crash and burn if something goes a little different from what they were taught. That's why going out there and doing the "fieldwork" matters. You have to calibrate constantly, and that requires being able to read the situation. The bitch of it is that reading the situation is something that can only be learned by experience. Think of it this way: if your house is on fire, do you want someone with actual training and experience, or are you gonna just hope for the best with the guy who binge watches the Chicago Fire box set?

[-] omega_dawg93 4 Points 11 months ago

the first rule of the fight club is...

[-] Sparky159 3 Points 11 months ago

I'm in northern Louisiana. Can conform that the same applies up here

[-] ECoast_Man 6 Points 11 months ago

You shouldn't be surprised by this. We are in a society hell-bent on "satisfying" every conceivable desire instantly. Porn, social media, video games, in the palm of your hand 24 hours a day. All of those deliberately structure the product in a way to satisfy those quick dopamine rushes, like a slot machine's algorithm.

3 months, let alone two years, of disciplined dedication to something is almost unfathomable to most people.

[-] ChrimsonChin988 1 Point 11 months ago

Actually in 3 months you can make very decent results lol. At least if you know how to lift, how to follow a proper diet and have discipline.

Problem is most people don't have discipline and have no idea how to lift/eat when they first start lifting.

In 3 months you can go from 20% bf skinnyfat to 8%, six pack and toned muscle. You will still be lacking mass and proper definition but you can basically go from 2/10 to 8/10 in 3 months.

[-] omega_dawg93 2 Points 11 months ago

i'm gonna read this like the horrible joke that it is. smmfh.

this shit reads like an infomercial that comes on at 3 am... selling some bullshit 90-day program to "change your body in no time at all.... just $19.95... but wait!!!..."

[-] RightHandWolf 1 Point 11 months ago

Actually, it can be done - IF you have the time AND the discipline. Back in 1977, a beanpole, 6'3" unknown actor auditioned for an iconic role. He had the height and the square jaw, and he even looked like George Reeves, who had been Superman in the old 1950's TV show. All that Christopher Reeve needed to do before filming was to dye his hair black and develop the physique.

Basically, Superman was trained by Darth Vader. A British bodybuilder (and Green Cross Safety Man) by the name of David Prowse was Christopher Reeve's personal trainer, and Superman made all of his gains in 7 weeks - going from 180 to 225, IIRC. True, most of us don't have that kind of time in the day, but it can be done. It takes mega-hella effort, but it can be done.

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[-] Vraboxin 10 Points 11 months ago

One thing I still don't understand about the process is;

If it works, it means the process works.

If it doesn't work, it's your fault.

[-] MattyAnon 17 Points 11 months ago

If it works, it means the process works / If it doesn't work, it's your fault

I think you are implying that the process is flawed because it only admits success and when it fails it's not part of the process.

Valid criticism if true.

Do you know many examples of a man who works out, gets his shit together, loses weight, hits the gym hard 5 times a week, gets the right sleep and nutrition and works on his life goals, adopts a DGAF attitude, avoids commitment, loses the neediness and powers through life*....

... and then this person can't get girls interested in him??

Or do you think it's more common that the men who the process doesn't work for actually didn't do the process at all...

*Notice that all these are directly within your control and do not depend on external or genetic factors.

[-] Vraboxin 6 Points 11 months ago

That's what I'm implying, yes.

A friend of mine isn't aware that TRP is a thing but he is red pilled. He doesn't follow any formula yet manages to get with a girl every once in a while.

Another friend is desperately trying to do everything the TRP system suggests, basically rearranging every fiber of his being to be desirable and isn't able to get girls, I assume it's because he is short and not naturally good looking. I know it's not credible but I'm just going off of personal observation here.

I certainly believe in improving yourself for your own sake, not for a woman. Which is why I'm on this sub regardless of how much hate I get around here when I say I don't care about women. I simply think it's not healthy for guys to judge their self-worth off of how much pussy they get, you know?

[-] ThisWickedMinistry 8 Points 11 months ago

From that description, friend #2 is needy as fuck, so if that's the case he's cerainly not doing everything TRP says.

Don't get me wrong, your description is accurate, and does sound dogmatic as fuck. But reality is not up for debate. Flat earthers, climate denial, and antivax are by definition religions, because they are a blind faith in the face of a lack of evidence. TRP is different because it does require faith, but there is evidence that that faith is rewarded.

[-] FrancisNevettshire 0 Points 11 months ago

climate denial

Have you looked into it?

I don't like the fact that it doesn't sound nuts to me, but climate deniers just don't give me the impression that they're nutters. Please change my view with a debunking source?

[-] ThisWickedMinistry 1 Point 11 months ago

If not one of the arguments has any basis in reality, and people keep pushing them, then you have a group who is verifiably wrong but refuses to acknowledge it. Sounds like a bunch of nutters to me.

[-] FrancisNevettshire 1 Point 11 months ago

Poor source. Just some "they say -- but we say". A single paragraph per statement and no sources cited.

You can find the same sort of compendium that "debunks" the red pill, the keto diet, weight lifting, the effects of uncontrolled migration etc. etc.

Just one example:

"Climate change is bad for nature"

While CO2 is essential for plant growth, all agriculture depends also on steady water supplies, and climate change is likely to disrupt those supplies through floods and droughts. It has been suggested that higher latitudes – Siberia, for example – may become productive due to global warming, but the soil in Arctic and bordering territories is very poor, and the amount of sunlight reaching the ground in summer will not change because it is governed by the tilt of the earth. Agriculture can also be disrupted by wildfires and changes in seasonal periodicity, which is already taking place, and changes to grasslands and water supplies could impact grazing and welfare of domestic livestock. Increased warming may also have a greater effect on countries whose climate is already near or at a temperature limit over which yields reduce or crops fail – in the tropics or sub-Sahara, for example.

The soil is poor almost everywhere. It's poor in the saharah if you could greenify it. Hell it's even poor in rainforests.

Somehow a warmer climate is going to have a net negative result on overall plant life on earth. No sources, no calculations. No Life Cycle Assessment or whatever cited. We just say that a lush Siberia and Canada will not make up for losses on the fringes of existing deserts. We just know that grasses are going to become less nutritious for livestock. We just know it will be cheaper to turn around our whole fucking petrochemical industry than it is going to be to dig a few wells and install some desalinators, aqueducts and water pipe lines.

[-] ThisWickedMinistry 1 Point 11 months ago

It is a perfect source. Click any of the links under "what the science says" next to a myth and read the sources they use. Unless you're colourblind you have no excuse for not being able to see what is literally a page full of blue links.

[-] FrancisNevettshire 1 Point 11 months ago

The quote I used was from one of those blue links.

However, you're right, I've now discovered the 'advanced' tab so I'll look into it.

[-] Kurush559 6 Points 11 months ago

You're misunderstanding 'implementing the process' and 'attempting the process'

Your first friend IS following the redpill schema. He just doesn't have a language and framework for it

Your second friend ISN'T following the redpill schema because he's being desperate and not showing IDGAF mentality. He is simply acting out his idea of how TRP should work.

[-] Vikingcel 4 Points 11 months ago

Your second friend ISN'T following the redpill schema because he's being desperate and not showing IDGAF mentality. He is simply acting out his idea of how TRP should work

Exactly what OP meant by

If it works, it means the process works.

If it doesn't work, it's your fault.

He could really just be too short and ugly.

[-] Satou4 1 Point 11 months ago

How are those things his fault?

[-] Vikingcel 1 Point 11 months ago

They are not.

u/kurush559 immediately resorted to

Your second friend ISN'T following the redpill schema

Which is exactly the dogmatic behavior u/vraboxin described.

[-] MattyAnon 3 Points 11 months ago

I assume it's because he is short and not naturally good looking

This certainly makes it harder.

We can't promise that 100% of men can follow the process and get the results, that's not true of anything. The vast majority certainly can and everyone will improve their lives, but it's not like you can be born with two heads and have women flock to you.

I certainly believe in improving yourself for your own sake, not for a woman.

For myself: very happy to improve myself to get women because that's what I want for myself. It's a reasonable aspect of sexual strategy to implement a sexual strategy. That means for example lower body fat than I'd be happy with if I didn't want to bone chicks.

I simply think it's not healthy for guys to judge their self-worth off of how much pussy they get, you know?


[-] Vikingcel 3 Points 11 months ago

The vast majority certainly can and everyone will improve their lives, but it's not like you can be born with two heads and have women flock to you.

I would like to see some success stories or FRs from guys who started by being inherently below average. A ton of us here have fuck all to learn from guys who get eyefucked everywhere after six months of lifting or the endless tinder FRs.

[-] ChrimsonChin988 2 Points 11 months ago

I agree with you that a guy with 1/10 looks requires a different action plan than a guy with 6/10 looks. If you're realllly fucking ugly like acne everywhere, receding jaw, fucked up teeth, half bald etc. Your best way to go is plastic surgery. But that requires money so in that case getting $ should be #1 priority.

Still, even if you get plastic surgery as a 1/10 go to the gym etc you will never be more than a 3 or 4/10 in terms of looks. This will make it very hard to get 8/10 girls but still, if you follow the process as described above you can pull 6/10 girls and below without much problems.

Also, if you're ugly, try to minimize this weakness (by working out, plastic surgery for example) but always remember, PLAY TO YOUR STRENGTHS. Develop things you do have talent for and of course, work your ass off. If you're born with a shitty face you're behind 3-0 so you must put in more effort than the average dude, makes sense.

We can all get pussy if we put in the effort but like you said, there are limits to the quality of pussy we can get based on things like genetics, to deny this is stupid. To agree with my fellow RP'ers though, it's not usually our genetics that stop us from getting higher quality pussy, it's our thinking.

[-] Vikingcel 3 Points 11 months ago

I have a massive schism in my beliefs.

On one hand I believe (or want to) that despite being ugly, I could slay if I become really big, really strong and max out on looking bad and malevolent. Then when I stroll in with my actually charming personality, she'll be glad I don't want to break her in a bad way and let me shoot a load of little savage cavemen up her ass. My bouncer friend told me that when he first saw me, he thought I was some savage and that if I was trouble he'd rather knock me out straight than confront me. He was apparently surprised I'm nicer than he thought I'd be. The halo effect is real. Most people assume I'm not very smart and that I'm an asshole. Playing the part is the best course of action for me.

On the other hand, where are the ugly successful RPers? Why is TRP full of tinder date FRs? Nothing here suggests that it can actually be done, besides guys who aren't ugly themselves regurgitating theory.

[-] ChrimsonChin988 2 Points 11 months ago

Well, idk where the ugly RPers are. I assume most are around average looking genetically speaking (4-6). Bell distribution curve and all.

Probably you're around average looking as well, maybe slightly above or below idk. Chances are very small you're 'hideous'. To get laid a lot just takes a lot of experience imo. To become good at anything for that matter... Reading material here, applying it in the real world and a few years to let it sink in and become ingrained in your personality is all it takes usually. Consistent dedication + patience. Maybe you're close already to slaying but just missing one or two ingredients.

I'm naturally good looking and tall but as a kid I had low-confidence always very introverted (a little less nowadays) and kind of an autistic fuck growing up. So I had to work on that (If you knew how I looked and I told you how much effort I actually had to put in to start getting laid you'd laugh in my face). We all have our all issues strong/weak points. Other guys might be good at fucking chicks from a young age but be degenerate gambling addicts and acquire piles of debt.

Like I said, we all have our issues, most people don't speak up. Focus on your strengths while minimizing your weaknesses. And don't get too 'stuck up' on one thing that's not working out...

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[-] trollreign 1 Point 11 months ago

" I simply think it's not healthy for guys to judge their self-worth off of how much pussy they get "

That is literally the way men are supposed to judge their self-worth, it is biologically hard-wired into healthy males. If you believe in science, that is.

Btw, keep up the healthy scepticism. Your point about an unfalsifiable hypothesis of TRP is well made.

[-] trollreign 2 Points 11 months ago

I know many such people. You completely forgot to mention anything about the simple necessity of MEETING women and TALKING to them, as well as having the social skills.

I know many successful lawyers, bankers and management consultants who lift heavy, earn a lot of money, run marathons, eat healthy and are not very successful with women. The simple explanation is that they are not socially skilled, their social circle doesn't have many single women, and they do not have the time / do not put in the effort to actually meet women.

[-] FrancisNevettshire 2 Points 11 months ago

This. It's a big problem. Forget meeting feminine women in your everyday life if your days are spent with white-collar work in male-dominated areas (and manly women), with lone or male-dominated hobbies and self-improvement. If you don't like doing useless shit.

The only young women you'll meet will be cashiers. If you're good at science you can maybe make a hobby out of teaching/tutoring.

[-] NotMyBestEffort 15 Points 11 months ago

Sounds like you understand.

[-] walk1ngP4radox 5 Points 11 months ago

It means the process is flawless

[-] Kurush559 2 Points 11 months ago

There's nothing contradictory about that

[-] Vraboxin 3 Points 11 months ago

It sounds like religion. "If you do it right, it's God's doing. But if you do it wrong, you're taking all the blame."

[-] Kurush559 5 Points 11 months ago

Religion isn't analogous to redpill. Your comparison is illogical

[-] trollreign 1 Point 11 months ago

It is not illogical, and you make no counter point. That is not an argument.

[-] Kurush559 3 Points 11 months ago

My counterpoint is 'religion isn't analogous to redpill'

Redpill doesn't make metaphysical truth claims that stem from divinely inspired scripture/institution. It makes conditional, inductive claims of the form 'if x then y'

[-] escapethesolarsystem 1 Point 11 months ago

Yep, this is just evidence that TRP comes from Americans. It's the default position of Americans to always blame the individual whether it's their fault or not. It's not that TRP is largely flawed - it's not, it's pretty much on point. It's just that Americans are intellectually incapable of nuance: if you support TRP you must believe that TRP 100% right and anyone that has any trouble with it is 100% a beta failure at life.

One downside of this American extremism does tend to alienate people, but if you realize it's just a cultural thing with Americans you can just ignore the extremism about the philosophy and learn from the actual philosophy.

[-] FrancisNevettshire 3 Points 11 months ago

It's true, Americans are usually 100% in or out, for or against, and they stress individual blame a lot. I don't know for sure what I'd like the best. The European mindset leads to compromise, stagnation, complacency, while the American way is more activating (hence why TRP better stays American), motivational, funny, but leads to blindness, the extreme, with no room for nuance, and people more easily get dragged into cults and conspiracies.

[-] RightHandWolf 3 Points 11 months ago

Fair enough points, but the body of knowledge is here for consideration. I think the Bruce Lee method would apply . . . take what works for you, and leave the rest.

[-] the_green_grundle 10 Points 11 months ago

I was a natural with this stuff before I found TRP. Then I got fucked over once and found TRP which has consistently confirmed both my prior positive and negative experiences with women. This post is accurate. It’s painful to admit it at first but this way of thinking is ultimately is better for everyone.

[-] Frenetic_Zetetic 10 Points 11 months ago

Lift weights. Keep frame. Take action.

[-] CrazyHorseInvincible 5 Points 11 months ago

Pointed and stickied by order of /u/Whisper.

[-] Kurush559 6 Points 11 months ago

Highly appreciated. I'll try and uphold your guys' standard.

[-] dominicthetiger 4 Points 11 months ago

yep, every time I cheat she fucks me harder than the last time

[-] trollreign 2 Points 11 months ago

The difficult part about this is that you can say whatever you want on the internet. Back in 2015 when my LTR started to deteriorate and I first found myself reading books that are popular on TRP (and then the TRP reddit itself), I remember wondering how much of the things said here are true.

You just cannot know, I - and you - can say anything here and people will never know if those things actually happened. I have had tons of success since I started down this journey, but I will always keep my healthy scepticism.

[-] Kurush559 3 Points 11 months ago

As I said right in the middle of my post - it doesn't really matter whether you believe that I do x thing or that someone else does y thing. It matters that you believe you can achieve z thing that you want to do. The issue my post attempted to diagnose is new bloopies coming along and saying 'you haven't done x thing because it doesn't seem like a possible occurrence in my life' or 'x thing won't help me get y thing, because I haven't seen it happen yet.'

Feel free to disbelieve; but verify first.

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[-] _thechinaman_ 1 Point 11 months ago

Absolutism is on its way back. Nice.

[-] Kurush559 6 Points 11 months ago

I struggled with this myself - is TRP absolutist? Is it too extreme? Is there any space for questioning and contemplation?

I think the best way for you to view my post is as a comment on cause and effect - TRP isnt saying 'the red pill schema is absolute a priori truth'. It's saying 'the red pill schema, given our observations, works'.

We're not saying 'this is absolutely true', we're saying 'this absolutely yields results'

[-] _thechinaman_ 5 Points 11 months ago

I would not shy away from holding an absolute front because it weeds out the hysterical pussy bloopers who want to nag the ideology down bit by bit. Arrogance does not necessarily imply ignorance. Our rationality is not equal to the rationality of some random faggot blue pill on the internet.

[-] FrancisNevettshire 1 Point 11 months ago

It's better to put up an extreme front. High contrast with the mainstream narrative makes the message stand out more and first time readers remember it better. Let them then digest it, adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically theirs.

[-] bestsparkyalive 1 Point 11 months ago

This post is true as fuck. I just realized how much I’ve been sympathetic to the beta shit going on. I’m not trying to justify shit, but when it’s our lifelong conditioning it’s easy to want to slip back without even realizing what’s going on till you read a post like this and get a slap in the face. Thanks dude.

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[-] escapethesolarsystem -5 Point 11 months ago

"Lifting" - apparently TRP has never discovered any other form of exercise. I fucking hate lifting - so incredibly dull, the entire lifting community has a combined IQ of 5, and I have zero interest in looking like a jacked up dudebro.

For me, the point of exercise is to get somewhere, discover something, how our ancestors did. The physical process of getting fit is a natural result of you using your body for what it was intended for - to travel long distances. Recently this meant a lot of hiking and rock climbing for me, about 10,000 km of hiking in around the Caucauses mountains in the last three years. Last year I climbed to the top of a 5000m mountain that involved crossing glaciers and -40C temperatures at the summit. But lifting weights in a dirty gym room with a bunch of other sweaty dudes to see your muscles grow bigger in a bathroom mirror... is more satisfying? No fucking way. That sounds like shit to me.

In my view, swimming also beats lifting, works your whole body, gives you a lean, muscular look - this was my way of keeping in shape for years. You can also swim to actual places (ocean, lake and river swimming), like hiking, instead of being cooped up in a building.

The point is, I don't support the TRP obsession with lifting as the "magic bullet" of exercise. Don't lift if you fucking hate it (like I do) just because TRP says to. Just stay in shape however you like to.


The other stuff, I'm pretty much on board. I mostly already figured out dating / relationships / women before I ever got connected with TRP content, but most of it confirms and explains lessons I often had to learn the hard way. I hate some of the MLM / religious cult sounding vocabulary (such as "frame", "plates", etc) but the concepts behind them are sound.

[-] Kurush559 14 Points 11 months ago

We talk about lifting because it yields better results over time than other forms of exercise. If you have a great body and have fun doing a different type of exercise then do that. I'm unconvinced that this is the case, though; you seem so spiteful of our 'dudebro' physiques and low IQ that I can't help but wonder if you're post-rationalising your failures and/or insecurity. Maybe you're not, and you just hate lifting. The fact is, most of us don't, and we get great results from it

Its also worth noting that heavy compound lifting has a hormonal and psychological effect that is unrivalled in other types of exercise (perhaps excluding Martial Arts)

[-] escapethesolarsystem -7 Point 11 months ago

I mostly just hate lifting. Don't read too much into it. I also noticed from personal experience that the Venn diagram containing people who lift and people who have a below average IQ seems to be dangerously close to a circle. I have a few friends who are very serious about lifting and they basically got into it because they weren't able to succeed at more intellectually challenging pursuits. They are excellent people (in terms of personal character) but not smart.

Also, an exercise you hate that is slightly more effective at getting results is going to be vastly inferior to an exercise you love that will take slightly longer to get results. A workout you love you're going to do a lot longer and a lot more often, which will ultimately achieve better results.

For me, the most impact I've seen on my hormones and psychology have been from improving my diet; so I don't need lifting on top of it - the other exercise and a good diet works well enough.

[-] Kurush559 5 Points 11 months ago

Yeah, an exercise I hate wouldnt be worth it. But I don't hate it. And nor do most of the guys who do it. You're projecting.

[-] escapethesolarsystem -1 Point 11 months ago

Oh, I didn't say most guys who lift hate it, or even that most guys hate lifting. I just said that "I hate it"; and it's inaccurate to make the argument that you can't achieve physical and mental fitness without lifting.

TRP's "lifting" obsession is kind of like a Christian saying: "you are only a real Christian if you go to my church and listen to my pastor, and there's no other good churches out there, and you won't ever find or please God if you don't go to my church." Keeping the same metaphor, I'm just saying:

  1. I'm personally not a fan of your church.
  2. Christians can choose whatever church they want to go to and still be good Christians.
  3. I noticed a lot of the people that go to your church seem a little dumb.

I'm not telling people who like lifting to abandon it, just if lifting is not your thing there's plenty of other ways to get to the same end result, RP guys shouldn't get tunnel vision on lifting.

[-] FrancisNevettshire 4 Points 11 months ago

Venn diagram containing people who lift and people who have a below average IQ seems to be dangerously close to a circle

Many smart people have above-average aversion for novelty or doing something new. They rationalize way better, too.

Many other smart people (career-minded middle class) relish in not being able to make time for anything else than work. They also like to think they don't "need" to improve in other areas because they are so successful in their career.

Most people are pretty dumb. Average IQ is 100 but if you have an IQ of 115 and haven't seen a lot of people in your life from way different backgrounds, odds are you wouldn't think of a person with IQ 100 that he is "average" in intelligence.

[-] escapethesolarsystem 1 Point 11 months ago

Many smart people have above-average aversion for novelty or doing something new. They rationalize way better, too.

Oddly, for me, the situation with "lifting" for me is actually opposite. Lifting is not novel, it's boring, it's "same" - it doesn't give you the opportunity to discover new things, new places. It's sitting in a room going nowhere. I'm a web developer, I already do enough sitting in a room. I have to get outside and go places to keep my life balanced.

Most people are pretty dumb. Average IQ is 100 but if you have an IQ of 115 and haven't seen a lot of people in your life from way different backgrounds, odds are you wouldn't think of a person with IQ 100 that he is "average" in intelligence.

Very true, though from what I've read the average global IQ has actually crept slightly to around 105 (though the test was originally designed for 100 to be the average).

[-] FrancisNevettshire 2 Points 11 months ago

You can spend a few hours a week lifting some dumbbells at home, and most of that time you'll be panting anyway, so you can read up on something or watch some videos intermittently.

For the effort it takes, lifting is a miracle.

[-] escapethesolarsystem 1 Point 11 months ago

I don't need more screen time, I'm a web developer. Being outside is much much better. I live in a country with nature like this:\_1000x721\_q08.jpg&f=1

And this:\_super.jpg%3Fsharp%3D10%26vib%3D20%26w%3D1200&f=1

You're not going to sell me on staying inside and lifting some metal bars while watching TV.

[-] FrancisNevettshire 2 Points 11 months ago

I'm happy for you that you never find yourself in these moments with too little energy to do anything productive and decide to watch tv or youtube. Also great if you have enough nature around you so you don't get bored of the same hiking trail every night.

[-] escapethesolarsystem 1 Point 11 months ago

I don't hike every day, usually 3-4 times a week. I also have a huge number of divergent trails around where I live, so I do a new variation almost every time; although sometimes the same trail is nice. Also, about once every two months or so I travel to a different part of the country (it's a small country) for 3-4 days to spend more time in nature - doing hikes / climbs to glaciers, mountain lakes, rural remote villages, etc.

As for having situations where I have too little energy to be productive - if I feel that way I usually go to bed. I do watch YouTube a lot but it's mainly content that I curate based on my interests and at times I set aside to do it, not as much based on when I'm just too tired to do anything. I found that watching YouTube when tired led to me binge watching and staying up way too late, so I started a habit of just going to bed when I was getting too tired to focus (which is always around or past midnight anyways).

[-] Thinkingard -1 Point 11 months ago

I never benefitted from lifting. Ended up injuring myself and could never get rid of the ego. Now I do body weight exercise and I feel great. Muscles are way denser and it is easy to move my body whereas with weightlifting I always still felt weak.

[-] FrancisNevettshire 1 Point 11 months ago

pretty sure that's also included in "lifting"

[-] nattlife -9 Point 11 months ago

How about no.

Your post sounds like you are trying to start a cult. Or trying to start a new red pill religion or something. "Trust me pleb. I am a superior being who knows everything about the world you don't know. Just believe me and so that you can make it easy for me to spout bullshit and get away with it." You are doing that classic let me say the obvious red pill sentences I read from the sidebar to make it easy and prime my followers readers.

You don't even have a endorsed contributor tag to make these far reaching claims to have some semblance of credibility.

Not to mention that blatantly cringe worthy r ihavesex fantasy there. Thats the main giveaway from this post that you a con artist. Bragging about sex is like a classic 14 year old ploy, you get that, right? Maybe you should try incel subreddits. Maybe your grift might work there if you tweak your posts to suit the "black pill" mentality they got going there.

[-] Whisper 5 Points 11 months ago

Your post sounds like you are trying to start a cult.

Who gives a shit what it sounds like?

He's either correct or incorrect. Test it. Find out which.

[-] Kurush559 2 Points 11 months ago

It's funny, because everything you have said is already something I've responded to in the post; it's almost as if I anticipated it. And then replied to the problems that arise from your drivel.

[-] nattlife -5 Point 11 months ago

I don't like communists. That doesn't mean I am against working class. Or like communists, because communists pretend they care about working class.

Similarly my main issue is you. And the obviously cult like invocation with the way you rephrase the sidebar ideas. Try to tone that shit down or GTFO.

[-] Kurush559 3 Points 11 months ago

What is cult like about 'doing and understanding these things will help you with women'?

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[-] Dingdangdoodle21 -15 Point 11 months ago

Congratulations, you’re tall white and good looking

Redpill is still bullshit

[-] Kurush559 19 Points 11 months ago

I'm average height and Central Asian

[-] escapethesolarsystem 6 Points 11 months ago

I suspect you angered an intersectional feminist troll. :D

[-] flipwater 7 Points 11 months ago

sounds more like a blackpill / incel dude

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[-] aherrns 3 Points 11 months ago

Wilkom to the rice field, mothafukah!

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