Preface
I've already made a post about frame, but one thing I noticed is: the more I strengthen my frame, the crazier things I can get away with.
Body
I will cite several examples of the importance of frame in different avenues of life.
Example 1
1) I hold frame with my girl; I met her 4 months ago (ya I know not long, not my girl, my turn, etc. don't go full autist she's a very submissive girl who does a lot for me-don't mean "my girl" literally) and she was a spoiled brat who only did things for herself. Within 1 month, I got her to meal prep for me. After 2 months, I got her to do my laundry, fold clothes, bring me food, have great sex, even pay for dates. How did I do this? It's because I started the interaction with the mindset of "this is expected and you will do these things for me; you will ENJOY helping me out and providing value outside of sex", and she does.
Example 2
2) Work. This one is crazy. I came in with the frame of "I want to work for this company, I will do great work, but I will do it on my terms." I've done things that would probably get people fired 10x over, yet the managers and senior executives love me and enjoy working with me. I got our new class (I am among the most recent hires in our group with a few others) more remote work days. I rarely work more than 40 hours a week.
Also, 2-3 months ago, I WENT OFF and blew up at one of my supervisors, because she was being a bitch (Some will say this was losing frame, but it paid off massive dividends). I have multiple supervisors; one of them is as "NiceGuy" and BP as you can get, the one above him is a girl. She completely shits on him, overworks him, etc. She tried doing the same to me, and I basically told her I don't give a shit what you say or think of me. She hated my guts and there was friction on the team for 2 months. I didn't care, because I'm not going to sacrifice my life/soul for a company. 2 months later, she respects me, we get along, crack jokes together, and have fun at work.
Example 3
3) With old BP friends. I rarely talk to these friends, but we were all in the same circle of smoking weed, watching shows, playing video games, doing wack shit that doesn't get you anywhere in life. When I talked to them recently, they try to shove me back in the "box" of being the same SMV as them (aka BP, still the loser guy). Boy, did that backfire-I just started distancing myself more and more from them; whenever I do talk to them now, we get along and (as much as I don't wanna say this shit): they recognize me as the "alpha". Even though their SMV has stagnated/declined and mine has skyrocketed, I still love them, because they're my childhood friends.
Example 4-The most important one
4) Holding frame with yourself. When you start your journey as a BP beta orbiter, video game playing, hentai fapping, binge media watching, incel guy and transform yourself into a high SMV guy with solid hobbies, a good social circle, hot girls, and success YOU will shit test YOURSELF. What do I mean by this? You will feel bouts of Imposter Syndrome. When you go from loser to successful, voices will occasionally creep into your head asking "do I really deserve this?" "Am I really that guy, or am I faking it?" It's in these moments that you must hold frame more than any other moment. If you don't have the mindset of a high SMV, alpha, successful guy, then you will NEVER actually become one. "Fake it till you make it" isn't really faking it. Often times you make the physical transformation through action (lifting, reading, good hobbies, gaming), but the change in mindset lags behind. Once the change in mindset occurs, that voice of self doubt will pop up less and less frequently, until one day you wake up, and you are that guy.
RedPillHanSolo 5y ago
OP, for all you know, she may be conning you. Do not take at face value whatever someone trying to sell you, especially in a volatile workplace.
hiaf 5y ago
> until one day you wake up, and you are that guy.
That's basically fake it til you make it. Don't want to be pedantic or anything just wanted to point that out because I think it's important to see *when* you make this change. I still have my self-doubt, am I really like this? What if this is the way I was genetically programmed to behave? How do I compare to the ideal RP man? etc etc.
Thanks for this. I will read more about impostor syndrome, I needed this.
Count_Giggles 5y ago
I think meditation and/or some form of meditative activity can really help with the imposter syndrome.
Back in the day when I was in a really dark place (clinical depression etc.), a friend of mine gave me his copy of "ACT - Acceptance & Commitment Therapy" a quite young form of therapy - yet till this day I use the tools it had in store for me
That voice that tells you "do I deserve this?", is like a radio that constantly picks up some random chatter and spouts it at you. If you catch yourself listening to one of those thoughts (Mindfulness) you just think to yourself "thanks for the input" and switch frequencies.
Here is a clip of a Buddhist monk explaining how to deal with this issue thru meditation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOJTbWC-ULc
skydragonwhore 5y ago
Don't crack jokes with women at work. The wrong one will offend her and you will be fucked.
gunsliquorstrippers 5y ago
Not a lot of meat to this post, just wishful thinking. I’m interested to hear you expand on the idea that you “start every interaction with your girl EXPECTING these things to be done, demonstrating value outside of the bedroom etc”
Hudini15 5y ago
I will say this. I have very high expectations for anyone that wants to be in my life, even family. Sometimes I wonder if it’s too high, but truthfully I don’t give a fuck if most people are in my life are not. If they’re fun to be around, great. If we can actually make exchanges for mutual benefit, even better. If not, why would I let you waste my time?
Luckyluke23 5y ago
this is why i had to downvote his post... maybe i've read too much red pill and i have a high by in point...
but he sounds like a salesman to me... "If you do X you will get EVERYTHING you ever wanted!" " buy X from me right now for 12 easy payments of $99.99!"
Immune2DNP 5y ago
This is what the crux of frame is. What I mean by EXPECTING these things from my girl is the following:
1) Right from the get go I asked her to do small things for me here and there. For example, before we even went on our first date, she knew that when I go out with a girl, the girl always pays for the first date (drinks), and she happily did.
2) I asked her to do little things here and there (tie my shoes when we went ice skating, bring her vape pen over, cook me breakfast at her place). Even if it’s something very small, something cute that you ordinarily wouldn’t ask for, it doesn’t matter-just get her to comply and do it happily.
3) I then “reward” her when she does these things by showing affection. I give her a big hug, kiss, slap her ass, hold her tits, anything to show that I appreciate what she did. This is where most guys become autistic, because they think “unless she’s sucking my dick while I’m taking a shit, am I really red pilled???” Or guys who show no comfort to their girl. Being an asshole/douche works for short term, but she’s a fun/good girl so I want to be in it for a little while longer. This means you have to balance the alpha asshole archetype by SPRINKLING some beta and comfort.
4) When you set the frame of your expectations and wanting a girl to do things for you outside of sex, do the following: frame it in a way that she WANTS to do those things for you, make the activity (no matter how boring, like laundry, folding clothes, cooking a meal) fun somehow, and when she’s done, show her affection. I’ve noticed that small compliances add up.
liizzsar 5y ago
Eww you're dating a girl that legit has zero self-esteem and value or has no dad. No girl with a good father or a shred of self-esteem would pay for a guy on the first date.
Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
Is touching her boobs beta and comfortable? I'd take the beta off. Most people here, like you said are obsessed with the idea that they're not red pilled enough if they're not getting sucked while taking a shit, figuratively speaking but most also think it's beta to show affection. Instead, used in the way you demonstrated is not beta at all, yes you can caress her hair, yes you can kiss her yes you can slap her ass and touch her boobs as long as she's doing things for you. You give this in return as a reward. Nice post btw OP.
Immune2DNP 5y ago
Thanks bro, glad you thought so. I think the problem with guys when they first start here is that they’ve been beta most of their lives, so even SPRINKLING in beta behavior is a HUGE no to them. Not only would it feel incongruent to what they’re trying to become (alpha, asshole, douchebag); they would probably get unconsciously triggered from any beta behavior. These are the guys that are “faking it” to make it. Showing affection and comfort is important for longer stints with girls. It’s still something I’m working on. At times, those “rewards” I spoke about feel a bit mechanical/gamey. I have gotten better. Before, during the anger/depression phase I was just a straight douche to girls, and it worked, for STRs.
amedeo_modigliani 5y ago
When do you ask her to do those little things, what is your tone of voice and overall approach? Do you say "please" or do you give her orders like she is a dog? And what you do when she says "no"?
Immune2DNP 5y ago
Sometimes I say “I want X” implying that I want her to do it for me. Other times, I ask “can you do X”? I don’t think I ever say it like she’s a dog. My ex gf, I talked to like that because she was mentally fucked up. My new girl is more stable, comes from a good family. I’ve tried that approach and it doesn’t work.
If she says no, I convince her and make the task seem fun. I noted in the original post: she WANTS to do these things for you if you’re a high SMV guy & always make menial tasks into something fun like throwing my underwear at her when she’s folding my clothes, grabbing her ass when she’s cooking, make it enjoyable.
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JensenMse 5y ago
This is like post #5782 on frame, but it never gets old. With each post on frame I read, it always becomes much clearer. You hit it pretty well. I've always told myself that frame is only held when it comes to other people in life, but I've missed the last point: holding frame against yourself. Mind blown! This is the true core of self-discipline, the first rule that should be taught to all men while they're still little boys growing up. Standing up for yourself comes from this idea where you already know what you want in life. However we are always trying to get motivated to do awesome stuff, and slump over when shit goes bad. You've hit it home brother, you've earned my upvote!????
Papertie 5y ago
Question : is it difficult for you to admit to mistakes , or apologise or humble yourself within this titanium frame mindset?
Immune2DNP 5y ago
At times, yes, if it’s something I have an ego about. Most of the time, hell no. That’s how I got to where I am right now. You can’t ever improve without evaluating where your faults lie, or by fucking up.
If you’re completely changing your life around, dropping old habits for new hobbies, doing things WAY outside your comfort zone-you will fuck up. You will fuck up over and over again. How do you get better? By admitting you fucked up and evaluating how and what you could’ve done better.
Be very careful not to “humble yourself” or “apologize” to others in the wrong context. Most people in life have HUGE egos, and it’s not their frame, it’s their ego that does the talking. An example of this is how people say “eating 6 times a day will boost your metabolism” with extreme conviction, even when that is not the case. Be open to hear others, but don’t blindly listen to, and accept what they say.
Kinbaku_enthusiast 5y ago
If there is one subject I fail to understand, even after reading numerous articles on sidebar about it, numerous, it's the concept of frame. Most topics on redpill I find easy to understand. Some I found bitter pills, but worth swallowing. But when it comes to frame, something seems to be blocking me understanding it at a deep level.
Superficially I seem to understand it. Frame seems to be your self-perception and self-projection on the world. I find it easier to understand "breaking frame" than "holding frame". I think at some level I'm preventing myself from getting it.
Maybe I do get what frame is, but I'm unsure how to better hold frame. Eh. This is a pretty disorganized train of thought. I'll leave it up in case someone has something meaningful to add, but I get if this gets downvoted/removed.
RektSalad69 5y ago
Not an expert in any of this, but I made progress over the years. It is a pretty difficult thing to define but I think examples work better. For the sake of it I'd say that it is believing that what you are doing is completely normal and backing it up when other people shit test you.
Just yesterday a girl was acting all bored around me so I brushed her hair to the side without even thinking about it, wanting to say something and one of my completely clueless of how women work friend started going "oh you're gonna fight her boyfriend too now", so of course when she heard that she followed cause it was basically served. Instead of holding my frame because it was such a trivial shit, I buckled cause I was not expecting any of it and said something stupid to change the subject instead of agreeing and amplifying, which is the most basic shit test passer, and you should always have it on guard.
I just wanted to get that one out for myself really, you should never be afraid of making mistakes because that's how you grow the fastest.
For a better example, if you were at a restaurant and just wanted to split the bill, you would put half on the table and look her back up straight in the eyes waiting, instead of some bp shit like asking her nervously "How about splitting it honey", which would lead to a series of shit tests.
Immune2DNP 5y ago
Holding frame is understanding that reality is subjective. What I mean by this is: the way you see reality is not the way the person next to you does. This is why when 2 people are looking at the same thing, one perceives it as a “glass half full” circumstance, and the other as a “glass half empty” circumstance.
When you hold frame, you realize that your reality, is the only reality that matters. If you’re a noob or fat guy going to the gym and fear others are judging how much weight you’re pushing/how you look-you don’t care. Why would you? Because in your reality, you are improving yourself. When you approach a girl, and she rejects you, you prance along happily. Why would you care that she rejected you? It’s her loss.
Build your life the way you want it to be at your core, and your frame will become rock solid along the way. Then, the concept of “holding frame” or A&A will not be technicalities or things you consciously have to remember, they’re part of who you are. Eventually, you will draw others into your reality, and they will perceive you as you perceive yourself.
red_philosopher 5y ago
I posted the exact same thing about reality being subjective, and people HATE the idea of it. It's one integral understanding of what frame is. It's amazing how challenges to a person's worldview makes them lose frame. Well done.
Immune2DNP 5y ago
It’s because of the ego. When you challenge someone’s worldview/everything they know, they feel a lack: as if they’ve been lied to their whole lives or an inferiority complex (how can he have done X when I was in the same circumstance and I thought it was impossible??). A famous philosopher once said: “the only thing I know, is that I know nothing.” There’s so many possibilities and perspectives out there, it’s useless to think yours is always right. A frame backed by ego will crumble.
red_philosopher 5y ago
I agree wholeheartedly. The problem is that it's true. They have been lied to their whole lives.
Immune2DNP 5y ago
That’s why when you first learn about TRP, it’s a bitter pill to swallow and you go through the phases.
Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
Exactly this. When I read articles in the red pill, and when I go out things seem different. I may have been an ex PUA and done good shit for my life in the past, but lately after smoking tons of weed I turned pacifistic, and paranoid as fuck. I'm chilled out and dgaf in a negative way even when I'm sober. I'll find excuses to not pick girls up, or be lazy and feed the hamster. What I do? I force my self to apply the red pill and go truly DGAF, not comfort zone dgaf.
So I had difficulty not understanding frame, but how to apply my shit to get frame in real life. (this is what I meant that things look different when you shut your pc down and stop reading TRP, go out in the real world and apply things you learn etc.)
I found it difficult until, I realized that I'm not letting my self improve and move on and every time this happens I stop my self and force me to do different again. It's difficult to explain in words. It's like when you go to a job interview, you can stop yourself at your tracks when you get anxious and force frame, so the outcome is good. Or when you pick up a girl, you stop your self at your tracks if you feel you're not holding frame, and immediately flip the switch and try things you're afraid of or lagging at, in order to build and hold frame. So things will go your way.
TL;DR Frame is about getting your shit together every time you doubt yourself, or act like an autist. Get your shit together, try holding frame constantly and it'll become a trait.
Lambdal7 5y ago
Do you have some examples for this?
Immune2DNP 5y ago
All within 2-3 months of being hired: Demanding changes in my schedule, saying no to extra work (at least 5x) asking for a change back to the original schedule, staying home at least 5-6 times without approval, coming late and leaving early 5+ times without telling anyone.
After 4-6 months: getting in a huge fight with a manager which caused tension on the team for 2+ months, saying I feel like I’m being singled out, emphasizing that I’m never working more than 40 hours to the most senior person, not finishing deliverables by the deadlines supervisors say because I think they’re unreasonable. I also work less than 8 hours each day because I leave early, and take extra time for my lunch every day.
Lambdal7 5y ago
Are you also looking to turn it up a notch to see how far you can push it?
This automatically puts you higher in the hierarchy and makes you closer to promotion, since you are a leader who can stand his ground and doesn't care what other people think. As long as you don't overstep boundaries, people see you as a god sometimes, even bosses, because they don't know how you do it and how you can get away with things like that and still being likes by people. The reason for that is because bosses often don't have enough social skills to find a sweet spot between alphaness and assholeness.
That needs to be preceded by having an offer from one or several competing companies with a higher salary though, dread game in a sense, otherwise higher ups will put you in your place.
However, if you have an offer, you can be really bossy and lead them to a promote-me or I quit stand off.
It's like when a girl really likes you and you are being a bit off an asshole and she still wants to see you, she has lost a lot of leverage and you're now in the spot of fucking her much easier without her shit testing you all the time, because then you basically communicate, we either fuck or we're not talking anymore.
Immune2DNP 5y ago
I’m not looking to push it just for the sake of pushing it, because I’ve already turned it up a lot and get 95% of things I want. I do things at my convenience, I’ll take vacation with short notice if I need to, go to doctors appointments last minute, they know I prioritize my health and well being before anything.
I agree, the most senior guy even said “you should host X meeting, convince your class of recent hires of Y”. Most people at work are PLAGUED by social conditioning, they dare not rock the boat. When an MD came and took our team out to dinner, I was clowning around with him and self amusing, and he was getting a kick out of it too. Frame is probably the most important concept on this forum.
I am confident I can get another job if I want to. I sent out applications just to see what else was out there and if I could. I think I got 8-10 interview requests, did a couple phone ones, but overall I’m happy with where I am, so I’ll stay. The moment that changes, I’ll actively start looking.
Lambdal7 5y ago
Good work. I think you can do this.
Get an offer and ask your boss for advice where you should go in your career and if that's a good oportunity for you in his opinion, but that you would like to stay at the company and that you like the job,m and the people, but you would also like to know what else is out there and what you should do?
Then leverage a few more offers based on that first offer, but don't let your boss know about these offers.
Then watch how your demeanour changes once you have abundance and if you can get a special treatment from the company here and there. Let them treat you like a King or a Prince.
Then talk to companies where you got an offer from and try to see if you can double your current salary.
Then talk to your boss that you have a few more offers which would double your salary and if there is anything he can do.
This would probably surpass him in the hierarchy, but he might actually do that but problably if you're on good terms with him and he feels like it was his work and his protegé and recommend you do the head office, so that you oversee 2 branches or more.
An optimistic but still reasonable time frame for this is 8-12 months total, but I think you have the skills to keep it in this time frame.
Make sure to stay calibrated, somewhat oblivious aling the way and not to get too cocky.
Immune2DNP 5y ago
Hahaha I love it bro. It sounds like you’ve done something similar. I definitely talk bullshit with the main guy more than work stuff. I tried to set the protege frame from the start, not to kiss his ass, but he’s a genuinely chill guy. He’s very RP when it comes to work, but I BP at home (he married a single mom lol).
However, if the whole purpose of this is to demonstrate abundance, I already give that off. They know I’m charming, charismatic, and funny so I can score another job with relative ease.
Lambdal7 5y ago
Yes, I like the whole social dynamics in the worklpace thing.
Yes, but showing actual abundance amplifies an abundant demeanour and gives them fomo, which wouldn't be on their mind if you didn't have other offer and changes the whole game.
greatamericancities 5y ago
Never thought of Imposter Syndrome as a shit-test against yourself. Not sure if that's completely right but it's certainly a worthwhile idea.
Immune2DNP 5y ago
That’s the way I perceive it, because Imposter Syndrome is you looking for chinks in your armor. You could physically be Chad, but be a wreck on the inside. That’s you shit testing yourself. Those voices of doubt are you testing yourself.
hiaf 5y ago
Personally, looking for faults in oneself is good as long as the course of action is immediate improvement or an actionable plan.
It's like balding, it's a defect but you can improve it by just shaving it all. Sometimes we must analyze our character and perform some self doubt to see what truly resonates with us negatively, what triggers us emotionally or what can break our frame. And work on it.
What do you think?
Immune2DNP 5y ago
This is something I've been mulling over recently and I've come to the conclusion that it is worth being objective about a "defect" that you can work on and actively change. You hit the nail on the head with doing careful analysis to see your own faults and triggers. Personally, emotional triggers are big for me. A lot used to trigger me, but since I started this journey, very few things do now.
Many people cannot take an objective look at themselves/their lives and assess what needs to be improved; they feel stuck, their ego gets in the way, there are excuses, whatever it may be. If it's something like being out of shape, be honest with yourself and you CAN change that. If you have a fucked up nose, then learn to love it/joke about it, because it's something you cannot change.
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Immune2DNP 5y ago
Exactly. We have the physique, girls, career, social circle, status to prove it. But as I highlighted in the post, none of that shit matters if your mindset is not there.
There is an inverse relationship between how long you’ve been that guy and the frequency of with which the voice pops up. Stay the course and eventually it’ll silence.
TheDonCap 5y ago
4 is the example I’ve ALWAYS been dealing with lately, I just lack this self confidence when I’ve been making improvement to my physique and career.
Alpha_Jedi 5y ago
Great write up. I 100% agree, when you hold rock-solid Frame you'll get away with stuff you never thought you could. I've gone on a date with a girl, then told her I was going to hook up with a another girl after that date, and she wound up being a fun hook up buddy for 7 months. Frame is a powerful thing, but it does require some discipline to wield it effectively and responsibly.
Immune2DNP 5y ago
Sometimes,I tell stories of doing absolutely crazy shit and getting away with it. People either think I’m making it up, think I’m retarded, or revere me as a God. What do all of these have in common? The stories are so disconnected from the individual’s reality, that they cannot fathom the outcome that I tell them being a possibility. That’s why often times when I read stories on this very forum, I thought people were just writing random bullshit on the internet. Once you experience a lot of it first hand, that’s when you can truly begin living life. The world is your playground.
Alpha_Jedi 5y ago
Agreed, the world is what you make of it. I enjoy it when people don't believe some of the stories I tell because I wish I was creative enough to make them up...but life is strange and more fantastic than fiction. Cheers.
Astonford 5y ago
How did you manage to get an excellent work relationship going on?. Like not managing to get fired or having your managers and senior executives love you or even getting the new team to do what you wanted despite being newly hired?
Immune2DNP 5y ago
Frame. I’m the cocky/funny guy who only cares to self amuse. It’s a stressful job at times, but I’m always joking around, lightening the mood, being playful. When it comes time to work, they know I’ll work and get shit done.
Within 2 months of getting hired, I had already gotten special treatment, approval to change my hours, etc. Keep in mind this is a professional corporate job in a F500. I came in with the attitude of what I will do (work 40 hours, not 1 hour more because I value life outside of work too much). I deliver on what I have to do. I’ve even been taking longer lunches and working less than 8 hours most days. So the managers/executives stepped into my frame and now we’re very cool.
Most people at work are almost robotic. The social conditioning runs so deep that they’re scared to speak up or make a joke, it’s actually pretty sad. I would go crazy trying to be “proper” and not being true to my personality, so I am true to it.
halfback910 5y ago
As long as you are achieving results. That's what matters. Our generation's attitude towards productivity is very different from previous generations'.
Baby Boomers will say "I worked FIFTY FIVE HOURS this week. I was PRODUCTIVE."
Millennials will say "I made an excel macro that does five hours of work in two minutes. I was productive."
I would never advocate "blowing up" at someone in the workplace, but I think your priorities and the way you measure productivity (i.e. actual results) are simply correct. Rather than blow up at people who ask unreasonable things, say unreasonable things, do unreasonable things, etc. I've found it incredibly effective to state matter-of-factly "That's not acceptable and is never going to be acceptable."
It takes the wind right out of their sails. I was in my first month of this job, new kid on the block, and was presenting inventory carry calculations to Finance. A finance analyst said "I don't like the look of the numbers."
"Well what do you mean?"
"They look wrong."
"Okay, well if you're saying these numbers are wrong that means you must either know the right numbers and that these aren't them or know how to get the correct numbers and I didn't do it that way. So what are the right numbers or how do I get them? I'm not committed to these numbers, I'm committed to the correct numbers."
"Well, I just think it looks too high. I don't feel our carrying costs are that bad."
That was the first time I played the "That's not acceptable and will never be acceptable card." Calling out numbers as being wrong without having any numbers based on feelings is obviously retarded. You can't run a business that way. So that doesn't happen anymore. We raised our standards.
Scorpio800 5y ago
You are essentially treating work like a plate (it’s under your terms, or next) and workplace is responding accordingly. Having the confidence to say “eh if there isn’t a fit here I’ll find something better somewhere else “ isn’t something most employers are used to seeing.
Immune2DNP 5y ago
Exactly, know your value in ALL aspects of life. Abundance isn’t a concept that exists only in the world of girls. There’s abundance everywhere, for everything you desire. If you wouldn’t stay with a shitty/abusive plate or relationship, why stay in a toxic workplace? Because of scarcity mentality.
SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 5y ago
4 was really helpful for me, thanks. I am growing so fast I tell myself I'm just getting lucky and my confidence is only temporary when in reality I'm just killing it in life. Imposter Syndrome in full force. Thanks for pointing this out. Keep posting man.
Immune2DNP 5y ago
Thanks for the kind words. Stay on your path, keep working hard, and stay consistent. The mindset builds over time.
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RedPilledRoaster 5y ago
Imposter Syndrome. I like it.
Hasn’t really been addressed a lot on this sub.
yomo86 5y ago
From time to time, I come back to TRP. And this post has a nugget of truth in it, I was never really able to articulate.
Of course, we are those guys, my abs, my success, my SMV prove it, yet, I sometimes question it and not in a humbling but more in a destructive way. Thanks for that mate.
pnzndltn 5y ago
Beautiful post my friend. There are so many concepts to TRP, that I've chosen to specialize and improve in one before the others. I have chosen and committed to frame. It's been about a week that I am constantly reminding myself of what my frame is, and I am already seeing a small but very perceptible and positive difference in the way people respond to me. I am working on building and maintaining my frame everyday because it really does touch every aspect of your life, especially within yourself.
Immune2DNP 5y ago
Thanks for the kind words. Good to hear you’re improving your frame. In the beginning, you will have to consciously remind yourself about your frame and who you are. Over time, it’ll be internalized and you’ll have other people step into your frame. Frame is key in all aspects of life, you won’t even believe what a strong frame will allow you to do/get for you at times. I’m still working on mine, strengthening with each lifting session, each interaction.
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Ivetakenthepill 5y ago
This is an excellent post, exactly what I needed to read. I'm right in the middle of example 4 right now.
I've been lifting, monk mode, developing good hobbies, cutting out low frequency interactions, working hard at my mission. I've noticed considerable changes, more respect at work (asked to be a supervisor), I can confidently wear sleeveless this summer (it takes a lot less time than you think to develop a presentable physique if you hit the gym hard), plenty of IOI's all over the place, and my side projects are lining up.
This is all new to me, but my mindset is playing that back and forth game right now, an ongoing battle with who I'm becoming and who I used to be. Almost through, and very grateful to stumble across this.
Immune2DNP 5y ago
Appreciate the kind words. First off, congrats on your newfound success and changing your life. I was thinking about this the other day and what causes it. If you’ve been a victim of social conditioning for most of your life, 1-2 decades+, then the internal change won’t happen overnight. The best thing you can do is take the actions that you know will turn you into the man you want to become. At first, it’ll be very hard. But as you continue along your journey, the internal struggle will happen less and less frequently.
I rarely get bouts of self doubt anymore, but when I do it’s overwhelming since it’s a feeling I’m not used to. I understand it’s temporary, and keep doing the things I would do. Other people see me as that guy, which forms a positive feedback loop. You take the action->get the result->your mindset changes->taking action next time is easier->others see you as you objectively are.
Good luck and keep going, you’re almost there.