I don't really believe it's feminism, or good times/ bad times. Technology and dating demographic shifts have made a significant percentage of males obsolete

I think the powers that be figured out about a century ago that women are better consumers than men... They are more willing to spend money for things they want and need. Corporations used psychology to create needs for all kinds of things that men will just not bother to care about, let alone spend money. 9 billion dollars for makeup every year. Billions for cleaning supplies, billions for clothes, billions for purses, billions for baby clothing and accessories. Men wear their clothing until it falls apart. We don't buy more than one shampoo or bar of soap or really anything like that. I think it was very profitable to give more money, or access to money, to women. And that's why it happened. Follow the money.

One day, I feel as if a wave of violence shall wash over the world and bring us back to our primitive ways

You know what they say:

hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men and weak men create hard times? Take a guess which is next...

These times are terrible no doubt. It Sucks because our generation is experiencing the worst the world has had to offer for men in all of history. But I gather hope through the fact that the realisation is happening. People are slowly seeing this shit for what it is. The first step to change is realisation. As a guy in my 20s I know I will live to see the change bring back the natural order.

I also believe society has gone to shit in the last decade. Mostly in the last eight years, all of it in Obama’s rule. I don’t doubt for even one second that he was part of the group of people who had an agenda to emancipate the ideal of masculinity and upset the very moral fabric of society.

It's not a very well written post but your message is true. I actually think feminism's expansion is not just a cause but also an effect of the loss of traditional men's virtues.

the problem with this theory is that since the opec oil crisis, it hasn't been easy times for most people in the west.

Consider that wages have been stagnant, labour participation is low, inflation is high (they hide this via not including basic things in the basket), and housing costs are even higher. Most people wont have a pension when they retire, and are heavily in debt. The government doesnt even have the ability to keep track of the homeless numbers. Plus, reported suicide is at an all time high, which wouldnt happen during "good times". All of which suggests that the current period isnt one of a prosperous time

If anything, what we are seeing is stage 4 of a civilization's life cycle (as in the stagnation/slow decline phase).

The good times were 1946-1972 - at least for north america, and in britain it was 1880 to 1914.

Ah man, was just at the local library. Enter a male toddler running around in a black shirt saying "FEMINIST." His mother was there and she fit the description of a beyond-the-wall sourpuss.

Good times create weak men.

Weak men create bad times.

Bad times create strong men.

Strong men create good times.

Yep. Feminism is as much a symptom as an accelerant. When the men go soft, the women can reasonably start entertaining these ideas of equality.

This is where I say: Don't blame women for all of this, they were only every doing their best to cope with the softening men around them.

Today there is only us men to pick up the pieces. Take it upon yourself, personally, to do your best and be your best so that others around you can follow suit and aspire to be something more than a consumer, socially media addict or raging sjw.

I want the 80% to keep chugging their coors light & watching sports on the tv while getting fat so their wives can keep giving me fuck me eyes.

Also BPA and xenoestrogets sapping T levels. Has even been observed in other species. Ironically, the one 'pollution scare' that's nearly been blacked out by legacy media. Weird, isn't it

The question becomes how do we maintain male virtues in good times. No one wants war or natural disaster just because it toughens men up

Easy times are just part of it. We live in a world with a huge xenoestrogen presence all around us. Food, water, hygiene products, and birth control are all very common sources of exposure.

Testosterone levels were 2-3x higher in men at the turn of the 20th century. I think such a change is not due to merely decadence of culture, but due to the addition of xenoestrogens in everyone's life.

Work to eliminate these sources of exposure, and then take supplements to boost testosterone presence for a quick change.

This is very accurate in fact in the accient world this was a well known factor that many empires should as Rome and China had to serious problems with. Back when wars were fought with swords and muscles a population that was too soft, could prove problematic against harderen barbarians. Alot of wars were fought just keep the men tuff.

I like that quote. Constantly reminds us there is a vicious cycle and we need to get out of our comfort zones to truly succeed.

Definitely interested in the continuation of this post.

Don't get the Trump reference...

Are you praising or bashing the dude? Everything else is spot on, good times do breed weak men (myself included sadly).

No hard challenges or struggles. No great wars or economic depressions.

I have to disagree.

I think 9/11 deeply changed society and it'll take decades, if ever, to get back to where we were before. It has literally made people embrace a police state in exchange for a false promise of their protection.

It has made young men and boys grow up in a world where self reliance, taking care of yourself and loved ones, and any ideas outside of the mainstream are bad and should be looked at with a watchful eye. The state is now suppose to do all of that for you.

We now have feminists publishing articles in mainstream media that would look like something out of a KKK pamphlet if you changed just a few words. Feminism is mainstream and if you're into Red Pill Theory, Men's Rights, MGTOW, or anything of that nature they'll try to label you as a suspected terrorist. Why do you think they're pushing so hard this "woman hating" movement by bringing up incels that have gone on rampages and trying to connect them to the manosphere.

I mean I don't think it'd take me long to find some posts on Reddit comparing this sub to an ISIS recruitment center.

Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives.

Tyler Durden

I never thought of that. If the baseline for being masculine is that you watch sports and drink beer, we got fuckin problems.

Good point. Now this is something we can't blame women or society for - this IS totally our god damned fault. Men are rather easily capable of falling for pleasures, women and sex being only one of them. We're literally bombarded with a 50,000 calorie equivalent diet of pleasure these days. And guess what pleasure does - it leaves you depressed, unproductive, reduces your attention span to mere seconds, incapable of deep work and in soul searing pain as you realize your life's slipping by and you're not evolving or even experiencing life itself as you sit confined to the screens and the tabs, playing on your xbox and wondering why you still feel empty as shit at 3 am in the night. And as you do that, you're being bombarded with social media, youtube and news BS, while eating junk and frozen shit.

True happiness lies in the gym way. Suffering is actually good when it creates growth. The mind, especially the mind, needs a gym of it's own even more than the body does.

Here's a solution. Go and do something that requires about 12 hours of solid focus before it's done. An ultra marathon is for the extreme folks amongst us (and it might be too much strain down the road), but do try something equivalent just once.

Buddhist monks practice meditating on the flame of a lamp for hours to train their concentration. Karma's part of evolution - and there's a whole stack of it that must be suffered for you to evolve. Deny this and that karma will come out in a much more destructive way.

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Nasty women exist where the men are weak. Nasty hags are a lagging indicator of male weakness.

Men are weak because the feminist courts and judges have bludgeoned them into submission. Men are weak because they don't have good male role models in their lives, as they are raised by single mothers.

The heavy drinker has always been lauded in western society- certainly since Berne wrote Games people play in the really sixties. He cites it as one of the foundations for the ‘alcoholic’ game.

We have been ‘educated’ to play some pretty degrading games. Check out ‘schleimel’- it’s the blueprint for bluepill. Again- documented in the sixties so anything dubious most likely implanted before then.

Also would explain why testosterone levels have been falling decade by decade

I don't think decline of masculinity is because of easy times. It has much more to do with raising boys by single mothers. Masculinity is something that has to be learned and if there is no teacher, knowledge passed from generation to generation is lost. You don't need great war to teach your kid how to lift, keep frame and work hard.

I would argue that this process of weakening started after WWII. Post-WWII America was characterized by prosperity and a booming economy and the effect of that on the Baby boomer generation who were raised then was the first domino to fall. No surprise that this generation was also the one responsible for the hippie liberalism culture that eventually gave rise to feminism and the beginning of drug culture acceptance, and sexual liberation etc on a mass scale. All of these forces were fundamental drivers towards where we are today. Forget Generation X and every generation after them, they were fucked from the beginning and just fell in rank with everyone else on the decline. Where all of this will lead to is anyone's guess, but if past history is an indicator of the future its not going to be a pretty sight.

Ni????????a I played Wii fit for 45 minutes a day. I'm alpha. (No offense to my Joycon boyz who lift)

The economic changes in the past few decades have contributed a large part to what is happening nowadays. Theres a great Jordan Peterson bit that summarised is something along the lines of;

• A minority of women existed in the workforce. Men worked and were able to support house hold on a single income.

• Then some high flying women entered the workforce. For a time some households had two incomes. Social mobility in these homes rocketed. Around the time of the 80s right through to the millenials born in the early 90s.

• More and more women entered the workforce to the point where the value of labour is reduced such that two parents are required to earn and support a home. (Present times)

• His prediction for the future is women will then outnumber men in the workforce because men wont be willing to work. The agreeable nature of women means salaries being driven lower with what used to be high value jobs going to those willing to work for the lowest rate. Women are also outperforming men in huge numbers academically. Largely because they're agreeable enough at the age of 17/18 to revise and memorise for exams. Many guys of that age are angsty, looking to get and work already or do anything else than sit in a classroom for 6+ hrs a day.

If you look at points 3 and 4, it says a lot about what's happening to men nowadays. Men are getting jobs and realising that they can barely afford to live, can't afford to 'launch' from mum and dads place despite working full time. They get resentful, they lose motivation and sit home and play video games to stave off bordem. They become weak because there is no motivation to be otherwise. Theres no longer any reward.