Hi, Are there any Red Pill Women out there with mental health issues? I have borderline personality disorder. Everything I read about 'us' is that we are horrible to be in a relationship with, that the guy should escape ASAP, etc. We've been married for 11 years. There have been a lot of ups and downs. Lately, a lot more downs than ups. I had gone through a severe depressed period and looking back can see that I had been criticising him and blaming him for a lot - being too controlling, gaining weight, not being xyz etc etc. Understandably, this made him feel awful but he was doing his best to make me happy - lots of affection and understanding.
Unfortunately I seem to have burnt him out. Now when I cry there is no more warmth. I feel completely alone. I can see that to him I must look like a child, completely unable to control my emotions.
My therapist is quite a feminist (or at least a believer in strong women) and lately she's been encouraging me to be better about asking for what I need, getting him to do more, etc. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be helping and is pushing him away more.
Can anyone relate - is it ever possible for me to be a good wife? Are there any red pill women who have overcome severe mental health issues? I love him but I sometimes feel like I will always be batshit insane and shouldn't put someone else through this. Thanks.

cccch_ 10y ago
DBT therapy and mindfulness meditation worked wonders for me. Also keeping an emotion/self reflection journal :) if you know how you work you can start to take control and make conscious choices on how to correct the negative automatic behavior/reactions.
TempestTcup 11y ago
Get your diet and gut flora in order.
KyfhoMyoba 11y ago
Get a new therapist. The one you have will destroy what little relationship you have left.
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lostatsea93 11y ago
Maybe I missed it, but I did not read you mentioning considering medication anywhere in this post. I am not a doctor, nor am I saying you need to take medication....but it may not be a bad thing to consider.
I also struggle with mild/severe depression, depending on the circumstances. I have gotten really good over the years at managing it with yoga, sleep, diet, no alcohol etc. I have really prided myself on knowing my triggers, taking my me time when I need it to keep it under control.
This past year I endured quite a few "blows" to life, so to speak. I moved across the country, started a new commission only job in a new market, which happens to be one of the most competitive ones in the country, took on an (almost) insurmountable amount of debt that I am paying down aggressively...and just everything else that comes from starting over from square 1. I had a lot of tearful days and fearful days. It was really starting to effect my relationship. Even though I could put a happy face on, I would go home and cry it out. or just have an overall hard time getting out of bed every day
Its not fair to your SO, but its also not fair to you. You enjoy to see all the colors and beautiful things around you. You deserve to enjoy life the way it is supposed to. Inner peace and happiness cannot be manufactured, faked or "sucked up". Mental illness is serious and can not only ruin your relationship, but your life.
If you are open to medication, I would recommend it. I started taking the lowest dose anti depressant again, and it has REALLY helped me manage my emotions.
wantonton 11y ago
Arm chair diagnosis here: you are unrelentingly selfish. I understand your post is short and has only a little information, but as that's all I've got to go on, here goes.
Your first point, in the title, and in your post, is that YOU have a mental health problem. It is also conveniently leading with an excuse for your role.
The entire post is about you. The only thing you say about your SO is that you are now having trouble manipulating him and how that's affecting YOU.
You're lying to yourself and you're lying in this post. You try to take the socially acceptable position in the last paragraph and ask how you can be a "good wife." But no where else in the post do you indicate you care about giving or acting correctly towards your SO. Instead, it's all about how you no longer feel his warmth, you feel alone, and how you believe he views you. Your SO doesn't exist except as a reference point to what you feel isn't correct in your life. It doesn't seem you care about having a good marriage or about being a good wife. You want to know how to get what you want.
evilalter-ego 11y ago
I'm not sure what the point of your post is as it doesn't seem to have any constructive criticism.... So, what then?
blonde_locks 11y ago
I too wanted to say the above but was pretty sure you'd find what I was saying 'mean' as well. It's just that you don't seem to realise that this man, your partner, now has negative associations with you, your presence, your crying and your selfishness. Mental illnesses are hard to deal with but being the SO of a person with mental illness is super tough too. Your therapist typifies the behaviour of society however in asking your partner to do EVEN MORE to help you feel better, despite him clearly unfairly being the only outlet for your drama. And it seems the only reason, based on your post, you want to be a good wife is to have your husband cater to you. Not because he deserves to have a wife who is super awesome and is thankful that he, despite his options for a perfectly 'normal' woman, deals with all the trouble that you bring.
There is a concept called "love bank account" where each partner needs to do more good things for the other than bad things. That allows for there to be a positive balance in the account and the partner feels happy. You seem to verify explaining that you have been making very few small deposits into your husband's love account while withdrawing millions and thinking it is your due. His reaction to you concerns me because burnout is real and people who are burnt out react in the way he does. The next step for him would be to move away from the negative situation that makes his stomach feel queasy and his head hurt. And that, is you. Nobody wants to come home to figure out when the next episode of the 'blame me olympics' will be coming on. You haven't guarded your mate at all but leave him incredibly vulnerable to any pleasant woman who seems to have her shit together.
You need to move into 'wife emergency mode'. Your husband's love account is in deficit. You need to be trying to be super sweet and caring while managing your BPD. But if you don't see and treat this now as a crisis of epic proportions, you may not have this man by your side anymore to be a wife to. And honestly, it would require you to dedicate yourself to your marriage and your therapy like a full time job hoping it will be enough but being very aware you may be too late based on his actions.
wantonton 11y ago
If you cannot understand why what I said should be important to you, A) it only proves my point, and B) tells me your problem is much worse than I thought.
evilalter-ego 11y ago
Nope, I genuinely wanted help. I don't need an armchair diagnosis, I am aware I am selfish and had asked for help to save the marriage with the man I've been in love with since I was 18. The others were helpful, you just sound like you fancy having a dig at me and telling me something obvious which I already knew.
wantonton 11y ago
I have no interest in attacking you and nothing I said was meant to be an attack.
For example, let's say you went to the doctor for a cough and, after thoroughly testing you, diagnosed you with cancer. You wouldn't say she was attacking you. You might not be happy with what she said. You might even go into denial. You wouldn't say she was attacking you.
I wasn't attacking you. I was pointing out your problem. You are selfish. That's not like saying you are tall or have red hair. It's a pattern of choices you make. It's a view of the world you employ. It has known outcomes. You are consistently obtaining said outcomes. This is fairly common in people.
If you are like 99.99% of everyone else, what you want is to experience a deep connection with other people/another person. It's called being human. However, you never stop to actually look at other people. What do they want, who are they? What do they dream for and aspire to? What do they need now? You don't understand people, including yourself. You are only focusing on what you want, to the exclusion of all else. So you don't even know why you feel or how to fix it. Without understanding those aspects, you can't have healthy relationships.
For example, many people have problems with nutrition and overeating. To many, food is food. They eat a bowl of highly refined corn or rice covered in sugar and soaking in, to be "healthy" because they don't understand the role of protein or fat, skim milk. They consume 1/3 of their daily caloric requirements. An hour later, they are hungrier than before they ate. So, they eat more, all highly refined and sugary. The cycle continues until they've eaten 2, maybe 300% of their daily caloric needs. Their blood sugar has peaked and spiked all day, so they are physically and mentally exhausted by 3pm and any sort of exercise is unthinkable, concentration a joke. They have no understanding of why and no capacity to exert the energy to fix it, and no realization it can likely be fixed. Instead, we have huge grants going to scientists to prove it's all "genetic." It isn't. Eat a high fiber, low sugar (maybe 5% total-and watch your fruits), non-refined carb. diet where 35-50 percent of your calories are made up of a 2/3 - 1/3 split of protein and fat, respectively. Get one hour of moderate exercise everyday. Will do wonders for the vast majority of people.
You've done the same-only on an emotional level. Self indulgence allowing emotional/empathy/sympathy atrophy to set in. From your post it sounds like you've spent 11 years, minimum, being an unmitigated taker. Try one month of being a selfless giver. W/o telling him what's going on, wake up every morning asking yourself how you can make his day better/happier and then do it. Keep asking all day. Go to bed planning how to improve it tomorrow. What ever he asks for, do it to the best of your ability-you are not allowed to say no. Observe yourself. Observe him.
The point is not to obliterate yourself, but to know it. To allow your bad habits and impulse reactions/assumptions to weaken enough to see what's lying underneath. What truly makes you happy, sad, excited, curious and afraid. Are there ways for you to feel special or connected other than just by receiving or being in control?
Once you've learned how to truly connect with yourself, you'll be in a better position to connect with others.
evilalter-ego 11y ago
Thank you for taking the time to write back to me. This is one of the most insightful things anyone has said to me, ever.
aZombieKitten 11y ago
I have a question: Are you currently medicated or have you considered medication?
Also, if you feel your therapist is not helpful, there's nothing wrong with changing to someone who better meets your needs. It's important to have a good relationship with your therapist and know that they'll give advice that fits what you need, not what they want (such as trying to force your SO to do more, even though it sounds like he's done plenty).
Also, I think it's safe to say after so long, anyone would burn out dealing with such heavy issues. If my anxiety was extremely crippling, I couldn't expect my SO to shoulder that burden forever with smiles and warmth. It gets hard for anyone. Shrinks even have trouble dealing with all of their clients' problems and talk to other shrinks because of it. If he's taking care of you, it's likely he has no time for himself, so of course he would burn out. The only person who can fix your problems is you, and your SO is probably getting stressed out because he's trying to fix them for you.
Second question(s): Have you always had issues with BPD? Do you know what the root of the problem is or where it began?
As the others have said, there are also methods that don't involve actual medication. I'd advise looking into treatments and seeing if you can ask a psychiatrist for advice on what might work.
evilalter-ego 11y ago
I've been on a lot of medication in the past but stopped for various reasons - weird side effects, mainly. I've been through the gamut of things - antipsychotics, mood stabilisers, antidepressants, anti-anxiety tablets, etc etc. Some of them helped some of the time but there was always a relapse and the side effects would get to me. It's been bad enough lately that I've considered asking to be put back on them, but part of the reason I came off them is because I want to have kids one day (catch 22 though, because at the moment I feel too crazy to have kids so it's certainly not something that will happen in the short term)
Re: question 2, it's been a long-running issue. I have had mental health issues since 15 years old when I was hospitalised for anorexia 5 times. At that time they also diagnosed me as bipolar. Then I had some serious drug issues, then I relapsed with the anorexia again and got diagnosed with BPD instead of bipolar. I think in reality a lot of it must be environmental since my mother has very strong histrionic / borderline tendencies, my dad abandoned us when I was 12 and had all kinds of messy affairs, my mum was suicidal, etc. Plus there was some weird abuse stuff going on. It's very hard to un-fuck your head once you've got into a weird groove.
You're right though, it's absolutely not fair to dump it on someone. Especially my nearest and dearest. I just desperately want to be fixed but need to do it my own self huh!!
aZombieKitten 11y ago
How weird are we talking for side effects? Were they worse than your symptoms? Because sometimes we have to weather the side effects in order to get the necessary treatment. Have you tried exercise to see if that would help things? It's very common to give exercise a go in regards to treating a wide variety of disorders.
Hmm... So genetic predisposition tied with environmental factors. Sounds classic enough. Moving beyond the past is possible, which may help you like it helped me. I was beat often by my little brother and played a role in my developing anxiety. I still flinch if anyone moves too quickly because my brain sees fast motion as "I'm about to be hit." What helped me was realizing that I could handle my anxiety and not let it control me. Although the panic attacks come, I'm much more able to ride them out and handle them as compared to before. It can be hard to do, but developing self-control is key to dealing with the disorders, especially mood and personality disorders.
You should definitely put in some research and learn what you can do. I imagine your SO wants to help, but he's exhausting himself trying, since you seem to be having issues reining it in for the most part. My SO is my rock, but if I unloaded my anxiety on him completely, he'd get tired, too, so I weather it on my own and find ways to cope or control what parts I can.
About the kids, I'd say the first thing is to get your mental health in check before the children come. As you've seen from your own experience, having a mother that's unstable is not good for kids, so it's important you get yourself in check so that you're capable of taking care of them as well as being the best you can be for your SO.
Good luck with fixing your issues. :3
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Not one particle of RP on this thread
Your mental issues make you selfish, self absorbed, self obsessed and force everyone around you to dance to your tune and walk on eggshells. This is the opposite of giving, yielding, demure, serving femininity.
Instead of therapy, try taking yourself in hand and being grateful to the poor man that puts up with you. Read the surrendered wife, slap some duct tape over your mouth and turn yourself over to your husband
I don't usually recommend anything like domestic discipline because it's so corny, but I think something like www.takeninhand.com might benefit you
evilalter-ego 11y ago
Yep, you're right it does make me selfish as hell, immature, self obsessed, etc. I recognise that (that's why I asked for help) but right now it's like I'm watching my reactions in horror and am able to do very little to control them except try and pick up the pieces afterwards.
I think you've suggested some good material to read. I'll try the duct tape too, my bloody mouth gets me in sooooo much trouble! It's very hard to just shut it.
[deleted] 11y ago
Really, i genuinely believe a lot of your acting out is seeking the COMFORT of dominance and guidance
Bea_Noemi 11y ago
This is good, RP advice. OP, you can control how you react to things. It's just harder for you.
evilalter-ego 11y ago
Thank you Bea - I want to try. I'm relieved you guys are not saying it's impossible.
TempestTcup 11y ago
Not RP of course, but exercise and a good diet full of saturated fats could help more than maintenance spankings :)
But then again the spankings might make HIM feel better. OP, tell your husband that whenever you get batshit, to put you over his knee and spank until he feels better, LOL.
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BPD aint nothing a black eye doesnt fix
Bea_Noemi 11y ago
I'm risking flak for this but this isn't something that "a black eye" can fix. This takes constant effort and management. Plenty of people with personality and mental disorders get beatings for a variety of reasons (mainly because they're behaving in a way where a black eye may be justified, I don't know) and it doesn't help. Perhaps I missed the sarcasm. My apologies if so.
[deleted] 11y ago
it was a joke
Bea_Noemi 11y ago
I apologize. I misunderstood.
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evilalter-ego 11y ago
Thank you for this. I'd never thought of that - I'd always fought against that feeling but never thought to accept it rather than demanding that someone or something come to my rescue.
I think a lot of my own pain is caused by thinking about 'shoulds' i.e. 'I shouldn't be feeling this way', 'in normal relationships, he should comfort me', 'why is he not more understanding' etc. So focussing on loads of stuff outside my control and then feeling like a victim when I don't get it. Lame huh.
And thanks for the encouragement, I'm pleasantly surprised to not be shunned for having BPD. You guys are right, I need to take responsibility it's just haaaaard as fuck.
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evilalter-ego 11y ago
This is an interesting idea. I think if I was watching myself on screen I would want to throw things at the TV. It's an interesting way to evaluate things.
This is also true. I can see that I'm very greedy and take take take but give him basically bugger all in return. That's why I want to fix it. I feel like I need to be deprogrammed, I have been stuck in such a mode of entitlement.
I do need to care for him and stop taking him for granted.
SmallOrange 11y ago
I had very severe depression and panic disorder (that developed into agoraphobia) and it was getting in the way of my life in the worst way manageable. The only thing that I found that worked was to change my lifestyle, most importantly, what I was eating.
I started eating whole foods, a lot less carbohydrate, absolutely nothing processed and nothing with sugar. The key was to eat more healthy fats and adequate protein. I can still remember the first time I was able to leave my house without medication and I cried tears of joy... I had suffered from mental illness since I was a child, and now have been anxiety and depression free for 2 years.
I would highly recommend looking into lifestyle factors. Food is something that I have researched extensively as it really saved my life. I have seen cases of people with both mental and physical disorders who have gone into remission or who have seen a dramatic improvement in overall health and well being just from managing diet alone.
How is your every day stress? How is your sleep? How is your physical activity? What are the things in your own life (outside of your relationship) that you can manage and control? Start there and see where it goes.
When the worst part of your disorder is triggered, is there any way that you can draw your own attention to it and modify or curtail the behaviour and is there anything specific that sets it off?
Bakerofpie 11y ago
Shit, I'm crazy too, but how long have you actively been putting forth effort to fix this? When I noticed my bipolar causing issues in my relationship I contact my doctor to let them know what's going on immediately, and I turn myself over to my husband. I tell him I can't think rationally and I need him to be my brain for a moment. Follow orders without being a bitch about it, and hopefully after some intense self reflection and perhaps a medication change and exercise you will be clear headed enough to thank him for helping you get through the episode.
My mental illness affects every facet of my life, but it's possible to minimize the effects on a marriage. FIND A NEW THERAPIST ASAP. You can have a mental illness and still be a good wife, but it is most definitely marriage on hard mode. You will have to work HARD, make no excuses for yourself, take responsibility for your own behavior and do WHATEVER IT TAKES to get yourself under control. This hits close to home for me because I couldn't even imagine putting the man I love through a life of dealing with me unmedicated and not actively working every day at keeping my shit together. Don't ever tell yourself it's not possible.
evilalter-ego 11y ago
Thank you for your encouragement. It's good to hear that your husband is able to support you in that way and that you are able to distance yourself enough from your issues to act rationally. I've been working on this since August of 2013. I guess I've been slacking lately since I've had a lapse for the last 3 months or so. I think I got complacent thinking that I was better or normal. I'd been in a great place for a while over the summer, took my eye of the ball and lapsed back into crazy-land. I guess it's like a diabetic always having to keep an eye on blood sugar, manage lifestyle properly, etc. Good levels doesn't mean it's gone, just well managed.
Bakerofpie 11y ago
I hope I didn't come across as too harsh. It's just a subject that is very close to my heart and I feel very passionate about. I know that at least with bipolar there are often times when you are tempted to say "I'm better, I don't need to worry about it anymore," but unfortunately it just isn't true. Best of luck on getting back on track!
evilalter-ego 11y ago
Not at all, you have all been so understanding and encouraging. Thank you!
proprioceptor 11y ago
I second the recommendation for a new therapist. I've been having a lot of trouble with depression and anxiety, and it's really helped having a therapist whose gut reaction isn't just to tell me to dump my boyfriend when he isn't compassionate enough. Guys have limitations too, and if your therapist can help you specifically with how you can help you understand how to work with him then I bet you will see a lot of positive changes :)
persistencepays 11y ago
Yes! I believe your posting here is proof of that!
I'm not qualified to comment on mental health issues, but based on your wanting to be better, here are some ideas for you; I realize they may or may not be relevant or possible given your mental situation.
Every time you say something negative to yourself in your head, interrupt it and say to yourself something positive, like "I am becoming a great wife!" or "I am so thankful for my husband!" Being thankful has a positive impact on mood.
When you tell a typical man, in detail, about a problem (like your feeling depressed) that he can't fix, he experiences tension and anxiety. They you feel worse because he's not being sympathetic.
Go out & do something social with a female friend. Outpour your emotions to her (and provide her with a friendly ear to her problems too). Then you won't need to pour out on your husband.
Are you busy enough? Do you have skills you want to develop? Focus and engagement are powerful tools for improving mood. Try a complicated recipe you've never tried.
One time per day, tell your husband "I love you" with a hug, kiss or affectionate touch (can be as small as squeezing his hand for a second). Don't do it for his reaction, just focus on giving love energy with no expectation of anything back.
evilalter-ego 11y ago
Thank you that is really sweet! :)
Your ideas are really helpful, especially being thankful. I didn't realise that unloading problems onto him that he can't fix will cause tension and anxiety but that explains a lot.
I also love your suggestion of giving love - these feel like manageable steps I can take. Thank you.
orangekayla 11y ago
RPW has helped a lot with my mental issues. I have anger management issues that stem from anxiety. It used to be that when I did not feel in control I would get anxious, and lash out as a result. Letting my husband be in control has granted me some freedom from my anxiety. I know he is in control, and things will be righted in the end.
When I do get anxious and start getting into a tizzy, my DH knows that I'm feeling like I have no control over events and will give me a task. Laundry? I can do that. Baking? That's doable. Knowing that he knows how to help me with my anxiety keeps me more at ease too, because he knows how to help me manage, and he makes me feel like he has control over the uncontrollable, if that makes sense. It gives me time to calm down and be productive. Do you guys have any techniques you use when your symptoms pop up?
This is my opinion, but I don't think that your therapist is doing any good for you at all if you're feeling this way about her. You need to see somebody who is like minded. You CAN be a strong woman without asking the world of your DH. A strong woman will take all of our advice to heart and overcome, for herself and for her husband. I do think you can become a good wife again, you're on the right track. The first step in solving a problem is recognizing it. Be warm and gentle. Show him that you appreciate his support in these trying times, he will need that right now. This last piece is so important too, with out it, he will continue to be burnt out. Show him you love him.
wendy-fly 11y ago
Ooosh, BPD is a rough one. It's rough on your husband and rough on you and I admire you both have gotten through 11 years of that madness. In my opinion, RP type relationships are actually wonderful for mental health issues in women IF AND ONLY IF you have an extremely good captain. Someone else said this and it's true, you both are playing this on hard mode. With BPD diet and exercise isn't going to cut it, this isn't just depression or PMS. This is a personality disorder which means that every level of you is screwed up. It's called "borderline" because it is borderline bipolar, borderline narcissistic personality disorder, borderline antisocial personality disorder, borderline anxiety disorder, borderline nearly every other mental health issue. It destroys lives and marriages and is incredibly hard to treat and frankly, most therapists won't touch it with a 10 foot pole because of the push/pull/ 'I hate you, I love you', 'I'm going to kill myself if you don't call me back in 10 minutes', 'You are the worst therapist ever and I'm calling your boss to say you sexually harassed me unless you get in me to see you tomorrow' bullshit. Now, of course, BPD exists on a spectrum and a person can be mild to severe and I hope you are mild for your own sake. BPD people resent authority and take shit tests to a new level.
You owe this to your husband to do everything you can to be a good wife.
First, if you haven't, get educated on BPD. I mean, really really educated, like PhD level. What is it? Why? How did it happen? Then get even more educated on YOUR BPD. You need to be doing Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, which is the most evidence based therapy for BPD. You need to revisit medication for the borderline depression, mania, and anxiety. I'm not convinced your therapist is bad but if she isn't doing DBT with you and isn't an expert and specialist in BPD, you need someone else. You need an expert. People with BPD can play most people like violins and you need someone smarter and more savvy than you are. In most countries there are intensive programs for people with BPD that meet 3-5 days per week, 3-8 hours per day. It is a crash course in relearning how to think, act, and feel. It is called Intensive Outpatient or Partial Hospitalization (partial because you are at the hospital all day but go home at night). Find these programs and make it happen for your husband and for you.
You also need to take a no-tolerance policy with yourself. There is zero excuse for saying the things you've said to your man, no mental health reason, nothing. When in doubt, STFU. Get yourself the Surrendered Wife book, read it, do it. You need to apologize to your husband and live the apology. It sounds like you don't deserve his warmth and affection and you are like a child, completely out of control. Step up and be an adult.
If your husband is a good captain and once you know your BPD inside and out, you need to do what Bakerofpie said, which is at the FIRST sign of relapse, you give yourself over to the care of your husband. "Husband, I'm relapsing and I need you to tell me what to do," and then do what he says. Also, if he says, "Evilalter-ego, you are relapsing, you need to do X, Y, Z," you need to do it regardless of if you agree with him or not. You have to let him be the steel core to your mental health. Stepping into a first mate role will be the best thing you've ever done and bring you peace and stability. You won't need to be controlling everything, deciding if you should be close, deciding if you are happy or unhappy and what you should do about it. You can calm the storm in your heart. You can stop feeling so empty and feel fulfilled but it's going to take a serious amount of work and a really good captain.
Good luck!
Bea_Noemi 11y ago
BPD is unfortunately one of those things that gets mentioned a lot in RP when there is any sign of a woman seeming unbalanced. True BPD is a struggle and I empathize with you. The women they talk about on RP (usually) are immature women with bad habits. A mental illness cannot be diagnosed on a Reddit Forum. Okay, now that my rant is over:
Keep to your treatment. Having a fulfilling relationship is possible. From what I've read, medication isn't super useful although it's used to tame the behaviors of BPD. Your spouse sounds like he is understanding of your illness and as long as you stay aware, it will be better. It's hard to stay away when you're feeling lousy because your rational mind has been taken over.
It's possible to get a hold of this, you just have to work unbelievably hard, every single moment. That is the card that you were dealt. If you're willing to work harder on this than anything else you have ever done, you can make this work.
leftajar 11y ago
Yikes, that can't be helping. You're like a credit card owner who just keeps borrowing more and more. For a long time, you've been making withdrawals from your husband, without making many deposits. And your therapist is saying, the solution is to withdraw even more? No surprise it didn't work.
BPD is tough. Of all the disorders, the personality disorders are the toughest to cure. Really, there is no cure -- just management.
My best suggestion would be take it upon yourself to begin a program of exercise and meditation. Like, take a 30-minute walk every morning, and meditate for 10 minutes. That won't "fix" anything, but it may give some regularity to your emotional state. Also, it'll feel really good.
NSACOP 11y ago
I have PTSD from trauma, and I would also go through many depressed episodes, in the past. My therapist was also very feminist and blue pill, I suggest first of all, trying different therapies for different situations/feelings/needs. One for your personal issues, one for your relationship, and one to learn how to deal with these situations in a more mature way.
Regretfully I have gotten to the point where I was almost physical with my partner in the past some two times. I have to say, first you have to learn to distance yourself, come up with what to tell him even if it's just "I need to vent this is nothing involving you" or "we both need to fix xyz" because it's best to spread the problem and work together to fix a problem than to blame him or yourself entirely. First find out what you have to do, calm down then talk to your partner and work for an outcome.
Along with that discipline yourself, lose weight, and do more feminine things. Take 2-4 days out of the month to self pamper and give him alone time too, do your nails and let him go to bars with friends. A good amount of distance will help you distinguish your problems from his, and also cherish a little more the time you have together.
I also recommend learning to bite your tongue. Some things are worth fighting for, not everything that goes wrong is.
redpill_ta 11y ago
Guy chiming in.
So I've been in a relationship with a severely depressed girl. She cried every day. I tried to help her, got her a therapist, managed her panic attacks, her meds, her doctors etc. But, yes, in the end it burnt me out (we were together almost a year, but we split when she was commited.). But you know why? Because she was not trying. She was not trying to get better, she was not trying to control her emotions.
I've also had therapy and as other have said, find a new therapist. I hear you usually need to try three or more before you find someone (I found my right match on the 2nd try). They (if they are any good) know this, so don't worry about it.
But the most important thing for you to remember is: you're in control.
You say you feel like you're batshit insane. Fine. But you don't have to be. Yes, I know it's hard. It may even be impossible to be completely "not insane" (due to underlying physiological problems) but you can do much better. It'll just take time and a lot of hardwork fighting your inner impulses.
May I suggest reading a bit about how the brain works and why we act the way we act. Only than can you change the way you act (this has helped me immensely).
For starters you can browse this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
But I suggest reading a few lay books on the topic, like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_People_Play_(book)
evilalter-ego 11y ago
Thanks for the reading suggestions, I appreciate it and will check them out. It's hard to feel that I'm in control but it's encouraging to hear that there's something I can do. I guess I really haven't been trying enough and have been wallowing. Everyone here seems to be saying the same thing - it takes hard work. Guess it's time to face reality.
gabilromariz 11y ago
If you are unhappy with your therapist, look into getting a new one that understands what you want to acomplish and help you get there.
I believe you can control your emotions or at least severely improve your state with the right tools and help. So look into taking the best possible care of yourself, with adequate diet, exercise and a therapist that is working WITH you, not against.
It seems like whenever you're having a bad time, you rely solely on your man for support and he's a bit burned out of that. Consider finding other sources of support for when you feel bad like a girlfriend you can call on for rants or your mother. If that's not happening, try venting your feelings at 7cupsoftea.com until you get a better grip of yourself.
Lastly make sure your man knows how much you appreciate his help and support, even through your worse times. Whenever you're feeling better, do something that shows how much you appreciate him :)
evilalter-ego 11y ago
Thank you for your recommendations, 7cupsoftea looks great. I am reluctant to lean on friends (I'm not that open with people) maybe that's part of the problem, that I'm too isolated and therefore too much of the pressure is on him. Appreciation would definitely go a mile too, he is always saying he feels taken for granted, the last priority, ignored, etc. Obviously I have a long way to go :(
gabilromariz 11y ago
It's alright, everyone here is making progress in one way or another. Just think of how happy you can be with such a self-improvement journey ahead of you :)
7cupsoftea is an annonymous service. You can choose a listener you like (I'm GabiL, if you're interested) or be taken to a random one. You can also choose to make an account or remain an anonymous guest.
The one thing I'd say turned my progress the most, going from entitled brat to better girlfriend was starting to take actual pleasure in doing things for my man. Find something you love doing already, and start loving to do it for his sake. Everything can work in this regard from crafts, to working out to cooking (which gives more immediate rewards so it may be a good place to start).
Baby steps! The fact that you are aware of where things aren't at it's best puts you miles ahead of many other women :)
I hope you find some good inspiration and a good plan to get better control of yourself and your relationship. I'll be here to cheer on your progress so be sure to update or ask for help whenever
Iva3442 11y ago
Your therapist seems to be telling you "get your man to do more" when you're very obviously telling us that the guy has no reserves left. Tell me a bit about your therapist's approach to therapy, is she CBT, does she work with borderline patients a lot?
This is a very telling part of your post and I invite you to analyze it. You cry, and the fact that there is no more warmth is distressing to you. You shouldn't be distressed by this. When you cry, you need to cry for yourself and yourself alone. It's a physical manifestation of psychological distress, and it's something that should be done to relieve your psychological distress, not to elicit a reaction from another person. That's your borderline thinking at work. If you need warmth from him, you have to communicate, openly to him, that you need warmth from him. You have to be humble enough to ask. And it's going to be hard for you, like really hard. Keep this mentality in mind, keep yourself in check, it's going to be second nature to you to make emotional displays to try to get reactions out of him. Make yourself break this habit. If you need something from him, ask him for it. Your tears are about your emotions, not his reactions. This won't be easy for you. Don't get discouraged and keep trying to improve.
Get to your local library and study bipolar disorder relentlessly. Study psychology relentlessly in general. The more you understand your problems, the better equipped you'll be to handle them.
Yes it's possible for you to be a good wife, but you got dealt a shit hand in life, and you're playing this game on hard mode. Recognize that and work with it, and don't give up on it.
Bakerofpie 11y ago
My mom is undiagnosed but has some strong indicators of BPD and I learned at a very young age to ignore her when she cries. I would hear her sobbing in her room and turn up the TV. I couldn't help and was more likely to be guilt tripped if I tried anyway. OP needs to think about why she's crying in the first place. If you're crying "just because" then go in a different room and pull yourself together because it's no one else's job to deal with your incessant weeping that comes and goes based on inexplicable triggers. I don't blame her husband for showing no warmth whatsoever. He's emotionally exhausted for a reason.
evilalter-ego 11y ago
Thank you for your constructive comments. I can really relate, my mum also acts very much like she had BPD (also undiagnosed). Very manipulative, guilt tripping, would cry at us that we wouldn't care if she died. Unsurprisingly, my dad left. She gave him a brick of charcoal for Christmas one time and made him cry. She could be unbelievably cruel and it scares me that I appear to be repeating that cycle.
Bakerofpie 11y ago
I'm afraid of turning out like my mom so for me it's a HUGE motivator. If I find myself thinking "my mom would do something like this" I run in the opposite direction. It's a lot harder when you grow up thinking that irrational and cruel behavior is normal.
evilalter-ego 11y ago
That's so true. That can act like a sort of compass for my own behaviour - I love the suggestion. I can basically do the opposite of what my mum would have done. It is so hard when you don't have good role models huh - which is why forums like this are so helpful.
evilalter-ego 11y ago
I love this quote. Thank you. Playing it on hard mode is a much more helpful way of looking at it than what it's been feeling lately (i.e. futile, why play at all, why not have another tantrum, etc).
My therapist specialises in treating borderline patients and the type of therapy is a combination of Dialectical Behaviour Therapy and Schema Therapy. She has been super helpful (I have actually come a long way from where I was last year, in terms of stopping dangerous behaviours) but according to her I'm in 'phase 2' DBT which means, life threatening behaviours have stopped and I'm in 'quiet desperation', not having yet created a life worth living. She's been helpful so far so maybe I need to do more to bridge this gap and get her to stop hating on my man.
I do ask my husband for warmth but it's hard to segregate that activity from the crying. I guess I should learn to cry by myself and then speak to him when I'm calm. I'm sorely lacking in the skills to calm myself down. Having typed this out, I can see why he'd be damn tired of it.
Iva3442 11y ago
She sounds pretty legit. Focus more on the advice that goes along the lines of "how to change your behavior" rather than "how to change him to accommodate your behavior". For the reasons A) he sounds like his patience is thread bare right now and B) there's no guarantee that he's going to make that adjustment, and he isn't obligated to.
wendy-fly 11y ago
If your therapist is 'hating' on your man it is because you are complaining about your man. She only knows what you tell her. Have you told her all of things you say to him? Have you been honest how you treat him? If you said, "I criticized my husband a lot for nothing, for his weight, for not being XYZ," there is no therapist who would reply, "well you need to tell him to do more around the house,". I'm pretty sure if you said, "I've been a really bad wife to my husband, I love him, and I want our marriage to work but I don't know how to not manipulate him, pull him close, and push him away," the therapist would have some good tools to use. Also, you can let your therapist know that you and your husband want a traditional relationship where the husband is the head of the household. Therapists are not supposed to put their values on you but to help you uphold your own. Let her know that you know the type of life you want and your quiet desperation is because you feel like you are unable to make it happen.
evilalter-ego 11y ago
Thank you, that's really good advice. I am seeing her on Thursday and told her I want to speak to her about this. We've never talked about my selfishness or horrible behaviour to my husband, partly because I didn't see it myself and she seemed to think of me as a blameless victim. It's been eye-opening talking with you all, so thank you for that.
wendy-fly 11y ago
It's part of her job to be on your side and to let you know she is your ally. In therapy it is important for the therapist to have unconditional positive regard for his/her clients. However, the therapist should be able to tell between short term satisfaction, being told you are all right and your husband is all wrong, and long term satisfaction, having the type of marriage that works for you. She can still show positive regard for you (meaning, thinking you are a good person) and help you stop doing behaviors you are ultimately unhappy with and lead to an unhappy life.
Talk to your therapist and give her the whole story. If she can't hang, find a new one.
Pizza-n-Lice 11y ago
Psychological issues are often hormonal, have you had yours checked? How is your diet? It matters a lot more than you think - for example, in the minnesota starvation experiment, the people began acting crazy(like cutting off fingers) and unstable on too few calories. Pay attention to what you did the day before, or on the day that you feel better. There is reasearch showing that foods that irittate the intestine affect peoples behaviour. So you might try to opt for things that are easy for your body to digest, don't give you gas etc... balanced meals of protein, fats and carbs, to keep your blood sugar stable throughout the day, not going too long in between eating etc.
Don't take your psychological issues as something you have to be stuck with forever! You can get better even if you have dealt with it for so long. Maybe take up some relaxing activity, like yoga? Not as exercise where you push yourself, but to really feel any problem in your body, many people get an emotional relase from different poses, practice breathing exercises; these are really important and can make a huge difference.
heliox 11y ago
Yeah... This is not something that can be resolved without a ton of therapy. BPD isn't a transient problem.
TempestTcup 11y ago
These are things that might HELP. It doesn't hurt to exercise, have a healthy diet, and make sure you get all of the nutrients you need.
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TempestTcup 11y ago
Fish oil, coconut oil and good grass-fed animal fat (Kerrygold Butter) stabilized my moods significantly, and making sure I was getting my minerals also helped. Certain minerals like Magnesium, Zinc, Potassium, and Calcium are considered "calming" minerals, and they also help you sleep. Make sure you get chelated minerals: the mineral will end in "ate" instead of "ide" and you might have to go to a health food store to get the magnesium.
evilalter-ego 11y ago
Thanks for the suggestions. I eat a primal/paleo-ish diet (most of the time). Lots of free range meat and vegetables and I almost always avoid wheat and sugar. I'll keep an eye out for chelated minerals!
SmallOrange 11y ago
How is the fat content though? That might be the key missing component! As long as you are getting all your B12's, electrolytes and enough fats it should help even things out for you. I elaborated in another comment as I suffered from very severe anxiety and depression which I over came with nutrition.
whitebunny87 11y ago
yes! when i'm feeling cranky or down or PMS-y my recipe is:
has not let me down yet. a couple of days like this and i'm feeling better
i think magnesium is highly underrated not just for mood disorders but also heart health. i used to get a lot of benign but annoying heart palpitations. i went to a cardiologist and he told me to take magnesium and they've all but disappeared. he also said that he has his wife and teen daughters take extra magnesium for PMS and period cramping. it really is a very important mineral that a lot of people are deficient in.
edit: obviously OP has some issues that may need different therapy and meds, but looking after your base health with these things is only going to make the big stuff easier to cope with. fix the simple stuff first!
TempestTcup 11y ago
Zinc is also really good for periods etc. I've found that while going through menopause it relieves all my symptoms. I take zinc and magnesium at night as a sleep aid.
whitebunny87 11y ago
good to know! i've never used zinc before.