I've been a lurker for months. I've read a lot on here, and it's been incredibly enlightening. Thank you!
Anyway, I always assumed that Tinder and Bumble and the like were always used for hookups, but after people kept on telling me their stories about how they found their long term boyfriend from one of these, I'm starting to question my previous assumptions. I have also heard of people using it for other reasons too, like simply finding people to talk to. Idk how common that is, though.
My question: I'm sorry if this question is dumb, but is finding a potential LTR through the site a possibility if you're not keen on having sex until several months after commitment? Do you have particular advice on this? Are some apps/websites better than others for my goals?
EDIT FOR CLARITY: I am NOT interested in a fling. I am interested in sex ONLY after several months AFTER commitment/LTR status. I am NOT interested in doing anything for the sake of "gaining experience." I hope to marry the man who takes my virginity if possible, but that depends on how well I vet, I guess. I have simply realized that no LTR is gonna wait till marriage for me.
A little bit about me:
I'm a virgin, but I have recently abandoned the belief of saving sex till marriage when I realized how impractical it was given the times (also realized this partially because of you guys). Given that, I think I align with RPW on almost everything, including on the subject of sex being important to satisfying my future Captain.
I am a 21 year old female, above average looks I think. I am in pharmacy school, and I'm too busy to go looking for an LTR right now, but I want to resume dating over the summer, when I'll be working in the area (urban, large state university next to another top tier university). I don't have a problem dating older guys (under 28 y o). I've had one LTR for 7 months but that ended 1 1/2 years ago. I was looking around last year and got attention from several guys, but I thought that none of them were right for me at the time.
Thank you for your help!
LAST EDIT: Wow, thank you guys for all of your responses! I did not expect this. Here is a consensus I found and conclusions I drew, courtesy of all of you! Feel free to build on this for a later post if you'd like.
1.) Finding an LTR on one of these sites is possible but quite unlikely, possibly even not worth it on some platforms.
2.) OKCupid > Bumble > Tinder in possibility in finding an LTR, OKC being the best of the three (thank you u/tempintheeastbay )
3.) Coffee Meets Bagel and other lesser known sites that give more of a filtering feature also show promise.
4.) There is not yet a clear consensus in RPW on the practicality and value of saving it till marriage.
5.) The one clear consensus on this topic is that no matter what you choose if deciding to keep it or not think it through and make sure you don't regret it. You can't get your virginity back!
6.) u/lonliness-inc gave some particularly good advice for those who would like to save it for marriage:
No sex before marriage/serious relationship has to be an absolute rule that you never broke and never will break. You being a virgin, you have that moral authority. Once you have casual sex once, you can't realistically make anyone wait.
You have to make your sexual attraction and desire known often. Doesn't need to be verbal, but it does need to be clear and often. He needs to know that you really crave sex with him even though you're waiting.
- Delivery. If you aren't receptive or enthusiastic when you do have sex, he'll feel cheated out of sex for all the time he waited. The resentment would then be sky high, possibly beyond recovery.
MsAfrodisiac 7y ago
Yes. A lot of people I know are in relationships that resulted from dating apps. Please keep in mind, most of these people attended law school with me and are in the legal profession. I also know several medical students or those in their residency who use the app. All of us work really hard and either had limited time to socialize or were looking to date people outside of our professional and social and professional circles. It's all about how you use the app and setting expectations at the very beginning with people you meet. Choose your pictures carefully and make sure your bio implicitly indicates that you have RPW values. It may take a really long time and many bad dates, but it's certainly possible to find a LTR. For some reason the vast majority of LTR that I'm aware of have come from Bumble. I also know people who have had some success with Coffee Meets Bagle and The League.
PhaedrusHunt 7y ago
If you ginover and read TRP you'll see posts from several different types of men.
There are women haters, players, super etas trying to be more attractive to women, men that have had sex with hundreds of women, and kissless virgins.
I'm older than most there, I've been married and divorced, had a horrible custody battle, but I still like and enjoy women, am not mysogynistic, and do very well with women.
Which has led to a few of the younger posters consulting me through private messages for advice and to vent their frustrations.
Listen, there ARE ambitious young men out there who want to marry a woman who is a virgin or at the very least hasn't slept with a whole lot of men. My girlfriend and I are both 39, she's been divorced too-- I have no illusions nor do I ask questions about her sexual history. Besides, at my age, meeting a virgin is the last thing on my mind.
THAT SAID, you can find men who are interested in that.
Now, it's not gonna be a guy like me. I met my girlfriend on OkCupid. We had sex the first night. She told me she never does that, just a couple other times (I didn't believe her at first but do now-- not that it mattered to me, as I've definitely done that many times).
The point is we have similar values.
I think you can find people with similar values on dating apps. I'm hesitant about Tinder. Less so about Bumble. OK Cupid is pretty good. There's also Hinge and Meet Mindful. I tried coffee meets bagel and it was awful.
The one thing I would caution against: make sure you're not just somebody's conquest. And once you ARE in a relationship, do your damn homework and find out how to be great in bed. Men need to develop skills. For women, this is the case but to a lesser extent. Enthusiasm goes a LONG way.
WhatIsThisAccountFor 7y ago
There will be a lot of trial and error if you use dating apps. Emphasis on the error.
If you’re going for the most attractive men on those, unless you’re stunning yourself, you will constantly be relegated to a plate by using Tinder or Bumble.
I think Coffee Meets Bagel is probably the best one for dating. I am male so I don’t know the age of the men on there, but most of the women are between 24-28. So that is on the upper end of your dating range if the men are similar.
You would definitely be one of the younger users, though, which is an advantage for you.
MsAfrodisiac 7y ago
This is a really good point. The super attractive guys on there tend to be players. If you are looking for a quality guy, I would recommend being more open to a less attractive guy who may share the same values as yourself.
ilfuoconellevene 7y ago
I came here to also recommend Coffee Meets Bagel! We only met recently but I am dating a wonderful guy I met off the app. I also went on dates with a few other men prior to meeting him and they were all respectable and never used pick up lines or said anything overtly sexual on the app (while I enjoyed meeting them there sometimes just wasn't a spark so to speak).
I think I had read that like 96% of users have a Bachelors degree. It has a reputation for having higher quality partners. You might have better luck if you're in a highly populated area, but I would download it and give it a try!
WhatIsThisAccountFor 7y ago
Ya I have lived in areas that are not very highly populated and you only had about 2-3 people to scroll through per day. Now I live near a big city and I get like 20-25per day
ANameOnFire 7y ago
Ha!
I thought I had never heard of Coffee Meets Bagel until I saw the Shark Tank picture on their website! <3
Seems like it might be a decent place to try. Thanks for letting me know!
tempintheeastbay 7y ago
OH yeah I forgot about them - they tend to attract a geekier, more educated crowd (which I loved!).
KittenLoves_ 7y ago
Is it possible to find an LTR off apps like Tinder or Bumble? Sure. Anything is possible. I managed it.
Is it likely? No. Not even remotely.
If you're keen on using an app, my recommendation has always been OkCupid, because you have the space to mention things like wanting comittment, not being interested in hookups, etc. Furthermore, people who match with you on sites like that are more likely to be ones who share your values, because you can answer questions to rate your compatibility based on different issues.
No dating app is perfect, but there are some that would be more likely to work better than others. And especially if you're a virgin I would avoid Tinder. Pretty much any longterm, committed relationship that comes out of there will be a fluke. And I say this having met my longterm, committed boyfriend off Tinder. Avoid it.
ANameOnFire 7y ago
Thanks for your advice.
Do you by chance know of anyone specifically who has achieved this through OKCupid?
RFishy 7y ago
Met my husband on okcupid!
scallopkid 7y ago
I met my SO on OkCupid. It can be done, but you have to sort through a lot of guys you would have no interest in.
KittenLoves_ 7y ago
Unfortunately I don't. Not because I know people who have tried and failed, but because I don't know anyone besides myself who has used dating apps, other than one friend who tried it for a short time and decided she preferred meeting people in person. I suppose that's more a matter of personal preference.
asteadyheart 7y ago
I know three people who married a person they met on OkCupid. Including me. My sister and best friend are the other two.
It took me about 3 different tries (attempted over about 6 years) but it was worth it. Like they said, answer questions, be honest, and pay attention to the match rating.
All of us had matches over 90%. DH and I had a match of 98%. It means something! You just have to be willing to answer as many questions as possible and figure out what really is a deal breaker versus what is just a "nice to have."
Also, for my sister and best friend it also took several years for them to meet their future spouse. They went on and eventually took a break or two.
NotaNPC 7y ago
My guy and I weren't matched so high in the question match up, possibly low 80s or high 70s but he had 64/65 things on the list I made myself in who I wanted from a partner so I don't put too much weight in the questions. I just always see what questions we would differ on and then bring it up during vetting to see if it's true.
emanresuruoyesoohc 7y ago
Hello, My older brother and his girlfriend of over a year met on OK Cupid. They both were very exhausted from the dating scene and figured they’d give the apps one last go. I love her so much. I am in awe at the serendipity that they connected with each other because they are seriously cut from the same cloth. Same humor, hobbies, values in life, etc. They are both so happy!!!
loneliness-inc 7y ago
Noooooooooo!
Being a virgin is an unbelievable advantage for a LTR. Sure, it's a disadvantage for a short fling due to lack of experience, but it seems like a short fling isn't what you're after.
You don't need any sexual experience to enter a LTR. In fact, for marriage, it's best to marry the man who takes your virginity. What you do need is enthusiasm and receptivity in sex. You don't need sexual experience for either.
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loneliness-inc 7y ago
SMV is sexual market value. RMV is relationship market value. What's valuable to one isn't necessarily valuable to the other. (See my recent post on value, stickied)
If a woman had 10 sexual partners, she (supposedly) has (at least some degree of) experience with 10 different men, their bodies, their styles, their sexual likes and dislikes etc. If she had 100 sexual partners, she has 10 times the sexual experience as someone who had only 10 partners (not exactly, but let's keep it simple). Thus, a woman with a higher amount of sexual partners will likely be better in the sack.
However, more sexual partners also dilutes her ability to bond with her sexual partners. After a while, it's just meaningless sex and has no bonding effect (or very little). When a woman like that gets married, the bond she has with her new husband will be nothing special. It's just another dick, another body, same old same old. The likelihood of divorce skyrockets!
So having many sexual partners is great for your SMV but terrible for your RMV.
ANameOnFire 7y ago
Wait a sec, maybe I should clarify in my main post. I am NOT interested in a fling. I am interested in sex ONLY after several months AFTER commitment. I am not interested in doing anything for the sake of "gaining experience." I hope to marry the man who takes my virginity as well, and part of my general pickiness is because of that. I have simply realized that no LTR is gonna wait till marriage for me.
Sooo bottom line, I take it that the dating apps are still a bad idea, yes?
loneliness-inc 7y ago
This is simply not true. Sure, it may be true most of the time, but it isn't true all of the time. You only need one guy and you can make this a deal-breaker.
Additionally, the reason this idea keeps perpetuating itself is because women today refuse to set any standards. If women give away sex for free and refuse to wait for fear of losing the guy, guess what happens - it becomes the standard that sex happens right away!
If this is a value for you, make it a deal-breaker. If a guy won't wait, fine, move on to someone else.
Here are some caveats for this to work.
No sex before marriage/serious relationship has to be an absolute rule that you never broke and never will break. You being a virgin, you have that moral authority. Once you have casual sex once, you can't realistically make anyone wait.
You have to make your sexual attraction and desire known often. Doesn't need to be verbal, but it does need to be clear and often. He needs to know that you really crave sex with him even though you're waiting.
Not necessarily. Your odds aren't very high, but it can happen. You just need to be very clear and firm about your standards. You need to be upfront. You need to be ready to turn down a lot of very attractive men to stick to your standards. If you're ready for that, you can do it.
On the bright side - turning down so many people can make it easier to find the right one without endless dating.
ANameOnFire 7y ago
Interesting. These caveats feel like something that I always knew but never could articulate. I'm not sure what I'll end up deciding because I admit that I keep on swinging back and forth on the issue of waiting for marriage. I think that the best thing for me at this point is to wait for my compass to stop spinning so much so at least I'll not regret whatever I end up deciding. Perhaps the most important thing, like you said, is to be consistent. Thank you.
lespetiteschoses 7y ago
His view is quite extreme. Normal men don't expect virginity anymore.
Make sure your first time is with someone special who you would like a future with, and definitely wait until there is clear exclusivity, but there's no need to wait for marriage/engagement. Having a couple of sexual partners before you find your husband is just fine.
KiraN0va 7y ago
Virgins don’t get divorced!
lespetiteschoses 7y ago
virginsreligious people don't get divorcedtempintheeastbay 7y ago
Dating apps in general are skeezy, but I'd say the potential for finding a LTR varies depending on the area. If you keep your geographical radius tight enough to only match with other students at your own university (or the other university), your mileage may vary. I found that meeting grad students on dating apps felt a lot less sketchy and their expectations and goals were a lot more traditional, compared to meeting other young professionals in the city.
If you do want to use these apps, OKC > Bumble > Tinder for finding LTRs, IMO.
ANameOnFire 7y ago
Yes, actually one of the people I knew who found a really good guy was in a grad program for civil engineering so that def matches up with what you're saying.
And from you and what other people are saying, I'm starting to agree on the priority of dating sites.
est-la-lune 7y ago
You don't have to sleep with every man you date, and for that reason, I think dating apps are a great way to quickly gain experience without increasing your N-count. That being said, be careful! Always meet your dates in public, don't give your number out too quickly, and don't be afraid to block or un-match people you don't like.
Your chances of developing a LTR heavily depend on what app(s) you use, but they also depend on what you bring to a relationship, what kind of boundaries you set, and how good you are at vetting.
[deleted] 7y ago
IMO no. Most men will put up a front online to get into your pants. You can see who someone is in person better it may be harder but the rewards are higher. If your a 5 online you will attract less attractive and less ambitious men in droves high SMV will likely overlook you to chase after people in their cohort. If your a 5 in person your personality and feminity can shine and you can attract a higher value mate. Online you handicap yourself for convenience.
Rhynocobear 7y ago
I'm inclined to disagree. There's no guarantee the guy you meet isnt fronting either. All online dating does is help others find and connect with people, so for busy people it should be good.
ANameOnFire 7y ago
I feel comfortable in my ability to vet on that level I think.
Interesting, hadn't thought of that before.
[deleted] 7y ago
I've tried both in person and online (POF). I'm not particularly attractive but I'm not hideous. I have a masters and make well over 6 figures a year. My profile was genuine and not lazy. In a city of close to 2 million people 99% of the guys that opened me were ugly, unemployed, creepy or all of the above. I sent messages to well put toghether men and never got responses even after genuinely reading profiles and commenting on their interests. I gave up and tried in person and met the perfect man for me without being ignored when I opened him. You can see more in person then through text on a screen.
ANameOnFire 7y ago
What city do you live in?
[deleted] 7y ago
Philadelphia
ANameOnFire 7y ago
Nice! I grew up an hour and a half away from Philly. I go to school in Pittsburgh.
I think that part of the problem if we're in urban areas might be the geographic area. We are in close quarters with many people, and many people who are the urban poor often stay poor for a reason imo. Many websites seem to only filter out for geographic area.
I wonder if people who live in the suburbs tend to find more success.
[deleted] 7y ago
Yes but you'd think in a city with a good amount of successful men you'd have more valueable guys online interested in dating. Maybe it's because I'm Arabic I don't know I felt I had alot more to offer then my competition but nobody seemed to care online. I went to school in Pittsburgh as well (Duquesne) the benefit in that area is there are alot of conservative men in the metro area looking for wives. I met mine in philly.
ANameOnFire 7y ago
That was a sneaking suspicion of mine but I could never tell for sure. Maybe cause PGH has more rural outskirts which influences it conservatively?
Perhaps the well put together men are snatched up quickly? Anyway, good that you found yours! :) Now you don't have to worry about the endless search so much.
[deleted] 7y ago
No I don't worry for myself anymore but I do worry for younger ladies on here. I want them to be happy and in good relationships which is why I posted advice. Pgh does have alot of conservative rural areas but Pittsburgh itself is mainly younger liberal leaning men. Maybe try your search a little outside the city?
anna_alabama 7y ago
I met my boyfriend (soon to be fiancé) on Bumble!!! I also was a Virgin when I met him, and we didn’t have sex until after 10.5 months of being in a relationship.
There are definitely guys on Bumble/Tinder that just want to hook up but it is possible to find someone with the same views as you!! I was always very up front with guys that I matched with and it worked out perfectly!
(btw I’m 20, in college, in a sorority, attractive, and my boyfriend is 22, graduating college in May, in a fraternity, and going to Law School in the fall- so we’re a normal couple)
IHeartFemanons 7y ago
Just my 2 cents but one has to be a special kind of stupid to lose his virginity to a tinder hookup. I would stay with the original plan. Keep it for marriage. Heavily increases your SMV and more importantly - it will very positively increase your overall happiness (less sexual partners == happier marriage).
throwawayabay 7y ago
I'd filter some of the comments you're getting here.
First, waiting for marriage is worth it. Society (and media) will have you think there are no men out there who will wait for it, but there most definitely are .. you just need to know where to look and be able to weed out the bad ones.
WRT to online dating, I think the misnomer is that you find people online and know right off the bat whether you'd be compatible with them. The truth about online dating is that it is a means for you to connect with potential partners. That's it. It's a remote, electronic club.
You still need to vet and filter everyone who "comes up and talks to you" just as you would in a bar. I think online dating really works well when 1) you know what you're looking for, and 2) you know how to distinguish it when you see it. I agree that most people (men) out there will be trying to get in your pants, but that holds true for whether you are looking in clubs or online (and honestly, probably in church too). There's just a higher chance you'll find a like-minded person in church than in a club.
But you can filter search results with online dating apps based off religious beliefs, etc., and just straight up tell any possible matches that you are holding off on sex until marriage. If they jump ship early, you both were saved from wasted time.
I'll also second an app like OKC or Match over something like Tinder or Bumble (the latter two are geared much more towards hooking up, and don't allow you to really get a feel for someone's personality, goals, values, etc.).
Hope that helps.
BewareTheOldMan 7y ago
u/loneliness-inc is Spot-On, dead center accurate on points 1, 2 & 3.
My added advice and experience is that dating apps are mostly junk and full of people looking for sexual trysts and hookups that MIGHT lead to a possible relationship - and that's a big IF.
The other part to online dating is the sea of waste that is the general "leftovers" from recently divorced folks, womanizers, promiscuous women, and the like...
You almost need certification as a behavior specialist to determine someone who has genuine interest in relationships and marriage while sifting thorough online apps.
It's not impossible, bit highly improbable to find a suitable life-mate.
Don't overplay it, but virginity is so rare that it offers an advantage in the husband/father search.
You're in college - a lot of women miss this opportunity to find a solid match in college while studying alongside this vast pool of eligible men. There are certainly many who expect an immediate hookup, but there are also the rare few who will respect you as a person who seeks a serious life-partner.
[deleted] 7y ago
I find dating apps dreadful. Some nice men, but 99.99% incompatible. Sorry. I think I’d have better luck meeting someone on the subway.
ChicorNothing 7y ago
Every guy i've met off of Tinder just wanted a hookup. Please avoid it if you can!!
[deleted] 7y ago
Why are you on a hookup app looking for a relationship that's like me looking for a new husband at a male strip club
ChicorNothing 7y ago
Because some of my friends had met their SO's on Tinder. Plus if you go on here or Askwomen/Askmen a lot of people say they met their SO's on Tinder. I was naive and decided to give it a try to no avail.
[deleted] 7y ago
It's a hookup app thats like going to Best buy to get your hair done it doesn't work that way.