Hi everyone, I am trying to understand what the Red Pill consensus is on "playing hard to get" in the initial stages of dating.
I've read that women should be more "feminine" ( submissive, easygoing, friendly, accommodating, etc), rather than masculine: (sarcastic, "bitchy," loud, and domineering), but what about the initial dating stages?
My female brain is telling me that guys will get bored easily if I am too available (text back fast, can hang out when they want me to, etc), but is that just me projecting/female solipsism?
I would consider that a turn-off in men, because it implies that they have nothing else going on. Of course I don't want to be kept waiting days and days for a text-back or a date, but a few hours would be acceptable.
Additionally, men like the "chase" of the woman, so shouldn't there be some kind of struggle to "get" her? Wouldn't it be a turn-off if she's easily won?
Or is there a middle ground?
Thanks so much in advance for your help!
MadHatter921 5y ago
It's better to text back fast than play games. If you're available, respond. Don't think you have to set a timer to reply. Sometimes you will be busy and won't be able to respond right away. Just be honest.
JJ3314 5y ago
I don’t think most men can tell if a woman is playing hard to get vs. just blowing them off. In this promiscuous society of ours, I would just assume she’s your typical hypergamous thot, drunk on male attention via dating apps, and therefore is not taking my interest in her seriously. I’d bail at even the slightest indication that she’s not interested, but that wouldn’t mean her not responding to my texts instantly—it would mean her not responding at all. I always treated the early stages of a relationship as a ping-pong match. If I called a woman, and left a message, the ball was officially in her court—no return call, there’s no second call from me. I think all men should do the same.
FleetingWish 5y ago
Exactly. That's what is attractive to you, so you assume that's what would be attractive to them.
Why on earth would a man care about how busy you are? Or like you more if you had less time for him?
Let me put this in perspective so that you understand. Men spend their lives in a sea of disinterest, while women get hit on and checked out all the time. Men are starved for affection and attention, they work hard in their whole lives just so that they can become someone that women will notice.
They expect disinterest from women, it's the norm for them, and so they only pursue if they notice something other than that. But what they really want is someone who will be passionate about them, someone who will obsess about them.
Obviously the over obsessed girl is a thing, otherwise there wouldn't be a meme about it. But the vast majority of women tend to go too far in the other direction and tend to think that if they are too busy rock climbing, drinking shots, saving puppies, and closing deals to text them that they will be more attractive for having things going on in their lives.
No, they will assume you are disinterested or that you are too busy for them, and look for someone with less going on. It's even worse if you pretend to have things going on so that you contact them less. A woman who has a lot going on, but spends effort into the relationship with any spare moment she has is going to be vastly more attractive.
Men want to be the most important thing in your life, and obviously at the initial stages that won't happen right away, but that is their goal and they will gravitate towards women who have a window open for that to be a possibility.
coffee_walk_paint 5y ago
But what about men who claim they “need to chase”?
Whisper 5y ago
Nailed it.
Even very attractive men experience nothing like the overt attention and solicitation that women do. If you are an attractive woman, men will want to give you attention. If you are an attractive man, women will want you to give them attention.
Also, women use aloofness, confidence, attention from other women, etc... to measure a man's real value. Men don't need to do that. Your real value to them comes from qualities that they can measure for themselves in the space of a five minute conversation.
Feminine attractiveness consists of three things:
A woman who plays hard to get is as unattractive as a man who is fawning and solicitous.
papparella007 5y ago
I totally agree with this. It sums up us men pretty accurately ^. You're an EC for good reason lol
ManguZa 5y ago
So true, thx.
letgoor 5y ago
Perfect, just what I was looking for. Comments like yours are why I come to this subreddit for help. Thank you!
caneyfan 5y ago
“Let me put this in perspective so that you understand. Men spend their lives in a sea of disinterest, while women get hit on and checked out all the time. Men are starved for affection and attention, they work hard in their whole lives just so that they can become someone that women will notice.”
This is on point. I’d (M 40) never really given this any thought really, but yeah this is dead on. Men do assume there’s no interest as the default. Playing hard to get makes me wonder if she’s actually interested. If I’m wondering “is she actually interested” I assume she’s keeping her options open in case there is something better...which at that point I’d rather not waste the energy on someone who doesn’t know what they want. Playing hard to get is a game, and it bores the hell out of most men instantly. On to the next.
coffee_walk_paint 5y ago
Not high value men, though, right? They get hit on all the time.
_infinite_Thoughts 5y ago
Not only wasting the energy but more importantly wasting the time especially since none of us know how much time we have in this life
norahlady 5y ago
Just a few ideas here...
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Good: knowing your value and having high standards
Bad: pretending to be hard-to-get by acting disinterested
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Good: having an interesting, active life
Bad: flaking out on a date last-minute or without much explanation/apology or clear interest in setting another date
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Good: flirting with him, being attentive and receptive to him, being sweet with him
Bad: dominating the dynamic by making all the first moves or always being the one to ask him out
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Good: being forthcoming with your schedule and friendly in setting boundaries -- "Sorry, I can't go that night, I have a yoga class, but I'd really like to see you this week if we can do another day?"
Bad: dropping everything in your life to see him, showing you don't value your time or self-care
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Good: having friends and an active social life
Bad: texting other people when you're with him
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Good: being friendly and sweet in your texts to him. "Hey! I hope you're having a great day at work. can't wait to see you later tonight. xo"
Bad: being clingy with texting, expecting all-day text-a-thons, sending too many texts that necessitate a response, especially about things like who he was with last night or during times when he's probably busy. Use common sense. "Hey! How's work going?"...[no response] "Hey, did you see my text earlier?"
aftertheafter-party 5y ago
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Pie_021 5y ago
If a girl played "hard to get", I would lose interest. Just be real and cut the stupid games. It comes off as immature to me. Maybe I'm at a point where I feel if you can't directly communicate what you want in a relationship, you aren't ready. Having standards and taking it slow are fine, as long as things are progressing.
Pixie0310 5y ago
I don't know the official RPW consensus, or if there is one, but I can give my view! :)
I would say that "playing" hard to get is playing games, and in general, playing games is not a good thing. To "play" hard to get means that are you aren't, in fact, hard to get - when, really, as a high-value woman, we should have standards and requirements. It's better to genuinely be high-value, and there won't need to be any "playing."
Definitely be feminine over masculine, even in early dating. But also, be your own person. Be busy! Have a social life, go to the gym, have hobbies, spend time with family. Don't be overly available, and don't play games or lie. Try to fill up your life and have a full and enriching day, so that you actually have a real routine. Exercise, meditate, whatever it is. Even if it's taking time for yourself. It's healthy, and it shows that you have a life. Don't blow him off for no reason, be genuinely interesting and have interesting hobbies.
Men do like the chase, and should be able to do the pursuing. They are the active, out-going energy. This will set the stage for the future in a good way. Be receptive, but don't have an empty life. It might be a red flag that you would be too dependent or needy as a girlfriend, or that you can't make or keep friends. But if he senses you are blowing him off, or faking being busy - or worse, catches you in some kind of a lie - it's also bad. Hope that makes sense!
merel-- 5y ago
Have standards and have a life and people consider you "hard to get"
cocodecoca 5y ago
Here's a standard marketing tactic. We perceive things that are in short supply as being more valuable. I don't see any problem with texting back quickly but don't always be available to text. After you've done with the convo be like "ok it was great talking I'm going to go and have a bath now".
Don't hang out all the time and when you are on a date, pick a time to leave and stick to it. Leave him wanting more, don't wait for the conversation to be exhausted.
You don't need to play any games with this. If he's interested in you and you're being pleasant and receptive, it'll probably drive him wild.
_infinite_Thoughts 5y ago
Define 'chase'??