How do I tell my husband things like
"If you put that load on hot water, it will shrink."
"If you put that hot glass pan into the sink full of water, it might shatter."
"If you touch that without removing the fuse first, you will die."
Without "nagging"? I suppose - with the non-fatal stuff - the best thing is to let him do it, and find out for himself that it will ruin/break something, but we really can't afford to replace this stuff. (And I'm not talking "Oh replacing it would mean we can't have fast food one day this month" I mean we are on so tight of a budget right now that there is nowhere to skim to replace things right now and our emergency fund is depleted).
Obviously with housework, I can/should get them done before he has a chance - and usually I do, but every now and then on one of his days off he'll decide to help me, which makes it even worse that I'm nagging! And he wants to be a part of house repairs, which often takes a few days anyway as we wait for a part or etc.
In the end we get things done right and safely but he feels that I am nagging him or arguing. What is the redpill way to say things like this?
SidneyRush 11y ago
This is a serious question based on the examples you've given: is your husband special needs or has he been emotionaly scared? Maybe you need help from a care person who can help you manage an adult who is this much of a danger to himself. If the budget's tight, there may be charities that help with this sort of thing or you could meet with a social worker. I wouldn't let him near anything mechangical/electrical in the mean time.
EatsWithChopsticks 11y ago
Guy here. I love it when my woman does not nag me about minor things all the time, but I am also humble enough to admit I am not perfect, and that if my woman tells me something important that I didn't know, I will say "Thank you honey for caring about me", and if I already knew it I'll add "but don't worry, I already knew that."
If you're the expert in a certain area, then he should get your expert opinion just like he would get the opinion from a hired expert before he makes a decision. Not using your expertise for the best outcome is just irresponsible and not very humble.
Seems your man is a bit too proud for his own good. If it means coming late or getting lost because he won't ask for directions, then let him learn from his mistakes, but if his mistake would actually put his or your life in jeopardy, then you must tell him.
A marriage is much like a ship. The man is the captain and the woman is the first mate. The captain makes the decisions but he is also responsible for the wellbeing of the entire crew, so he better listen to the advice of his first mate lest he make a fatal mistake. No one is perfect.
MsCrazyPants70 11y ago
My boyfriend's clothes never shrink or bleed colors, so he never had to think about such things. When he was going to wash the first time, I asked if it was going to be a problem doing special things with my clothes. I explained that mine shrink so I never dry them. If he would have said 'no' then I would have just asked to remove my clothes from the laundry. As it was, he said sure and told me to write down what I want. I made it easy and just said to no bother drying any of my stuff. He gave me my stuff back wet, I hung it up to try, so no problems.
By asking if he's ok with doing it your way, you're giving him the option to accept or reject it. Only a jerk would then say, "No, I'm washing all the stuff in hot and drying it, and if your stuff shrinks too f'ing bad."
TempestTcup 11y ago
Warning about something dangerous isn't nagging. If you are constantly saying things about the way he is helping then that is nagging, but if it is important or potentially dangerous, then it should be fine. No one wants a hot glass pan exploding, but if he is folding a towel wrong, then how much does that really matter, and I would consider that nagging.
Tl;dr: Warning against damage or danger = fine; micromanaging your specific preferences = not fine.
Edited to ask how often your husband puts himself in harms way?
I think that a good rule of thumb is if you feel like you are talking to a 5yo then you are doing it wrong.
RedPillWannabe 11y ago
Not often but there have been a lot of emergency house repairs lately that we had to do so it has been coming up a lot lately. My family's business was house building and repair so I was raised watching electricians, repair men of all types etc. work and actually being talked through/taught these things, so that someday I could fix my house and stuff myself instead of paying someone else to do it.
But my husband seems to take offense at the fact that I know these things and he does not yet. Sometimes after talking to a friend or someone at the hardware store about the issue, he will later tell me the exact thing I told him; and it is obvious from the way he says it that he thinks I did not know, and that he learned it from someone else. I don't say "I told you that" in these situations. But obviously I am doing something wrong if other people are being informative while I am "nagging".
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enticingasthatmaybe 11y ago
Binge watching home improvement shows doesn't make you the resident expert on home repairs.
No... he won't. Grounding yourself to a live 120 volt circuit will shock you until the breaker / fuse blows. Other than eliciting colorful swears; it causes no real damage. A live 220 volt circuit will blast him away from it. So no, he won't die from not removing a fuse.
RedPillWannabe 11y ago
Actually that was about a 330 volt part of the central air unit not a house fuse. I was taught (by my electrician cousin) that you ran the risk of dieing if you didn't remove the fuse first. That your muscles will freeze the tightest they possibly can and you can't let go/be thrown back. Looking it up online everyone says the same, remove the fuse first.
True I am not a certified ac repairman but neither is my husband.
I don't watch tv.
enticingasthatmaybe 11y ago
your central air unit is 220/240 volts. Which is comprised of two 120 volt phases.
If you are in a position to grab the line due to muscle contracting - 120 volt will eventually kill you if you're providing a substantial enough path to ground.
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enticingasthatmaybe 11y ago
Yeah... Where are you electrical certs?
You know what's dangerous? Current.
220 voltage is comprised of two 120 volt sources that are 90 degrees out of phase. (source: Nikola Tesla) A contact point between these two will cause an energy release that will likely cause an external injury, but far from death. Grounding either pole will result in the same shock as a 120 volt circuit. You source physics like you have a clue how these circuits work.
120 is the most dangerous because a 120 volt circuit will not throw you away from it.
Retarded analogy. No one stated "not to kill the breaker". I refuted the definitive statement of "you will die". Which is fairly false with dwelling currents where 120v the highest single phase voltage. Now you move into the commercial environment where 277 volt single phase lighting is used, it gets a little hairier.
I hot work circuits all the time. While it's not the safest way to work, touching the 120 line isn't going to kill you when you're hanging a new bedroom ceiling fan. Keep in mind that the white "neutral" wire is connected to the earth ground in the electrical panel.
TempestTcup 11y ago
Right. Well, it takes a while to get things right. I would save it for things that cause harm and quit using it for mundane day to day stuff. If he's getting his hackles up it means you are harping on him too much.
RedPillWannabe 11y ago
I'm talking about things that are dangerous (could cause him major injury or death) or damaging (destroying/rendering unusable something we need but can not afford to replace). These are the only times I harp.
It is only recently that there has been a lot of chance for it to come up, since there have been a lot of repairs lately. On an AVERAGE day, it doesn't come up. But I need to know how to deal with those rare times it does come up. Like, it may only happen 5 times in a year - but if by some chance those 5 times all happen during the same week, his hackles will be up by the 3rd time. But since these are dangerous or damaging, all 5 times, I need to say it in a way he will listen.
Since a lot of things in the house were repaired/replaced at the same time years ago, and many of those have begun to fail, I am sure there will be more soon.
TempestTcup 11y ago
Then STFU and let him harm himself. If he doesn't want to be mollycoddled, then let him pay with pain. I'm smelling a troll here.
Edited to say that the way you are going on and on and on about this has my hackles up; I don't blame your husband one bit.
RedPillWannabe 11y ago
Except he is my husband, father of my children, breadwinner of the family. Letting him harm himself harms me and my children. Never mind the fact that I love him and don't want to see him hurt.
TempestTcup 11y ago
I think that you are underestimating his intelligence and that warning him about everything makes him feel like you think he's stupid and a child. Not warning him might hurt his body, but you are hurting him where it really matters.
ColdEiric 11y ago
I believe in your nose, on this matter.
What RPWomen decides to be with a man whose judgement is lacking? Why is she with him, if she won't decide to trust him? Or if she believes that he isn't going to listen to her judgement?
ayvyns 11y ago
I agree this seems fake. What kind of man gets pissy when being told something completely practical (assuming the tone isn't disrespectful)? This sounds more like a woman's way of thinking.
RedPillWife_June2014 11y ago
To be fair, not everyone swallows the red pill pre-marriage. Old habits are hard to break.
/u/RedPillWannabe needs to swallow the pill and try it the TRP way. The results (lack of angry husband) will speak for themselves.
IanIronwood 11y ago
Some perspective: If he stood over you while you were doing your laundry and lectured you that you weren't doing the delicates properly, that you needed to separate out the bras and items with catches and secure them in a zippered mesh bag to do them properly without fear of messing up the rest of your wash, would you find such a suggestion helpful . . . or annoying?
Your knowledge base matters far less in his mind than your ability and willingness to support him as he's trying to get things done. It sounds like criticism to him - and sometimes it is. Perhaps by prefacing your criticisms by saying "May I offer a suggestion?" first allows him the opportunity to accept or decline the suggestion. If he declines, shrug, walk away, and keep your finger on 911. If he listens, you can give him the benefit of your insight without stepping on his testicles.
Just a thought.
Ian
RedPillWannabe 11y ago
When I don't know how to do something and he stands over me and walks me through it, I find that helpful. I don't want to ruin anything we can't replace, and I don't want to injure myself and leave no one to watch the kids, cook dinner etc. while I recuperate. So I take his suggestions happily and if it's something he has more experience with I ask him to walk me through it.
Anyway I tried asking "May I offer a suggestion?" about something and he took my suggestion happily so that does seem to help :)
RedPillWife_June2014 11y ago
Is it even worth trying to put it as a question?
"Is the breaker supposed to be switched off?"
I'm guessing that's too potentially loaded.
little_red_ 11y ago
"Oh Hun! If you wash that load in hot water it will shrink! :D" vs "Ive told you before that you can't wash those clothes in hot water because they shrink but you keep doing it". There's a difference. Also, avoid "I told you so" even if its meant playfully.
StingrayVC 11y ago
You tell him just as you wrote in quotes, here. He might do it anyway and it might make things difficult for a while to go without that pan. But better to make do without that pan than to possibly damage your marriage.
Here's the thing. Did you nag in the past and that's why he sees it as nagging now? if this is the case, you can't really blame him for doing what he's going to do anyway. It would be worth it to sacrifice that pan, to let him know that you are trying hard to now just give him the information without nagging. When the pan breaks he won't do it again, and he will be more inclined to listen to your non-nagging advice again in the future.
RedPillWannabe 11y ago
It's not that I have nagged in the past, but he is of the attitude "It worked when I was single, so it'll work now." (Or with the house repairs, "I saw my grandpa do something similar to this when I was a kid") But back before he had a family, his clothes were all similar colors and care, he had no wool clothing, he only had metal pans and didn't cook much, and he had a lot more disposable income. So just throwing all the laundry in together and putting it on hot worked, when it was just his clothes. When something broke, he'd just replace it ; when something needed to be repaired, he'd just call a repair man/plumber/etc.
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I just want to figure figure stuff out on my own. It's about owning a project. My 3 old son constantly says 'I'll do all by my self'. If your worried about your husband get life insurance.
squishles 11y ago
The fuse thing is probably safe if he doesn't have a pace maker, the fuse will pop before it can do actual damage. And it's a trip to radio shack to keep him off the dishes and laundry. Self solving problem :P
but for serious
Sounds like he's bored; take a day off too, play catch up tomorrow. Let him enjoy that whole having a wife to play with thing. He's probably thinking he wants to do something with you.
Notice how the things he's doing wrong are pretty much trying to short cut your work to make it go faster; the only reason to do that would be to free up play time.
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squishles 11y ago
Was thinking appliances, low voltage not house current.
however
https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/construction/electrical_incidents/eleccurrent.html#note
The reason the chart is lined up like that is you start out at that ohm and it drops depending on conditions. He's fine if he's not drenched in sweat, and stuck gripping the wire and ground.
If she's super duper worried, she can just bring him a flashlight and flip the breaker. (Who still has fuses in their house, that's some really old construction.)
alcockell 11y ago
SOunds like our BS1381 mains standard is a damn sight safer....
through_a_ways 11y ago
Change your tone of voice, smile at him, touch him.
RedPillWannabe 11y ago
Maybe not while he's doing electrical work lol
Bakerofpie 11y ago
I understand wanting to warn him of something life threatening, but it frankly concerns me that you added ruining some laundry to that list. In situations like that the best policy is to just do it yourself. Separate your clothes, wash your own, and let him do his own. If he ruins his own clothing he'll probably figure it out pretty quickly. He's still helping by doing laundry, but request he doesn't do yours. If he is sensitive to you popping by to tell him he's doing something wrong, save it for situations where he could face truly life threatening injury.
Sounds like he's getting the info he needs from other sources and you're just mad that he doesn't want to get it from you. He feels emasculated by his wife telling him how to do "man work" around the house. He doesn't feel emasculated when asking someone at the hardware store. Let him get his advice somewhere else. At least he's asking for it. It isn't worth making him feel like crap.
RedPillWannabe 11y ago
That's not the point at all. In the moment, he does listen to the info I'm giving him. The thing is, he gets upset that I'm giving the info because I am "nagging." Obviously, if he can (sometimes) later have a conversation about something, and get the exact same info, then the problem lies not in the information but in the way I'm presenting it.
But not presenting it at all is not an option, because these are not things where he is stopping and asking someone else for advice first - He is sometimes talking about it after the fact. If I don't tell him something is dangerous before he gets the part out to take it to the hardware store and replace it, he'll never get to the hardware store to replace it.
EatsWithChopsticks 11y ago
Don't count on that. Some men, like me, are very clueless when it comes to these things. As a single guy, I did my laundry in like 90 celcius (almost boiling) for years, meanwhile unable to figure out why all my tshirts kept shrinking. :-)
Bakerofpie 11y ago
My husband must have magical, blessed by a priest clothing because he has ruined so many of my shirts and his all come out just fine every time! I found out that he finally decided sorting was important when he ruined some of my expensive lingerie. Haha.
(Side note: I work out of town every other week, so while I would like to do it all myself, sometimes he needs to do a load or two while I'm away.)
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WilIjR 11y ago
If it's something I can just fix myself afterwards (folding things, cleaning the sink post-shaving his face etc) I usually do it myself and don't bother saying anything. The thing I struggle with is when he puts the toilet paper or paper towels in the top shelf in the closet. I can't reach it, even with a stool. And I'm 5''8"! :/ I feel like I'm nagging when I have to ask him to get it for me so I can move it to a more easily accessible shelf. I usually just go with a "oh hon, let me do x! I gotta earn my keep somehow!" Or something like that. He laughs and I get to keep my whites looking white, and my pans unscathed.
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