EugeneRider
2mo ago The Hub
@EugeneRider This podcast does a good job explaining what you're working through right now, about trying to fix or punish women.
2mo ago The Hub
@Problematic_Browser I think Andrew Tate also said so,
“You can only be an actor for so long when your pretense completely collapses.”
Attractiveness, whether being physical or performance-based attractiveness,
I think… it’s just bad if it’s putting up an act.
I prefer honesty and vulnerability. But I’m sure many of you wouldn’t agree with that one too.
2mo ago The Hub
As to your experience of never being disrespected because you are "ugly" or "unattractive", congratulations - you don't have the lived experiences of the men that do. Your lack of empathy for those men is almost on par with the woman from the post. The fact that you cannot fathom a man being disrespected because he is unattractive simply because it hasn't happened to you is more living in a woman's frame than anything I have ever said here.
I can’t empathize with an experience I’ve never experienced before.
“The fact that you cannot fathom a man being disrespected because he is unattractive”
This idea still destroys your previous point being “Women don’t see you as a man,” as you said earlier, they don’t see you as a man, but no disrespect. But onto the next paragraph, you said, I can’t fathom a man being disrespected because he is unattractive.
Pick one.
Look, I’m not trying to pin you down or anything, or to say that your experience is unjustifiable. I think I’m a very empathetic person. I try my very best to understand another person’s viewpoint to empathize with them.
But apparently we do have irreconcilable world views. There is no way I can empathize or experience a life for a man grown up in a slum, and basically lived in an environment of shootings, murders and drugs. I don’t know how to empathize with that situation other than “Well, that’s fucked up.”
Is it bad? I admit. Is it fucked up? I admit. It sounds terrible in my opinions.
It sounds absolutely terrible but I don’t know if there’s anything I can do to help you.
My point still being,
Lose that frame of looks being everything. It’s important, but it’s not everything.
Red Pill itself talks about money, looks, status and game. Why all of y’all just constantly put yourself in a shitty situation where you have to punish yourselves for being “unattractive”?
You can get richer? You can have better social status? You can also learn better game?
Heck. You can even change your looks thanks for modern technology. You can do plastic surgery if you think you are not physically attractive enough. There ARE a lot of things you can actually do to improve.
Instead of soaking in this deep wet mud of “Unattractive = Death Penalty”, or “Women don’t owe you shit.”
Either way, I think these mentalities/beliefs are terribly toxic and a bad way of looking at life. I’m pretty sure your life is still worth living even you are unattractive. I’m also pretty sure women should stop being so god damn entitled and they need to lose that shitty attitude, it’s annoying.
To each of their own. No more words will be said.
Read More2mo ago The Hub
@Acela_nextel It’s pointless. No need to speak to them about this subject anymore.
People holding completely different frames/different world views aren’t supposed to lean in on each other.
You can’t ask Hamas to be just like Israel, and it’s physically impossible for them to be as well.
2mo ago The Hub
I personally think this is just a bad mentality. But most of you on TRP.RED would disagree with me.
There are things you can do. But if your only focus point of anxiety is being born naturally “unattractive”, there is nothing people can do.
I honestly don’t think life is easy for everyone. Everybody has their own demon to deal with.
But this mentality or belief I believe is truly what hinders most men from moving forward.
Black pill is garbage in my opinion. Looks is important, but it’s not everything.
Nothing more can I say.
2mo ago The Hub
Challenge accepted, albeit I don't have a need to reply to you since you just insulted me. Well, I can't change certain people's ideas, no matter how far-fetch I think they are. Take it or leave it though, I don't really care.
The sooner you understand this, the better your decision-making will be. If you move through the world thinking you are owed anything from women, you are only going to be disappointed because you have absolutely no mechanism to enforce this.
This debate doesn't work when all of your points are built upon this premise "You are not entitled to shit from women." It sets the frame of the debate.
Frame is about your internal set of rules, ethics, and principles that guide your actions.
Yeah, that's exactly what I comprehend as to what a frame is. In my book, frame is one's reality. Her reality is set by a bunch of rules, values, ethics, principles and personal history etc.
That's why I'm saying, by agreeing to what she says, is getting into her frame. It's a frame of control. You are submitting your power by agreeing to stupid rules. If such rule can be changed, the power dynamic completely tipped.
Entitlement comes from a position of power - your boss is entitled to demand progress reports, your coach is entitled to demand performance, and your wife is entitled to demand monogamy. What do these all have in common? There is a mechanism to enforce compliance when you fail to meet their expectations. What mechanism do you have to enforce compliance from women? You do not have one and so you have no power over them to make any demands.
I don't live my life based on fear. Not the way how my life functions. Technically, you can refuse to submit progress reports to your boss, and you start your own company. Your coach might punish you if you don't deliver the performance he expects you to. Your wife is going to divorce you if you don't keep to monogamy so she can suck you dry. This is fear.
I don't live my life with fear, period. Technically, you still have freedom to do what you want. But if the mentality is to be kept in fear, nothing can be done.
You do actually. You can literally utilize fear to control them. Even better, pain. No? I know you fucking know this. Why do raped women fall in love with their rapists? No one is forever holding power. Power is forever dynamic and fluid-like. There are way too many ways to break and topple powers.
Living your life under fear is miserable. That's just not how my life is constructed.
Funny, but they aren't entitled to those things. The fact that you think they are is demonstrating that it might be you that exists within their frame. Now, there is a huge conversation as to the fact that you will inevitably give something up if you want to be with a woman but that is a separate conversation and I do not want to change the topic.
(the topic of that particular post will be "You want to win, you pay more than losers do")
How are they not? If they are not entitled, why are you, me, and most people in the so-called "self-improvement" and TRP niche try so hard to obtain, Money, Looks, Status & Game?
If they aren't entitled to it, why are you showing them? What's more, why are you giving them? Also, aren't they demanding it? By your very own words, it comes from a position of power, so are you giving them, or not giving them? Isn't it a form of entitlement that they literally look for in a man? i.e. "I want a man that is 6-6-6."
Rejection is about the best feedback you can get when dealing with humans. When you are rejected from a football team, does the coach sit every reject aside and say "Well, let us go over this step by step so that you can get better"? No. When the hiring manager doesn't hire a candidate, do they call them into the office to review their resume or discuss where the interview went wrong? No. Both of them (at best) say "Fuck off, thanks for coming out." Sometimes you don't even get the courtesy of knowing you've been rejected.
Again, this is about power and mechanisms of enforcement. They have the power to reject you and you have no mechanism of enforcement to get them to give you any feedback as to why.
I don't see this as interviews ok. So far you writing here you still seem respectful. Anyway, women to me aren't interviews. I'm not interviewed by a woman. And if it fails, it means my interview failed.
Jesus Christ man, how sad it is that you have to see it as an interview? It's not an interview for me. They don't have the power to judge me if I don't let them. They can't know my personal information if I don't tell them.
I heard people online constantly said this "dating is like going to an interview." I don't know if this is the case for you, but it's NOT the case for me. Dating has never been interviews for me. If it is, there is something wrong and I know it and I'd just bail.
A woman sitting in front of me is not my interviewer. I didn't pay for the date, and pull out 2 hours in Saturday afternoon, just to get into a fucking interview with a woman that I believe can give me some good time. I didn't ask for this shit, you or her can fuck right off.
This fallacy is called a "weak analogy". You are comparing two things that are vastly different. The only thing that is similar in this analogy is the rejection aspect, but women and computers are so far removed from one another that the comparison doesn't work.
I don't know who needs to hear this today (aside from you), but women are not computers. Women are not "bitches", and women are not things to be acted upon. Women are people. People with their own goals, wants, desires, and agency. Start acting like it and maybe you won't run into as many problems.
OK, so your argument being, women are people, with just as much goals, wants, desires and agency like we are. Then WHY in the world, ARE they so bitchy about things? Aren't they people? Don't they have feelings? They are pretty much human beings right? They can't empathize? Why do they have to be so mean to an innocent question? Aren't they people? Why can't they act decent? Why can't they show respect? Is it due to lack of education or bad parenting?
You pointed out the fact that women are people just like we are, then completely destroyed your previous point that "They can be completely entitled." This tells me that women aren't really people. Apparently not human beings. Maybe shit-generators? I don't know, you tell me. If they are human beings, they can act decent. And apparently in reality, there ARE decent women. Some women are absolutely bitchy, some are not. Who knows what the fuck is going on. Fatherless childhood?
If you are going to quote me, use the whole fucking quote. I will ignore this cackhanded attempt to strawman me. Do it again and I will get outright disrespectful - I don't mind debate and I can even accept when I don't communicate an idea clearly, but this is a blatant attempt to misconstrue my words.
You are absolutely right... a shame that this isn't a response to what I actually said. I said that women aren't going to hold your hand while you take baby steps to finally being attractive to them.
It looks exactly the same to me. I'll at least quote all of your sentences to at least show some levels of respect. Your idea being, "Women aren't going to hold your hands to let you do baby steps in becoming a master."
But they are, somehow, sending out rejections though...? They are somehow, do look at you and want to see performance though? If women have no power, then they shouldn't be entitled. If women do have power, and demand performance, why can't they give feedback?
It doesn't make any fucking sense to me.
OK, let's look at it from your viewpoint. If, we don't seek this kind of feedback from women, be it proper or not proper. Because my whole point is decency and respect. That woman didn't show the man respect. And you fucking enforced it and said "They are like that, you shouldn't ask for it." It sounds honestly stupid to me.
OK, now you go on TRP and study some Red Pill shit and hopefully this will land you more dates. No?
So, every time something happens, you turn to TRP and learn terms in TRP, and have even more Red Pill stuff going on in your head. whereas you can literally just ask them why the fuck you didn't accept me and what was going on. I can't guarantee every woman will give a pointer, but at least they should have the decency and respect to do so.
Technically, if you don't get a job, there will be a prolonged email that thanks you for your efforts and asks you to stay tuned for future opportunities. There are always some value being offered at the end of a civil relationship, that's why this works.
We live in a civil society. Not a jungle. Civility and decency are expected. Bitch is a bitch. Bitchy women are not civilized.
I'm not gonna lie, TRP can be toxic sometimes. It's not the Bible. I think other guys in this thread have explained it quite enough---they just are incompetent and insecure with an extremely thick layer of ego. This is way easier to understand than a whole page of whatnots just trying to prove your point that "Women don't owe you shit."
You know what? I think they do. Especially if they fucking use my money my time and my resources to achieve their own personal gains.
Read More2mo ago The Hub
100% tune out of women's words is insanity to me. The more I communicate with women, the better I get with the whole man-woman dynamic thing. Yes, I do get salty from time to time. But tuning out of their words is stupid.
You're taking figurative advice with spergish literalness here.
An analogy: Suppose you only had access to 2 news sources, FOX news and Al Jazeera English. (Sounds like you're not American so sorry if this analogy hits weakly.) If you decided "They're BIASED so I'll just 100% tune them out!" then you'd go through life completely in the dark about both world news and the nature of news agencies.
BUT... if you accept that they are biased, and spend time listening how each reports on the same event, and watching how that event actually plays out over time (the reality of it,) then you get more and more adept at discerning their biases, and seeing through them to triangulate on a much higher confidence estimate of the actual reality of what they're reporting. You also pick up on the nuts and bolts of how propaganda and false narratives work, making you much more adept at seeing past the bullshit the first time through listening to new sources.
Same goes with women. Listen to what they say and make note of that, but watch what they actually DO and act according to THAT instead. Over time this will train your subconscious brain to be better and better at sussing out the relation to what they say and to what they'll end up actually doing, in real time. This will bring you better outcomes, because this is part of what makes you a man who "just gets it."
On the other side of their chimera of resistance and pushback, people actually respect individuals who can see through their bullshit and don't react emotionally to it.
Read More2mo ago The Hub
@polishknight Is there any MILF game book I can read or MILF game guide? I need that. Fuck, I'm into MILFs.
2mo ago The Hub
@Lionsmane8 Look, I'm not trying to change your ideas. I'm just talking about my experiences. Anyway, if you don't believe what I said is correct, you can completely discard my opinions.
I can't change everyone, but at least I try.