Fielding pissed off DMs (watch first) https://streamable.com/yizmmb
How age preferences work at different ages (audio a bit off, please lower volume, it's a bit too high!) https://streamable.com/t52v67
Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
- 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate tribe.
Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago Stickied
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And she says it with bird hands! Simply wonderful. My favorite matchmaker!
Humble request: My current means of editing on a Mac include using video screen capture for mic audio and then quicktime editing with sticky note covers. Can anyone advise as to (free) and intuitive video editing software that’s easier to accomplish this task? Apologies for some audio issues with the 2nd video.
Happy Friday!
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Love the bird hands! BOK BOK BOK BOK BOK!
Even these matchmakers are so frustrated with women they're at the point of grabbing them, shaking them, and shouting in their faces,
"WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU????"
Treadmill Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
So women in their mid 30's are not chaste virgins raised in a nunnery and only now released to the cruel dating market of the world. They have had an incredible amount of opportunities to meet men, fuck them, and build families if they so wanted. They had their fun, now it's time to settle down. Maybe that doesn't mean with a man who pays for their lifestyles, but rather slowing down their own lives and enjoying what they have instead of losing themselves over what they lost.
When even the matchmaker tells you to lower your expectations, maybe that is a sign not to spend your resources on this pursuit.
HitTheRoadJill 1w ago
When even the matchmaker has bird hands, maybe that’s a sign for the men to not spend their resources there either.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
They'd do good to understand that getting on the "screw around and be a hoe until 35" train takes them farther from Wife Station, not closer. And there are very few trains heading back in that direction to begin with and they stop running at all eventually.
Treadmill Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
If they just stopped at around age 24, they could have their cake and eat it too. Screwing around for half a decade, then spending a few years to settle down with a guy and have kids at 27 or so doesn't sound like a bad deal to me, assuming a family is what they ultimately want anyway. But if they wait till all youthful features have faded then obviously they are going to struggle.
Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Their youth and beauty also translates into that those are their best man catching years. They can command a premium price for a top tier man, and what do most of them do? They spend their best man catching years on partying, "travel," which is code for fucking outside your hometown, ONS, and being pumped and dumped.
Because most of them think that Millionaire, CEO, Astronaut Chad will be waiting for them at the finish line. Burn your youth (your best man catching years) partying and "finding yourself" then find a rich Chad to settle down and live the dream of a white picket fence. That is literally cake eating mentality.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I'm thinking about Christ's concept of damnation and hypocrites. He spent an inordinate amount of time on the hypocrites because their path to redemption was blocked by their narcissistic rationalization they hadn't done anything wrong. Like Tony Soprano undergoing years of therapy, they didn't want to "give up the life."
"You can't eat just one" -- Lay's Potato Chips.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
She: but, but FDS said 35 is the new 25. And thus my eggs will not rot.
Me: How's that working for you?
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Prior to social media that would have worked very well. Though now we're nearly two decades in to the social media era, and too many women have posted their own ratchet behavior and most smart men have started to presume "hoe until she proves otherwise".
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
"hoe until she proves otherwise".
Great point.
Everpax Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Thing is women seriously struggle with accountability, they simply can't bring themselves to admit they wasted their prime years hopping from one casual sex encounter to the next instead of locking down a life partner when their attractiveness was at its highest. That's why the knee-jerk reaction is to suggest men to not have age preferences anymore: it's a ridiculous take, but it's the only one that avoids that dreaded accountability.
No matter how many matchmakers tell them to lower their expectations, the current crop of women cannot be saved, it's rotten to the core. Maybe the next one realizes the pitfalls of their predecessors and has enough common sense to avoid them.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 5d ago
Everyone looks to the future and ignores the past. Men do it too..... they waste decades getting fat and unattractive telling themselves "it's what's inside that counts". Then they wake up one day and demand that women find old, sad, fat guys attractive.
TRP guys take accountability. Most don't. Most whine endlessly about how fickle women are while they expect to get hot slim young girls.
Not gonna happen.
The human brain is designed to run on scarcity, not unlimited choice. Limited resources, 150 people in the village, maybe explore the next village occasionally.
Give the human brain too much choice and it gorges itself. Women don't commit because they can always find hotter and richer or at least they think they can. Men do the same thing if they get abundance: a 25 year old guy who can get unlimited girls isn't going to settle down either.
People eat too much because icecream is now and icecream tastes good.
Modern technology without limits is fucking our species, and no-one is gonna learn.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
That's why the knee-jerk reaction is to suggest men to not have age preferences anymore
How strange men can't have preferences when women use height all the time and think nothing of it? And never question it.
Treadmill Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
The women in question are complaining that they are forced to pick between the scraps. I propose an alternate solution: They are strong and independent and don't need no man. Just walk away from the table in that case.
This is not asking to take accountability for their past, necessarily. Just to accept that they have control over their own lives from here on out, and that being a single woman in the modern world really does not have to be so bad.
Expecting men to change has not and will not help this matter. Every time this is done, the men end up less attractive to women, leaving them with fewer options. It is sanding off the rough edges only to be disappointed by the resulting smoothness.
Everpax Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
This was never used as a justification by women to stop dating men, it was always to push men to try harder. While your advice of simply walking away from dating is completely valid, it's the very thing women don't want to do, that's the whole reason why the matchmaker's advice is received poorly instead of with acceptance.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Sorry ladies, but as a bunch of rotting lemons, you are not worth the effort to squeeze anymore.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
My favorite part was that bit about "reassure the men that there are good women their own age".
Bitch, when I go to a steakhouse and the server "reassures" me that there are good vegan options available, I'm still having my goddamn steak.
That second video: Rollo has been saying similar for several years!
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Yup, it doesn't matter how great those women think their qualifications are if their certifications have permanently lapsed due to biology. Not even trying to lie on the resume will get you hired long term anymore. You can either do the job or you can't.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1w ago
Wait, you mean there are good women my own age?
Oh. OH! Ohhhhh.... oh, maaan... thanks for letting me know! I'll stop my irrational preference for young, nubile, attractive, feminine ladies with tight vaginas and smooth skin. I've been barking up the wrong tree for the last 30 years!
Boy, do I feel like a dummy. Give me the haggard, jaded 49 year old who offers her oh-so glorious opinions and has an adult kid whose student loans have started to add-up and needs a little cash to tide 'em over until Thanksgiving.
Hey, stop playing those really fun and entertaining X-Box games! There's a perfectly good bingo night in the church basement this weekend!
Put down that chocolate-mint ice cream! Why enjoy that when there's perfectly edible lukewarm tofu on the floor?
Ignore that summertime fireworks display with the free beer! Twiddling your thumbs while whistling quietly to yourself in a locked room is pretty awesome, too.
Why stare at a Rothko painting in a museum when you can ooh and ahh over the irregularly-shaped boulder of cement-aggregated pebbles which was heaved-up by a bulldozer in the demolition site on the edge of town? At only $45,000 per gander, it's a bargain.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
That ain't how these women see it.
As in last week's video, many don't have kids and instead just waited around for an "equal or better" man to approach her, pass her shit tests, and then commit to her to have kids on her demands (he does at least 1/2 as much housework as well). Oh, and if he doesn't earn a LOT more than her, she'll keep one foot the door.
These women think they're being reasonable or as the matchmaker says "reciprocating". She's willing to SETTLE for a man who earns ONLY at least as much as her, by 1 dollar. Just a dollar, what's so bad about that?
My brother was making slightly less than his wife when he first met her and she ribbed him about it at EVERY party "I make more than my husband, tee hee!" So he went to grad school and got promoted. Then she was willing to take his last name all of a sudden.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
If someone steps on it, does it become toefu?
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1w ago
It becomes toe-phooey.
Maybe I mentioned it before, but throughout my 30s, I'd habitually referred to it with the Chinese pronunciation: doufu because of the kanji. It irritated my wife, who prepares a lot of tofu-based dishes, and my habit was slow to change.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I like her, but she reveals she's a trad-feminist (entitlement queen/hypergamist) who regards relationships with men to be worthless unless the woman gets something out of the man:
First profile she features in the video: https://streamable.com/c84bxm
PoopBeast Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
She called him wanting a prenup "gatekeeping his wealth"? I'm sorry, but she's a bitch.
Its sad. Even the most reasonable of modern women suck ass.
HitTheRoadJill 1w ago
There’s nothing entitled about wanting reciprocation for the things you offer in a relationship. As a matchmaker, she is especially supposed to ensure both sides are satisfied.
The 36 year old software engineer was the only man mentioned. She didn’t say no woman at all should date him, only that his standards for a woman were too high for what he offered.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I should be clearer about what I mean by the above: He was offering his exceptional success to a woman who simply contributed financially to the relationship. He didn't insist, as most hypergamous career women do, that she earned at least as him or had a similar prestigious career.
The matchmaker said him wanting a prenup was gatekeeping his assets but women do this as well when they don't sleep with a man on the first date. He wasn't saying these these wouldn't be utilized in a marriage, just that he wanted them protected from a casual divorce, which modern women are notorious for initiating.
The matchmaker also has stated that she's a traditionalist Muslim who thinks men should provide for the woman but lives in a secular western society where women are not limited by religious mores so this gives her a unique point of view compared to ordinary western women who also share that sentiment but for different reasons.
I bring this up in context that here's a financially successful man without a strict age requirement who should be a good match for the thousands of leftover women this matchmaker is addressing in the above videos.
I propose, gently, that as a woman you likely share her bias that the man should be an uncompensated provider even in a modern era when feminists have utterly dismantled the ability for (most) men to do so.
Exodus 5-9: That same day Pharaoh gave this order to the slave drivers and overseers in charge of the people: You are no longer to supply the people with straw for making bricks; let them go and gather their own straw. But require them to make the same number of bricks as before; don’t reduce the quota. They are lazy; that is why they are crying out, ‘Let us go and sacrifice to our God.’ Make the work harder for the people so that they keep working and pay no attention to lies.
HitTheRoadJill 1w ago
I misheard “contribute to the household” as do all the housework.
IIRC, he wanted her to be attractive and well-rounded while he was overweight and below average looking. His wealth would have been his main selling point to this woman. Yet he expects her to share the bills and never specifies how he would utilize his wealth during the relationship at all. Rides in a sportscar or yacht? Dinners and drinks she can’t afford on her own?
The matchmaker might have accepted him if he either specified what he plans to offer or let go of the attractive and well-rounded standards.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I'm chuckling because your response is a classic example of solipsistic reasoning: "This is what I prefer to hear so we should accept that as justification for my position". I'm reminded of this line by Monty Python:
"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government"
Let's review what he offers/requests: Offers: "His wealth would have been his main selling point to this woman." Open age requirement.
Requests: She be "attractive". This can range from above average or even average.
She be interesting, ambitious, and so on. Note, this doesn't require successful. Ties into: "contributes".
"Contribute" doesn't mean do all the housework nor earn as much as him. He just doesn't want a woman who loafs around all day expecting him to be grateful to even be associated with her.
Regarding the pre-nup, I agree that's vague but the matchmaker didn't seem interested in asking him to elaborate and simply assumed the worst. It's conjecture on my part, of course, that I think she dismissed him because in her opinion, below average looking men are barely worth talking to unless they're rich and throwing money at women without conditions. Essentially sexual beggars.
[addendum:edit] Considering the matchmaker's attitude, and your own, many men would argue that the default for non-attractive successful men to avoid golddiggers just cheating on them or divorcing them. This reflects not upon him, but the current legal and social reality.
Finally, consider that the aging women we discuss here are by definition below average in terms of their marketability. Successful, "average" men can and do demand younger women. That's what this matchmaker struggled with in trying to match an attractive, successful 46 year old woman with men her own age. Because a 46 year old woman is the equivalent, to successful men, as a 5' tall otherwise good looking man is to pretty women.
HitTheRoadJill 1w ago
The older women she struggled to match were also attractive and successful? In that case, I stand corrected. She should have accepted him.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Hello @HitTheRoadJill,
As I recall, the woman who responded by DM only said they were frustrated and old.
This is a good opportunity to explain economics and marketing: Young women can reasonably demand special treatment from men not necessarily because their youth and fertility makes them more valuable than men (that's arguable) but it certainly is RARE (for women!). Their peak fertility, as marriageable adults, is only about 15 years. Not only that, this economic advantage for women is given to them at a time of our lives when we are most vulnerable (men and women both!): When we're inexperienced and impulsive.
May I suggest that the whole point of marriage, in the long term, is understanding that while this wealthy man is fat and below-average, he's not getting MORE fat and below average as time goes by (well, some of us do blah blah blah) however, even a VERY attractive, succe$$ful 46 year old woman is like a carton of eggs at the grocery store 2 days from the due date.
You'd want a less, er, transactional mindset with a long term goal in mind. A sort of... "marriage" between the "buyer" and "seller".
Here's a "Scenario That's Not Uncommon": https://www.forums.red/p/whereareallthegoodmen/325495/a_scenario_that_is_not_uncommon
FYI, I'm a fan of "The Manager's Special" at grocery stores in my region. The section is usually hidden in the back by the toilets or stockroom where the expiring goods are marked down at 50% off, sometimes 90%. I Christmas shop for cards and decorations 3 days AFTER Christmas. I try out expensive stuff at generic prices. It's WONDERFUL! My mother told me that I must be channeling my grandfather because that's exactly what he did back in the 1930's buying Christmas trees Christmas eve.
Sorry if this is a bit long, but I chuckle at how callous and cruel feminist society is towards men. "Men are cannon fodder! Fiddle dee dee!" but yet in the dating market, they discover that they BECOME like men as they age.
In closing, John McClane put it best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRiVMb_uD5g
HitTheRoadJill 1w ago
A matchmaker simply won’t have women who are attractive, successful in a profession, AND well-rounded. Those women are so rare and desirable that they don’t need that service.
They’re in power couples before 40, and still won’t call matchmakers if they get divorced or widowed.
No need to neg me. I already know women have a shorter window for the dating market, and make no demands on men to change their preferences.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I have a dear Russian woman friend who’s gorgeous and smart. She has a dangerous boyfriend now. I strive to educate my daughter. I pay get $40 per good book read. Money well spent. She’s 10 years old. Good night dziewczyna. Hope your week is good.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Fielding_pissed_off_dms1: long story short, men are consistent in what they want regardless of their own age - a fertile woman without a lot of built up baggage. Women just fail to offer that as they get older. And without that, there is no point to a relationship for many men.
Women of course are also consistent, but in a different way: they want a man that they regard as superior to themselves. But become increasingly unable to obtain such as they get older. Almost like there is a reason for that...
Almost like there is a prime window where both men and women can get what they want, but when one side piddlefarts around for a decade plus instead of using that window, it ruins everything for everyone.
Fielding_pissed_off_dms2: Oh man, she got tired of the bullshit from her fellow women in that second video. One can practically hear her think "Listen, bitch..." right as she made her reply to the complaints.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
"Maybe there are some truths that are not helpful" = "I don't want the truth, it puts a spoke in my hamster wheel which as has to work hard enough thank you. All my life I have learned that there is reality A -what ought to happen and there is reality B -what happens for an attractive woman. I want reality B back or I will wail (waling has always worked since I was a baby)"
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1w ago
Ugh, if you have the proper mentality about it, a truth which makes you feel horrible can nonetheless be helpful in the long run. There have been lots of truths that I didn't like to hear because they're, like, total bring-downs maaaan and harshed my mellow, maaaaan. But nonetheless, I still prefer truth to feel-good lies.
See, this is related to why female friends are so insidious with lousy advice: They won't tell their friends an "unhelpful" truth like "you're acting like a stupid jackass, stop it right now." Instead they'll rationalize and try to convince each other that the stupid jackass behavior is actually right-on, and the rest of the immature world needs to adjust to it, no matter the cost to everyone else.
JudgeSmales Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Male best friend: "Dude, where'd you get that shitty haircut? From a blind barber?"
Female best friend: "Girlfriend, that short hairdo looks so cute on you. It makes you look like Audrey Hepburn! Don't listen to those guys who are wondering why you cut off all that sexy, luxurious hair (that I no longer have to compete against, tee hee)."
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Reminds me of this SNL advice married men give to young men: https://youtu.be/vj2fqNKwFkE
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
"Nobody told me, screw him!" What a punchline.