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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2w ago Stickied
OP @Dorballom08 (and everyone else):
I'll leave this up, at least for now (more on that in a bit), because it truly is an excellent example of women's Dual Mating Strategy. It reminds me of Rollo's classic article Saving The Best.
however, for future reference (and why this post may end up removed in the future):
1) due to the Fair Use clause of Copyright Law, as per this announcement concerning the dot reds' content policy, screenshots of text are required to have the portions that make it relevant underlined, circled, or otherwise highlighted in some way. if the OOP (aka copyright holder) contacts us and requests we remove this post (as it's her post reproduced verbatim), we will have to honor that request.
2) this post doesn't actually meet rule 5 for weekday posts. WAATGM's rule 5 in its entirety (minus links to examples):
This woman already has commitment, and therefore doesn't fit what we normally want to showcase at WAATGM, which is inspins suffering the consequences of riding the Cock Carousel. It would have been great for weekend content.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 2w ago
I think I disagree with you here: her husband is withdrawing his commitment in a very real sense. Granted, he’s not pulling the ripcord (yet), but she has to know that he’s moving in that direction, even if HE hasn’t consciously made the connection yet.
She wants a level/type of commitment that he will never be able to provide now that he knows that he married “A whore who f-s like a prude.”
(“Saving the Best” is REALLY hard to read, but any man who’s looking down both barrels of some slag’s dual mating strategy should read it ten times in a row.)
I see divorce in their future either way. If she continues to deny him, his resentment will grow, and he’ll eventually leave her. If she gives in they’ll resent each other: she’ll be angry about the fact that she has to give Chad treatment to a man she doesn’t respect, and he’ll know that she’s just performing to keep the gravy train on the tracks.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
1) Really, he's withdrawn his attention and affection. His commitment is still intact, at least for now. I hope he's talking to an attorney, for his sake.
2) what exactly do you disagree with me on? That this post doesn't meet rule 5? Here is rule 5 in its entirety, minus links to examples:
She's not looking for commitment, so that alone means the post doesn't meet rule 5.
If they were getting divorced as of the time she posted her OP, it would meet "WAATGM-ITM" weekend flair, but I left it as "dual mating strategy" because again, it is an excellent demonstration of that behavior even if it doesn't meet the requirements for rule 5.
Absolutely agreed. I think it's one of Rollo's most essential posts for any man to read.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1w ago
My point is semantic rather than technical. She has his commitment (for now) in the sense that they are (currently) married. What she does not have (and never will) is his unreserved commitment. That loss in turn jeopardizes the marital commitment.
If Fiona started doing live shows in Tijuana with Donkey, would Shrek’s commitment remain the same?
Checkmate, Virgin!
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
I see divorce in their future either way. If she continues to deny him, his resentment will grow, and he’ll eventually leave her. If she gives in they’ll resent each other: she’ll be angry about the fact that she has to give Chad treatment to a man she doesn’t respect, and he’ll know that she’s just performing to keep the gravy train on the tracks.
You are 100% correct. The best thing for him to do is pull the rip cord and get away as fast as he can. Better now than later. The longer the wait, the more money it will cost to get rid of her.
Bozza 2w ago
re: 1
This would likely fall under US fair use - discussion, commentary, criticism, or reporting. Highly, highly unlikely a US court would find in favour of a screenshot.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2w ago
You didn't read the linked announcement, which was the result of several hours of discussion over several days among WAATGM mods, dot red admins (I wasn't one yet), and the dot reds' legal team.
...which is why we require the screenshot be modified in some way rather than just a straight reproduction.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1w ago
Attraction cannot be negotiated. Respect cannot be begged for.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1w ago
You know, if we were to try to explain it to a woman that doesn't understand why this woman's strategy doesn't work, I will try to explain it here.
Most modern women realise without even having it explained to them that they can punch above their weight in the market place of sexual exchange. Men 'downdate' for sex, so women can 'update' in the hook up market. the can get railed by men far above their station in the value chain.
In the LTR market, the 'equilibrium price' is much worse for women. They are more likely going to have to 'settle' for a guy that is pretty much their equal. A lot of women can get railed by Tryrone McMBA in the bathroom stall of a night club, but Tyrone ain't putting a ring on some skanky mid butter face.
So the modern strategy for modern women is to delay LTR's until about 30 something age, once they have been railed by men far above their worth. That is when they start 'dating with a purpose'. But the men that are so desperate that they will settle for a used up mid are not alpha. They are beta. And the panties are not damp for beta dudes.
With me so far? I think most women would agree with me so far.
The issue arises in the next phase. Women think that the beta guy should just put up with her, a woman that doesn't want to have duty sex with a man that she doesn't find attractive
And to honest, more and more men are realising that this is not what they want. They don't want a woman that has wasted her most fertile years on casual sex with chad, and then panic buys a beta husband for a life of shitty duty sex.
dudes have figured it out by the time they hit their 30s.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 2w ago
Congratulations for climbing out of the "dark period" shithole that you enjoyed very much but which is also in your current favor to downplay.
Now, you are a pure being of light who has no need for bodily fluids or filthy caresses of the flesh. Perhaps you can make do with a life of quiet meditation and your own morally-advanced thoughts.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2w ago
Yup, send her ass to a nunnery with a vow of poverty if she's too pure to sling ass at her husband as well as she did some randos.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2w ago
Here's the thing: While I can appreciate she may not want to do that stuff anymore, she should expect that doing stuff you don't necessarily want to do is what marriage is about. "For better or worse". Men are told to "man up" and do what's needed even if we aren't in the mood.
Let's imagine if a wife found out that her hubby had willingly taken all of his previous girlfriends out to expensive restaurants but she hadn't ever gotten that treatment.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 2w ago
"Here's the thing: While I can appreciate she may not want to do that stuff anymore"
With him. She doesn't want to do that stuff....WITH HIM.
because he is beta. She would do that stuff again, with the right dude. Just not him.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2w ago
I can see a scenario where she "tried" anal because a bunch of frat boys got her drunk and she didn't want to get uninvited to future parties. Perhaps she found she truly didn't like it.
That said, she STILL did it so therefore it's possible for her to get over the revulsion if she's motivated.
This reminds me of the nonsense where womanists rail against "duty sex" and how they still want to be "dated" while married. How do prostitutes earn a living?
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2w ago
And thus only giving the hubby duty sex, sparingly doled out in comparison, is basically a confession that she isn't motivated. That there needs to be a transaction for her to feel motivated. They never seem to realize that by teaching men that women view sex transactionally also teaches men that they could/should seek out better transactions. That if these women want to have the mentality and past of a whore while attaining the status of a wife, they they might want to consider being the most enthusiastic whore cum wife that their husband will ever meet if they want to keep his patronage.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
They never seem to realize that by teaching men that women view sex transactionally also teaches men that they could/should seek out better transactions
Well said. I want a better deal for the money.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2w ago
"I literally admitted to giving my husband worse treatment than some rando that didn't put a ring on it, and am now assigning blame to him for that"
Bet she's going to be shocked and appalled when the divorce papers hit too.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 2w ago
But she had sex with The Hot Rando, who has the divine right of kings. On multiple days, in multiple ways. That's understandable.
Her current schlub of a meal-ticket? Why, he's no Hot Rando!! Of course he doesn't deserve her best. His job is to put his nose to the grindstone!
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
His job is to put his nose and dick to the grindstone
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
She doesn’t see it that way. To her, sex in her marriage is a boring duty, and she does not understand that’s one of the main wants of a husband from his wife.
Or perhaps, it may be more correct to say she does not care to understand his wants.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2w ago
And she's finding out that he no longer cares to understand hers in return.
So many relationship/marriage issues women have could easily be avoided if they just weren't so obtusely insistent on being low functioning narcissist sociopaths.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
she does not care to understand his wants.
You are 100% correct on this.
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
Holy fuck this is a Black Pill moment for the husband.
If he wants to keep his marriage, he now has to accept that she’s a former slut, and doesn’t want to fuck him the way he wants. Even if she does do anal with him, he can never believe it’s her own organic desire.
If he decides to leave, she’s likely to get half his money, and he will have, at the end, felt like he wasted a prime decade (20s through early 30s) on a woman who does not, and likely never loved him the way he wanted.
If he was a romantic before, he never will be again.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 2w ago
there is not such thing as a 'former slut'.
There is no such thing as as 'former porn star'. That is just a porn star that is out of work.
No such thing as a former sex worker. Just an unemployed sex worker.
Everpax Jr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
Yeah, this man will never love a woman the same way again. He might get into new relationships, but they will always be calculated, optimized to maximize his benefit/cost.
And honestly, in this day and age, that's the healthiest approach to not get fleeced.
TJMS Jr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
Yeah, I've become pretty jaded in my older years. I've been burned enough, and seen enough other men get burned.
Women can be fun, but being a naive romantic just doesn't work in 2026.
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
Basically, she didn't tell him she was a dirty slut when she married him, only that she "did some drugs, but didn't inhale".
If I were him, I'd be like, "You know what, sweetheart? If you don't want to be MY dirty slut, then I'll go find a woman who will."
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 2w ago
She's rediscovered how pure and virginal she is. Everybody deserves a second chance, even if the meal-ticket doesn't want to give it! Of course, the meal-ticket deserves nothing more than what she wishes to grant.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
This is like another couple where the woman taped herself and 5 guys and another girl in an orgy in college. The Husband finds the tape and watches it. Their married sex life is seldom and boring. He tells her he watched the tape and asks why she didn't want to do the things with him that she did the college boys. She says, I thought you would have thought less of me. He then says, She is not attracted to him like those men in the tape. she says she is attracted to him. This just set off the BS meter, for if she were attracted to him, she would be doing those things with him. BTW the couple was married 7 years. He is nothing more than an appliance to her, with a penis. She wants to be married, but not a wife.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 2w ago
The piece was written by Rollo, and it titled “Saving the Best.” @Typo-MAGAshiv and I mentioned up upthread.
Edit: fixed
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
You mean Rollo! Rollins was the singer for Black Flag.
You also left the hyphen out of my username.
have some vcards!
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1w ago
Friggin’ autocorrect…
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 2w ago
She's not attracted to the meal ticket in those filthy, disgusting sexual ways. Her attraction today is as pure as snow.
Why, did you not see how much she LOATHES men's disgusting "third leg"? That planet-menacing log of degradation? EEEW!
Now he ought to pipe-down and input his credit card into her Amazon account. She has very important stuff to order.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 2w ago
This is the the dildo of consequences arriving, as usual, without lubrication.
She is just learning that a woman cannot outrun her past. They can run, but they can't hide.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
What can we learn from this sad tale?
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
She married him for a husband. Had she wanted a hot lover he need not have applied. He is her type as a husband, he is not her type as a Chad.
The worst thing is that most men in his position -no previous relationships- will just end up going back to her when their balls turn blue. Unless they manage to fall out badly enough from this, him serving a miserable life sentence is the likely result, though he did no wrong. She holds the only pussy he has ever been in. That is terrible power.
A slightly better option will be if they do fall out badly enough to split and he gets to watch her go and slut out for a string of hot guys during her gay divorcee phase.
Either way this guy will have more pain to come.
Men and women both need to be educated that a man's "Third leg" is the biggest contribution to his desire to remain in a relationship. It just is. Both parties need to see this as the norm ahead of coupling up. Your dick's need lets you tolerate a whole lot of shit you would never take otherwise. But men need to have limits and standards too or they get terribly used. Women need to know that they are buying into a man needing them for sex for life if they want a husband. Sure the law will let you refuse him but then you can't keep his good will. The law can't change how you feel.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2w ago
Women would also do good to be thankful that "Men are dogs", as that is one of the few reasons men tolerate them enough for women to have a comfortable first world existence.
Without sex and all the attached things on the table from that, most women would just be a smaller, weaker, and needier version of a man who does little else to justify their expense.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
Good points about motivation/desire @First-light @Overkill_Engine , although I think women need to be trained/educated in a lot of ways. A woman can learn to be thankful for their husbands, but this requires serious deprogramming - she is not the center of the world, nor the equal of a man, nor the head of the household.
Fortunately feminism is on its way out, precisely because women got what they wanted and are miserable about it.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2w ago
Problem is, that deprogramming of already adult and misbehaving women is like trying to build a house's structural support using rotten lumber and hoping it won't collapse. Never rely on a woman to improve. If she wasn't raised right to begin with, she's either willing to surpass that without one's input/effort before she finished becoming an adult and getting into a relationship, or is beyond salvaging anyways.
So once an adult woman demonstrates unsuitability, better to scrape the lot and start over using proper materials. Thankfully in their shortsighted quest to always be able to trade up for better dick, they inadvertently made it far easier to throw out trash than it used to be back when they were expected to keep to their marriage vows.
hhhhdmt 2w ago
This man needs to divorce her and leave. He is young enough to rebuild his finances but he can't wait a decade for this.
HE NEEDS TO LEAVE.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2w ago
Indeed. One cannot fix a clearly demonstrated lack of attraction like what she has (and the combined lack of willingness on her part to try to work on/around it). Divorce might be expensive in the short term, but it's worth every penny to remove long term benefits to her.
IceNineWithLime 2w ago
Looks like the husband's Quantum of Solace is dropping to zero, if it's not already there.