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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
The respondent is partly on the right track with these excerpts:
...but the rest is simultaneously manipulative shaming language against men and a coping strategy.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I chuckle at Kitten's wording particularly "accessory" as it ties into the Strong and Independent Woman paradigm: "She doesn't need no man!" hence she doesn't have express ANY gratitude or "effort" towards him to "protect and provide" for her. She "lives on her own!" Amazing!
She merely wants "equality" and doesn't treat men as an "accessory". What does that MEAN? Will she make approaches, risk rejection, and pay her way on dates? Of course not.
When confronted with these cognitive dissonance conflicts, they always immediately walk away or block responses. It's not due to naivety or being "lied to" by feminism: They'll defend this worldview and are not often saying they're willing to rather die than "settle".
Which is an interesting paradigm in itself.
I'll post later one who says she's planning to die alone as if that ought to inspire a white night rescue: "Oh, I better meet your demands or else you'll throw your life away!" It's like someone threatening self-harm if you try to leave them, except nobody even has an emotional connection with them yet.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1w ago
For the life of me, I could never figure out why women think this is a positive. Turn it around, do they want to be challenged by their husbands? Of course not. They want them to meekly say yes to anything they want, compliment them on every little thing. Ask a woman if she wants to be challenged when she asks her man if her jeans make her look fat.
All I can think of is it's post-hoc rationalization when a guy dumps her for being a bitch, and she thinks that's because he wasn't strong enough to accept a woman who "challenges" her.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2d ago
There's even a meme/joke out there for a number of years: The girlfriend test:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/nintchdbpict000405555894.jpg
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Post-hoc and as demonstrated, now pre-hoc too.
JudgeSmales Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Haven't met a woman yet who qualified as hilarious. I'd settle for amusing or slightly sardonic.
Heaviuh_Things 1w ago
Haven't met a woman yet who did not qualify herself as hilarious. They're all hilarious.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I should "patent" this observation:
When they say: "sassy", "sarcastic", "sardonic", "outspoken", "ambitious" (off the top of my head you can come up with others) they always mean...
bitch. They are proud of being a bitch but not proud enough of being a bitch to man-up and call themselves a bitch.
adam-l TRP Endorsed 1w ago
I have. She didn't do it on purpose, though.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
Details!
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
OK, I'll share my favorite blonde wife story:
My Ukrainian-born wife asked me "Why do you call it a turtleneck sweater?" I said that it was because turtles have long necks. She thought about it for a moment and replied: "That's ridiculous. Everyone knows turtles don't wear sweaters."
My 10 year old blonde daughter said the same thing. So I suppose she wasn't switched at the hospital...
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
My wife and I were the only white couple in a Korean shabu-shabu restaurant located a couple of miles from our house. Most of the Koreans were speaking Korean to each other. The food was amazing and quite reasonably priced.
She leaned over to me and said, "that's how you know the food is good: all the locals are eating there."
I stared at her a moment and said, "honey, we're the locals!"
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1w ago
That's funny. I habitually refer to shabu-shabu as 'Japanese huo guo'.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
Huh. I was always under the impression that the Japanese also called it shabu-shabu.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1w ago
It is a Japanese word, from the mid-20th century (in Osaka eateries, if I'm not mistaken). It was their version of the Chinese version (which was supposedly inner Mongolian in origin but that isn't something I'm certain of).
Anyway, Huoguo is Chinese, meaning 'hot pot', but I'm pretty sure that 'shabu' comes from the Japanese pronunciation of the kanji meaning 'dip dip', ('shuan shuan') in Chinese. Which is what you do to boil things in huoguo.
My brain has the unfortunate habit of defaulting to Chinese readings of Japanese words. It isn't helpful. I also say 'doufu' instead of 'tofu', which bugs the crap out of my wife.
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
If the world’s richest person were a woman, she’d still complain about how there are no men “on her level”
And proceed to die single, alone, and childless
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1w ago
What the second lady didn't realize is that people like the OP are doubly sucky partners. Their income, education, and assets make no material difference to the guy (the rich ones they're going after) compared to the housewife or cute barista. Meanwhile her attitude and entitlement will be that of a woman making a half a million. If your income is supposed to be a rounding error compared to your husband's, then yeah, all of your accomplishments are meaningless and he's better served finding a woman who at least understands that and won't demand to keep up the delusion that you're both equal.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
"partner" lol
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1w ago
I'll see you that and raise you, the definition of marriage: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/744571750934141711/
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
I've been that guy. It sucks! Glad I found Red Pill.
adam-l TRP Endorsed 1w ago
No you don't. You really want a superior man. That's why if you meet an "equal" you challenge him to exhaustion. So that he becomes the superior man that you really want.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
...and gets better women than OP or her respondent.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1w ago
The subtext of "we want equals" is the implied, unspoken "and I am fucking magnificent!" which justifies ever-grander visions of what they rightfully deserve.
If you believe yourself to be a 9 out of 10, then you deserve at least a 9.5. You shouldn't lower your standards even if you were a delusional 5 out of 10, of course.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1w ago
Exactly. Her "accomplishments", as she lists them are... that she has a job and a roof over her head. (Whether she's attractive and funny is something others need to attest to before I'll accept it).
I mean, this is basically every guy over the age of 30 who's not homeless. It's considered the absolute bare minimum standard of being an adult, and indeed, we make fun of guys who live in their parents' basement.
So her equal is pretty much any guy who's not homeless. But I have a feeling that's not what she's really looking for...
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1w ago
I remember, a few years back, some chick (grousing about how she was too smart & talented to be single) was, in her boosterish list of self-flattery, quite proud of how well she could 'build' IKEA furniture.
She said 'build', but she really meant 'assemble.' What with the single aluminum key to twist-in the bolts and the wordless cartoon diagrams (complete with a fat 'X' through incorrect steps) somewhat belying how much skill she needed to actually 'build' any of it
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Goes on to explain how high maintenance she is….
“They want more high maintenance women”
Hate to break it to you, but I don’t think you understand that terminology lady.
As an aside, I can count on one finger the number of women that I have ever met that are actually hilarious. To properly develop a sense of humor you typically need to have suffered quite a bit in life; which of course excludes almost all modern women.
Also, YOU don’t get to determine that you are hilarious, smart etc…. That’s for other people to judge; preferably those who aren’t trying to fuck you.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
I've been saying this for several years, but women rarely use words for what the words actually mean, but rather for the emotions the words evoke.
Positive examples: strong and independent, beautiful, smart, hilarious
Negative examples: incel, racist, misogynist
Heaviuh_Things 1w ago
In other words, for their connotation, rarely for their denotation. Even when they say "6 ft or taller", they don't quite mean it literally. They mean, "I want a guy who makes me feel smol and delicate and dainty". The onus is always on the emotions she wants to feel.
JudgeSmales Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
I also stumbled over that, but I'd already run out of energy to try to set her straight.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
I'm tired, boss
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Women often treat certain words like magic spells.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
True, just point out something they don't like and you can hear them cast "Incel!" like they are some sort of character from Hairy Pooter and the Chamber of Secretions.
PoopBeast Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Only an inherently retarded person would assume that men "only want an accessory" because they don't prioritize accomplishments in mate selection.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 1w ago
As always, it's projection. "Strong and independent" women like this have their lives all planned and sorted save for that glaring man-shaped hole in the corner, just waiting for the right male accessory to slot in and complete the picture.
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
I’ve got a man shaped accessory ready in my pants, available for use only after 10pm
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
So she admits she's ugly. I doubt she would settle for a guy who is equally as ugly as she is.
By the way, LOL@blocking out the cat's face.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
I didn't notice earlier because of my phone's small screen. That's fucking hilarious, @polishknight!
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Hey, I feel for the poor felines. I wouldn’t want to dox them either!
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I'm not having that little pussy get me banned because I posted her intimate selfie!!!
Again!
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1w ago
It must suck to be surrounded by so many subhuman booger-eating barbarians.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Cat pic got that much right, the rest is sheer cope instead of dealing with the implications of that realization. Of course a man isn't going to want to marry a shittier copy of himself. And that's what these women are offering.
These men already have a table, in a house they also had to buy to be considered a human being, much less a sexual being for these women. So an "I AM THE TABLE" attitude isn't going to fly.
Try offering men shit they want instead of shit they don't need. Try not expecting a man to be better than you in all ways quantifiable or not quantifiable while also expecting him to treat you as an equal. Men are going to want someone that can be a partner that offers things he lacks to make it a fair exchange for the things he is being required to bring. He is not going to want to come home to someone that he has to win petty dominance games with every single day just to get sex grudgingly doled out as a manipulation tactic/"reward". Men are not going to be interested in making an effort for someone that clearly just wants to be a roommate that they have to pay to keep around. Men are going to want to be desired as a person instead of as a status/resource/utility object or as a bullet point on your checklist of life achievements.
If the men you want can afford better, then they will do so. Literal whores offer a better deal than that. And are probably less obnoxious when it comes to the transactionalism too. Hell, dying alone after a lifetime of "Peter Panning" is a better deal than what a lot of these women are offering. What the OP and the commenter in the pic are offering is more akin to Sisyphean servitude in return for nothing but liabilities, and that's why they are single.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Press 1 to doubt
Correct
Yes, although it's not so much a matter of IQ or ability as being feminine. A woman who intelligently/capably stays in her lane is rare and special. Modern women try to be better than men at what men do, fail utterly, and declare victory.
Incorrect, although men who are in the honeymoon stage will put up with all kinds of emotional outbursts - maybe because they aren't generally used to manipulate him.
Absolutely. I am the undisputed ranking officer of my family, and this makes everything run smoothly. I do not have to deal with rebellion or resentment. I have a peaceful home because everyone knows their place and thrives in it. Women who do not have this kind of male leadership crave it.
You have no idea what you want. You want a man who makes more than you, is taller and stronger than you, is more educated than you, but also "equal" in every way.
Of course. Women were literally created to be helpers and companions of men. "A wife of noble character is her husband's crown."
She is not his equal; she devotes her life to making his better. A woman who does this will be praised and protected.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 5d ago
Almost. She wants a man who's objectively superior to her in every qualitative and quantifiable way but who treats her like his equal. Except when she doesn't want him to, naturally. And he's expected to automagically know which approach to take in any given situation.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
She is almost right. Men want a helpmate who appreciates them.
Intelligence and drive are actually attractive to men. Men don't want dumb weak kids. Men don't want stupid needy women to care for either. Men might have a side chick as an accessory who can be dumb but wife material is supposed to be smart, value herself be balanced, honest and capable.
Many of the characteristics that make a woman attractive to men also make her have the potential to succeed in the world of business and career but the point is lady men don't actually want a woman with that success. At best its a neutral to him in all aspects except you can pay your way more and won't be so able to divorce rape him. Most guys going into a relationship just don't think about the divorce rape and they don't worry that you can pay your way, they would pay it for you if you stayed at home and were content with what they had.
Being a boss babe is no value to men but its usually also a sign that there is less of you that is available for the relationship as more of you has gone into your career. Women you need men to be successful to get attracted to them. You may not like it but it means that you have to accept the cost of that success to the relationship -their availability, their having social responsibilities. Men don't care a dam if you are successful unless its in the kitchen the bedroom or the nursery. So the cost of your success is a negative to them. This means that men will settle for less attractive women -the dumb needy ones because they avoid the cost of your success.
Really if you are a capable young woman you need to ask yourself before you finish school "What game do I want to win at? Do I want to be mother to a large successful brood, loved by a devoted husband or a boss babe?" You can't have both. You shouldn't feel bad if a man tells you this, just as a man shouldn't feel bad if you tell him you are not attracted to him.
You can't help what you are attracted to. Liberals have been promoting homosexuality with this phrase for decades, now accept it when it comes to relationships. Capable is hot, needy is not but unavailable with other priorities till your fertility is almost spent cos you are bossing it in your career and then wanting one or two kids that both parents wake up to change and bottle feed in equal shares is a boner killer. Sorry ladies. Dick not interested.
JudgeSmales Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Well stated. Of course, "You can't have both" will make their brains short-circuit.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Here's another way someone put it on X recently: Men use success to empower them to be a good husband and support a family. Women use success so they don't NEED a husband and to be "independent" or the ABILITY to "die alone".
I blew that thinking out of the water for one proud boss babe when I told her: "That means you worked hard for what basement dwelling incel men got by default."
She screeched back at me "No! It's not! She's different!"
Powerful men can be bad as well, obviously: In the film "sleeping with the enemy", the feminist boogyman: A successful businessman who beats and controls his stay-at-home wife because he's obsessed with power. It's ironic that this monster is probably more attractive to women, at least initially, than a rich "nice guy" who submissively offers women whatever they want.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power" -- Robert G. Ingersoll
Heaviuh_Things 1w ago
It's different, man! Boss babe is going to die hugging all her cats, something that no basement incel could ever.
I'd add this: they may also use social power to put themselves in a position to match up with better mates (at least in their minds!). Many of them believe that being high-status and powerful drives the lower men away ("I intimidate men!"), which is not really true. Those dudes will always try to shoot their shot, much to her annoyance. Meanwhile, they may be in closer (physical) proximity to a rich Chad hanging out at some exclusive spot in town, but Chad is looking out for ass, not sass. And it does not matter whether Chad is 20, 45 or 70. This woman realizes this, deep down, but she's never going to paint herself as inadequate to the public. She's taking the opportunity to humble-brag and sell her "success story" whilst complaining about men for some pity points (notice the emojis).
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I figured out how to really yank their chain: I say they're no better than incels: They're losers who didn't "choose" to die alone, but merely accepted the default after they LOST at finding the man they want or were simply rejected. That puts them into a tizzy.
"You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Freewill" -- Rush
Heaviuh_Things 1w ago
They usually try to counter with an argument like "Ha! I can have any three guys over this evening if I wanted to!". But yes, just the mere calling them out, the word "loser" itself, seems to trigger them in an unusual way.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 5d ago
It works well because, as @Typo-MAGAshiv has noted previously, women generally use language based on its emotional resonance rather than its descriptive accuracy.
This is why they'll call a married father with whom they disagree an incel. It's obviously not an accurate descriptor but description isn't the point: the point is the emotion(s) it invokes.
As such, calling a woman a loser is playing her own game on her own level. It hits home in a way logical argument never will because it dispenses with logic and cuts straight to emotional attack.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
And the easy answer to that is: "But that isn't what you WANT so you're a LOSER! Losers don't get what they WANT, they have to SETTLE and dying alone is a form of SETTLING!"
Heaviuh_Things 1w ago
Bravo. Settling is another word they dread.
Heaviuh_Things 1w ago
So she is funny, has abs of steel, makes a shit ton of money, lives in a penthouse with a nice view. She's marketing herself as if she were a man. She spent the first half of her life turning into the man she wanted to marry...and now she is to spend the second half of her life turning into her old mother (minus a child and a husband).
These women don't want equals. They want the same, but more. Much more. They want a CEO who will treat the employee as the star of the company.
Men don't want accessories. They typically want complementary, which is different. Like people playing different positions in a winning team.
Challenge? Compete? Interesting...does she choose her friends that way? Do they pick the most abrasive, envious, competitive bitch out there to be their bestie? Of course not...so why should he?
Men avoid competitive, ambitious women because those type-A traits combine horribly with feminine hypergamy. If she wins, she's disgusted by you. If she loses, she resents you as a rival. If "equals", she starts suspecting he's her inferior (enter the endless shit tests). Meanwhile, a top man (or any man, really) is much more likely to share with, rather than "fight" with his woman.
Guess who's the better asset to whom?
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I'm chuckling because she doesn't "get it". First off, she treats men like an "accessory". The "strong and independent" paradigm means she doesn't regard men as a necessity meaning, by definition, he's an accessory and treated as such. She will treat him from the moment she meets him as disposable.
The men she desires, however, have learned that women, particularly such as herself, are utterly useless as anything other than an accessory. She can't be relied upon to provide him with ANYTHING he can't provide himself except for sex, and that is utterly transactional and priced dynamically.
Ironically, he wants from women what these women want from these men: EFFORT. Not huge amounts, but at least a genuine sign of affection and gratitude. Yes, that doesn't sound like much and it sure as heck isn't but even THAT is too much of "submission" for them to engage in.
Does anyone know the title of this movie? Because this scene is classic in how it explains it: https://x.com/i/status/2050571186082656399
That's the funny thing about Eff Dee Ess: These women are so utterly entitled they lose the ability to engage in emotional manipulation since they are so utterly self-absorbed. Emotional manipulation requires some degree of empathy which they utterly lack.
Heaviuh_Things 1w ago
It's easier to convince these boss babes to eat a man's ass than to utter "thank you" to a man. Bizarre.
By the way, about how old is the woman who posted this? Somewhere in her 30s, before her First Wall?
C'est vrai. Eff Dee Ess women only know one thing: men want sex...."at all costs", they would add. That's pretty much their angle: show up looking good (hopefully) and beat him down with words until he lets up. They are not students of male psychology as the best red pillers are of female psychology.
I've saved that clip but I don't recall ever watching that movie. The guy totally has a point. (Un)fortunately, the angry feminists will refuse to be like the young women and "rub a man's fragile ego".
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Yup, the difference between a sociopath and a high-functioning sociopath basically. These women so bad at social interactions that it's obvious how selfish they are and it drives men (the decent ones that would be motivated to engage in a relationship in good faith; DT Chad of course is going to pump and dump) away at first sniff.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
"In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him." -- Ender's Game
Psychopaths and Sociopaths master an art of both empathizing with someone but yet not "feeling" guilt or sharing the victim's pain. For psychopaths, it comes naturally like not feeling hurt when you hit a nail with a hammer but for sociopaths, it comes from a pathological redefinition of reality where the nail "deserves" it but they understand what the nail goes through.
What astonishes me is that the one thing they (were) good at: empathizing with men who wanted sex, which was via being "pretty", they're increasingly bad at. They think botox, lip fillers, and face piercings are "pretty". Single mother profiles with face piercings amuse me. You want a man to bail you out but you can't take out the face piercings? That's like a man going out on a date with the hottest girl he's ever seen but not bothering to brush his teeth or put on a fresh T-shirt.
In discussions with them, they at first engage thinking they have it all "figured out" but then when I carefully, and politely, explain to them why their whole reality is mistaken, I get blocked. Just happened today on X. Ok. You sure showed me!
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Joyce was beautiful. To give you an idea how good looks ran in her family, she had 2 older sisters. One became first runner up to Miss Texas and the other became a trophy wife to a millionaire banker. Joyce was the least attractive of the 3 and one of the most beautiful girls I had ever seen in my life. She had a Lion’s mane of golden blonde hair, beautiful face, blue eyes, perfect teeth and big breasts. She looked a lot like super model Kathy Ireland, only Joyce’s breasts were bigger.
One morning in the break room, she talked about dating. She said that the main problem with dating was that she could not find a man who could make a decision. I thought that was an odd statement, so I let her continue to talk. What came out of the conversation is that if any man asked her what she liked to do for fun or entertainment, she considered him to be weak and indecisive. Why? She didn’t know herself. She was thinking I don’t know what I want, so why are you asking me? So, who did she marry? A 6'2" police officer. A man who dominated her physically, who had a dominating and controlling job and a dominating and controlling personality. In every aspect of the relationship, she was in the subordinate position. And she was as happy for about a year or so until he wanted a new truck. Her car was worth more as a trade in than the old truck, so he traded in her car on the truck. She got to drive the old truck.
Things got worse when she got pregnant. She was losing her shape. He starts going to topless bars and charging the expenses on their credit cards i.e. hundreds of dollars a week. About 6 months after the birth of the child, she divorced him. Do I feel sorry for her? Not at all. She got what she wanted and got what she deserved. Did Joyce want a caring, loving, affectionate man concerned about her feelings? No! She wanted nothing to do with those types of men. She chose a physically imposing control freak who could care any less about her wants and feelings.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Thank you for that! I have screenshot it. Do I have your permission to post it elsewhere in the future to make this particularly point below?
When women are asked why they engage in shit-tests and want "dominant" men, they argue "I want someone I know who can protect me." Yet these same women, if one were to suggest they give up their equal workplace rights would say: "I don't want to be dependent upon a man like women abused in the old days!"
In addition to that, strong and independent women illustrate that merely having power doesn't make one virtuous and protective but often abusive, just like the feminist trope of patriarchal men.
I have a family friend who reminds me of "Joyce": She's a gorgeous Russian woman whose also hard working and successful. She married a good looking but dumb guy for a green card and bore 2 girls for him. She stayed with us for a week because she was angry he had taken the family money, she had earned, and blew a grand at a strip club.
I found that rather peculiar. This girl is HOT! Strippers, quite frankly, didn't get me turned on but rather the opposite: The majority were actually skanky and the few times I went on bachelor parties I had to wash my clothes and shower immediately to get their skaniness off of me. I couldn't "get" why men with options would blow money there.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
I don't know what screen shot you are referring to, but I have no issue with anyone using my words or photos I post. Go for it.
Heaviuh_Things 1w ago
It doesn't matter how hot and gorgeous and divine "Irina" is at that point. The husband wanted to have some control over his sexual satisfaction, I suppose. He was in a party mood, unlike her. Their bedroom is probably dead, or almost there. There must be a lot of contempt and dysfunctionality behind the scenes.
Or maybe his kink is skanky by the dozen. Who knows.