Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
- 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate tribe.
Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1mo ago
42f: "I still feel young and sexy"
I'm afraid I have bad news for you.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 1mo ago
I too am getting that "yeah, no thanks" feeling from this one.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
Absolute truth, just not in the way she thinks. Reality is saying "no thanks" to her. She's 20 years too old to be making much in the way of demands for a dancing monkey. She's just too stupid or arrogant to be able to read the memo she is getting in the form of men who feel no need to make an effort to crack open her dead egg filled tomb.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
First off: Happy Good Friday for those on the Orthodox Calendar! I have an Easter posting coming up for Sunday!
Public service message: If you enjoy the content, please consider posting this link to the Reddit version of WAATGM since I cannot. It drives more traffic to this site, such as myself, and that's how the content creation happens. Please do your part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlC5DEp2EOQ
@Typo-MAGAshiv Flairing as leftovers because it appears she's aged out of the category she "feels" she belongs in and expressing frustration about it. I also thought of "single woman tears". Weekend content since she's not expressing desire for commitment.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
From the flair description for "leftovers", it's when a woman is aging out and realizes she isn't receiving the attention she used to.
This one is just complaining about men in general. Reflaired to "complaining about jerks".
Still a decent weekend post!
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
Flair isn't worth quibbling, but... it appears (to me!) as if she's not going to get too many "hot guys" willing to give her the dating experience she "feels" she deserves so that's why I initially thought leftovers. Of course, perhaps she never WAS hot even in her youth hence why so many "jerks" over the years. Our logic and theirs are often incongruent. So I concur with your flair discretion.
"Jerks", as she sees them, are basically human men: "Boring" (not dark triad bad boys putting on a show), "cheap" (well, that's me!), or "weird" (have interests that she doesn't share, such as a walk in the park versus him spending $200 on overpriced steak). As the saying goes, if you're poor you're weird but if you're rich, you're "eccentric."
Looking back, as a man, boring, weird, and cheap dates were never a problem for me perhaps because as an adult, these are all ok and normal parts of life. I can be happy with a walk in the park and a $1 cup of coffee, experience mental stimulation from an abstract arthouse film, and find kindness and decency in "boring" people. However, she lacks the merit of ALL of these things herself. She's SO FASCINATING, isn't she? She has.a dog! And "plenty of interests" (whatever that means.).
She closes up with expressing an interest in hot guys giving her perfect dates but since she knows that's unlikely to happen despite "feeling" hot, she says "no thanks" because those grapes would be sour anyway.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
Where is this magical, mystical coffee shop that's actually somewhat reasonable?!
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
Although I use a coupon, the McD's app has a $1 cup of coffee available. Vending machines in high-trust regions may also have a $1 cup of coffee although it's been a while.
[edit] out of curiosity I ran this through AI: Best Places for $1 Coffee (as of 2025-2026):7-Eleven: $1 any size hot or iced coffee via the 7REWARDS app.McDonald's: Often features $1 any size iced or hot coffee in the app daily. Some locations also offer this deal locally before 11 a.m..Circle K: Known for cheap, sometimes $1, coffee refills or special offers.Love's Travel Stops: Frequently offers $1 coffee on Wednesdays through their app.Sheetz: Frequently offers free or very cheap coffee deals for rewards members.Scooter’s Coffee: Has offered $1 hot/iced coffee deals through their app
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
I refuse to use apps because I'm sick of being spied on.
But thanks!
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
The "nearly lost interest in all men" (except the hot ones, tee-hee!) is just the summation of what happens after a woman ages out.
So she pre-emptively rage-quits, but still holds out hope that some younger dude will slide into her DMs and give her some action. Its like that embarrassing "wine aunt" that gets really grabby after a glass or two, thinking she's still that 25 year old with a midriff-baring top and still hot.
I've seen more than my share of that, and the dudes that get massaged by their wrinkly talons have the look of utter shock before they run the fuck away, lol.
Age out grandma, you wasted your youth and now its time to pay that cumulative balance on the Old Hag Credit Card.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
"Age out grandma"
How far women have fallen just in my lifetime.
She's not even a single mother, or heck, a divorced mother. She's going to die childless after 2 decades of her admittedly mediocre dates with beta males, her "many interests" and dog.
When you said "grandma", I thought of my beloved grandmother who founded a church charity to help Slavic mothers and had a funeral procession a mile long. We all moved away from the region so when I visited for my high school reunion, I decided to try to find her grave but the church had limited records on the plot location and I spent a day with my wife and daughter checking grass overgrown markers trying to literally dig up her name to no avail. I intend to go back in another year or so and give it another try just to leave flowers there. My daughter is named after her.
"The wretch, concentred all in self, living, shall forfeit fair renown, and doubly dying, shall go down, to the vile dust from whence he sprung - unwept, unhonored, and unsung." -- Rita, Groundhog Day (citing Sir Walter Scott)
user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
I have to agree with @polishknight here.
She definitely not a grandma. Grandmas have had children. She is a childless "sexy" old lady.
That feeling is her getting old.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 1mo ago
FTFY
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
I respect your dedication to a family member like that.
My comment as flip as it was in the end was more of a salvo against the insane trends we've witnessed. I know you got that, just wanted to elaborate.
Heaviuh_Things 1mo ago
I suspect it's not merely the fact that she's getting older and therefore less physically attractive. She's "only" 42, after all.
She does mention the kind of dates that are putting her off men (boring / weird / cheap). It's likely that she used to be presented with exciting experiences in her younger years..."romance is dead" because the men no longer try hard enough. Never mind that she may be limited to the less fortunate looking guys at her age. In that case, her public has changed and she doesn't know how it happened (the female version of Krusty the Clown, almost).
All in all, it's that classic double whammy of getting wrinkly at the same time their jaded-ness (or "standards") grows. I can only foresee more dogs and more bitterness in her future.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
They always seem to substitute pets of some kind when they've ignored their mandate to have children.
Though to be fair, maybe this is natures way to weeding out the super-delusional ones from a gene pool perspective. I know some don't maintain that genes determine behavior, but I'm leaning towards genetic legacy being important.
Also our society is pretty skewed right now, and I wish the pendulum would swing back just a little before I shuffle this mortal coil.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Genetic legacy is important, but "nurture" is important too. So many fewer people in our "developed" nations are marrying and having kids, so the problem goes far beyond a few genetic "bad apples".
You can at least look forward to armies of fat Karens, each with her respective "best dog in the world" therapy animal in tow.
Heaviuh_Things 1mo ago
Interesting point. Do you think the super-delusional ones are also the ones most affected by personality disorders such as borderline (for which there is probably a genetic basis)?
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Probably a correlation hiding somewhere in the vast reams of genomic data that has been collected.
Perhaps AI tools could sniff that out, not sure.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
She sounds like a woman who has been free of needing men. She has not been dependent on any man. Quite possibly she has a good career. She has been able to see men as entertainment. I think she may well have been seeing men as entertainment not as people in her life, "her people" not a commodity that she can dip into if its interesting.
I find her frustration at "boring dates/ cheap dates/ weird dates" quite telling. She never looked past she was getting. Did she make the date boring sometimes? Could she have contributed to the cost if money spent mattered? We can all find people strange but did she pick "weird" men by sometimes looking for interest and money over compatibility?
She still comes back to "yeah no thanks" like its an offer of stuff, of things, not of a man in her life. It looks like she has no need or desire of that.
Heaviuh_Things 1mo ago
Need or no need, she clearly states that she used to date "regularly" and that she still "holds out" for the hot guys with money to burn. She's slowly being pushed out by the younger gals, and she resents not being courted by her "type" any longer. She's "experienced too much"....her mind is living in the past when it comes to romance. Clearly jaded and hard to please.
She never had to develop much in likeable traits, so now she's stuck with low-life men...but she's too proud (and unlikeable, and bored) to look the other way and try to attract the guys she wants. She could try to date women since she's so over men, but no, what she really wants the privilege of being treated like the ultimate object of desire (and women won't grant her that, since it's what most of them want as well).
A very common problem, but I don't feel sorry for her.
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
It's called menopause. She's not as hot, horny, and flexible as she used to be. Much easier to fling a 25-year-old hottie around like a rag doll on the mattress, as opposed to a 40+ year-old stiff wooden board complaining of a cramp in her leg and that you're pulling her hair.
What do you call a woman without a man? A wo (pronounced "wuh"). Well, at least she has her dog.
JudgeSmales Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
She seems to be complicating a very simple equation. She's 42 and never married. By itself, that will cause any potential suitor to say, "Hmmm." Assuming she's not hideous, if she has reached 42 without locking down a man, she must be a major headache to spend time with.
Heaviuh_Things 1mo ago
Even most strippers manage to create a baby daddy or two.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
And we should be concerned why? Now maybe you'll leave us alone.
Your conscience called, it wants to have a loooong talk.
I'm so happy for you, your friends, and your hobbies. Go do that stuff instead of bothering the internets, maybe? Oh, right, you can't stop seeing the ghosts of all the men you've slept with.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1mo ago
You can't fire me, I quit! Somehow, you're over dating precisely when dating is over you. Hot guys who have their shit moderately together, and are willing to take women on exciting, expensive dates, have 20-something hotties crawling over them. Why would they date you? But yeah, you're the one who's over dating...
Whenever I hang out with hot women in their twenties, it's eye opening to see what they get invited to. They will be invited to party on rich guys' yachts, or all expense paid weekends in Vegas or Europe, or literally get to live in some rich guys' malibu house for free in exchange for doing a few girlfriend-like stuff like cook a meal occasionally and bang him regularly. They get invited to party with celebrities in their pads in the Hollywood Hills, or hang out in the best clubs with free alcohol and meals.
That pretty much stops when you hit your thirties, and at best, you'll just get regular dates with normal guys. And by your forties, the tables have turned 180. Now you need to be the dancing monkey while the guy decides whether to continue dating you or not.
I'm not surprised she thinks these are boring / cheap / weird dates. Because they are, for her. At her age, guys (especially the ones she's still interested in) aren't entertaining or dating her. They're auditioning her. For a part as cum dumpster #5, or Wednesday fuck buddy, or possibly -- if she's lucky -- cuffing season [non-monogamous] GF. Of course they're not entertaining for her. Her needs are no longer important. Her ability to demand that her needs and wants come first has declined drastically.
If she's basically expressing the female version of MGTOW, that the juice is no longer worth the squeeze, then I could at least respect it. If she recognizes that her SMV has declined to the point where the dates she can get are not what she desires, so she's stopped dating. But that requires self awareness, and it's clear she lacks that, because she still blames the guys, not her inability or unwillingness to do what it takes to attract them. She says she's into hot guys. Yeah, and neckbeards living in their mom's basement are into Victoria Secret models. I guess both of you deserve a prize for having such a unique and quirky taste? I'm sure hot guys sleep better at night knowing that somewhere out there there's a 42 year old who wants them to take her on a trip to Paris and be her personal dancing monkey.
And as always, the onion has the last word on this type of attitude: https://theonion.com/48-year-old-man-actually-very-open-to-dating-25-year-ol-1819573281/
(Sorry for not posting an archive.is link but it didn't work for this link)
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
Thank you for posting this link! I'm going to make a WATGMA article about it:
I found this line in the Onion amusing: “While you might think I’d be embarrassed to be seen with someone young enough to be my daughter, at this point in my life, I’m comfortable enough with who I am not to care what people think about me.”
As men, we laugh about this but women don't because women from an early age are consumed by their status among other women and never grow out of the playground. I enjoy going to HS Reunions precisely because it brings me back to an era that I've moved past but for these women, they never really left. The men are more likely to have flown in to attend the reunion. My little sister will die within 10 miles of where she was born and raised like a 17th century peasant.
So many middle aged women really will give up sexual satisfaction from younger women because a woman in their "friend" group will laugh at her behind her back and she CANNOT handle that!
They never really commit to the idea of going all-in to a marriage with a decent (but non hot) man and even with a hot one, they hesitate to take the plunge. It's like base-jumping for them.
Another great line: “You know, I actually have quite a bit of money, and I wouldn’t be averse to spending some of it to keep her happy. Maybe I could take her on a luxurious vacation or pay for her to go shopping. Who knows? A 25-year-old woman might even find that enjoyable.”
Another difference between "strong and independent" career women and successful men: A successful man recognizes that pretty women cost money as well a having an awareness on a 1/10 scale but, again, women will judge them even more harshly if they get a "gigolo" than they would dating down in age. So all their success cannot be leveraged to procure a hot guy. Note this wasn't always the case, ironically, back when women weren't "allowed" to own property, women of wealth commonly grabbed men with looks. Watch the classic film Barry Lyndon.
Finally: "I’d also be willing to listen to music and attend concerts that would make a man of my age look completely out of place, if she wanted. I guess I’m just an easygoing guy in that way."
Again, even successful men understand that he needs to make an effort to get the things he wants rather than expecting that all the effort should come from highly desirable people he, er, desires.
I would like to tell young people that women were not always like this. They were usually raised to understand they had to earn a living like men, albeit in a different way, and that life was uncomfortable and you had to make your own happiness much of the time.
And with that closing line, the woman appears to finally “get” that, sort of. She has “plenty of hobbies and interests” after all. Or does she? For all this shaming of single men, men traditionally did find our own interests such as playing Dungeon and Dragons or going to CosPlay that women then infiltrated because they realized these men are having fun for its own sake. Heck, they even now want to play video games while crying about how “misogynistic” it is!
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 1mo ago
Conversely, I live in the same town in which I grew up and, with one exception, haven't seen or spoken to any of the people with whom I went to high school in over 20 years. The idea of attending a reunion seems absurd to me. As you said, it's an era I've moved past.
JudgeSmales Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
When the woman in the original post was 25, she did find that enjoyable. Now that she's 42 and she no longer qualifies for such treatment, "IT'S SO UNFAIR! Please, world, bend to my demands!"
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1mo ago
Wow, she must be a top-shelf woman. Her desirability must be off the charts.
Because if she's just a mediocre creature, she would sound pretty high on herself.