Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
- 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate tribe.
Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 4w ago
There are no cases where any sort of college degree makes any woman more desirable as a wife. In all cases, and in any way you look at it, it's detrimental to her. Sames goes for previous sexual experience.
Better to have a totally ignorant woman. When married at 21, my wife had a college degree but could not cook at all. She was totally ignorant of the duties of a wife in managing a home and being a good helper and companion of a husband. The complete irony is that she went to a "Bible College", but they taught her nothing about the most important things in life for a woman. Complete waste of money. The Nazis did far better at educating young women to be wives and mothers than a modern Bible school.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
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Listen, PLEASE post this and if you can, go through the backlog and post those too! Do it every 2 days if possible. It will drive traffic here!
This went viral on X. I saw her first, as far as I know, so I'm posting it. Her face is actually pleasant and a lot of distraction was made over calling her "mid" looking.
MentORPHEUS TRP Endorsed 1mo ago
I dated a woman once, who held a Ph.D. I thought I'd struck gold, as book knowledge is important to me. Long story short, it was a fucking disaster. For all her accomplishments, this woman was an emotional disaster ongoing. Impostor Syndrome, ego inflated but in weirdly twisted ways, petty MEAN spirit under layers of facade. Brittle and would ugly cry while trying to hold it inside. Was an intense Honeymoon Period for 3 months, then pretty abrupt break up around month 5.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1mo ago
Here's the thing about people getting a PhD in the humanities: From the perspective of the university administrators, PhD students in the humanities are cheap labor. That's it. They are the cheap workforce that the university depends upon for its humanities program. The tenured professors are, from the administrator's point of view, expensive pains in the ass and primadonnas and wastes of money-- even moreso if they're a rare superstar. So tenured positions are few & always shrinking. (A favorite admin tactic is to put tenured profs onto useless go-nowhere committees in order to absorb more of their time & energy.)
The humanities departments don't make a surplus from student tuition. Law schools and business schools and medical schools are the real cash-cows. Maybe some (not all) of the sci/engineering departments earn a surplus from getting grants and research funds. From a bean-counting perspective, the humanities are a loss-leader but you need to have them; You can't be considered a real university unless you offer courses like Italian or art history and maybe one of the university's old donors specifically set up a big fund for a department of philosophy, or whatever.
As a side-note: I spent some years in the grad program of a teachers' college for my 2nd masters; there were summer intensive courses which were taught to foreign students, who were paying full tuition. And the program worked as a feeder program for the undergraduate school, where the foreign students continued to pay full tuition. The summer program therefore covered the bills for that department, and I was cheap labor for that program. All part of the job! If I'd continued on that track, I'd probably have been hired into a position where'd I'd help recruit foreign students in places like China or Hong Kong, for they are lucrative high-margin students and the hope for every university's future growth against long-term demographic shift. I'd have become part of the administration apparatus for the study-abroad program. Not a terrible place to be, but I wanted to move back overseas again as soon as goldarned possible.
Anyway, a PhD students' dream is to one day get tenure (hah, best of luck!) and in the meantime, they are in the masters' degree program for their area and they're beavering away at their thesis. The tenured professors are there to advise the grad students, maybe there's a joint project they're working on (perhaps the tenured prof can get a fresh idea or two). While this is happening, the grad students are teaching the lower-level classes. And teaching them for cheap. That task is beneath the tenured professors, their job is to do research and publish stuff and mentor the grad students.
After the PhD is awarded, they are now overqualified to to be a lower-level adjunct, there are no tenure-track positions open, and they're pushed out the door. Here's your diploma, thanks for teaching on the cheap, maybe they're hiring at a community college off in Escanaba, Michigan, best of luck.
It sucks. There was a time when I considered getting a PhD in history, but it just wasn't worth it.
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Any time I’ve met someone whose PhD was their personality, it was fucking annoying. And every time that happened, it was a woman, and the degree was a useless one.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
PhDs are like vegans, the way you find out is they blast it out without anyone asking.
I can only imagine how insufferable they are, as I don't give them a single minute past when they utter those words. Usually coupled with other problems, of course, because they've elevated their ego so far they'll never get back down to earth.
NPC070201 1mo ago
When I was in bible college, way back in the early 2000s, one of my professors told us, 'one of the purposes of getting a PHD is so you can know, just how much you DON'T know, and that knowledge should implement some level of humility.'
Unfortunately, it seems to do the opposite with women.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1mo ago
Q: How do you know when you're talking to a woman with a PhD?
A: Don't worry, they'll let you know.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Even worse, there is a good chance it is a PhD in something with little to no worth, like Gender Studies cos that translate to a shitload of debt you cannot even bankrupt yourself out of, and that shit transfers to you if you make the mistake of entering into a relationshit with her.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1mo ago
The gender studies programs are convinced that they are extremely important. I had an interesting view of this last summer and it so brilliantly encapsulates, in all of its thuggish preening glory, how they justify themsleves. My brother is a professor in a STEM field at a rural college and was attending an online 'town hall' style meeting which was about the impending downsizing and reorganization of various departments. Various professors had their say about why their department was really useful; some had more valid arguments than others. I think one of the environmental science departments had done some kind of land or water use survey which the county was using, and that was something they referenced. My brother mentioned, offhandedly, the philosophy department had an AI ethics specialist who was being saved by getting reshuffled into the computer science department.
And then... there was the gender studies department head. They started by saying that their department "earned a surplus"... by which they probably meant they had more tuition-paying students than what the department costed. My brother grumbled "I don't think she's using the term correctly. Does that include their portion of the building upkeep??" After that, it was time for the gender studies prof mastery of rhetoric to shine... (I'm paraphrasing, obviously...)
"...I want all of you to imagine for a minute... just place yourselves aside from all of this... imagine... you are a young woman... and you're attending a party... and then YOU ARE BRUTALLY RAPED... and you go to the police and they say there's no evidence. You go to your friends and they blame you for what you were wearing... so where do you go?? The only place that will help you is the RAPE CRISIS CENTER, and WE provide the staff and created that service for the county!"
And that, rather beautifully, illustrated the crux of the whole thing: When the budget is threatened, just say the Rape Boogeyman is hiding around the corner. Without the rape crisis and the War Against Women, there'd be no anti-gender-violence nonprofits, and the graduates would be out of the job. Fortunately, no one was so rude or pro-rapist as to actually ask about the numbers of victims using the center each year or how the budget of that center factored into their 'surplus' calculation.
So that's why the Violence Against Women Acts were so important: they were a make-work program for gender studies people who would otherwise be unemployable.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
What's the purpose of The Rape Crisis Center if there's no evidence? I suppose to provide counseling to help them "get over it" but like you said, that would simply be something like a school nurse as compared to having a whole pre-med department or nursing department to support it. That's just two ladies needed for the payroll.
It's no secret date-rape happens a lot on college campuses but they aren't "BRUTAL" so much as due to women sadly passing out due to binge drinking due to the age 21 drinking laws in most states that result in secret drinking parties. It's a feminist tenet that women should engage in risky behavior such as wearing provocative clothing, drinking as hard as they can, and hanging around with "bad boys" and yet she should still be safe and NOBODY should tell her to "be careful" in ANY way. That's "blaming" them.
Essentially, these feminists deliberately put women up to taking risks precisely so bad things happen so they can then get a job "counseling" them after the fact. It precisely shows how feminists care (almost) as little for the well being of women as they do for the men they despise.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 1mo ago
Citation needed
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1mo ago
The townhall wasn't the place to adduce how much rape was going on-- presumably, they had some scary-looking and unverifiable statistics in the proposal when the program was created.
The feminist discourse around rape is a tangle of concept creep, emotional appeals, quasi-religious faith and multiple untruths. That last term was coined by the commentator Richard Rovere to describe McCarthyite allegations: making so many loosely related false or misleading statements at once that it was impossible to refute them all. The root of it is that nobody wants to be suspected of being sympathetic to rapists. So you just shut up and go along with the whole thing because it's the safest thing to do, both professionally and socially.
I might've told some story about the last university I worked at in the US, wherein an on-campus rape had been reported-- the oddness (and racially-charged aspect) of the accusation was something that made the accusation look suspect to me, but it wasn't wise to argue against the panic-- I got called an 'asshole' for refusing to gallantly escort my Strong Female Colleague to the parking lot at night. Some time later, the campus press later had to acknowledge that the accusation was false and it bent over backwards to proclaim how microscopically, vanishingly RARE such falsehoods are. And it wasn't really wise for me to go around saying "I told ya so" to those who'd yelled at me.
You're correct that the feminist way of doing things is akin to encouraging women to drive without seatbelts as fast as they want without headlights, only to blame the car manufacturer and highway department for any accidents which result and demanding money to be the one who nurses the injured drivers back to health. But driving fast and without seatbelts is fun, and we can't restrict women's maximized freedoms with no-fun self-responsibility (BOO!). So everybody else has gotta work as unpaid highway patrol and anyone who balks about it is a devil's consort who wants to stop women from driving at all.
Even if a certain trade-off might improve female safety by 10%, it's opposed if it would reduce their degree of license by 1%. It's probably the most ingenious construct against responsible behavior ever devised.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
I consider myself a connoisseur of analogies and metaphors, and that one was particularly delectable.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
I chuckle that the most lucrative easy money out there is for a personal injury attorney to hitch a wagon to an accident victim. They LOVE those cases and that's why you see so much advertisement for them on benches and billboards. Feminists are sort of like the personal injury attorneys lobbying against seat belts because they "restrict passenger rights".
I came of age back in the 80's when the "campus party culture" was hitting its apex. I remember some wild stuff that went down. For young men, it was quite a bounty for a brief period of time similar to Austin Powers in the 1960's. Now, young men should be advised to be ultra careful. That said, trad dating a bourgeois girl would be ideal for many men, but not the hookup culture of today. My niece married a guy she met in college and they were virgins on their wedding night. .
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1mo ago
In the 1990s, in my home city, there were these two personal injury attorneys who had TV commercials and billboards. One of them had a receding hairline and the other was close to bald. The top of their highway billboard said "INJURED?" in bright red letters on top and showed the 2 lawyers faces.
The morning radio show put up a joke billboard immediately next to it. It had the two hosts of the show, their faces positioned exactly the same way, with matching neckties, photoshopped to be bald and the top of the sign said "INJURED!" in the same red font.
The lawyers sent them a letter asking them to take it down and they read the letter on air. Their reaction to it was "What? But we're injured! We're feeling very hurt by this!" No legal action was taken, however. Honestly, it was a funny attention-getter.
A few years later, one of the two ambulance-chasers was disbarred for a bunch of years for illegally lending money to clients.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
Peak B&B was hilarious. "Cool! hehehe!" https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IaBdByezQRI
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
PHDs are like vegans... love it! Nice one
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Gotcha. Men not doing what she wants = men are not well. Woman logic.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1mo ago
Women only complain about "games" when they start to lose. Before then, games are good fun! Wheeee!
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
A fat doctor? Hopefully, not in the medical field, but wouldn't be surprised if she were.
Can only imagine what the heffer looks like that's holding the camera.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
I've seen this. She actually isn't fat, but it's just her winter clothing. She'd be attractive if she were still in her early twenties and without a mountain of student loan debt.
Edit - she's still physically attractive. As most of the other commenters point out, men have caught on to women's shenanigans, and avoid those who are married to their careers and have debt.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
So she's a newly minted doctor eh?
Yeah can't imagine why men would not want to commit to someone that has massive educational debts to pay off, or otherwise volunteer to be on the hook for her expectations given that she is in a situation where she either has no proper time and energy to spare for a relationship due to working to pay off her debt, or alternately, is not paying off her debt and foisting it upon the man while she poops out womb turds. Neither outcome is a good offer to men.
How do I know she has massive debt? Because women collectively are damn well aware debt is an issue and would bring up that they are debt-free if they didn't have any. Trickle truths and lies by omission are the minimum standard expectation when dealing with women, especially in dating (and her "friend" making the original post of course doesn't see the debt as an issue to bring up since she's not expected to be on the hook for it, boys should just open their wallets, tee-hee).
Women forget they are dealing with a generation of men that watched their fathers, uncles, and older brothers get absolutely fleeced using the same starting script and have no desire to star in that same play. Some even had it happen to their grandfathers. Literally generational trauma at work here, inflicted by the hands of women. But sure, ladies, go ahead and indulge in mealy-mouthed man-shaming on social media and out yourselves as both predatory and unreasonable, see where that gets you with men that have clued the fuck in.
She effectively has married her job and doesn't realize it. And that's before considering that a 30+ year old woman is fighting an uphill battle by default, especially when hunting for Chad tier men that can replace her with college age women who are younger and less in debt with a single swipe. And I doubt she is dating beach bums (anymore - debts got to get paid), like most women she is expecting to marry up economically, which in her case is probably a C-suite MBA or well established surgeon tier uber-Chad.
You'd think someone with a PhD could do a basic actuary analysis and realize that if a man could rent a steady stream of whores, maids, and possibly surrogates for less investment and risk than her personal asking price of her debts and lifestyle expectations, while still receiving the same or greater affection and loyalty - he will.
Or that instead he would hold out for a woman that at least has enough sociopolitical connections to make taking on her debt worth both the immediate asking price and imputed divorce costs. Otherwise, he's just going to pass and knock up one of his PA's as the child support by itself would still be cheaper.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
To add on: another reason I am almost certain she has a pile of debt is that the only kind of family that would have the money to burn on paying for a daughter's PhD that she clearly does not intend to make the intended usage of is an Old Money family that would have guided her into a semi arranged marriage well before now, thus obviating her dating woes.
Or an extremely bloopie nouveau riche family, but that level of bloopie has issues maintaining wealth for even one generation, much less managing to succeed at passing any on.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
So she took 12 years between leaving school and getting a doctorate? What is the state of her finances now?
Has she learned anything useful to a man or his children that would make her a better choice than a younger debt free (and probably less entitled) woman?
Been on lots of dates? Hmm that sounds attractive. Used to the point of ruin and inability to pair bond? Certainly its a risk.
Gets ghosted, well why? Is it that all those guys just found a great woman, invested all that effort and now its time to ghost her, just when the sex with a new woman should be great? Hmm something just sounds like it doesn't fit here. Are all the men very poorly chosen? Is the woman insufferable even when you are banging her and she is new, enthusiastic and keen? Can anyone think of any other reason than these two why men ghost her after investing a fair bit?
Yeah as the lady says. Single 30 year old women are probably not OK these days. Some will be but the odds are against it.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
Geezer perspective here wearing parachute pants:
Her debt, that @Overkill_Engine mentions, likely isn't a factor if she's getting ghosted BEFORE she sleeps with the men. Generally debt isn't going to be mentioned until there's talk of commitment. If these guys were dumping her after a few months because they couldn't "man up" and propose, I think the friend would have phrased it as such.
It says a LOT about a woman's either hyper hypergamy and/or insufferableness, like with the "6 months of hinge dating" woman last week, when she can't even get a guy to bed.
This begs the question: Is she a corporate nun?!?! Someone with a low overall sex drive, perhaps spent the last 10 years in the Career Convent NOT partying and/or riding frat cock and truly did well in medical school/internship and now wants to complete the dream with trad-dating a tall, educated guy who will pay the main bills in exchange for starfish missionary position sex?
She and her friend may be honestly confused because this APPEARS traditional, doesn't it? She didn't ho around, she studied and worked hard, and now she's engaging in basic hypergamy like she's supposed to! (Those) men should be turned on by this! Isn't she a catch compared to some bimbo Applebee's waitress? (I use that example PRECISELY because that's the narrative I'm reading on X threads Re: her).
If she got into a VW Bug time machine back to 1993, it would have worked back when The Patriarchy still had lots of male doctor graduates who also had been studying in college and not getting laid for her to have her pick of the litter. She would have been "a catch" back then.
She reminds me of D-Fens from Falling Down who was unsympathetically discarded as an anachronism. "I lost my job or more accurately, it lost me."
I have older friends and relatives back in the 1980's JUST LIKE HER who did well and are now retired.
"Welcome to the party, pal!" -- John McClane, Die Hard
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
Yeah it really depends on how honestly her friend is portraying her behavior and of course how honest she is being with her friend in turn.
I tend to assume any narrative given by a woman is heavily sanitized at best as I grew up in a rural conservative area where women's mouths said one thing but their legs said another when they thought no one was looking. It's like the joke about how to keep a Mormon from drinking all your beer - invite a second Mormon.
The safest assumption to make is that she is not a virgin and has not been utterly chaste when dating; otherwise there would have likely been a mention of that to damsel even harder for sympathy if nothing else.
I am presuming debt for the same reason the men dating her whether or not they are getting laid should be: if she is "newly minted" that means she has not had time to pay it off yet! So she does not even have to explicitly mention it for it to be assumed.
And the cost if I am wrong about that assumption is far less than if I didn't make that assumption.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
This scenario occurred to me as well: Perhaps she did sleep around prior to this but now she "wants to settle down" so she's going from being a fun girl for hot guys to wanting beta males to see "she's had her fun" and "wants to take it slow" but they're not having it.
Hence why "the games" and "ghosting" she complains about: Whether intuitively or via common knowledge Game, men know to escalate on dates. If a chick digs you, she won't get offended if you kino touch. You're even expected to. But she knows where this leads so she shuts it down.
So then these "immature men" "ghost" her after having pretending to enjoy the date. That's another tell:
When are "games" bad?
When men are winning them.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
Yup, ye olde "women's complaints are a confession" rearing its head again, as usual. When they complain about games, they have been playing games.
Corollary: Women who don't play games don't have a reason to complain about them.
Like trying to sell a high mileage car for well above blue book value without even allowing a test drive to make sure it can even make it off the lot. Good fuckin' luck, lol!
PoopBeast Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
It's silly how the same gender that uses "my money is my money, but his money is our money" logic will use money-making potential (career) as a reason that a woman should be desirable to every man she comes across.
I guess women's cylon programming prevents them from seeing these double standards.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
A woman's career is only a selling point if as a man, you are hoping to be a stay-at-home father or seeking a DINK (Double Income, No Kids) style relationship, otherwise the best financial thing she can offer is no debt.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
It's something I need to include in the post for WATGMA post next week on why career women hypergamy doesn't work:
Because most of their logic is just a silly rationalization. Here's a short list: (Note "Men" is womenspeak for "real" men: Hot looking and successful). 1) Men LOVE to pay for dates because it makes them feel like gentlemen. 2) Men LOVE to pursue women as a CHALLENGE! 3) Men LOVE strong women who make him feel more manly! The more shit tests, the better! 4) Men LOVE successful women but not if she's MORE successful than him! 5) Men want to protect women via his own disposability, like a superhero!
Now granted, there are men out there who do think like this for whatever reason (Rule 1) but this doesn't make the woman attracted to him. If a guy is short and low income, he can be all of the above things and she won't give him a second look.
By the same token, all this logic from her is meaningless when she's young and hot because she gets lots of attention regardless of what she believes.
This is why The Wall is so hard: Their entire worldview crashes down when they can no longer fuel it with beauty like a child actor discovering after they lose their sitcom that NOBODY really likes "them".
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
The reason some men have a complex aligning with 1-5 is that society programs it into them. The old set of rules: sacrifice and provide for a woman, and you shall receive sex and a family. Which is, questionable at best today.
And there is no logic or belief system in most of these women at all. One only needs to develop their belief system when they aren’t getting what they want. If this chick was enjoying getting P&Ded in her 20s, she is a full decade behind the gents in developing her model of the world.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
There's a contention in my family whether my mother has a gambling addiction. I got to thinking how gambling addicts get going in that they are given dopamine hits via the machines making the ding-ding noise but also, sometimes they get easy payouts early on.
I'm lousy at gambling addiction in that I went into a casino, dropped a buck or two in, and lost. So I left.
Perhaps when a machine gives that payout, if someone drops in 10 bucks or so, they do get a dopamine hit and keep going.
40 years ago, being beta did get results for men. Not great results but for many men, even humiliation ritual transactional sex was a huge payout for them. Ding ding ding!
Today, it's amusing how post-feminism has utterly stripped the old system of incentives for beta male behavior.
Hmmm, funny observation that a Ukrainian exchange student was saying he wanted to go to Vegas and I told him that it tragically was no longer a good value for most due to a "Vichi" private equity firm buying it out. When my wife and I got an Elvis wedding there 22 years ago, you could find great buffets, free shows AND DRINKS!, comps and coupons, and all kinds of goodies trying to lure you in. Now? You'll blow $100 on resort fees and parking before you even try to get fleeced for a $8 starbucks coffee on the floor.
He refused to believe me. I hope he didn't go.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
They really thought they could play keep-away with Fertility and Fidelity yet somehow retain access to Protection and Provisioning.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Women broke the social contract between men and women decades ago, for a few decades men went along with it cos it seemed like what an "evolved society" should do, but in the last decade or so, good men have realized just how screwed over they were as a result, and now men are abandoning their side of the contract.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
And modern men are finally realizing "Hey, I didn't do any of the shit that women historically are claiming to be victims of, I'm not obligated to pay the weregild for it".
Finally realizing that they can "come as they are" and if a woman doesn't like it, she is perfectly capable of opening the door and leaving herself. No need to bow and scrape and negotiate like a good little bloopie.
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
The slow death of the nice guy and beta bucks is precisely because they are not rewarded. If you want provider men, they need an actual realistic shot at a hot, 25 year old wife with no debt and tattoos, who is down to have kids (but not at 38 when she’s washed).
As I’ve gotten older (now 30), my ability to provide has gone up and up. But now, I can choose from 2 paths.
Path 1: traditional provider route, start a family. Problem is, this usually means I will be marrying a corporate woman who is older than me by a few years. I’ll still have to pay for the family, as most corporate women are HR and don’t make as much as me. And my hypothetical wife will never be grateful, and see me as a settle. Divorce ensues in a few years.
Path 2: I live the bachelor life, but with some actual cash and all the freedom. Now I can at least attempt to play the field, kind of like a 25 year old woman on the CC. And now I have no incentive to find a wife myself, just like that 25 year old CC rider. Why bother when I’m on the up, and the women who want to be married are washed up and shitty wives?
On the bright side @polishknight, I visited Reno recently and enjoyed it quite a bit! Caesars still owns most of the stuff downtown, but the price of everything is at least halved, relative to Vegas. And the people are more down to earth.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
If I was in your shoes, I'd consider a corporate nun/leftover PROVIDED she made more than me. Consider:
The primary way these women judge men is by height and whether he pays for a dinner date. You don't have to pay for a 1st date dinner, something "romantic" but cheap is ok, like an ice cream parlor or wine tasting. The point being that you've shown your "providership" with something that most working class men can afford.
As the saying goes: It's just as easy to fall in love (so to speak) with a high income career woman as it is a HR boss babe.
The worst that happens is you sleep with them, find out she earns less than you, and then you dump her for being too poor for you.
What's a high income career woman going to do after you knock her up? Divorce you? Situate yourself as the primary caregiver since she's busy attending meetings. Know the family doctors' names better than she does. Pay for housekeeping with the family (mostly hers) money and make sure YOU know the name of the housekeeper.
That's how I'd do it man.
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Thanks for the suggestion man. But I’ll pass on the corporate nun. I don’t want to raise a child with a woman who waits till her late 30s. That behavior demonstrates she does not want a family, she wants a postcard with a photo of a family. And that’s ignoring whether such a high earning woman wants me hahaha
I’d be on the hook for bills and shit tests. Better to just stay uncommitted, and enjoy the decline of the west. And fuck some sluts every now and then
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
I believe in being fair. Let's give the devil her due: There's a difference between wanting a family vs being lazy and not taking the initiative to have one.
I came at an age of a transformation of women who, in the 1980's, started saying they were not interested in marriage. That didn't mean they didn't expect to marry someday, but rather they were expecting men to pass yet another shit test to convince her of marrying him beyond marrying him personally, but marriage in general, via working extra hard to please her that living off of his money wasn't exploiting her.
This is different than the indifference many women traditionally were expressing towards men in the dating game of expecting the man to approach and propose. They would say to themselves, and other women, "I can't find a good man!" while sitting around waiting for the good man to approach her to "find" him.
The woman above certainly desires a family and is merely 30, but she doesn't want to do the actual work on herself in regards of the attitude to have one.
All that aside, what do you think of my point (and personal observation in my dating life) that if a guy can simply engage in basic game, fork over the money for some dinner dates, that the high income boss babe can be his?
Note that if she tries to engage in any kind of income fishing, one should treat that like a classy woman does when a date stares straight down her cleavage:
"So what level of education do you have? (sipping coffee.)"
"I suppose I have whatever level you think I should have to be worthwhile to talk to?"
"No seriously tell me your highest level of education."
"Would you think it's polite for a man to ask a woman her age or body count on the first date?"
"So why won't you tell me your highest level of education?"
"So why did you dodge the question I just asked right now?"
"I asked you first."
"Answer my question and I'll answer yours."
"You first."
"You'll answer my question if I answer yours?"
"You first."
"What assurance do I have you'll live up to your word?"
"You'll just have to trust me."
"Why should I trust someone who couldn't easily answer a basic question of propriety?"
"You're ashamed of your answer?"
"No less than you must be ashamed of yours."
If anything, it's probably power game to refuse to demur to a woman's demands to show dominance that would be likely to get her into the sack.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1mo ago
Oh, she's standing at a flower shop. How amazing she must be. How completely interesting. How stimulating and captivating.
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