Redditside version of post got nuked; guessing because face was not blacked out even though the sub name and poster names were. And even though she posted her own damn face on reddit. Admins are cunts like that.

I've already dropped more bills than the dinner to look good. I'm sure he, when he shows up with a 20 minute shower and dressing in wrinkle free casual clothes is low effort. But that's what society allows and accepts. Women are expected to look a certain way and we do.

First off, those that she claims are expecting women to look a certain way are mostly other women. That is, most of the preparation she does is largely unnecessary in terms of what men will be happy with. Sure, a woman can put on some makeup and make sure her hair does not look like she just rolled out of bed. But for men to be happy with a woman's appearance, it does not require nearly the money and effort she claims it does. A simple amount of effort for low cost would be fine.

Now what really matters to men is not in the makeup, it is the overall fitness of the woman. Is she at a healthy body weight? Does she have a proper diet to help keep not only her body in good health, but her face/skin (which becomes worse when makeup is used too much)? Does she avoid excessive drinking and drugs? These are things that cannot be addressed in front of any mirror other than the ones you see at the gym. Being in good physical shape will take you a lot farther than any number of skin products. That is, if you are trying to attract a man. If you are trying to engage in some petty competition with other women, I suppose you can buy a whole arsenal of products for your body, but the men will not care about this one bit. Stop getting mad at men for the things you do that men did not ask for.

Ol trouble making Karen. She’s bitter and knows she’s dying alone because of her stupid past decisions.

It's quite simple ladies: Man expected to pay = woman expected to give up sex.
Do you think that makes you a whore? Well it does, because you are.

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This is typical modern women behavior. She expects the man to do everything and pay for everything. She expects the man to gamble his resources with the possibility she will like or want him. No effort is required on her part. That is what men are for.

She: Boo Hoo Where are all the Simps? I want a man to put me on a pedestal, spend his money on me and pamper me, with the off chance I will like him. And if I don't like him, that is life. I just didn't feel a spark. (Notice: She feels no effort on her part is required, he has to do everything.)

44 and single, her game plan didn't work. I wonder why?

Many women fail to understand that every date is an exchange of value. She gives up something to go on the date. He gives up something to go on the date.

And as with any exchange of value, there's an opportunity cost.

I can't and won't speak for what women sacrifice, but I can speak from a man's perspective.

If I go on a date, I surrender my time and attention, both of which I could otherwise devote to other stuff (hobbies, napping, cooking, investing, vacations, personal development, hanging with friends, career, etc.).

That's a lot to give up.

Arguably, a woman might give up the same things (although, women tend not to have hobbies like men do).

So far, so good. Things are pretty even.

But now the man has to pay, too?

That makes things uneven.

She might argue she's worth it, but only her date can decide whether she's worth it to him.

She might argue that she wants him to show effort and commitment by paying. But he would reasonably want the same from her.

She might argue that it's only right because... chivalry or something. This ain't the 1940s. That boat has sailed, and you can thank feminism for that.

She might argue that she's an absolute catch. But many men would disagree given her age. If she were 21, tight as a drum, and immune from gravity, perhaps. Otherwise, probably not.

She argues that women have to spend a lot of time and money getting ready for a date. And then she jokingly threatens to show up "natural." She's inadvertently making the case that men have the advantage in the looks department, particularly as men and women age. This is another factor that both parties should consider when negotiating an exchange of value.

Ultimately, if she continues to approach dating in this manner, she risks pricing herself out of the market.

After that, it's boxed wine and cats.

Side note: Thanks to Typo-MAGAshiv for PMing the above post to me after it was temporarily lost.

Had to repost (minor edit). Part 1 of 2. Two themes going on, part 1 is Leftover with Meal Whore demands (Meal Whore might make a cool flair if it happens enough). Part 2 will be WAAGTM In the Making. Note on reading: Different colored markings indicate different commenters.

And then they wonder why men would rather just right swipe on an app for a booty call. Why go to any effort if it's not even going to be perceived, much less appreciated.

Just reading all that hamster spinning made me dizzy.

Wow, rare to see a blue heart in those

paraphrasing my comments from the other post:

women are expected to look pretty

Did not you say that women dress up not for men but for themselves?

Also,No, i think there is a misunderstanding here. I, speaking for myself, expect a woman to be pretty - not put on a mask to appear pretty. Just like you say that nice guys who expect intimacy, aren't really nice - i can say women who "drop bills to look pretty" are faking it.

I had this discussion with a woman in my BP days.

to get attention of highest quality man

Congrats. You got invited for the interview by faking a CV, but you are consistently failing the interviews. Asa career woman shouldn't this trigger your alarm bells?

men say they like natural woman

YES , speaking for myself , I like women who are naturally beautiful. Not make up beautiful. This is like saying women dont like a man rich in monopoly money.

And speaking of unnatural - i personally dont like when the face of a woman shows lot more specular reflection than living tissue would, or it lack the color tone that one would expect from living tissue.

Statements like this make me think radical ideas like women should not be given access to education. They eff it up.

it does not resonate that load should be shared

That, speaking for myself, is automatically a disqualification. Speaking of which, it does not resonate with me that an aging non-virgin is making demands, but here we are

if he pays, it shows effort.

I also used to want effort from the other side in my BP days, but I never got a good answer or even an half hearted attempt of what effort of a woman should be.

I have a good career he expects me to pay I dont want to pay

Then what good is your career? If you want other people to pay you for your qualification, get a Job? Dating is not a job.

paying for meals does not guarantee a second date but is more likely to

Uhh, I smoke- that is to say, I have some addiction - but I am not sure anyone will be that addicted to pay to hope for a second date. But then again a) I am not a gambling man in terms of intimacy and b) there are others who are gamblers

splitting means whole relationship will be like this

AAAAaaaaand? Aren't you women asking for shared housework and things like that?

if he wants to be equals

YES , be equal. And face equal rejection.

This entire text look like its written by Schrödinger's cat between alive and dead states.

I dont want to be bought

Sure, but you want to be lotteried. Just below the level of definition of being "bought".

That being said.

It appears to me, that people, especially women take "mUh rElAtIoNsHip" as a shortcut to compensate for their failures in the world.

We saw the other post where she wants to manage a millionaire's business. Yet she did not build it. so she wants a shortcut to the top with the carrot of sex.

Here, we see the woman wants to gain some emulation of professional success (even tho she claims she has her success elsewhere) in that a man should pay her because she has some sort of "career".

I guess some men who pay in the hope of a "second date" may also fall in that sort of a trap [ this is not a shaming attempt] that they can't play in the stock market and investing, so they think a woman might be a more sandboxed event. Other men might do it because it is pointless to fight a social norm where the reward may not be worth the effort. (There's that word again)

I will not continue the thread toward the direction of discussing men.

Mods, if this violates the no shaming rule, please give me a head's up - I will edit it away

Thank you.

If all guys demanded to go dutch, women would be demanding inexpensive coffee dates or a walk in the park. If all guys paid 100% women would be demanding 5-star luxury dinners.

My wife always shoots down expensive meals out, opting for cheap local stuff or meals at home. One thing the restauraunts in Bali do is charge cheap prices for Western food and triple prices for Indonesian food. My wife be like "What??? $3 for fried rice? I can get it around the corner for $1". So then she doesn't eat and then gets the cheaper food later.

So it makes me think this is just a modern Western woman phenomenon. The man is just a tool to be used and discarded. There is no future together so why bother advancing each other's financial positions?

Jeez...... these girls need to factor in the $0.10 I pay for shampoo literally every week.