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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
- 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate tribe.
Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
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No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I 100% agree with her here. There is no point in trying anymore. Men have checked out. You won ladies, congratulations. You don't need no man. You might want a man, but men don't want you. You're not worth it anymore. You wanted independence, you got it. And all the consequences that comes with it. No take-backsies.
Pic889 2y ago
If I may add, this is what equality is all about: Men have no obligation to be chilvarleous and "do the right thing for the woman", they are free to do what they think is best for themselves.
If a man thinks it's best for himself to date but never marry, so be it.
Pic889 2y ago
And if I may expand even further: You called lots of men "incels" and "losers" in your 20s when they wanted to date you and refused to give them even a minute of attention, you can't demand that those men spend time and money to romance and marry you now that you are in your 30s. Individualism goes both ways.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 2y ago
Quick answer: the juice is not worth the squeeze for many men who would qualify as "available."
A more elaborate answer is that many men are either invisible to women such as this (whether or not they would make or want to become husbands) and/or have given up on trying to date because they see it as a bad return on investment due to a number of reasons. Many of the good men who are husband-material are off the market because they are already married or in a relationship. The men who can "treat women badly" are men who have options, and are not willing to commit to women when they most likely are getting everything they want without having to front all the commitment.
Regarding this point of commitment, I would want to know if this woman has kept her number of sex partners low (0 is probably not likely with today's women, so low is now the standard). If the number is not low, then it begs the question: why would any man who is willing to go "courting" want to court you? Did you prepare yourself for marriage in all the years prior to asking this question? While I do not have confirmed answers with just this screenshot for this woman in particular, these questions can be asked to all women wondering why they are still unmarried. If a woman wants to be married, she needs to make it worth the man's effort. And if you are a woman in her 20s still on the market asking this question, then the answers to my questions will probably not reflect well on a woman such as this one.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 2y ago
Courting???
This isn't the 1950s, you're not a virgin and we're not wide eyed high school boys with brill cream in our hair, penny loafers and varsity jackets. So....we're not going to be borrowing our father's Chevrolet and picking you up at your parents house with a single red rose, and then drop you back from the dance at 9.30pm.
We don't do courting anymore, just as we don't polish our suit of armour at night, or practice archery in the grounds of the castle.
Why is that women insist on a world where we act like they aren't over 30 and haven't sucked a thousand cocks, and that we're just going to gloss over all of that and enter a make believe fantasy world where they get to sleep with dozens of guys and THEN we treat them like virgins from the 1950s AFTER they've been ran through??
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Men have been told by society that "they aren't shit", and "girl bosses" mean the "future is female".
So, enjoy - we have our lives to build, drama-free.
If women want to pretend they're men, they can do the 9 to 5 grind and support themselves with zero help from us.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
Here's what she's saying: "I'm a successful, modern woman who wants men to be old fashioned! What's the problem?"
I had this discussion 30 years ago with an inspin corporate nun I matched in a dating agency. She said "That's what women want" as if life revolves around men looking to please them since women "choose" men without fear of rejection. She didn't seem to get the memo that she was in a dating agency for a reason. These one sided demands work when she has tremendous SMV, at her peak youth and beauty, and in a society full of successful men.
The past 30 years, heck 50 years, have been determined to destroy "patriarchal" men as if it's solely designed to do so above all other purposes. Imagine if we didn't have to babysit oppressed women what could have been accomplished: Moon bases, asteroid mining, ending world hunger... All these women went to college and heard about Patriarchal Oppression and how "The Future is Female" and now, after having Buffalo Bill'd all the Buffalo, they wonder where the Buffalo are.
Not only that, but "courtship" as it remains is largely The 3 Date Rule for most men with pride. Men'll pay for dates, wine and dine them, and after 5 dates, maybe 6, if something isn't happening she's going to probably friendzone him anyway. That's "traditional courtship" for most, now.
What we have are women for, gee, 3 decades now, all coming to the same conclusion reaching their 30's as if nobody else figured it out before.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
You don't dump all your skill points into the "boss bitch" talent tree and then expect to unlock "housewife" class perks.
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
This was a great analogy.
Justanaverageguy 2y ago
Because when we try to do it the old fashioned way we get abused, taken advantage of, you lose attraction for decency because you’re so fucked up from years of chasing bad boys. Nice guys want pussy too and they know being nice to you ain’t the way to get it.
MovinCruisin 2y ago
Right. Let me court you and pay for dinner and gifts so you can turn away saying you're not in the mood when we both know you've been getting railed for a shot of Tequila on the regular when you were still young and pretty.
If I want to burn money I can just go to a hooker and get my part of the deal with no issues. Hell, I'd even save money doing so.
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
"Aint' that the goddamned truth." - That One Guy From That One Movie I Can't Remember
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
This is a fabulous question and one that is answered by another question:
What strategy gets men laid the most?
If courtship, chivalry, politeness, and decency got men laid, her problem would be non-existent. But, as we see, the price of a ticket to poundtown isn't related to the more noble attributes a man can have.
We have learned, through firsthand and shared experience, that all a man needs to do is hit a minimum physical attractiveness and financial threshold (no morals or ethics required!) and he's got carte blanche to do any nasty thing he wants to a majority of women.
To sum it up: fuckboys are made, not born.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
Yup and on top of that men learn that any woman complaining about getting nothing but fuckboys is literally the architect of her own doom. It is one of the best indicators that a woman has a past of using Stupid Slut strategy, which also means she has a future of resorting to it too, no matter what noises she makes with her mouth-pussy to the contrary.
So any intelligent, successful, man with an inkling of being anything other than a fuckboy, takes note of that and slots her in "for recreational use only". Because he knows she is going to renege on any contracts that require her to not be a Stupid Slut eventually.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 2y ago
is basically most women's sexual (or rather relationship) strategy in a nutshell
Also even if men want a relationship, and have even a modicum of TRP awareness, they know she has put out for less for other men before when she was less damaged and less experienced, and will not allow themselves to "court" her and wait on her past date 2 (or even date one depending on their game or track record of success with women).
Experienced MenChads with self-respect seek genuine desire before even considering whether she is relationship quality and will not "court" her because he doesn't need to nor wants tohornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I would definitely advise a son of mine to be gone if he ever learns that a girl he's with has had an FWB situation. Not only is he doing more for less, but we've already learned that she's a cheap woman. It doesn't matter if it's a Ferrari, you don't pay for it like it's new when it's been taken to track day every weekend for 3 years.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
This is precisely the reason women like this actively avoid good men. The good man will not tolerate Stupid Slut, in neither her behavior nor her past.
I have a hypothesis as to why women gravitate towards dirtbags... It's because they know that's what they deserve and that's all they can keep.
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
They can't keep a Chad. Chad keeps them.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
The sad part is they could keep non-dirtbag men if they simply acted better.
But, you know, that takes discipline and self control. Something that a generation of women that have been pandered to from birth are very likely to lack.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Yep.
If I wanted, I could wife up a woman and she would never have to work again - but it would come with responsibilities she'd have to bear.
I just amuse myself thinking what they'd do if they knew, as I'm out and about and have different conversations with chicks.
I'll only make this offer to non-whores, which in this society is pretty rare. I'm also fine with using those resources on myself, so I'm not sad, either way.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 2y ago
This ^ subconsciously. Also solipsism, wishful thinking, and the almighty tingles
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I went to see Billy Joel a few months back. Dude is on wife number 4. Second time he's married a woman that is significantly younger than him (hell, his second daughter is 6, he's 72). A man like Billy Joel gets unlimited trips to the batter's box, because he's Billy Joel. A legacy of failed marriages doesn't deter many women in jumping into another one.
Now, imagine if, instead of a legendary musician, Billy Joel was a regular Jewish dude from Brooklyn that worked as an accountant until he retired at 66, and now owns a modest but not amazing condo in Bed-Stuy. Think he's getting a 4th wife that's half his age with his marital track record?
If I was a worse human being, instead of the path that I took, I'd have hit up scores of 35+ year old single women, desperate for their last chance at a family, told them the right things in order to smash for awhile, and then bailed the second they started pushing for more, as a form of collective payback for how I was treated by women my own age until my mid-30's. But I'd rather have relationships with people instead of simply looking at someone and doing a cost-benefit analysis of my association with them.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
I read about BJ's relationships and Elizabeth Weber Small is particularly interesting. BJ loved her but she was red flag from the beginning. She was married to his bandmate and cheating when she went with Billy. BJ wrote at least two classic hits about his love for her: "You've got a way about you" and "Just the way you are". He tried to make the marriage work, but failed and even generously gave her financial gifts upon divorce including a 4 million dollar home. When he got sick and was in the hospital, she visited him and tried to get him to sign an agreement to hand over all his assets to her and that broke his lovespell. He had fallen in love with a user and realized it.
He was sincere in his second marriage to Christie Brinkley and wrote a classic song "Uptown girl". She claims Billy wasn't a "good communicator in person" but this seems to imply that Brinkley lacked feminine soft skills herself. She would go on to have failed marriages of her own. The two of them remain friends and hang out together.
He then went on to marry a hottie that didn't work out and now is having kids with yet another young woman. Yeah, he probably wouldn't have picked up hot tail as a 66 year old accountant. All that said, Billy seems like a genuinely good guy.
I don't think you'd be a worse human being if you smashed the bio-clock tickers in that if they pushed for commitment, demand not only a pre-nup but funds put into a third party trust and your interests protected absolutely and for you to be the head of the household. If they don't like that, they could hit the road but at least it would have been a fair offer.
Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
What you describe is a Beta Bux that really made it big but still believed in the fairy tale. Beta Bux with the emphasis on the Bux part. Women just saw him as a wallet while Billy Boy was and probably still believes in love. That is why he is rich because he writes and sings sappy love songs, and the only way to do that is to believe in what you are writhing and singing about. .
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 2y ago
Exactly this - BJ is the uber beta bux.
The mistake that he made was selecting for hotness, rather than selecting for character. I made a post a while ago cautioned against selecting for hotness, and was shouted down. What did BJ expect when he married Christine Brinkley? Hotties have absolutely horrible behaviour. When she married BJ, you better believe that she was seething with resentment at the amount of 'settling' she had to do. Because, in her mind, she deserved a 7 foot billionaire with abs and a 10 inch cock, and here she was settling for a 5'6 multi millionaire with only an average body and cock.
If you select for hotness, as a man, you get what you deserve.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I've always thought that men were the true romantics.
I'd like to see a society that doesn't penalize that, eventually. That won't fly today, you'll just get picked apart by vultures.
Well, a man can dream...
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
Men are romantics pretending to be pragmatists.
Women are pragmatists pretending to be romantics.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Best way to put it. It’s because men love with our brain. Women love with their emotion. Men choose to love, women have no control over their love.
It’s why pair bonding is so important. If a woman isn’t capable of bonding, eventually she’s not going to feel the same way as she did before. Marrying these women is a ticking time bomb, and your only hope would be that they’ve the self awareness to understand that hitting the market as an older woman isn’t likely to go well for them.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
1) Men "play games" because that's what works with easy women. You only complain about "the game" when you're losing. When you're winning, you promote it.
2) Women who rate themselves as successful, pretty, and nice are usually (D) none of the above.
3) You do not even get to rate yourself. That's solipsistic and prideful. No one cares about your own self-assessment. Your SMV is what the man you are able to secure commitment from determines it is.
4) Abused? OMG, in that case I'll take you right to the police so you can file a report. Most likely you were the one doing the abusing.
5) Don't worry about putting in effort. You're about to hit the wall, it won't matter much anyway.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Your second item reminds me of the classic projection flag -- any girl that told me she was a "good girl" was inevitably a complete slut, which depending on what I was doing, fit the bill.
Its just funny how they say this shit and think you won't see what they wear, how they act, and come to a completely opposite conclusion.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
FTFY.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 2y ago
Women should be told "don't hate the player, hate the game". Most of them need to know that
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
I'll add that "men "play games" because..." we need to. Whether on "easy" women or "hard" ones, men today who don't have a basic game usually don't get to first base. In the old days, back in 1958, my father didn't need much "game" but in today's environment, being RP'd is almost essential for daily survival. I suppose it's like playing a game where you decide to play by the other person's rules, that suits them, or by "the rules" where you figure out what you can get away with.
We have at least 2, even 3, generations of men who have been subjected to a social darwinian evolutionary scheme to engage in survival of the fittest that should cull out BP and chivalrous men.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 2y ago
I'm at a point where i only want women with genuine desire, even for lays.
I can play the game and play it well but it's always a headache. Women make it a headache. I prefer the ones playing the game the way I like to play the game.
The necessity for men playing games is sad but men only need to play the games they are willing to play. There are ways to bed the rules of the game if you play it right or you can choose to not play at all
nicknack 2y ago
Not to mention the sex is 100x better when she has real desire. She will deepthroat you for hours, including in your car in the middle of the day for fun. She will shake when you enter, she will always want it.
When you're the one who's winning her over, the intimacy is basically similar to sex with a paid prostitute.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 2y ago
This is a part of why "it's never worth the wait" if she made you wait you're not going to get that crazy desire sex, you're going to get "he was good enough" and "well i owe him so i don't lose him" sex
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Every woman who declares herself a "10" is oblivious to this.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
It's just basic economics, which goes over the head of most women. Something is only worth what someone else will pay for it. You may value that stamp collection you so diligently put together as a boy, but it's really sobering when you go to sell it. Turns out there isn't much of a market. Doesn't matter how many of your uncles thought it was "sooo cool" unless someone will fork over the cash you think you deserve.
DextroShade 2y ago
You know have women who are 300+ lbs rati g themselves 10's. Women's subjective ratings of themselves are completely detached from anything resembling reality.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I don't even let it bother me. Delusional thinking doesn't matter in the face of their very real outcomes.
They can call themselves "11 out of 10" but if they're getting "3 out of 10" dating opportunities, all they're doing is relegating their future selves to some man's harem.
Justanaverageguy 2y ago
Not even that. Average women think they are above average men.
nicknack 2y ago
Average woman opens tinder and within 24 hours has 2500 matches full of male models, finance executives, athletes.
Average man opens tinder and within 24 hours has literally 0 matches. Maybe 1 landwhale single mom of 3 that’s 15 years older than him, if he’s lucky.
In today’s online world, the average woman is well “above” (not really the right term) the average man in options. By an extreme amount. In the vast majority of human history when all you knew was the other people in your immediate area women didn’t have as many options because of lack of numbers.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 2y ago
Oh let's be fair now. An average man can get a whole lot of matches on Tinder (and in 24 hours too)! It's just that most of those matches will be bots/fake accounts that are on the app to pad the numbers. And then they try to reel you in to paying for extra features to "boost your profile." Which probably is not going to help for the same reasons that you were striking out when you first started.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 2y ago
One of the truisms of OLD: it only works for those who don't actually need it.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I’m convinced sites like tinder will give you a bunch of fake matches immediately. Then when numbers inevitably dwindle, you’ll be upsold on their paid stuff.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
Doesn't help that there is an incentive for even 3rd party bots to astroturf the app to try to skim a few suckers bucks into OF, etc.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Thanks to that video of Big Shirley trying to shame her rich Indian guy date for taking her to Cheesecake Factory, I hear nothing but her voice whenever I think of a woman saying that she wants to be "courted".
Yes, m'lady, please let me risk my time, my treasure, and my body in order to win the heart of a woman that has zero pair bonding ability. /s
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
One video I saw clipped from TikTok was some woman berating her guy, on a second date no less, that he wouldn't take her shopping at Louis Vuitton.
Like he's gonna drop $1,700 (for a fucking handbag, lol), or more on some stupid bitch for the second date - to his credit, he walked.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
The optimal choice. It’s amazing how women don’t seem to understand what a choosing beggar is. They’re desperate for any man to help level them up, but then they pile on the demands and blow any chance. It’s like a recent college grad who gets an offer after a year of job hunting, but they rescind the offer because he wants $100k a year plus equity. The irony being, 3 or so years of good work and they might’ve offered that to him without even asking.
DextroShade 2y ago
What's even worse is he had a better restaurant picked out but she was so late they missed the reservation. Even attempting to give these thots what they want is a fool's errand.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Also, her voice is basically the epitome of that middle aged, faux-vixen voice. I’m fairly certain that they talk in that time and cadence because it’s perceived that it’s how sexually desirable women talk. Really, it just sounds like exactly what it is: an obese woman who gets entitled when she packs her saggy boobs and Fupa into a dress that counters gravity a little bit.