@houseoftolstoy explains why men suggest dates like coffee or a walk when women demand dinner and a night on the town.

@moorekom I recommend we sidebar houseoftolstoy's comment as women demanding expensive first dates is still a pervasive problem.

Part of this is due to the ease of finding a guy to take you to dinner on any given night, thanks to OLD. In the old days of IRL dating, you met maybe 1 guy a week at best (if you went bar hopping like crazy) and so whatever restaurant he proposed was better than nothing, so you took it. Now, with OLD, especially if you up the filters and the slutty, revealing clothes, you can swipe on 20 guys who are willing to go out that same night, see what each one proposes, and basically sell yourself to the highest bidder. And even if you piss him off by ordering the surf'n'turf and then leaving with nothing but a handshake, there will be 20 new guys in your feed the next day. There are literally tiktok videos of women boasting about how they never use their kitchens because whenever they want a meal, they just dial up tinder and find some unsuspecting man hoping to try his luck. At least in IRL dating, if you get a reputation as someone who just dines and dumps, your dates will dry up. Not so in OLD.

FWIW, I do think younger guys are catching on to this. It's too easy to be scammed on OLD. And they're not buying squat for ladies. I remember going out to a bar several years ago where me and a buddy started chatting up these 3 friends. They were in college, attractive, and were actually fun to hang out with. We ended up bouncing through a couple of bars over the course of the night. And the first drink I bought for them was at the 2nd or 3rd bar when we had already spent a few hours talking and having fun. They were so genuinely surprised and thankful for the drink it kinda took me aback. I made some subtle inquiries over the night and it came out that guys their age or just out of college never bought women drinks anymore.

In contrast, older women closer to my age just seem to expect that you buy them drinks. I've even had strangers come up to me and say "buy me a drink!" as if I was going to pay for some random woman that I would never have looked twice at.

Here's my trick to figure out if any such woman is genuinely interested in you or not (90% of the time they're not, but sometimes they are). I hate being rude and just blowing them off, so any woman that asked me for a drink, I'd say "Tell me a joke that makes me laugh, and I'll buy you a drink." If they're actually interested, they'll take that as an easy entry into a fun, flirtatious conversation. And if they're not, they'll move on to the next guy. Easy peasy, and also avoids being rude, which can get you kicked out of the bar if they go to the bouncer or bartender and complain about you.

This, this is why when I was dating the first date ride was my aging commuter econobox, not the Luxobeast.

Listen to what women say - but watch what they do.

So.... That's the answer sheet for their own shit tests? Because if she doesn't agree to any of those, you know she doesn't want you.

Let’s meet up in a parking lot to just talk then. I’m good with that.

Show me a list like this, and I'll show you a woman lacking a wedding ring.

The level of narcissism with these "women" are off the charts. My first date with my high-school sweetheart was a diner and a movie. We took the bus. My first date with my wife was a quick lunch in Lower Manhattan. Pretty sure our second date was a wine bar and we may have had an appetizer.

I don't think first dates should be extravagant at all - especially if you're interested in a LTR - you just want to get to know the person.

Women who put these demands out into the world will remain single or be in poor "situationships" - for all of the college education and worldly knowledge out there, they certainly don't recognize that making crazy demands of a stranger isn't the best way to start any relationship.

As an aside, I don't know what Cheesecake Factory did to deserve this - their food is pretty good for a chain and it's not uncommon for 2-hour waits for a table in many areas on a Friday or Saturday night - I've seen this on both coasts (NY and LA). The portions are big and the prices, while not cheap, are reasonable. I think many of these ladies are literally "too big for their breeches".

That's a list of places women refuse to go on dates with guys they aren't attracted to.

For guys they are attracted to, the list is more like: "maybe not behind a dumpster in a back-alley". And that's only if they're above averagely classy

One of the ways interviewers like to play, "Gotcha'!" with a politician who claims to be a "Man of the People (tm)" is to ask how much common grocery items cost. When someone has no idea how much something costs, they're showing their privilege.

I eat out a lot because I travel for work, and I've eaten at every restaurant she listed except maybe Wingstop, and most of those places are expensive, especially if you order alcohol.

You can easily drop a C-note on dinner for two if you get appetizers, entrées, drinks, and desserts... and after that she'll judge you if you don't leave an extravagant tip.

By creating a list like this, this woman and those like her are demonstrating a level of privilege few men possess: the privilege of not having to care how much things cost. Men who have that privilege have generally earned it by virtue of hard work, whereas women who have that privilege have generally had it handed to them by virtue of having female genitalia.

This list was compiled by single women who have a hard time finding men to take them on dates.

Let that sink in.

Looks like we're going to Home Depot so she can build a new personality

LMAO

My first date was at a middle school dance. They had cool-aid at the concession stand. Didn't get laid that night (I was only 13), but I got lots of brownie points.

Don't listen to these bitches. If a woman really likes you, she will be the one offering to take you out. When she wants you to wine and dine her, she's just looking for free (expensive) food. And you get nothing.