She replied “Wedsday”.
Since all online girls are flaky, I am concerned that I will not be able to properly keep it going for two days. I find that the long timespan between setting the date and hanging out leads to an increase in flaking.
How do I make sure this happens? I’m normally not this sexual in conversation with them so soon but clearly nothing else I do is effective enough. This one has a banging body. I only graduated to fucking a skinny girl with the last girl that I fucked, but she had tiny tits. This one has proper sized tits. Her face is meh but not disgusting so this will potentially be a nice stepping stone into fucking the Kristen Bells of the world.
I said, “I can make that work. Give me your number and we’ll work out the details.”
Thanks.
Hanscheezburger 1y ago
You have to internalize that even the best PUA can't make sure a specific girl will do what he expects. Unless you have her family as a hostage or something like that.
That's why I only hang with girls that showed high interest to save time. If she's very cute then I might shoot my shot and pursue a little bit but I won't be cancelling my weekend plans hoping that she sticks to the program.
Expect her to flake, have backup plans ready. Just enjoy yourself dude
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Hanscheezburger 1y ago
Yes. Overtexting is one of the worst things you can do.
coolsocks00 1 1y ago
Is it at your place?
You should touch in with her early the day of at a minimum to confirm time. I might even text something tomorrow that implies we're still on, like a comment about the kind of whine we're gonna be drinking.
No questions that need answering, no long convos.
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coolsocks00 1 1y ago
So you wait and see. Just have backup plans. Go lift or something. Its just one girl.
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coolsocks00 1 1y ago
Just lacking SMV for OLD. It's pretty ruthless.
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coolsocks00 1 1y ago
Its normal. I got flaked on for both today and tomorrow btw. Luckily the way they flaked told me all i needed to know; im not missing out
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coolsocks00 1 1y ago
BRT bro
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Be right there. You said you need "help banging her"
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whytehorse2021 1y ago
Think of these chicks like customers. On the day of the date send an advertisement. Basically a photo of yourself with a reminder to buy your services at a specific time and place. Keep in mind she may get 400 other advertisements and opt for someone else so keep advertising to other customers. It's better that you have 5 dates planned and flake on 4 rather than you being one of the 4 she flakes on.
redhawkes 2 1y ago
You're overinvested already. Two days is nothing. Just tell her 'I'll text you the logistics', then on Wednesday, text her, Im free after 9, I'll come over.
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redhawkes 2 1y ago
Desperation is the worst perfume bud.
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
At this point I would recommend posting to us some of these flake conversations, you're going wrong somewhere.
Girls rarely flake on a lot of us, it would probably benefit you to get direct feedback on what's going wrong in your text game
Your pics and (to a small extent your bio) pull girls in to begin with, but if you're not able to keep them interested enough to meet it's probably your messaging. Yes, some girls just simply match with Chad and that's why they don't meet you after matching with him, but what your describing is not everyone's experience
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redhawkes 2 1y ago
'Hey' is typical low interest reply. You don't reply to that.
As I told you, tell her the day, then on the same day, text logistics, so you can have confirmation. You went all in. I rarely have bitch to play shit like this, it's usually them telling me im available whenever you are, or if the logistics doesn't work, they reschedule.
If she's trying to pull attention whore shit, I just withdraw. You think they work like a gumball machines, the more quarters you put, the more invested she'll be. Nah.
If you're not on the spectrum, you can text here and there, but newbs ovedo it and the bitch loses interest fast.
wtf is this
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
No problem man, I enjoy analysis.
First of all, most women (50%+) text like retards, even when they are fucking you
So it's not a definite sign that she has or will flake.
2nd, including the photos she sent you, she sent 9 messages in a row to you on what looks like bumble. That's not a bad sign. You can't take "hey" to mean it's a flake.
3rd she may not have known enough about x place, or may not have been free until 7 or 8 that night, and so while you should lead the date plans as the guy, it looks like leading blindly by assuming those plans must work for her when they might not.
There was no prior conversation setting the stage for going to x place at 6. Instead of communicating to you all of the possible hurdles or questions about it she may have, she defaulted to "hey" because it diffuses the responsibility of of her and is safe and lazy.
Assuming she is still interested, you can probably salvage this.
But you could avoid these obstacles and logistical hurdles in the future by messaging differently on OLD. Don't be afraid to give rich openers.
I always give a rich and non-sexual (2-3) medium-long sentence of opener about something they would most likely love to talk about in their profile.
Without fail, most will send back 2-3 decently long sentences back. Why I do this is 1) it yeilds a wealth of details for me to work with 2) makes you look refreshing compared to all the other horny fucks trying to invite them over, and 3) they have 50 other dudes to talk to. Each message we send cuts to the chase more efficiently than slow-rolling rapport or rushing to a date.
I almost always never send more than 3-4 messages total but the wealth of information I get from them in that time gives me easy date plans to make.
I then use roosh's day bang date line "you seem pretty cool, would you be interested in grabbing a drink" or whatever else is relevant to their interests and they'll pretty much always say yes if their sending me paragraph responses.
These girls appreciate that I'm "refreshing" and they don't flake on me. I've been stood up once but I also changed the venue of the day of so there's that.
I think you'd be avoiding a substantial lack of rapport and logistical issues with this method. I also don't try to get their phone number until I try to make the second date, while I'm already in person with them. I just stay on the app until then, less pressure to give a number to a random
Edit: I'm sure a lot of people would wildly disagree with my method, say it's not red-pilled etc, but whatever, I play the game that works
Edit 2: I mis-recalled how many sentences I usually type to them so I changed it
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
No problem, I will give a more thorough response after some sleep, having trouble recalling the specific examples at the moment. I'll give examples from memory when I can but they were highly tailored to those specific girls, so just a heads up on transferability
For what you said it hits a couple points content-wise: interest in beach and travel destinations/habit of traveling. These are good anchors to eventually link it to first date ideas, but I think it could have been more rich and attention grabbing than you had it
without knowing what else was in that photo it's hard to suggest what else could have been said.
I would have used more emotionally stimulating words and more themes. Example is based on hypothetical beach photo:
"Girls name, that beach looks stunning, it's hard to beat relaxing by the water with a cold drink and friends. Where was that photo taken?"
I don't know what was in the photo, but at least for me that opener would have a high probability of getting a lot of details and conversation directions to work with.
When you give girls rich openers on OLD, they tend to give a lot of detail, some times more than you asked, and they also tend to ask you questions too in return.
Such a conversation can go on to other things like cool places both of you have been (and want to see, which is important if there's cool local shit to check out) and also stuff like what she likes to drink. So you already can suggest a first date she'll be down for
Ultimately I would weave that into a date idea to grab drinks after about 3 or 4 messages max if that's what seemed like the best route
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
No problem, so one opener I had, the girl just moved to my area who's bio described wanting to check out places was, "Wow [name], you must be pretty fresh to [area], There are a lot of good hiking spots and restaurants here. What have you seen so far?
That opener netted me 2 paragraphs of response with 7 sentences total. She had highly positive responses and long answers to everything I said after.
Things didn't work out with her after we planned a second date because life. I think she was genuine about not being in a place to see anyone, too much story to add to this comment, but I think this was a rare case where I don't think she was lying
Girl 2, lost her acting job because of covid and had moved to a new state, enjoyed similar interests as me:
"Wow [name], there is so much I can comment on here, I don't really know where to begin. It's rough that you had to stop doing what you love. [Then I asked some question about an interest, can't remember well]
She gave a very positive response to that and ended up inviting me over to her apartment 3 messages in even though the conversation wasn't sexual and had no natural lead-up to it. We did a lot of fun shit at her place and then fucked for 2 hours.
Girl 3, showed some before and after photo of weight loss journey. had a more banging body than most never-fat women and was hot. Bio said something about never going to a bar before. Took me 3 weeks to send the first message because life.
"Hey [name] sorry for the long delay in reaching out, I've been finishing a busy semester and can finally breathe now.
That photo is incredibly inspirational, that takes a lot of determination [sic.]
Also, how is it humanly possible to never have gone into a bar at 27?"
Normally I would never try this degree of message, but I did. She ended up inviting me over to cook for the first date but managed to turn me off during logistics so I never met her. She called me "genuine" in her earlier replies, enjoyed messaging me.
Girl 4, loved cooking and baking. Had a lot of other stuff to comment on but I like cooking dates so I went that route.
"Hey [name] cooking is such a fun activity, I love making great food. What is your favorite dish to cook and what is your favorite dessert to bake?"
She come over for the second date. Almost fucked but I was in a horrible head space that day and it was the one and only time in my life being physical went wrong.
There were a lot of other matches this worked on. They almost always send me paragraphs to work with and then try to confirm with me if we're still on the day of. Sadly I lost interest in a lot of girls during the first date so there was no follow up, but the strategy worked well
I went monk mode shortly after getting good at this strategy so I only maybe tried it for a month. Never got flaked on except the one time I got stood up, I changed the venue to a place that was ended up being horrible when I showed up. She would have hated it and that's probably why she ghosted.
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
All good man
First, the texts between you and her:
You're giving her no plausible deniability at all. The comment about being chivalrous comes off as feigned given how overtly sexualized your entire convon was
And in addition, a pressure flip to her about her being the one to hook up is passing a shit test but not removing any ASD. Passing that shit test didn't help you because all it did was remove your overt desire to fuck from the equation, but not her perception that that's what it would be still remained.
Additionally, she would have easily been able to get off her friend's FaceTime if she had a date instead of going to a guy's house. Girls rarely prevent each other from going on dates. I gaurantee she didn't even tell her friend she was supposed to see a guy cause the friend would have asked where. hence why the friend tried to FaceTime her to begin with and just kept chatting.
You gave the girl almost no way to come over. She could not craft a narrative in her head of what to tell people had she gone over. Hence why you start at a bar or something and then hop to a second bar to get her used to switching venues with you.
I really think you could have probably gotten her over if you worked with, rather than against, female psychology and social standards
Secondly, your comment:
My pictures are average, they're certainly not great
I don't game them on tinder AT ALL
I literally just talk to them like normal people. I add some light (and I mean LIGHT) tease if she does first. I don't game them
When they swipe on me AND YOU, they've already determined they can see themselves naked around you at the least. That part has been accomplished the second they swipe on you bro.
No reason to make it sexual, IT IS SEXUAL already
They decided you were fuckable already before you even say a word and want to see if you have the social intelligence to make it happen without them feeling slutty for talking to a guy they'd fuck
Save your game for the date itself
Cannot judge your entire set of abilities on one stupid bitch
That's the problem right there, say no more about her
It is
Henry Ford: if you keep doing what you've always done, you'll keep getting what you've always had"
I'll answer them, can DM if needed
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
All good man! No problem at I'll, I'll check it
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Long comment below, but I browsed your recent posts that were related to this and so I'm addressing numerous posts at once. From browsing your posts I think you most likely portray a desperation of sorts to these girls.
Some of your approach at least seems to be trying to push them into the fire instead of striking while the iron is hot. There's a massive difference in effectiveness with the approaches
On OLD, some girls will go straight over, but meeting a guy in his home on date 1 for the first time is a risk even if they would fuck you based on pics and text game.
In OLD, this isn't girls necessarily having just ASD, they could be raped or killed, they don't know the guy at all before meeting him, or if he's necessarily who he says he is.
You were smart to send a text trying to meet in public first at x place. When you start getting bored of that place, bar hop to another place to get her used to venue changes, or walk to a cool part of the area or something. Makes it easier for her to treat another venue change to your house as less of a sudden plan change.
As for the actual physicality when or if you make it back to your place, genuinely aim to have fun. Getting sex should not at all be something you even give a fuck about when your are escalating or on the date. Especially when you're giving off vibes that you need it.
Genuinely just create a fun atmosphere at your place where she feels relaxed and in a great mood, and when getting physical and escalating, drive her increasingly turned on.
Anecdotally, I never push for sex. The one time I did it backfired horrendously. Every lay I've ever gotten was by driving her wild and giving her a great time, and striking while the iron was hot, which was typically her overtly communicating they wanted me inside them or something because their pleasure started doing all the talking for them.
You also don't have to give a fuck about ASD or LMR if you go that route. And at least for me, I've never had a girl not push for sex sooner or later under creating a fun atmosphere where they are really enjoying the lead-up.
You need to drive their imagination and emotions wild during escalation. Giving away the game seems to be hurting you based on previous posts, as does your mental game with phrases such as "letting me do xyz". Read their overt and subtle cues as to where escalation should go
You don't have to worry about "letting me do xyz" when her body language or words are practically urging you to go on to the next step