So as in other posts, as I mentioned, getting action or dates is not an issue, but I am not really wanting that at this stage of my life.
I generally judge burning desire by a few factors, including how quickly she breaks her "rules" for me, the way she looks at me, the amount of contact she wants with me, etc.
In the context of dating a woman who has a low notch count, these women tend to be overall much more conservative with their behavior. Even though they may be kind and interested, prolonged sexual promiscuity has a wide range of effects on other personality traits.
Where I am, it is quite possible to find women with under 4 sexual partners and even virgins. There is a very large community of religious and conservative people that believe in traditional values.
So in this context, how would you judge high interest women/burning desire from those being nice, kind, and social? COVID has made people simply crave in person social interaction...
whytehorse2021 2y ago
My wife broke every religious rule to be with me. Premarital sex, living together premaritally, dressing sexy, not wearing hair covering, showing me her tits online, dirty talk, etc.
drdontgiveaf 2y ago
Based on context, I have to ask. Is she from an Islamic country? How do you know she didn't do this with another guy before you (i.e. what makes you special)?
whytehorse2021 2y ago
She did it with 2 other guys before me. I can live with that. It's small compromise and a low n-count where I come from. Yes she's from an Islamic country. We had to skirt the virgin rule to get married.
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drdontgiveaf 2y ago
This is a given and sort of a basic thing IMO. There is a huge difference between "like" and "burning desire".
Boosted_Arrow 2y ago
Where are from? I'm wondering about the situation of the girls being conservative.
drdontgiveaf 2y ago
I am from the US, but live in Central Europe. There is a huge catholic population. This is pretty common throughout Europe, as long as you avoid the big cities. Even once on vacation in Germany, I had to take a pit stop in a small town on the Swiss/German boarder. The people within the town used religious based greetings and were very traditional. But, places like Munich are feminist strongholds. Austria & Germany are ultra woke.
CEE countries like Poland and Hungary do well. The biggest issue here is women having daddy issues from the common alcohol abuse issue. So, as long as you do vetting you can meet women who are worth a long term relationship.
I've known several women who were virgins until about the age of 28. They were not fitness freaks in the sense that they weren't muscular or regular gym goers. But, they did have a nice feminine physique and overall were attractive. I've met a couple women whom I believe to be virgins, in their mid-20s, based on their overall lifestyle and the way they view the world.
Hence the question. The thing that guys seem to overlook is that if a woman has little experience with men sexually, she probably has limited romantic experience with them as well. Thus, while the same principles are true regarding attraction. She may not be used to it and may be more timid. Which is why I made this post.
Boosted_Arrow 2y ago
Lol I kinda suspected that, I also live in CE. The girls here are kinda conservative. Even though it really depends on the girl. There's kinda both, conservative but also progressive feminists.
I would say we are a little bit more lucky than the americans, since the BS with obesity and extreme ideology is not as strong here (tbh I don't know how it really is there)
Would you say it's harder to game women here?
drdontgiveaf 2y ago
And, where are you from?
drdontgiveaf 2y ago
As a foreigner, no. It is probably easier in a way. Easier by the fact that a lot less women have a terrible attitude. Whereas, in the states women will talk back.
Case in point. I HATE lateness...
Date 1 - European Woman So, a woman comes slowly strolling up late. And I say, "Hey, you're late, whats up with that?"
She responds back with bullshit, but at least in a polite tone of voice.
Date 2 - Canadian Woman with European born Parents I say pretty much the same thing to date 2 as I did to date 1. Before I can finish the sentence, she raises her voice and tells me that it's acceptable and I should check my phone before saying anything.
At this stage, I have to believe that there are some good American women. But, the level of bullshit you have to put up with is far greater and in my opinion, not worth it. European women are hot, take care of themselves, and display some of the same annoying ass behavior. But, far less talk back is if they were a dude. So, from my point of view, why even try with American women when I am in Europe and dating them is less of a problem?
I am not so much into gaming them as a lot of the hurdles that a foreigner might face are mitigated by the way I already live my life. A lot of them don't want tourists. Fine, I live here for years already and I do occasionally have to go on business trips. The last time I was on a BT, I had lots of opportunities in Budapest, but I declined them all because I had to prepare for some really important stuff for work. But, I probably could have gotten at least a few dates out of it.
The other thing is I have enough of a body count to the point where I literally do not give a fuck. One thing is that women more than likely will bring more problems into your life than are offset by whatever they bring. People in the general public are neutral. I would like a woman to bring positivity in some way, warmth, trust, etc. For example, my main consumers of time outside of work, sleep, gym, etc is taking care of my home. I have a housekeeper. The housekeeper is nice and does a good job. But, a loving and caring woman would do it better and would have an extra bit of warmth to the job. Hard for me to describe if you haven't experienced it.
So, at this point in my life, it is my way or the highway because I am beyond well set. I have several avenues that can take me into beyond the 1% net worth category in the wealthiest countries and I am already well beyond the top 1% of income in the local country. I have goals. I already have kids (even though more would be cool). But, I am in a place where I am not desperate. What I miss most is a woman who treats me with respect, won't publicly humiliate me by cheating, has character, and is at least slightly above average looking. I'd take a well kept woman slightly above average over a model any day of the week if it bring peace of mind.
Feel free to ask more Qs! Hope that makes sense.
Boosted_Arrow 2y ago
I'm from switzerland, so yea these things seem relatable to me. And thank you.
Where do you usually meet the girls with the best prospect for short term success and/or LTRs? I first thought clubs are a good idea, but they aren't that big of a deal here I would say.
(To your initial question, for which I have a better image in my head now: Escalation is basically all you need. Rollo Tomassi says if a woman wants she would fly across the country to be with you. So trying to get more intimate (first light touching, then close dancing, then kissing, sex, or whatever you do) and making plans for hanging out are one way to test her desire; if she wants you, she will play along. And since girls get easily attention on social media their craving isn't that strong.)
drdontgiveaf 2y ago
I am near Vienna. If you are in the area sometime, ping me we can maybe link up.
Short term success = tinder with a well put together profile. All of the short term girls and chicks have come from Tinder. Never take them seriously unless they give you good reasons to. The chicks there, whether they are professionals at EY, or a high power lawyer, are hoes.
As far as LTRs, at least in my area it seems women avoid dating apps as they have a reputation for being easy to receive dick pics on. Decent chicks don't want that. I even had a chick shit test me by figuring out if I used tinder. I can reliably say she had a low notch count and was youthful and hot. So, in person if you want to play it long term. Axel Springer has some message boards in some local european countries. Just met a chick tonight who loves to take care of a home. She is a teacher and has a low-ish notch count but was very fun and pleasant to be with. Just avoid tinder, bumble, etc.
Boosted_Arrow 2y ago
Ah That's cool. I think I might be there next summer. So that's a good opportunity.
Alright, how should I design the profile if I did one? Pictures with abs and other muscles (my upper body is quite good)? Or just sth normal? (I've been playing with the thought for some time, but I questionned the effectivity. Trying it out for some practise will be good way of getting frequent practise in critical steps)
Some IT dude from the uni actually made a socializing app for us students. Could be promising.
Seems kinda inconvenient with Apps being ideal for Short-term but not for Long-term prospects, like this you must either choose one path or hide it. I also thought that meeting girls through your "natural" network is the only way to get into serious relationships, but I figured others have some more ideas. It's def. the best way to meet "safe" women.
drdontgiveaf 2y ago
Depends what you really want here. I have heard women complain about abs. I am also fit, but I do not show it off. When it comes time for bedroom fun, it is always very rewarding for them to discover it. It is almost always a surprise and it is always well received.
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