This video breaks my heart. A pro gamer (who is on the spectrum) was falsely accused of sexually assaulting a girl. Turns out he can’t have an orgasm and is severely depressed because of a botched childhood circumcision. Enough is enough with false accusations and genital mutilation.
Watched this on livestreamfails yesterday, was tempted to cross post this here too.
The fact that nobody even came forward during the allegations, meaning they were completely faceless was telling enough, especially considering the person who was spreading them had been doing so with malicious intent.
The fact that it takes someone to openly describe their disability to be believed in this situation is bewildering
I feel like nobody came forward because they didnt want to expose mews disability first, but we shall see. Id imagine he will mention the people who contacted him to support him. Remember, not everything these people do is or has to be public so theres a lot that we dont get to see or hear about.
You're not in their communities, so why would you know where they are? Try literally all of tumblr. If you talk like this about feminists I'm willing to bet you're the same kind of guy who called me a 'blue haired feminist cunt' for saying that rape jokes about men were just as unfunny as rape jokes about women in the past. Any sweeping generalizations about something a majority of women are lead women to think you're not worth the conversations it would take for you to realize you're outside their spheres.
The moment you challenge them on their 'facts' about men, or the victim narrative about women and their idea that patriarchy is the cause, you get excluded from those communities. Here, you get downvoted. There, you get banned.
Source: been banned from pretty much all feminist oriented communities.
FYI, that isn’t a radical feminist viewpoint, even if some self identified rad feminists would do so.
I’m a dude and can be accurately described as a radical egalitarian, radical men’s rights supporter and radical feminist because in their heart of hearts, each of those three SHOULD be the same thing. Society should be built around about individual ability and skills, not what you’ve got in your pants.
The “radical” prefix just means that you think that society needs to fundamentally realign in order to reach the goals of equality, where neither men nor women nor my non-binary friends are screwed over for their gender.
Some belly buttons (stealing the insult from above, for belly buttons lack depth and warmth) who call themselves feminists of all stripes are looking for the benefits of equality without the penalties, or are seeking woman supremacy. Metaphorically fuck them in the eye and call them stupid and sexist, because that’s what they are.
(Similarly, there are men’s rights activists who are just misogynistic cocks, and the same goes for them.)
All men are logical and don't base their decisions of emotion? Lmao stop with the misogyny.
Based on the evidence, Amber heard should pay up damages and perhaps some jail time (I'm no judge) . The Metoo movement isn't perfect but their support of Heard is moronic since it takes away the believability of victims. They should drop her.
Edit: downvoted lol? Please control your emotions, it's just reddit. x
"all men are logical and don't base their decisions off emotion?"
This is what I was on about. that's not what I said, you've gotten emotional and came up with an illogical response.
nothing wrong with being illogical at all but it IS a feminine trait. I'm not a misogynist, I love women. I'm just being honest even though it's not what feminists want to hear.
"all men are logical and don't base their decisions off emotion?" This is what I was on about. that's not what I said, you've gotten emotional and came up with an illogical response.
Anyone disagreeing with you, isn't being emotional and illogical. No need to get riled up, kiddo.
nothing wrong with being illogical at all but it IS a feminine trait. I'm not a misogynist, I love women. I'm just being honest even though it's not what feminists want to hear.
Incorrect. That isn't honesty, it's generalisation with a tad of misogyny to state that women are illogical and men are logical.
Your statement is quite illogical since statistically speaking, an entire population of women can't all be illogical nor an entire population of men logical.
Everyone can be emotional and illogical. Men are not emotionless humans and women are not devoid from logic.
Based on your own wording and defense, I'd say you should calm down and perhaps go out more to see the full spectrum of human behaviour. x
again that's not what I said. you weren't just disagreeing with me. you put words into my mouth.
being logical is just a masculine trait while being emotional is just a feminine trait.
most men are masculine & most women are feminine. not to say that men can't be emotional, nothing wrong with it at all. but it's still a feminine trait.
and sometimes I just can't be arsed saying "most but not all" when I'm making generalisations & i shouldn't have to because it should go without saying that there are exceptions to every rule. you don't need to point it out. we know humans are complex.
now what I've said isn't misogynistic at all. for it to be misogynistic you'd have to believe that being logical is superior to being emotional & it's just not. both states of mind are better suited then the other at certain tasks. hence why we see men go into logical stem fields while women perfer more emotional social care work.
and many always will. women aren't logical in the same way men are. they base their decisions off of emotion.
This is what you said so I'm not putting words in your mouth. Women can make their decision on logic, not only emotions. Same with men. It isn't mutually exclusive.
being logical is just a masculine trait while being emotional is just a feminine trait.
Emotional is argued to be a feminine trait, though this whole trait and gender thing are just theories based on cultural , spiritual, historal and social constructs and thus not proven with facts. Nonetheless, that does not mean they can't make decisions based on logic. Being illogical is not a trait and rather a negative connotation on both sides of the coin.
most men are masculine & most women are feminine. not to say that men can't be emotional, nothing wrong with it at all. but it's still a feminine trait.
Good to see you know the differences in people.
and sometimes I just can't be arsed saying "most but not all" when I'm making generalisations & i shouldn't have to because it should go without saying that there are exceptions to every rule. you don't need to point it out. we know humans are complex.
Well that's an assumption. Clearly it didn't go without saying. If you want to convey and defend an argument, articulate it a tad better. Generalisations is just lazy thought work. To assume everyone to know what you mean behind every word is not realistic. Especially on reddit lol.
now what I've said isn't misogynistic at all. for it to be misogynistic you'd have to believe that being logical is superior to being emotional & it's just not.
Ehh, beg to differ. Never said anything about being superior or inferior. Saying women base their decisions on emotions is a pretty dim view to have towards them. Women can make decisions on purely facts, kiddo.
both states of mind are better suited then the other at certain tasks. hence why we see men go into logical stem fields while women perfer more emotional social care work.
That is because STEM used to be very male dominated and was still quite sexist. Women were historically and culturally not encouraged to pursue careers like this and were encouraged to take on the 'emotional social care' work you speak of.Now more women are joining that field and there is an increase in women having PhDs.Luckily this dynamic is shifting. Same with men in more 'emotional social' work as that is now more accepted.
Anyhoo, good to see you know people are complex. I'll leave it at that. Toodles.
people did, and that person did not assume responsibility at all. They blamed it on various other arbitrary parties (ie. fictional scapegoats) who were supposedly responsible for cooking up the rumor, all the while maintaining that it's "in the past now" and pushing for compassion towards themselves...
And when does the eye for an eye mentality stop? We don't have the luxury of gynocentric bias on our side, so when we do what they do, we actually face consequences
Poor M2K... with all the allegations going around, it’s only inevitable that someone would try to accuse him. This is the result of cancel culture and bandwagoning.
not only has this poor guy been falsely accused and mutilated but he's also been brainwashed into thinking that he's going to a fiery pit underground if he's a bad person. There is no hell it was made up by the church to control people with fear. there is no man goat hybrid underground…
And you can see there, that if you didn't need purification or punishment for very bad stuff (which just delayed the process), you reincarnated after forgetting by drinking this river's water...and after becoming complete enough after enough cycles, you had the right to 'rest forever' in Elysium. Which probably translated to heaven, but the Buddhists call it Nirvana.
The Christian Church decided to deny the very possibility of reincarnation, after this theologian proposed it as some obvious truth. But the texts were ambiguous enough to go the other way, definitely. They declared any belief in reincarnation to be heresy. It diminished the Church's power over its plebs, because everyone had their own destiny in hand, didn't need a priest or a building, just 'be good and improve'.
Once you are dead you are dead, no one can rise from the dead. All of these fairytales have been used to kill people and demonize them over many centuries. And it's being used even today…
Reincarnating is not 'rising from the dead'. It's reusing the same soul to do other stuff, but you have no prior memories. Or else you'd remember every way which you died, and have perma-PTSD.
Christianity teaches that you are evil and worthless without the help of God. That is part of the brainwashing. I imagine this has an impact on his depression. Personally, i felt much better after i left Christianity. I didn't necessarily have fewer depressing thoughts but i did have better ways of coping with them.
The side effect is that it made him suicidally depressed before telling him he would burn for eternity if he killed himself. That's like if your foot started rotting from gangrene and I told you that if you cut it off, I'll shoot you. At least you get to keep your foot though, right?
I understand you're trying to look for the good in this, but it ain't that, Chief.
You think his beliefs made him depressed and not his physical condition? In other words, if he had been raised without that belief system he'd be just fine and happy?
I think the beliefs that were imposed on him did, yes, because without the belief that he needed to be circumcised in the first place, his physical condition wouldn't have happened.
Plenty of people do that without religion. If he said in that stream that it happened to him specifically due to religion I missed it. In a lot of areas it's just what's expected and religion doesn't factor into it.
It may not have been strictly because of religion, and if it wasn't, then yeah, he wouldn't have been happy either way. But one thing that stuck with me during his talk about hell was that I'm pretty sure he says that his mom told him that "God knows your thoughts" or something close to that, and that doesn't bode well coming from a parent imo.
I couldn’t finish it man. Watching him slowly break down all because they cut his foreskin off mainly because of religious and appearance purposes, it’s just overall heartbreaking.
I have been telling people for years, male circumcisions are not needed outside of medical reasons. All the women I spoke with said they would do it to their sons because it looks better. Bitch, are you going to fuck your son? No, then leave his junk alone.
I really can't fathom how up their own asses people can be. They're unironically defending taking away a boy's control over his own body and potentially ruining his genitalia in the name of their own aesthetic preference, like it's their moral right as a parent to do that. It's just so fucked up to me.
Years ago, I read an article on why circumcisions were popular here and how back in the day, it was standard to do so. It spoke about how surgeons could make an additional 35K a year from just circumcisions which was one biggest reasons it was pushed on parents under the guide of being healthier for the boy.
Astonishing. I'm glad that is not the case where I live, yet I weep for the young males that never even got to choose whether or not to go through the mutilation that is removing one's foreskin. I hope we can end this barbaric practice soon.
My girlfriend said she would prefer a circumcision if we were married and had a boy. I asked her why, she said that he may not clean himself. I told her that that if we TEACH him to clean himself, he will never have a problem.
It is all about the look and lack of desire to make an effort and TALK with your son about his dong.
Oh, yeah, let's mutilate you without consent so I can avoid having a simple, five minute talk with you.
I already told her no circumcisions and I will never get married without a pre-nup that does not require me to pay alimony or child support as I will fight for full custody.
May be a bachelor for a long while but better to be single than financially raped.
I feel the need to point out here that its not just for "aesthetic purposes". For example, the CDC still recommends circumcision. It reduces the risk of HIV by 50-60%. It reduces the risk of herpes, HSPV-2. And HPV by 30%.
For female partners of circumcised men; the risk of HR-HPV for female partners was reduced by 28%, the risk of bacterial vaginosis was reduced by 40%, and the risk of trichomoniasis was reduced by 48%. Source.
It is fine to be against circumcision, but let's be truthful about the benefits of it as well.
These numbers are extremely misleading, as they represent a RELATIVE risk reduction, not an ABSOLUTE risk reduction. This misleading statistic was explicitly created with the goal of getting parents to agree to genital mutilation, while at the same time ignoring or and denying every benefit the foreskin has.
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Watch Eric Cloppers presentation "Sex and Circumcision, an American love story".
Why should we point out those insignificant and otherwise mitigatable factors, when the CDC and other medical organizations do not point out the immense harm and even lethality of circumcision when counseling parents on the decision?
Those numbers are ridiculous anyway, and are obviously either completely fraudulent or heavily cherry-picked to sell the narrative.
How are these things insignificant but you bring up lethality?
Circumcision is a relatively safe procedure with a low rate of complication which ranges from 0.19%-3.1%.[1] The majority of complications are minor and treatable.[2] However, circumcision- related deaths have been reported in some patients as an extremely rare occurrence.
Together, these showed that early infant MC confers immediate and lifelong benefits by protecting against urinary tract infections having potential adverse long-term renal effects, phimosis that causes difficult and painful erections and “ballooning” during urination, inflammatory skin conditions, inferior penile hygiene, candidiasis, various sexually transmissible infections in both sexes, genital ulcers, and penile, prostate and cervical cancer. Our risk-benefit analysis showed that benefits exceeded procedural risks, which are predominantly minor, by up to 200 to 1. We estimated that more than 1 in 2 uncircumcised males will experience an adverse foreskin-related medical condition over their lifetime. Wide-ranging evidence from surveys, physiological measurements, and the anatomical location of penile sensory receptors responsible for sexual sensation strongly and consistently suggested that MC has no detrimental effect on sexual function, sensitivity or pleasure. United States studies showed that early infant MC is cost saving. The evidence supporting early infant MC has further strengthened since the positive AAP and CDC reviews.
You do realize doctors get a huge amount of money just for circumcising, same way doctors hand out adhd medicine like candy after a 15 minute interview, they get income, there’s a reduced risk of HIV cool, while 1% of the american population gets a botched circumcism, which you can tell yourself 1% isn’t a lot but doing the math that’s around 20-30 million people, if foreskin was the main reason for HIV sure then I could see why people would do it, but don’t believe most data especially coming from people who get handsomely paid and we’re taking at numbers of 35k more money, as evidence to support why you should circumcise. Frankly I don’t give a fuck what your claimed evidence is or what you say about the situation, it’s wrong, you should not take an infant child and cut it, it make that decision for itself later on, also from your perspective you come from a place of “it reduces HIV” but i’ve had conversations with MULTIPLE people and never once has anyone brought that argument into it, so yes people mostly do it for either religion or cosmetics.
He streams a lot more than he used to recently. I've been following Melee and M2K since like 2009. Smash community is suffering a major #metoo plague at the moment.
What started as a couple of bad apples that got exposed turned into a giant finger pointing contest and massive cancel culture.
.#Metoo cancel culture is currently killing the community.
I would not say that just because you know you can find one anywhere. Imagine calling all people of a profession pedophiles because we found some pedo working in it. So are we all pedophiles? That's just dumb
And an excuse to point fingers, just like racism.
Seems to me that there have been more confirmed bad apples than false accusations in Smash right now. This one case sucks, yes, but it's not worth scrapping the whole objective of removing predators.
This is especially sad for those of us who felt so connected to the smash community and felt really accepted due to the diversity you see in the community and how it accepts all people.
Ehh the smash community can be pretty toxic towards its best players. Especially Melee. The five gods(which mew2king was a part of) all got a lot of hate, most of all Hungrybox. Dude got a crab thrown at him for winning at one point.
Oh for sure, there’s toxicity in every gaming community but Hbox was a different story because of his unique playstyle and his actual personality. People didn’t want him to be one of the faces of melee because of his cheating and rudeness but they’re all pretty loved now.
Yeah he did sacrifice a lot for his career and the community. I’ve even seen clips of him helping smashers with their homework during tournaments because for those that don’t know, colleges and universities are hot spots for tournaments. Eventually he did become the reigning, undisputed number one melee player in the world when it was at its most popular. It’s like when a CEO does something controversial and steps down but hbox caught flack for his cheating and his playstyle, which players didn’t want casuals to see and think of the entire community playing like that which most of the community branded “boring”. Leffen is also a special case because his role was always the “villain”. A ruthless, punishing and technical fox player that became the first player since the era of the five gods began to defeat all five gods and win a major. He was toxic no doubt, but he never represented the melee community.
Hbox is seen by the melee community the same way the melee community is seen by the rest of the fighting game community. I'd also say Leffen wasn't really a villain, considering a lot of people defend his toxicity, as opposed to Hbox, who adopted a villain persona and got shit for it. His cheating really shouldn't matter in regards to respecting him as a competitor, which a lot of people don't do. I recommend checking out EmpLemons "Never ever" video about Hbox.
That’s true but if it was some rando that’s different than someone who was becoming the face of the community and representing the community in all things they were invited to (i.e. podcast’s, tv shows, presentations, announcements and events)
I’m incredibly sad with everything happening in the smash community and I felt even worse when I found out about this, I was planning on buying the dlc, and I likely still will, but it just doesn’t feel the same you know?
I wouldn't know what to tell the guy about his injury, I couldn't imagine his feelings and don't think anything I could say would help him. But what I do know is that he also mentioned an inability to socialize, and that he had a hard time with that too over the last 10 years. I don't know about you guys but can we all let him know how eloquent, communicative, and despite his circumstances, seemingly relatable he really is? I would not have guessed he was on the spectrum, and in fact communicates better than a lot of my neurotypical friends.
Another thing I felt after watching this video: this world is a better place with him in it. He just gained a fan in me. He has an important place using that voice of his... Despite the false allegations. I hope his community shows him love because if anyone deserves it, he does.
Dude I just checked out that sub and like 80% of the post in 'hot' were something to do with 'allegations' and 'sexual misconduct'. Really weird sexual fixation over there for whatever reason.
The entire smash community is on a giant #metoo witchunt and it's killing the entire community. What started as a few bad apples getting exposed has now evolved into a giant attention whoring contest of finger pointing and wild accusations.
People losing their livelihoods because of twitter mob. Fucking cancer
I mean what do you expect? The top 3 players + more were just revealed and confirmed to be pedos, that’s usually cause to look back at your whole community
MKLeo didn’t do anything wrong , Tweek and Samsora knew about what Nairo did and didn’t report to the police, which is bad, but doesn’t make them pedos. Top 3 are not pedos.
What you said wasn't true. The top three Smash players are MKLeo, Samsora, and Tweek, and they are not pedos. Nairo is ranked 4th, so you were almost partially correct.
Well from an outside perspective I really only knew three smashers that we’re into 4/ultimate, nairo, zero, and ally. All previous champions and contenders for #1 spot in a world wide ranking at some point. So I think my comment works fine. They are also much more of a household name than samsora. Nothin to say on mkleo
A pedophile is someone who is attracted to prepubescent children. Zero talked to a 14 year old which would make him a hebephile, someone who is attracted to postpunescent children.
Also he was 19 at the time. So its kind of like a senior talking to a freshman. Which happens all of the time. I just hate to see the chaos that is going on in the smash community.
Yeah it's actually fucking sad. Some of these people being called violent rapists and predators by Twitter mob of which 90% didn't read any of the evidence presented.
Hurts to see Nairo being called a sociopathic rapist when Captain Zack himself in his own testimony proved the complete opposite. And with Captain Zack already having a track record of blackmail and manipulation, I'm not sure how anyone can call Nairo a predator rapist.
I get what you're trying to say but the example you gave turned out to actually be true. I don't think it should be innocence until proven guilty but more like 'unknown' until proven guilty. A lot of toxicity came from people who immediately assumed guilt but most came from people immediately assuming innocence (like with the ZeRo example you commented on, where people harassed the accuser because their proof seemed fake). The sub seems to be pretty forgiving once the accused speaks up tho
Thats not true at all! What?? Did you see the response to the ZeRo accusations? The attacks people made to Jisu calling it a “weak” accusation among a host of over things. Just because you have 1 example doesn’t mean that you’re right.
Thats being said, ZeRo was absolutely in the wrong. And the amount of people still defending him is disgusting. People here seem to forget that a majority of these accusations are true, and that these accusations have already provided a lot of benefit to banning genuinely bad people. I’m glad you unsubbed because you seem pretty easily convinced of things that don’t have much to support. They should take the accusations seriously, and thats what a lot of people tend to believe when you say “face value”. Its a serious accusation, you should take it really seriously and evaluate the evidence. Often, there is a lot to support the claim.
You seem to be highly overreacting as well, just seems weird you’re that outraged for some reason. I’m all for supporting M2K, but that doesn’t dismiss the rest of it.
No there's not. More often than not it's one person's word against another. With the exception of confessions people shouldn't automatically be believed just because they made an accusation.
Sticking to innocent until proven guilty is not an extreme position. Perhaps you might think it to be and that is a problem.
Yes there is? The top 3 people in 2016 are banned, with credible evidence. Notably Nairo and ZeRo
this isn’t court of law its court of public opinion. Yeah, sure, he is innocent until proven guilty. But we don’t have to take a statement with confounding evidence to court to understand its probable validity. They pinned the list of all of the allegations. And everyone is well aware to just understand them as allegations, and generally wait for the response of the accused. That being said there are very damning accusations that are coming out.
So do we just ignore the massive benefit they have brought for the ability for them to cause harm? Get real. It was easily proven that M2K, a victim of false accusation, did not do such. At the cost of his perceived dignity, yes, but he has received overwhelming support as a result. So clearly that one didn’t ruin any career. I still don’t see what your point is, and it seems like you’re ignoring the benefit.
These allegations have seen many benefits, and while i’m not even the biggest fan of it, that doesn’t mean they’re bad. I don’t see why you’re taking a stance because of a minutia of problems that result from it.
So do we just ignore the massive benefit they have brought for the ability for them to cause harm?
Of course you would jump to the other extreme. That's how you view the world. Either we make allegations over social media and let the mob decide or we let all of the abusers run free. Listen to yourself, do you really not think there are steps between those two points?
What do you mean “the other extreme”??? You mean the vast majority?
thats how you view the world.
Thanks for informing me on my own beliefs that you have really demonstrated your knowledge of lmao.
Lets get this straight, false accusations are a minority of the accusations, true allegations are the majority. How is siding with the majority an “extreme” now? You’re quote literally siding with the extreme here?
Either we make allegations over social media and let the mob decide or we let all of the abusers run free.
You created a misrepresentation of what is actually the case and set it to a false equivalence to try and make a point. Yawn, this isn’t even an argument.
These people are going on a crusade against people in the smash community and some of them are being exposed as actual child predators while others are falsely accused.
Mew2King didn't deserve this and having a private medical issue brought up like this is fucked up. Just last week another streamer committed suicide after being bullied about numerous things and like thats not enough they bring up false accusations to others. Hes such a good guy and it breaks my heart that this happened to him.
No one should be dragged like that period. Your false allegations, however, are a defamation of character and he can sue for it. For what this guys been through I hope he does, no one should have to go through this trash.
This man could have just keep his secret if some people would have know how to behave in a society ! The accusers should go to hell for this ! Prison is too nice for them !
It's so sad when people hijack the coming forward of actual victims with false accusations towards other people just to try and capitalize in bringing someone down... Makes me lose some faith in humanity.
An orgasm will not be an issue in a criminal trial for assault. It’s irrelevant. And it’s only an exculpatory statement by the accused anyway. Would you believe Weinstein or Epstein? What about Trump or Bill Clinton? Failure to orgasm has never been a defense to assault. Name-calling is juvenile.
Oh my gosh :( I wasn't expecting to watch as much as I did but I didnt cut it out until they talked about other stuff (moving from jersey to cali).
I want to be respectful about him saying there is no hope, but because he didn't go into specifics I'm hoping maybe he can achieve prostate orgasm or coregasm (whixh can be trained to do)? I'm obviously a rando who wouldn't be able to bring that up to him though.
This doesn’t “break your heart”. You don’t actually care about this man or his issues.
You literally only post shit like this so that you and the rest of the degenerates in here get to pretend you’re all “victims” and not just demented, maladjusted arseholes.
Just admit that this isn’t a story for you and the rest of the lads here - this is propaganda.
Wow what's your problem? We can't talk about it because you think its propaganda? How is it bad then? Try to find a valid answer in your fucked up mind.
yet i can guarantee this brand new account of yours is either an Alt or a ban evasion account and your main does nothing but comment on stories about bad things happening to women, but if a man took your comment and flipped the genders to say you don’t care about the woman in your stories, just using it to further an agenda, you’d lose your damn mind
If I was sad enough to make an “alt” I’d genuinely, genuinely have killed myself a long, long time ago. I assure you. This shithole came up on popular for some weird reason, so I thought I’d click and remind myself that things could be worse - I could spend every day resenting women for my every failure. It’s good to know there is always somebody worse off than me.
“Wah wah but if wimmin did it!!!”
You should get that put on your gravestone mate. You sound like a whining little cunt. That’s the only reason you have so many issues with women.
i don’t have issues with women. i advocate for gender equality much more than you clearly do after seeing your comments.
You know I can see that your account is 1 day old right? You made this account to talk shit to men like your whole life depends on us.
so you’re telling me you somehow stumbled on this website, stumbled onto this page, stumbled on this post, and stumbled into posting misandrist comments?
I haven’t posted anything “misandrist”. You sound like such a whining little dork. It’s actually sad how warped your mind has become from constantly playing the victim.
This shithole was on the front page. r/popular I believe. I didn’t have to go very far to stumble upon you dribblers.
men like the one this story is about are victims. it’s pretty deranged that you can’t see that. if this sub was on the front page, good. you still have a now 2 day old account that you’re using to act like a femcel. how’s that -42 karma?
Guys... Out here there are oodles of men - OODDLES!! - men with low sex drives, high sex drives, average sex drives, big dicks, tiny dick, averages dicks, somebody else's dick - guys who're on psych meds, shit which absolutely fucks patients up, even *if* it's allegedly working, and A LOT of those guys have some suuuuuuuuper funky stories about their dick.
I'm not *against* penis stories here. Don't get me wrong. I just feel like whole anti-male-circumcision thing I see a lot of around here reeaaally isn't the biggest and most important "penis issue" to be talking about.
99% of the time it's some insecure circumcised guy having an emotional reaction to his cognitive dissonance when confronted with the obvious flaws of circumcision and misinterpreting conversation on the practice as a personal attack against his own member
anti-male-circumcision thing I see a lot of around here reeaaally isn't the biggest and most important "penis issue" to be talking about.
low sex drives, high sex drives, average sex drives, big dicks, tiny dick, averages dicks, somebody else's dick
Do you notice your list of items aren't related to circumcision? So involuntary cutting of someone's genitals remains a big issue.
The rest is a fallacy of relative privation:
The fallacy of relative privation rejects an argument by stating the existence of a more important problem. The existence of such a worse issue, the fallacy insists, thereby makes the initial argument irrelevant. This fallacy is also known as the appeal to worse problems or “not as bad as”.
They mutilated his dick so bad it literally doesn't work right, mind explaining what you think a bigger penis problem than making it useless or even painful to function is?
Alright, well, here's the thing...
If you guys like the stimulation of nerves, how they interact, and how they function at least just as much as you you do clumps of removed dick-skin, I'd suspect I'd see more posts on this sub ----------yoooo, fuuuuuck this shit.
Shut the fuck up about your foreskin, bruh. Also, your fallac symbolisms are dumb. They don't even teach that shit in undergraduate logic course. That's not formal logic; it's just shit from a book about how to be an unproductive asshole.
Where do you people read this shit? It's almost as if they taught you incorrectly as part of an onging joke about falac symbols. THAT'S is how dumb this shit is. That conspiracy theory very well could have happened with you guys; THAT's is how gullible you are.
Shut the fuck up about your foreskin, bruh. Also, your fallac symbolisms are dumb. They don't even teach that shit in undergraduate logic course. That's not formal logic; it's just shit from a book about how to be an unproductive asshole.
I don't even know what you're trying to say. I could take a guess, but nah it's on you to make yourself clear.
Where do you people read this shit? It's almost as if they taught you incorrectly as part of an onging joke about falac symbols. THAT'S is how dumb this shit is.
This is just a weird ad hominem fallacy.
So back to actual, real, medical information!
“Male circumcision decreases penile sensitivity as measured in a large cohort”
Alright... The point at issue, dawg, is whether foreskin is the biggest Penis Issue facing men right now, so...
How many buys do you think the issue would get in PPV? Sure, effects of medications of dicks effects folks in different ways but to the same-fucking-degree as exotic dick-doctor-malpractice shit, but YOU seem to think that this doesn't matter. YOU are apparently looking for the biggest PENIS PPV DRAW.
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How many buys on PPV would you whole dick skin issue get? I'm thinkin' 200k tops. IDK though...
whether foreskin is the biggest Penis Issue facing men
That is the fallacy of relative privation again.
The fallacy of relative privation rejects an argument by stating the existence of a more important problem. The existence of such a worse issue, the fallacy insists, thereby makes the initial argument irrelevant. This fallacy is also known as the appeal to worse problems or “not as bad as”.
People can fight multiple positions at the same time.
Right.
...which makes it weird that this sub doesn't mention shit that can be categorized as "penis issues" but doesn't have to do with foreskin removal.
To whom would this sub's narrowed focus on "penis issues" even appeal mostly?
You're free to talk about other items all you want. Really. Go ahead. I don't really care. Make a post and people can vote on it. This entire thread is about circumcision.
But take ED, which can be treated with Viagra and avoided with general health.
Now circumcision. Can't be treated after it's done, the body part is removed. And circumcision can be avoided by following basic medical ethics and respecting others body autonomy. Simple.
It seems our topic is why we should care about circumcision. So here's more medical info:
“Male circumcision and sexual function in men and women: a survey-based, cross-sectional study in Denmark”
It's more of a subreddit for noteworthy things that happen while streaming, it's basically a giant highschool drama chatclub. It was posted there because a lot of people would see it, not making fun of M2K.
No one can generalize on behalf of an entire movement, but I’m a feminist who doesn’t support circumscision (male or female). My heart goes out to the guy in this video.
Feminists most certainly are against MGM and any form of genital mutilation. Not sure where you’re getting that from but there’s plenty to be mad about without spreading false narratives.
"Male circumcision is symbolic of men’s power.
Circumcision has always been symbolically connected to male privilege." Quoting a feminist. Who think this is a feminist issue and how men's rights movement is in the wrong on this one. Still presenting MRA like some sexists who want to destroy everything feminism has done for women.
Not saying all feminists think like that but that's an article.
I told a feminist friend one time that I thought MGM could be interpreted as a feminist issue because it's about people's autonomy with their own bodies. She rolled her eyes so hard I thought she was going to break them, then said "That's literally making feminism about the penis." Then she stopped talking to me. I appreciate where you're coming from, but I don't see that "Feminists most certainly are against MGM"
Man, I’m so sorry to hear y’all’s experiences. I call those “feminazis”. My experiences have been different but I suppose that’s because the feminists I’ve interacted with are more egalitarian—feminism as a means to be equal.
Sucks I’m getting downvoted to hell, but it’s a bit eye opening hearing about feminist extremists that y’all seem to know.
I agree with the downvoting thing, it's excessive. I appreciate you continuing to respond even though you're probably going to lose karma for it.
I would like to know the egalitarian feminists you know. I'd like to see if they stay egalitarian even when they're talking to, gasp, a white male. I just see so much one upping of victimhood, and then just a complete dismissal of anything I say bc of my demographic. It's frustrating. I would never deliberately do anything to harm feminist causes, but I no longer call myself a feminist bc of it. I used to, but I now don't. Yeah I want to change my tune, I don't like having this devisive opinion, but it's hard for me not to when it's the energy I'm receiving.
Feminists? No, they are typically against genital mutilation. Religion though, ones predominately run by male priests and preachers, are your main abusers.
Something else that is worth noting before a bunch of idiots open their mouths is that the person accusing the gamer is another guy who is claiming he heard it as a rumor.
Not surprising that this comment is getting downvoted. This sub has a massive hypocrisy issue. Want to claim it's about men's rights, but everyone is very quiet on here about the abuse brought about by male religious figures. So many on this sub would attack Sinéad O'Connor and defend Pope John Paul II.
I assume you're not familiar with things like the WHiPT (Women's HIV prevention and tracking) project from ATHENA network then? The tag line I believe was "Making Male Circumcision Work for Women"? Yes, you're reading that right, they actually did call it that, their goal was to start accelerating male circumcision in African countries under the guise that it would somehow lower the number of women getting HIV.
Spoiler alert: it didn't, but it was still supported by feminist organizations.
What exactly am I supposed to be looking at here? I'm just going to point out a few things in no particular order if that's okay.
I see that there's a claim that "There is compelling evidence that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by approximately 60%" yet, I'm not seeing it anywhere in that link.
Even going to the progress briefs, which I would assume would've told me at least how they supposedly reduce infection, but nope, just various graphs about how many men willingly circumcised themselves after being told that it would prevent aids. So either they're just guessing it did and have no idea if they're right or not, or they know and did not bother to include why at all.
On top of that, this isn't even the same project nor is it the same groups.
It's not even really the same topic. You said they were typically against genital mutilation, they're really only concretely against FGM, but I brought up an instance where they actually supported it for us under the guise of 'women's health', and... you decide to instead get sidetracked on how circumcision supposedly benefits men, pretty much deflecting away from the feminism angle and why they were cut to begin with.
Look. it's not mutually exclusive, it can be, and really is, both of those groups supporting this for their own reasons.
It's not even really the same topic. You said they were typically against genital mutilation, they're really only concretely against FGM, but I brought up an instance where they actually supported it for us under the guise of 'women's health', and... you decide to instead get sidetracked on how circumcision supposedly benefits men, pretty much deflecting away from the feminism angle and why they were cut to begin with.
It's 100% part of the same topic. You brought up ONE group (that doesn't declare itself as being a feminist organization, but a women's health group) that advocates for it based on research that it is effective in reducing HIV transmission. The advocacy group you mentioned brings up that it benefits both sexes, but their focus was on reducing the number of women exposed since more women suffering from the virus in the two countries studied. It also goes beyond that, because they study misconceptions regarding genital mutilation for both sexes.
If we're going to discuss someone getting sidetracked, I said your hatred of feminism sidetracked you from taking time to read about the group you mentioned.
BTW, if you plan to response, do it on your main account and not the sub-specific one. I won't bother replying to any comments you make unless it's from the main.
My bad on not seeing that page in the link, though I don't know why you didn't just link that one to begin with, I'll read through them.
I'll admit I may have jumped the gun on how much feminism actually supports circumcision, but that one group definitely is associated with feminism, it's quite literally plastered all over their front page, https://athenanetwork.org, I'm just tired of seeing anyone advocating for that bs elective surgery, feminist, religious, or otherwise. I think it's absolutely horrible what happened to M2K, he got it even worse than most of us American men do at birth, and then some asshole decided to falsely accuse him on top of that. I'm not trying to say 'all feminists support it' just that it is actually supported by some of them, though more likely it'll just be brushed off as a lesser or non-issue instead.
And this is my main btw, I don't really care if you choose to believe that or not, I don't use Reddit for much other than this sub, I don't matter enough to worry about in the long run anyway. Good luck.
It's probably because most people on here, like me, have seen the absolute shock followed by maybe boughts of hysterical laughter that follows when we suggest MGM might be an issue of importance. All my data is anecdotal so you could be right about feminists being against all forms of genital mutilation including MGM, but that's directly contradictory to all of my personal experiences.
You're spending more time attacking feminists over MGM than the religious representatives that created and push for genital mutilation of both sexes. You're not helping by attacking the ally (feminists) in this battle and ignoring the real culprits (religions).
I'm very upset with those religious institutions for perpetuating it, I have this conversation with my Jewish family whenever I can. But in this moment, I'm responding to the subject of your comment. I have to admit, your language does not leave a lot of room for good feelings here. Telling me what I'm doing, especially when it's in direct opposition to what I believe I'm doing, isn't a good way to make allies.
And then you're telling me that feminists are my allies in this fight, contradicting my stated experiences, which are, again, the opposite of what you're claiming.
Telling me what I'm doing, especially when it's in direct opposition to what I believe I'm doing, isn't a good way to make allies.
What you claim you are doing and what you are doing are nearly opposites from an outsider's perspective.
And then you're telling me that feminists are my allies in this fight, contradicting my stated experiences, which are, again, the opposite of what you're claiming.
Yes, I am. In fact, I honestly question how much time you have spent discussing genital mutilation with a feminist, or any MRA issue. So many of the users on this sub spend their time trashing feminists, but it is clear as day that they have never had an honest discussion with one.
There's this illusion people have here that talking about how much they hate feminists is helping MRA fix male issues. Users here don't actually want to go after the predominate sources of problems, which are the religions and their old ass conservative followers trying to push traditional religious views (e.g. women are to be treated like children and exist to serve to men). While the religious institutions mutilates and sexually abuses thousands and thousands of children without justice, MRA chooses to spend its time attacking feminists as though that is their fault. Like I previously alluded, I bet people on here would sooner attack Sinead O'Conner for being a feminists than attack Pope John Paul II for protecting pedophiles.
You can choose to deny or belittle my experiences all you want, and it's not my responsibility to convince some aggressive internet stranger that I've had the conversations I've had. I know I've had them, and the women I've had them with know we've had them. What you find "clear as day" is wrong and I sincerely hope you examine your tendency to label and assume here.
Actually to me it seems clear as day that you're here on r/mra to trash men's rights activists. I think you're a hypocrite.
Btw I agree with your distaste of these big religions and their complicity if not downright maliciousness.
And my experiences being blown off by feminists, hearing things like "I'm drowning in white male tears", and having eyes rolled when talking about circumcision, and my subsequent talking about those experiences, does not mean I hold views like "women are to be treated like children and exist to serve to men". Christ. I'm wondering if you're capable of allowing for subtle differences of opinion or if it's either someone agrees with you completely or they're conservative bigots.
Actually to me it seems clear as day that you're here on r/mra to trash men's rights activists.
I'd like to see this sub return to it's roots where it gave a shit about men's issues instead of what it has become, a secondary /r/antifeminists sub. It's time to remove the anti-feminists trolls and get back to fighting the actual problems.
Yeah I mean I'm all for removing trolls and then enjoying the clarity that ensues but I'm no troll, but I do hold a bit of a negative view of feminists, at least hardcore and very woke feminists, because of my experiences talking with them. I'd say they could be trolls there to stoke flames but it wasn't on reddit, it was all on Facebook and in person. So dismissing my experiences or opinions as those of either a troll or someone who's been stoked by trolls is also unfair.
It should be a social norm to ignore sexual assault/harassment accusation unless 1) you are personally involved with either of the party to know enough details or 2) it has been proven guilty in court.
There is simply no reason to give attention to the accusations otherwise.
Spoke to a female friend who was pregnant with a boy. It's going to sound weird but I brought up if they were going to circumcise and she said they will think about it, said that she works with kids and the boys who still have foreskin tend to get infections from using the bathroom and they get into a lot of pain... To me that's just a terrible excuse, as a parent you should teach a child how to clean himself. Was actually at a loss for words that it's completely fine to do to your kid because he MIGHG get an infection.
When I was younger my Dad would proudly tell me the story of how they automatically do it and how he had to make sure they didn't. I never understood why this was so important until I got older.
Outside of the US 99% of men are not circumsized and foreskin infections are extremely rare. I don’t understand. Besides, can’t female labia get infected too if US bathrooms are so unclean? It’s all very hypocritical when you think that circumcision was encouraged by religious puritans to prevent boys from the sin of masturbation...
You'd be surprised, this is the mentality in South Africa.
And yes it is strange who is pushing for circumcision in the religious sphere. Really bizzare to see Christians push for it when circumcision isn't part of the law. There are also cultural groups who require boys to become circumcised later in life as a path to manhood.
It's really bizarre that any Christians would advocate for circumcision. The New Testament specifically states that we must not circumcise since that was a sign of the old covenant before Jesus. There's at least one whole chapter dedicated to this and the Apostle Paul had several rants about the subject of circumcision
If your friend is afrikaans, circumcision isn't really expected. In some of the more traditional black communities it is part of process of "becoming a man" which I have serious issues with. English South Africans I don't know too much about. If she's seriously considering it, she may be part of a more orthodox sect.
Either way I would suggest that you suggest to her to talk to a medical professional about it to get accurate information, but it truly has no impact on hygiene and health of a penis if proper care is taught. With that said there are some cases in which the foreskin has grown closed around the tip of the penis, so surgery is required for that, but it is fairly uncommon
Funny enough there was actually a "controversial" movie that got banned here that I believed criticized the act in the black community, and there was outrage (not sure from who) because it also criticized other aspects of the culture.
Thats a total lie. Boys do not get infections from having foreskin. Not at all. Theres an entire continent of european men, twice as many as in the US. None of us are getting infections from remaining the way we were born.
It’s hard to imagine anything more silly. How would the human race, or any animal evolve to have a critical flaw that requires surgery to fix? If early man was always getting penile infections then evolution would have removed the foreskin. It is arrant nonsense.
American men: the only mammals on earth that require post natal surgery to properly function!
This. I'm uncircumcised, most guys I slept with are uncircumcised and infection is not an issue.
Also, the foreskin is fused to the head of the penis (medical terms escape me right now). There is nothing to clean or to get infected until boys get old enough to clean themselves properly. Of course that would require parents to talk about genitals with their children...
Exactly; the only reason infection might occur in later life is if they're either not taught to clean under the foreskin, or if they're medically unable to do so
Do dudes there have a weird habit of rubbing their dicks all over the bathroom? If not, I fail to see how a dirty bathroom gonna be causing a pandemic of dick infections.
It’s hard to imagine anything more silly. How would the human race, or any animal evolve to have a critical flaw that requires surgery to fix?
Just for the sake of arguing but that's not unheard of. Appendix removal surgery is a thing.
Besides, many countries apart from the US have a high rate of circumcised men.
Been following Mew2King since about 2018, so not to long, but goddamn do I have massive respect for him. He's known as one of the "five gods" in melee, and one of the best players to ever play the game. The Smash Brothers competitive and professional scene are experiencing a TON of allegations against top players, a lot of which are legitimate and the players confessing to. Some however are just like this. Hope your ok M2K, stay safe.
You're just making shit up because this topic is upvoted, I'm not buying any of it, I also see from your post history you're circumcised yourself so this is personal for you and you don't like the practice being criticised.
No, this is you just getting personal because it's circumcision, seen this a hundred times before with circumcised guys who get uppity about men who come forward with their experiences. You don't get to silence people just because a topic makes you uncomfortable. If you have a problem with it, honestly go away, you're not contributing to the conversation because you're here to tell people to shut up.
What part of you don't speak for all men don't you understand? Just because you want to cry about something doesn't mean I don't have a right to tell you that "you don't speak for all men".
You don't just get to live in your echo chamber and silence me because want to. I'm telling people that just because they want something doesn't mean all men do.
You post on a public forum and act like a little bitch when someone opposes you opinion. Shows me you don't have an issue with your circumstances, you have an issue with choices that were made for you.
Every man that I know who has been circumsised loves it. You don't speak for all men, so don't 'call to arms' your beliefs thinking they are the end all.
So injuries like the one he has don't exist?
You seem to think every surgeons is perfect and complications don't exist either.
Not all men who are circumcised are happy about it. what's your point? He don't speak for all circumcised mens just the ones who are in the same situation.
Literally no one did that, you're making shit up and this is you making everything about your circumcision and personal circumstances. Imagine being that much of a self-centred cunt you can't even sympathise with a man who had severe medical problems with his circumcision just because it went fine for you, you really are an absolute prick. The guy has actually got physical problems, this isn't him just bitching, the fact you won't even acknowledge that says a lot about you you indoctrinated halfwit.
I'm not going to let you gaslight your way out of this situation on top of everything else.
How the fuck am I gas lighting you? How am I putting your sanity at risk? You sound like an idiot that doesn't even know what gas lighting means: "manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity."
You're a fucking retard if you still can't realize this post is calling for an end to circumcision and I'm saying OP doesn't speak for everyone.
There was one guy who did that, that's the topic creator mind you I will freely point out that I would like to see circumcision banned but why does that bother you so much? Why are you against the idea of not cutting off part of someone's dick the moment their born? Are you that much of a barbarian you think that it should remain legal just so you can feel better about yourself? Also I use the term gaslighting because you're making out that a topic filled with so many people is automatically against you altogether.
This is what's so fascinating, the mere discussion of circumcision brings guys like you out of the woodworks and you're literally saying "I want people to be able to cut off part of a babies' dick and get away with it" that's what you're advocating for when you advocate for circumcision. It doesn't matter how polite we are on the topic there are always creeps like you hanging about waiting for us to bring it up and you will always attack people over it.
Mew2King? He is one of the Melee greats. I've seen his streams, tournament plays, and generally in other videos. He seems like nothing less than a great guy. This is disgusting the power women have over any man. One lie can literally destroy a man's life, forever.
His (writing on his medical) situation regarding the circumcision was actually leaked a long time ago, which he addressed in the video. He didn't pull it out of thin air.
Mew2k is literally autistic and well known - fondly - for his awkwardness/avoidance in social interaction/communication. But now he's also sharing literally his biggest and most personal secret, which is at the root of a life-long depression.
Did you even watch the video with open eyes or did you go in looking for self-affirmation or some ticket to take up a skeptic/pitchfork role?
The accuser has deleted their twitter, and some other people involved already admitted wrongdoing.
Yeah tbh you should hate being 'that person' a little bit more - I would like to believe you would've realized how stupid your comment is with the slightest bit of consideration and critical inquiry.
No reasons to do lots of things, we still do it. We also do lots of things to children without consent
Don't conflate day to day activities to be on par with medical surgery to remove part of the body.
When it comes to medicine and surgery, the standard to intervene on someone else's body is medical necessity. The Canadian Paediatrics Society puts it well:
Neonatal circumcision is a contentious issue in Canada. The procedure often raises ethical and legal considerations, in part because it has lifelong consequences and is performed on a child who cannot give consent. Infants need a substitute decision maker – usually their parents – to act in their best interests. Yet the authority of substitute decision makers is not absolute. In most jurisdictions, authority is limited only to interventions deemed to be medically necessary. In cases in which medical necessity is not established or a proposed treatment is based on personal preference, interventions should be deferred until the individual concerned is able to make their own choices. With newborn circumcision, medical necessity has not been clearly established.
To override someone's body autonomy rights the standard is medical necessity. Without necessity the decision goes to the patient themself, later in life. Circumcision is very far from being medically necessary.
I dunno. Never thought of it to be a big deal. Seems like there’s better things to be mad about.
This is a fallacy of relative privation:
The fallacy of relative privation rejects an argument by stating the existence of a more important problem. The existence of such a worse issue, the fallacy insists, thereby makes the initial argument irrelevant. This fallacy is also known as the appeal to worse problems or “not as bad as”.
Being mad about people cutting parts of kids dicks off is as valid a reason as any. Why be upset about anything? why not just let pedophiles roam free? gotta be something better to be mad about right, he just touched a kid nbd in your mind right?
The man in the video has a non-functional penis and can never enjoy sex because someone carved off part of his penis without his consent.
I don't know how you can see this as being perfectly fine, and not something that ought to be a crime. Cutting people's genitals is fucked up behavior and should not be allowed. You're so used to thinking that it's normal that you never stopped to think how messed up it really is.
I agree there are more important issues but I think the fact that it has no real positive affects but can harm the patient without their consent just bothers people. Maybe it’s the hypocrisy of feminists constantly saying “my body my choice” or something
How about losing thousands of erogenous nerve endings in a large piece of very sensitive skin that has an important role for both parties in intercourse (and masturbation)? And how about the glans getting a lot less sensitive due to the lack of protection? And how about having to use lube to not dry yourself and the other party out making sex hurt? How about the loss of sexual pleasure that the the foreskin gives to both the man and the woman? How about complications from the unnecessary cosmetic operation that can lead to infections and even death? How about all the botched circumcisions we hear about... and all those we don't hear about. How about the violent, depressive and suicidal tendencies that arise from not being able to enjoy sex due to botched circumcisions?
When you really think about it, and study it, there's a million reasons why not to unnecessarily cut away a significant part of an infant's sexual organ.
I’ve had partners who had major issues with erections and pain because of a circumcision gone wrong. Lots of major negative effects. I’m glad this streamer is bringing this issue to light because it’s not something folks discuss openly.
Did you watch this video? This guy literally can't have sex because of it. There's no reason this had to happen to him. there are no benefits to circumcision that are not overshadowed by the problems.
There are some negative effects that can be caused by not taking proper care of foreskin but that’s more of the parents’ fault for not teaching proper hygeine most of the time. I don’t know that much about this stuff so not everything I say is 100% accurate. I’ve never heard about the insanity thing though
If the foreskin can't be retracted, that is a medically relevant situation where circumcision would be considered... I would suggest a botched (unnecessary) circumcision resulting in erectile disfunction or diminished sensation might be more likely to lead to insanity.
He took a fun and innocent game and bastardized the hell out of it in an attempt to make money, and ridicules anyone who dares to play smash brothers any different than him. If you prefer Brawl or Smash 4, like the rainbow cruise stage, or use Ganondorf, he will see you as less than a human being.
This is the first time cancel culture and #metoo has ever been against someone I hate. It feels weird.
auMatech 3y ago
Watched this on livestreamfails yesterday, was tempted to cross post this here too.
The fact that nobody even came forward during the allegations, meaning they were completely faceless was telling enough, especially considering the person who was spreading them had been doing so with malicious intent.
The fact that it takes someone to openly describe their disability to be believed in this situation is bewildering
otterfailz 3y ago
I feel like nobody came forward because they didnt want to expose mews disability first, but we shall see. Id imagine he will mention the people who contacted him to support him. Remember, not everything these people do is or has to be public so theres a lot that we dont get to see or hear about.
UltimaterializerX 3y ago
Johnny Depp needed what, 93 pieces of evidence?
Ahlruin 3y ago
and even AFTER she was caught on an audio recording feminists still defend her
lapis-lazuli6666 3y ago
Feminists are the true Nazi Party
WillMeatLover 3y ago
Feminists are STILL defending her.
Iamnotcreative112123 3y ago
didn't the official METOO twitter or instagram say that they still sie with her even after all the evidence came out?
az226 3y ago
Feminists like that are a cancer to our society.
ares395 3y ago
I fucking hate that they dare to call themselves feminists while being such pieces of shit.
omegaphallic 3y ago
Why, most forms of feminism are hate movements, this is nothing new.
NorthBlizzard 3y ago
You mean the outspoken ones and leaders of the movement? Where are the loud ones defending Depp and speaking out against it?
asuperbstarling 3y ago
You're not in their communities, so why would you know where they are? Try literally all of tumblr. If you talk like this about feminists I'm willing to bet you're the same kind of guy who called me a 'blue haired feminist cunt' for saying that rape jokes about men were just as unfunny as rape jokes about women in the past. Any sweeping generalizations about something a majority of women are lead women to think you're not worth the conversations it would take for you to realize you're outside their spheres.
parahacker 3y ago
The moment you challenge them on their 'facts' about men, or the victim narrative about women and their idea that patriarchy is the cause, you get excluded from those communities. Here, you get downvoted. There, you get banned.
Source: been banned from pretty much all feminist oriented communities.
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NahIllberight 3y ago
They lack the warmth and depth.
thegenericnameboi 3y ago
what'd the comment say? it got removed
SFM61319 3y ago
You can call them belly buttons (no warmth or depth) :)
Senpai59210 3y ago
Idk there are some pretty deep belly buttons
SnifflyPage1 3y ago
Not all feminists its the radical feminists
bufedad 3y ago
It's not the radical feminists who created and pushed the Duluth Model saying men can't be abused.
It's not radical feminists who convinced the CDC that men being raped by women shouldn't count as rape.
It's not radical feminists pushing believe women.
fucked_by_landlord 3y ago
FYI, that isn’t a radical feminist viewpoint, even if some self identified rad feminists would do so.
I’m a dude and can be accurately described as a radical egalitarian, radical men’s rights supporter and radical feminist because in their heart of hearts, each of those three SHOULD be the same thing. Society should be built around about individual ability and skills, not what you’ve got in your pants.
The “radical” prefix just means that you think that society needs to fundamentally realign in order to reach the goals of equality, where neither men nor women nor my non-binary friends are screwed over for their gender.
Some belly buttons (stealing the insult from above, for belly buttons lack depth and warmth) who call themselves feminists of all stripes are looking for the benefits of equality without the penalties, or are seeking woman supremacy. Metaphorically fuck them in the eye and call them stupid and sexist, because that’s what they are.
(Similarly, there are men’s rights activists who are just misogynistic cocks, and the same goes for them.)
pyschoandie 3y ago
U mentioned us nbs awww
SnifflyPage1 3y ago
I agree whole heartily with what youve just said, and btw love your name
fucked_by_landlord 3y ago
Thanks! This used to be a throwaway account where I posted on r/Legaladvice because my landlord was (metaphorically) fucking me!
helsquiades 3y ago
Are they?
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RuMoirin 3y ago
All men are logical and don't base their decisions of emotion? Lmao stop with the misogyny.
Based on the evidence, Amber heard should pay up damages and perhaps some jail time (I'm no judge) . The Metoo movement isn't perfect but their support of Heard is moronic since it takes away the believability of victims. They should drop her.
Edit: downvoted lol? Please control your emotions, it's just reddit. x
Kryto-Kun 3y ago
"all men are logical and don't base their decisions off emotion?" This is what I was on about. that's not what I said, you've gotten emotional and came up with an illogical response.
nothing wrong with being illogical at all but it IS a feminine trait. I'm not a misogynist, I love women. I'm just being honest even though it's not what feminists want to hear.
RuMoirin 3y ago
Anyone disagreeing with you, isn't being emotional and illogical. No need to get riled up, kiddo.
Incorrect. That isn't honesty, it's generalisation with a tad of misogyny to state that women are illogical and men are logical.
Your statement is quite illogical since statistically speaking, an entire population of women can't all be illogical nor an entire population of men logical.
Everyone can be emotional and illogical. Men are not emotionless humans and women are not devoid from logic.
Based on your own wording and defense, I'd say you should calm down and perhaps go out more to see the full spectrum of human behaviour. x
Guru_Gracia 3y ago
This.
Kryto-Kun 3y ago
again that's not what I said. you weren't just disagreeing with me. you put words into my mouth.
being logical is just a masculine trait while being emotional is just a feminine trait.
most men are masculine & most women are feminine. not to say that men can't be emotional, nothing wrong with it at all. but it's still a feminine trait.
and sometimes I just can't be arsed saying "most but not all" when I'm making generalisations & i shouldn't have to because it should go without saying that there are exceptions to every rule. you don't need to point it out. we know humans are complex.
now what I've said isn't misogynistic at all. for it to be misogynistic you'd have to believe that being logical is superior to being emotional & it's just not. both states of mind are better suited then the other at certain tasks. hence why we see men go into logical stem fields while women perfer more emotional social care work.
Tophat-boi 3y ago
The thing is, saying that women have more tendency to be emotional and men to be radical is, in on itself, a lie.
Everyone has a little of both, and making assumptions based on archaic feminine/masculine categorization of traits.
RuMoirin 3y ago
This is what you said so I'm not putting words in your mouth. Women can make their decision on logic, not only emotions. Same with men. It isn't mutually exclusive.
Emotional is argued to be a feminine trait, though this whole trait and gender thing are just theories based on cultural , spiritual, historal and social constructs and thus not proven with facts. Nonetheless, that does not mean they can't make decisions based on logic. Being illogical is not a trait and rather a negative connotation on both sides of the coin.
Good to see you know the differences in people.
Well that's an assumption. Clearly it didn't go without saying. If you want to convey and defend an argument, articulate it a tad better. Generalisations is just lazy thought work. To assume everyone to know what you mean behind every word is not realistic. Especially on reddit lol.
Ehh, beg to differ. Never said anything about being superior or inferior. Saying women base their decisions on emotions is a pretty dim view to have towards them. Women can make decisions on purely facts, kiddo.
That is because STEM used to be very male dominated and was still quite sexist. Women were historically and culturally not encouraged to pursue careers like this and were encouraged to take on the 'emotional social care' work you speak of.Now more women are joining that field and there is an increase in women having PhDs.Luckily this dynamic is shifting. Same with men in more 'emotional social' work as that is now more accepted.
Anyhoo, good to see you know people are complex. I'll leave it at that. Toodles.
javerthugo 3y ago
I have a friend who still calls him an abuser
f__ckyourhappiness 3y ago
But we can track down who was spreading the rumors and hold them responsible.
auMatech 3y ago
people did, and that person did not assume responsibility at all. They blamed it on various other arbitrary parties (ie. fictional scapegoats) who were supposedly responsible for cooking up the rumor, all the while maintaining that it's "in the past now" and pushing for compassion towards themselves...
f__ckyourhappiness 3y ago
Sounds a lot like they weren't reported for targeted harassment, defamation/libel, and terrorism then. Do we have a name?
Nergaal 3y ago
you can't be blamed of harassment if you target a "majority". just look at the new reddit ToS
f__ckyourhappiness 3y ago
The Chinese make up a vast majority of the entire world's population, yet they're considered a minority.
Reddits ToS have no fangs. Link the name.
billenburger 3y ago
I would like the name as well please
auMatech 3y ago
Not going to post a name since it's technically doxxing and/or incitement to brigading.
shateredmind 3y ago
Feminists and false accusers dox too so we should be able to do the same fuck the rules im tired of seeing these people get away all the time
auMatech 3y ago
And when does the eye for an eye mentality stop? We don't have the luxury of gynocentric bias on our side, so when we do what they do, we actually face consequences
shateredmind 3y ago
We do it anyway its a war and this is the only way to win wake up and realize it
1AttemptedWriter 3y ago
It won't matter because he is a man. White man too so the femisexists will have fun with this.
NoobifiedSpartan 3y ago
Poor M2K... with all the allegations going around, it’s only inevitable that someone would try to accuse him. This is the result of cancel culture and bandwagoning.
Sakura-Kaiba 3y ago
not only has this poor guy been falsely accused and mutilated but he's also been brainwashed into thinking that he's going to a fiery pit underground if he's a bad person. There is no hell it was made up by the church to control people with fear. there is no man goat hybrid underground…
MezzaCorux 3y ago
Awwww :(
SchalaZeal01 3y ago
Well its based on this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_underworld
So it seems 'underground and fiery' because the Greeks saw it that way. Though its 'underground and fiery' regardless of being a good or bad person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethe
And you can see there, that if you didn't need purification or punishment for very bad stuff (which just delayed the process), you reincarnated after forgetting by drinking this river's water...and after becoming complete enough after enough cycles, you had the right to 'rest forever' in Elysium. Which probably translated to heaven, but the Buddhists call it Nirvana.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen
The Christian Church decided to deny the very possibility of reincarnation, after this theologian proposed it as some obvious truth. But the texts were ambiguous enough to go the other way, definitely. They declared any belief in reincarnation to be heresy. It diminished the Church's power over its plebs, because everyone had their own destiny in hand, didn't need a priest or a building, just 'be good and improve'.
Sakura-Kaiba 3y ago
Once you are dead you are dead, no one can rise from the dead. All of these fairytales have been used to kill people and demonize them over many centuries. And it's being used even today…
SchalaZeal01 3y ago
Reincarnating is not 'rising from the dead'. It's reusing the same soul to do other stuff, but you have no prior memories. Or else you'd remember every way which you died, and have perma-PTSD.
Supernumiphone 3y ago
Seems to be what's been keeping him alive. Whether that's a good thing or not is up to you.
Mentat_Logic 3y ago
Christianity teaches that you are evil and worthless without the help of God. That is part of the brainwashing. I imagine this has an impact on his depression. Personally, i felt much better after i left Christianity. I didn't necessarily have fewer depressing thoughts but i did have better ways of coping with them.
MBV-09-C 3y ago
The side effect is that it made him suicidally depressed before telling him he would burn for eternity if he killed himself. That's like if your foot started rotting from gangrene and I told you that if you cut it off, I'll shoot you. At least you get to keep your foot though, right?
I understand you're trying to look for the good in this, but it ain't that, Chief.
Supernumiphone 3y ago
You think his beliefs made him depressed and not his physical condition? In other words, if he had been raised without that belief system he'd be just fine and happy?
MBV-09-C 3y ago
I think the beliefs that were imposed on him did, yes, because without the belief that he needed to be circumcised in the first place, his physical condition wouldn't have happened.
Supernumiphone 3y ago
Plenty of people do that without religion. If he said in that stream that it happened to him specifically due to religion I missed it. In a lot of areas it's just what's expected and religion doesn't factor into it.
MBV-09-C 3y ago
It may not have been strictly because of religion, and if it wasn't, then yeah, he wouldn't have been happy either way. But one thing that stuck with me during his talk about hell was that I'm pretty sure he says that his mom told him that "God knows your thoughts" or something close to that, and that doesn't bode well coming from a parent imo.
Millstone50 3y ago
END GENITAL MUTILATION
Dr_Papernipples 3y ago
I couldn’t finish it man. Watching him slowly break down all because they cut his foreskin off mainly because of religious and appearance purposes, it’s just overall heartbreaking.
DifficultContext 3y ago
I have been telling people for years, male circumcisions are not needed outside of medical reasons. All the women I spoke with said they would do it to their sons because it looks better. Bitch, are you going to fuck your son? No, then leave his junk alone.
ares395 3y ago
That's just all kind of fucked, I'll leave it at that.
Also glad that I live in Europe, where it's not a common practice to cut off a part of your children's genitals because you feel like it.
memescauseautism 3y ago
I really can't fathom how up their own asses people can be. They're unironically defending taking away a boy's control over his own body and potentially ruining his genitalia in the name of their own aesthetic preference, like it's their moral right as a parent to do that. It's just so fucked up to me.
DifficultContext 3y ago
Years ago, I read an article on why circumcisions were popular here and how back in the day, it was standard to do so. It spoke about how surgeons could make an additional 35K a year from just circumcisions which was one biggest reasons it was pushed on parents under the guide of being healthier for the boy.
memescauseautism 3y ago
Astonishing. I'm glad that is not the case where I live, yet I weep for the young males that never even got to choose whether or not to go through the mutilation that is removing one's foreskin. I hope we can end this barbaric practice soon.
DifficultContext 3y ago
My girlfriend said she would prefer a circumcision if we were married and had a boy. I asked her why, she said that he may not clean himself. I told her that that if we TEACH him to clean himself, he will never have a problem.
It is all about the look and lack of desire to make an effort and TALK with your son about his dong.
Oh, yeah, let's mutilate you without consent so I can avoid having a simple, five minute talk with you.
LadyKnight151 3y ago
Please keep that red flag in mind if you ever consider getting married
DifficultContext 3y ago
I already told her no circumcisions and I will never get married without a pre-nup that does not require me to pay alimony or child support as I will fight for full custody.
May be a bachelor for a long while but better to be single than financially raped.
LadyKnight151 3y ago
Good on you for sticking to your principles. It may make things harder now, but I'm sure it'll be worth it in the long run
HeJind 3y ago
I feel the need to point out here that its not just for "aesthetic purposes". For example, the CDC still recommends circumcision. It reduces the risk of HIV by 50-60%. It reduces the risk of herpes, HSPV-2. And HPV by 30%.
For female partners of circumcised men; the risk of HR-HPV for female partners was reduced by 28%, the risk of bacterial vaginosis was reduced by 40%, and the risk of trichomoniasis was reduced by 48%. Source.
It is fine to be against circumcision, but let's be truthful about the benefits of it as well.
throwaway12459872340 3y ago
These numbers are extremely misleading, as they represent a RELATIVE risk reduction, not an ABSOLUTE risk reduction. This misleading statistic was explicitly created with the goal of getting parents to agree to genital mutilation, while at the same time ignoring or and denying every benefit the foreskin has.
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Watch Eric Cloppers presentation "Sex and Circumcision, an American love story".
haruame 3y ago
cutting off your tits reduces your chance of breast cancer, too!
JohnnyAppleweed_1984 3y ago
Why should we point out those insignificant and otherwise mitigatable factors, when the CDC and other medical organizations do not point out the immense harm and even lethality of circumcision when counseling parents on the decision?
Those numbers are ridiculous anyway, and are obviously either completely fraudulent or heavily cherry-picked to sell the narrative.
HeJind 3y ago
How are these things insignificant but you bring up lethality?
Source.
Source.
There is literally tons of research on this. You are spouting nonsense.
Dr_Papernipples 3y ago
You do realize doctors get a huge amount of money just for circumcising, same way doctors hand out adhd medicine like candy after a 15 minute interview, they get income, there’s a reduced risk of HIV cool, while 1% of the american population gets a botched circumcism, which you can tell yourself 1% isn’t a lot but doing the math that’s around 20-30 million people, if foreskin was the main reason for HIV sure then I could see why people would do it, but don’t believe most data especially coming from people who get handsomely paid and we’re taking at numbers of 35k more money, as evidence to support why you should circumcise. Frankly I don’t give a fuck what your claimed evidence is or what you say about the situation, it’s wrong, you should not take an infant child and cut it, it make that decision for itself later on, also from your perspective you come from a place of “it reduces HIV” but i’ve had conversations with MULTIPLE people and never once has anyone brought that argument into it, so yes people mostly do it for either religion or cosmetics.
MarvelGeek5321 3y ago
I've loved Mew2King since 2016, and this is extremely fucked up and sad.
RealButterchu 3y ago
Thanks for giving me his username! I just followed him and I’m planning on watching his next stream!
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Dracci 3y ago
He streams a lot more than he used to recently. I've been following Melee and M2K since like 2009. Smash community is suffering a major #metoo plague at the moment.
What started as a couple of bad apples that got exposed turned into a giant finger pointing contest and massive cancel culture.
.#Metoo cancel culture is currently killing the community.
EDIT: here's his twitch if you're interested https://www.twitch.tv/mew2king
SirYouAreIncorrect 3y ago
If you are not promoting an OnlyFans account Twitch does not want you on the platform...
There has to be some kind of connection between Twitch and OnlyFans
Breaker-of-circles 3y ago
Aren't onlyfans just plain old simple porn? Is that what "women empowerment" has come down to?
Quinnie2k 3y ago
I would say its maybe the rapists and pedophiles and not the movement thats killing the community, but thats just me.
zaapas 3y ago
I would not say that just because you know you can find one anywhere. Imagine calling all people of a profession pedophiles because we found some pedo working in it. So are we all pedophiles? That's just dumb And an excuse to point fingers, just like racism.
Dracci 3y ago
Nah it's cancel culture. Knee jerk reactions to alot of this stuff.
As I said there are, a few bad ones that needed to fess up but many of these are either fake or grossly misinterpreted.
Just going to say, I still don't fucking understand how two people being drunk off their rocker means the guy committed rape somehow.
auMatech 3y ago
Because somehow women aren't held accountable for their actions thanks to a glaring feminist standard that has been pushed for too long now.
stillSmotPoker1 3y ago
Your one sided bias is showing. Let's just forget about the false accusers and gold diggers because it's okay for that shite. They don't count.
dm_me_aboutyourday 3y ago
Seems to me that there have been more confirmed bad apples than false accusations in Smash right now. This one case sucks, yes, but it's not worth scrapping the whole objective of removing predators.
auMatech 3y ago
It's also not worth abandoning all the falsely accused just because some were confirmed.
They all need to be handled on a case by case basis rather than via generalisations and social media.
Otherwise we risk cases like m2k
PlayStationDreamCast 3y ago
This is so fucked up.
spoondadude 3y ago
This is especially sad for those of us who felt so connected to the smash community and felt really accepted due to the diversity you see in the community and how it accepts all people.
Byroms 3y ago
Ehh the smash community can be pretty toxic towards its best players. Especially Melee. The five gods(which mew2king was a part of) all got a lot of hate, most of all Hungrybox. Dude got a crab thrown at him for winning at one point.
spoondadude 3y ago
Oh for sure, there’s toxicity in every gaming community but Hbox was a different story because of his unique playstyle and his actual personality. People didn’t want him to be one of the faces of melee because of his cheating and rudeness but they’re all pretty loved now.
unabashedXY 3y ago
Lmao hbox didn’t cheat
spoondadude 3y ago
On his gf’s lol
Byroms 3y ago
Regardless of his personality, he was a damn hard worker. He was a full time student and engineer before he quit his job to become the best.
Not to mention, there are a lot worse players out there who aren't as haten, like Leffen who is toxic af.
unnoticedchance 3y ago
Being hard working doesn't excuse you from being an asshole and you're blind if you think people don't also vehemently hate Leffen
spoondadude 3y ago
Yeah he did sacrifice a lot for his career and the community. I’ve even seen clips of him helping smashers with their homework during tournaments because for those that don’t know, colleges and universities are hot spots for tournaments. Eventually he did become the reigning, undisputed number one melee player in the world when it was at its most popular. It’s like when a CEO does something controversial and steps down but hbox caught flack for his cheating and his playstyle, which players didn’t want casuals to see and think of the entire community playing like that which most of the community branded “boring”. Leffen is also a special case because his role was always the “villain”. A ruthless, punishing and technical fox player that became the first player since the era of the five gods began to defeat all five gods and win a major. He was toxic no doubt, but he never represented the melee community.
Byroms 3y ago
Hbox is seen by the melee community the same way the melee community is seen by the rest of the fighting game community. I'd also say Leffen wasn't really a villain, considering a lot of people defend his toxicity, as opposed to Hbox, who adopted a villain persona and got shit for it. His cheating really shouldn't matter in regards to respecting him as a competitor, which a lot of people don't do. I recommend checking out EmpLemons "Never ever" video about Hbox.
point5_ 3y ago
There was also death threats
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spoondadude 3y ago
That’s true but if it was some rando that’s different than someone who was becoming the face of the community and representing the community in all things they were invited to (i.e. podcast’s, tv shows, presentations, announcements and events)
They-call-me-MrRight 3y ago
I’m incredibly sad with everything happening in the smash community and I felt even worse when I found out about this, I was planning on buying the dlc, and I likely still will, but it just doesn’t feel the same you know?
forSensibility 3y ago
I wouldn't know what to tell the guy about his injury, I couldn't imagine his feelings and don't think anything I could say would help him. But what I do know is that he also mentioned an inability to socialize, and that he had a hard time with that too over the last 10 years. I don't know about you guys but can we all let him know how eloquent, communicative, and despite his circumstances, seemingly relatable he really is? I would not have guessed he was on the spectrum, and in fact communicates better than a lot of my neurotypical friends.
Another thing I felt after watching this video: this world is a better place with him in it. He just gained a fan in me. He has an important place using that voice of his... Despite the false allegations. I hope his community shows him love because if anyone deserves it, he does.
BruceCampbell123 3y ago
If you tell r/smashbros not to take accusations at face value they down vote the hell out of you. The whole God damn sub is on a witch hunt. It's disgusting. I unsubbed and never will return.
Byroms 3y ago
The same community that threw a fucking crab at a player for winning.
cpu800 3y ago
I was banned 30 seconds after calling a person as sjw in that sub. They are left wing extremists
ksaunders666 3y ago
Dude I just checked out that sub and like 80% of the post in 'hot' were something to do with 'allegations' and 'sexual misconduct'. Really weird sexual fixation over there for whatever reason.
Dracci 3y ago
The entire smash community is on a giant #metoo witchunt and it's killing the entire community. What started as a few bad apples getting exposed has now evolved into a giant attention whoring contest of finger pointing and wild accusations.
People losing their livelihoods because of twitter mob. Fucking cancer
fraynor 3y ago
I mean what do you expect? The top 3 players + more were just revealed and confirmed to be pedos, that’s usually cause to look back at your whole community
HamiltonsGhost 3y ago
MKLeo didn’t do anything wrong , Tweek and Samsora knew about what Nairo did and didn’t report to the police, which is bad, but doesn’t make them pedos. Top 3 are not pedos.
fraynor 3y ago
Zero, ally & Zach, nairo and zach
Edit: why are you booing me? I’m right
HamiltonsGhost 3y ago
What you said wasn't true. The top three Smash players are MKLeo, Samsora, and Tweek, and they are not pedos. Nairo is ranked 4th, so you were almost partially correct.
fraynor 3y ago
Well from an outside perspective I really only knew three smashers that we’re into 4/ultimate, nairo, zero, and ally. All previous champions and contenders for #1 spot in a world wide ranking at some point. So I think my comment works fine. They are also much more of a household name than samsora. Nothin to say on mkleo
cpu800 3y ago
A pedophile is someone who is attracted to prepubescent children. Zero talked to a 14 year old which would make him a hebephile, someone who is attracted to postpunescent children.
I can't spell
drakethegreat1 3y ago
Also he was 19 at the time. So its kind of like a senior talking to a freshman. Which happens all of the time. I just hate to see the chaos that is going on in the smash community.
ismelladoobie 3y ago
Those are two words to describe the same person: a piece of shit.
cpu800 3y ago
In many countries in Europe it is legal to have sex with 15 year olds. Aren't you racist towards European countries?
fraynor 3y ago
You’re actually the big brain wojak irl
Dracci 3y ago
Yeah it's actually fucking sad. Some of these people being called violent rapists and predators by Twitter mob of which 90% didn't read any of the evidence presented.
Hurts to see Nairo being called a sociopathic rapist when Captain Zack himself in his own testimony proved the complete opposite. And with Captain Zack already having a track record of blackmail and manipulation, I'm not sure how anyone can call Nairo a predator rapist.
ismelladoobie 3y ago
Lol are you really trying to justify sex with minors just because it’s legal somewhere else?
Do you even know what racism means?
howtopayherefor 3y ago
I get what you're trying to say but the example you gave turned out to actually be true. I don't think it should be innocence until proven guilty but more like 'unknown' until proven guilty. A lot of toxicity came from people who immediately assumed guilt but most came from people immediately assuming innocence (like with the ZeRo example you commented on, where people harassed the accuser because their proof seemed fake). The sub seems to be pretty forgiving once the accused speaks up tho
bjv2001 3y ago
Thats not true at all! What?? Did you see the response to the ZeRo accusations? The attacks people made to Jisu calling it a “weak” accusation among a host of over things. Just because you have 1 example doesn’t mean that you’re right.
Thats being said, ZeRo was absolutely in the wrong. And the amount of people still defending him is disgusting. People here seem to forget that a majority of these accusations are true, and that these accusations have already provided a lot of benefit to banning genuinely bad people. I’m glad you unsubbed because you seem pretty easily convinced of things that don’t have much to support. They should take the accusations seriously, and thats what a lot of people tend to believe when you say “face value”. Its a serious accusation, you should take it really seriously and evaluate the evidence. Often, there is a lot to support the claim.
You seem to be highly overreacting as well, just seems weird you’re that outraged for some reason. I’m all for supporting M2K, but that doesn’t dismiss the rest of it.
who_is_john_alt 3y ago
He fucking admitted to it and people are still downvoting you.
Goddamn people are sort of stupid here
BruceCampbell123 3y ago
No there's not. More often than not it's one person's word against another. With the exception of confessions people shouldn't automatically be believed just because they made an accusation.
Sticking to innocent until proven guilty is not an extreme position. Perhaps you might think it to be and that is a problem.
tomsterextreme 3y ago
They are guilty though. Both Nairo and ZeRo admitted to what they did.
BruceCampbell123 3y ago
I realize that. I have consistently made exceptions for confessions.
tomsterextreme 3y ago
Oh sorry my bad
bjv2001 3y ago
Yes there is? The top 3 people in 2016 are banned, with credible evidence. Notably Nairo and ZeRo
this isn’t court of law its court of public opinion. Yeah, sure, he is innocent until proven guilty. But we don’t have to take a statement with confounding evidence to court to understand its probable validity. They pinned the list of all of the allegations. And everyone is well aware to just understand them as allegations, and generally wait for the response of the accused. That being said there are very damning accusations that are coming out.
BruceCampbell123 3y ago
That's exactly right. It has the power to end someone's career even if there's a complete lack of evidence. That's my complaint.
ShudderingNova 3y ago
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n\_1sraama
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ZeRo did wrote this so I'm not sure what's up.
BruceCampbell123 3y ago
That's why I said that.
bjv2001 3y ago
Except none of the accusations ended careers that were not credible?
Still not seeing your point.
BruceCampbell123 3y ago
They have the ability to and they have before.
bjv2001 3y ago
So do we just ignore the massive benefit they have brought for the ability for them to cause harm? Get real. It was easily proven that M2K, a victim of false accusation, did not do such. At the cost of his perceived dignity, yes, but he has received overwhelming support as a result. So clearly that one didn’t ruin any career. I still don’t see what your point is, and it seems like you’re ignoring the benefit.
These allegations have seen many benefits, and while i’m not even the biggest fan of it, that doesn’t mean they’re bad. I don’t see why you’re taking a stance because of a minutia of problems that result from it.
BruceCampbell123 3y ago
Of course you would jump to the other extreme. That's how you view the world. Either we make allegations over social media and let the mob decide or we let all of the abusers run free. Listen to yourself, do you really not think there are steps between those two points?
bjv2001 3y ago
What do you mean “the other extreme”??? You mean the vast majority?
Thanks for informing me on my own beliefs that you have really demonstrated your knowledge of lmao.
Lets get this straight, false accusations are a minority of the accusations, true allegations are the majority. How is siding with the majority an “extreme” now? You’re quote literally siding with the extreme here?
You created a misrepresentation of what is actually the case and set it to a false equivalence to try and make a point. Yawn, this isn’t even an argument.
can-t-touch 3y ago
Eh, according to strong feminist IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A WOMEN TO MAKE FALSE RAPE ACCUSATION.
RedLeif1000 3y ago
So we can't make jokes about him being on the spectrum or even mention it, but false rape accusations are still on the table?
ForceBru 3y ago
BTW, what does it mean that he's "on the spectrum"?
skylarkeleven 3y ago
he’s autistic
hamstersteaks 3y ago
These people are going on a crusade against people in the smash community and some of them are being exposed as actual child predators while others are falsely accused.
Mew2King didn't deserve this and having a private medical issue brought up like this is fucked up. Just last week another streamer committed suicide after being bullied about numerous things and like thats not enough they bring up false accusations to others. Hes such a good guy and it breaks my heart that this happened to him.
yatinbawa22 3y ago
These girls should be given same treatment the men has felt. Expose them online. No physical pain nothing. Just expose there secrets like they did.
hamstersteaks 3y ago
No one should be dragged like that period. Your false allegations, however, are a defamation of character and he can sue for it. For what this guys been through I hope he does, no one should have to go through this trash.
Mister0Cat 3y ago
This man could have just keep his secret if some people would have know how to behave in a society ! The accusers should go to hell for this ! Prison is too nice for them !
flipitsmike 3y ago
No shame if you own it. Here’s some inspiration .
bird720 3y ago
It's so sad when people hijack the coming forward of actual victims with false accusations towards other people just to try and capitalize in bringing someone down... Makes me lose some faith in humanity.
kirbyateme3433 3y ago
OP met this guy personally because they lived close to eachother
John-McCue 3y ago
You can still assault someone without an orgasm.
VideoGamesAreDumb 3y ago
But he was accused of orgasming; do you have the stupid?
John-McCue 3y ago
An orgasm will not be an issue in a criminal trial for assault. It’s irrelevant. And it’s only an exculpatory statement by the accused anyway. Would you believe Weinstein or Epstein? What about Trump or Bill Clinton? Failure to orgasm has never been a defense to assault. Name-calling is juvenile.
AverageBubble 3y ago
Found the new TD hive.
04fhs 3y ago
Found the man stuck in the circlejerk
austin101123 3y ago
Oh my gosh :( I wasn't expecting to watch as much as I did but I didnt cut it out until they talked about other stuff (moving from jersey to cali).
I want to be respectful about him saying there is no hope, but because he didn't go into specifics I'm hoping maybe he can achieve prostate orgasm or coregasm (whixh can be trained to do)? I'm obviously a rando who wouldn't be able to bring that up to him though.
deadlycrawler 3y ago
this highlights how broken our system is
Decent_Priority 3y ago
That doesn’t sound quite accurate, you have an orgasm because of stimulation of various areas and the orgasm stems from your prostate.
Not having some sensation on part of your penis would not eliminate an orgasm from ever happening again.
Maybe more facts or details need to be posted before assuming this?
BOILERROOMMATCH 3y ago
This doesn’t “break your heart”. You don’t actually care about this man or his issues.
You literally only post shit like this so that you and the rest of the degenerates in here get to pretend you’re all “victims” and not just demented, maladjusted arseholes.
Just admit that this isn’t a story for you and the rest of the lads here - this is propaganda.
UltimaterializerX 3y ago
Yeah I don’t care about a guy I’ve met personally (we used to live pretty close to each other) from a game I used to play borderline professionally.
Fuck off, jackass.
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zaapas 3y ago
Wow what's your problem? We can't talk about it because you think its propaganda? How is it bad then? Try to find a valid answer in your fucked up mind.
Drippinice 3y ago
good argument! I'm sure your screeching will convince someone!
skylarkeleven 3y ago
yet i can guarantee this brand new account of yours is either an Alt or a ban evasion account and your main does nothing but comment on stories about bad things happening to women, but if a man took your comment and flipped the genders to say you don’t care about the woman in your stories, just using it to further an agenda, you’d lose your damn mind
BOILERROOMMATCH 3y ago
If I was sad enough to make an “alt” I’d genuinely, genuinely have killed myself a long, long time ago. I assure you. This shithole came up on popular for some weird reason, so I thought I’d click and remind myself that things could be worse - I could spend every day resenting women for my every failure. It’s good to know there is always somebody worse off than me.
“Wah wah but if wimmin did it!!!”
You should get that put on your gravestone mate. You sound like a whining little cunt. That’s the only reason you have so many issues with women.
skylarkeleven 3y ago
i don’t have issues with women. i advocate for gender equality much more than you clearly do after seeing your comments. You know I can see that your account is 1 day old right? You made this account to talk shit to men like your whole life depends on us.
BOILERROOMMATCH 3y ago
I did nothing of the sort, you perpetual victim. Just because I think you’re all pathetic mutants doesn’t mean everybody else does. Don’t worry!
skylarkeleven 3y ago
so you’re telling me you somehow stumbled on this website, stumbled onto this page, stumbled on this post, and stumbled into posting misandrist comments?
BOILERROOMMATCH 3y ago
I haven’t posted anything “misandrist”. You sound like such a whining little dork. It’s actually sad how warped your mind has become from constantly playing the victim.
This shithole was on the front page. r/popular I believe. I didn’t have to go very far to stumble upon you dribblers.
skylarkeleven 3y ago
men like the one this story is about are victims. it’s pretty deranged that you can’t see that. if this sub was on the front page, good. you still have a now 2 day old account that you’re using to act like a femcel. how’s that -42 karma?
GuyWithTheStalker 3y ago
Guys... Out here there are oodles of men - OODDLES!! - men with low sex drives, high sex drives, average sex drives, big dicks, tiny dick, averages dicks, somebody else's dick - guys who're on psych meds, shit which absolutely fucks patients up, even *if* it's allegedly working, and A LOT of those guys have some suuuuuuuuper funky stories about their dick.
I'm not *against* penis stories here. Don't get me wrong. I just feel like whole anti-male-circumcision thing I see a lot of around here reeaaally isn't the biggest and most important "penis issue" to be talking about.
Bonesteel50 3y ago
I don't really understand what you are saying. Minimizing peoples experiences because.. why?
DarthEquus 3y ago
99% of the time it's some insecure circumcised guy having an emotional reaction to his cognitive dissonance when confronted with the obvious flaws of circumcision and misinterpreting conversation on the practice as a personal attack against his own member
Bonesteel50 3y ago
I know, trying to get him to realize that.
Squeeze_My_Lemons 3y ago
he lost the one function of his penis because of a circumcision
helsquiades 3y ago
He can’t pee?
Squeeze_My_Lemons 3y ago
People can pee without penises. Peeing is the function of the bladder and urethra.
GuyWithTheStalker 3y ago
I'm pretty sure you're not following what's being said here...
u/helsquiades seems to get it. The man might even be a penis doctor for all I know.
helsquiades 3y ago
I pee with my wiener. These people are idiots
GuyWithTheStalker 3y ago
Also, an erection and ejaculation aren't the same thing...
The man in question sounds like a quitter to me, more than likely.
intactisnormal 3y ago
Do you notice your list of items aren't related to circumcision? So involuntary cutting of someone's genitals remains a big issue.
The rest is a fallacy of relative privation:
The fallacy of relative privation rejects an argument by stating the existence of a more important problem. The existence of such a worse issue, the fallacy insists, thereby makes the initial argument irrelevant. This fallacy is also known as the appeal to worse problems or “not as bad as”.
https://academy4sc.org/topic/fallacy-of-relative-privation-all-problems-are-relative/
GuyWithTheStalker 3y ago
Yo....
There are far bigger penis problems out there, and they're literally never brought up on this sub. That strikes me as weird. All I'm sayin'...
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Guys on this sub talk about foreskin so much I feel like I'm having lunch with Hannibal Lector. Ya think that's normal?
MBV-09-C 3y ago
They mutilated his dick so bad it literally doesn't work right, mind explaining what you think a bigger penis problem than making it useless or even painful to function is?
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GuyWithTheStalker 3y ago
Take my energy.
intactisnormal 3y ago
Fallacy of relative privation.
And quite incorrect imo:
The foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis. (Full study.)
Dr. Guest discusses the innervation of the foreskin, how the most sensitive part of the penis is removed by circumcision, the mechanical function of the foreskin and its role in lubrication during sex, and the likelihood of decreased sexual pleasure for both male and partner.
GuyWithTheStalker 3y ago
Alright, well, here's the thing... If you guys like the stimulation of nerves, how they interact, and how they function at least just as much as you you do clumps of removed dick-skin, I'd suspect I'd see more posts on this sub ----------yoooo, fuuuuuck this shit.
Shut the fuck up about your foreskin, bruh. Also, your fallac symbolisms are dumb. They don't even teach that shit in undergraduate logic course. That's not formal logic; it's just shit from a book about how to be an unproductive asshole.
Where do you people read this shit? It's almost as if they taught you incorrectly as part of an onging joke about falac symbols. THAT'S is how dumb this shit is. That conspiracy theory very well could have happened with you guys; THAT's is how gullible you are.
intactisnormal 3y ago
There's lots of posts on this topic.
I don't even know what you're trying to say. I could take a guess, but nah it's on you to make yourself clear.
This is just a weird ad hominem fallacy.
So back to actual, real, medical information!
“Male circumcision decreases penile sensitivity as measured in a large cohort”
“circumcised men reported decreased sexual pleasure and lower orgasm intensity. They also stated more effort was required to achieve orgasm, and a higher percentage of them experienced unusual sensations (burning, prickling, itching, or tingling and numbness of the glans penis). For the penile shaft a higher percentage of circumcised men described discomfort and pain, numbness and unusual sensations. In comparison to men circumcised before puberty, men circumcised during adolescence or later indicated less sexual pleasure at the glans penis, and a higher percentage of them reported discomfort or pain and unusual sensations at the penile shaft.”
“This study confirms the importance of the foreskin for penile sensitivity, overall sexual satisfaction, and penile functioning. Furthermore, this study shows that a higher percentage of circumcised men experience discomfort or pain and unusual sensations as compared with the uncircumcised population. Before circumcision without medical indication, adult men, and parents considering circumcision of their sons, should be informed of the importance of the foreskin in male sexuality.”
GuyWithTheStalker 3y ago
Alright... The point at issue, dawg, is whether foreskin is the biggest Penis Issue facing men right now, so...
How many buys do you think the issue would get in PPV? Sure, effects of medications of dicks effects folks in different ways but to the same-fucking-degree as exotic dick-doctor-malpractice shit, but YOU seem to think that this doesn't matter. YOU are apparently looking for the biggest PENIS PPV DRAW.
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How many buys on PPV would you whole dick skin issue get? I'm thinkin' 200k tops. IDK though...
intactisnormal 3y ago
That is the fallacy of relative privation again.
The fallacy of relative privation rejects an argument by stating the existence of a more important problem. The existence of such a worse issue, the fallacy insists, thereby makes the initial argument irrelevant. This fallacy is also known as the appeal to worse problems or “not as bad as”.
https://academy4sc.org/topic/fallacy-of-relative-privation-all-problems-are-relative
Strawman fallacy, built upon the fallacy of relative privation.
People can fight multiple positions at the same time.
More medical information:
“The effect of male circumcision on sexuality”
“CONCLUSION: There was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure and sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings.”
GuyWithTheStalker 3y ago
Right. ...which makes it weird that this sub doesn't mention shit that can be categorized as "penis issues" but doesn't have to do with foreskin removal. To whom would this sub's narrowed focus on "penis issues" even appeal mostly?
intactisnormal 3y ago
You're free to talk about other items all you want. Really. Go ahead. I don't really care. Make a post and people can vote on it. This entire thread is about circumcision.
But take ED, which can be treated with Viagra and avoided with general health.
Now circumcision. Can't be treated after it's done, the body part is removed. And circumcision can be avoided by following basic medical ethics and respecting others body autonomy. Simple.
It seems our topic is why we should care about circumcision. So here's more medical info:
“Male circumcision and sexual function in men and women: a survey-based, cross-sectional study in Denmark”
"Results: Circumcised men...were more likely to report frequent orgasm difficulties after adjustment for potential confounding factors, and women with circumcised spouses more often reported incomplete sexual needs fulfilment and frequent sexual function difficulties overall, notably orgasm difficulties and dyspareunia."
“Conclusion: Circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties in Danish men and with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment. Thorough examination of these matters in areas where male circumcision is more common is warranted.’
FakinUpCountryDegen 3y ago
Livestreamfails? Are you fucking kidding me? Someone looked at this and saw an opportunity for ridicule?
KidsanxD 3y ago
It's more of a subreddit for noteworthy things that happen while streaming, it's basically a giant highschool drama chatclub. It was posted there because a lot of people would see it, not making fun of M2K.
hereforsolidarity 3y ago
Oh but it’s not genital mutilation because he’s a man :)
-feminists, probably, because yknow that’s what equality is
aycarumbakid 3y ago
No one can generalize on behalf of an entire movement, but I’m a feminist who doesn’t support circumscision (male or female). My heart goes out to the guy in this video.
JoyKil01 3y ago
Feminists most certainly are against MGM and any form of genital mutilation. Not sure where you’re getting that from but there’s plenty to be mad about without spreading false narratives.
zaapas 3y ago
ho yes ? look at how circumcision is presented as male privilege:
"Male circumcision is symbolic of men’s power. Circumcision has always been symbolically connected to male privilege." Quoting a feminist. Who think this is a feminist issue and how men's rights movement is in the wrong on this one. Still presenting MRA like some sexists who want to destroy everything feminism has done for women. Not saying all feminists think like that but that's an article.
TheLemming 3y ago
I told a feminist friend one time that I thought MGM could be interpreted as a feminist issue because it's about people's autonomy with their own bodies. She rolled her eyes so hard I thought she was going to break them, then said "That's literally making feminism about the penis." Then she stopped talking to me. I appreciate where you're coming from, but I don't see that "Feminists most certainly are against MGM"
JoyKil01 3y ago
Man, I’m so sorry to hear y’all’s experiences. I call those “feminazis”. My experiences have been different but I suppose that’s because the feminists I’ve interacted with are more egalitarian—feminism as a means to be equal. Sucks I’m getting downvoted to hell, but it’s a bit eye opening hearing about feminist extremists that y’all seem to know.
TheLemming 3y ago
I agree with the downvoting thing, it's excessive. I appreciate you continuing to respond even though you're probably going to lose karma for it.
I would like to know the egalitarian feminists you know. I'd like to see if they stay egalitarian even when they're talking to, gasp, a white male. I just see so much one upping of victimhood, and then just a complete dismissal of anything I say bc of my demographic. It's frustrating. I would never deliberately do anything to harm feminist causes, but I no longer call myself a feminist bc of it. I used to, but I now don't. Yeah I want to change my tune, I don't like having this devisive opinion, but it's hard for me not to when it's the energy I'm receiving.
Pake1000 3y ago
Feminists? No, they are typically against genital mutilation. Religion though, ones predominately run by male priests and preachers, are your main abusers.
Something else that is worth noting before a bunch of idiots open their mouths is that the person accusing the gamer is another guy who is claiming he heard it as a rumor.
Not surprising that this comment is getting downvoted. This sub has a massive hypocrisy issue. Want to claim it's about men's rights, but everyone is very quiet on here about the abuse brought about by male religious figures. So many on this sub would attack Sinéad O'Connor and defend Pope John Paul II.
MBV-09-C 3y ago
I assume you're not familiar with things like the WHiPT (Women's HIV prevention and tracking) project from ATHENA network then? The tag line I believe was "Making Male Circumcision Work for Women"? Yes, you're reading that right, they actually did call it that, their goal was to start accelerating male circumcision in African countries under the guise that it would somehow lower the number of women getting HIV. Spoiler alert: it didn't, but it was still supported by feminist organizations.
Pake1000 3y ago
The initial studies showed it did work and actually worked in favor of men by reducing their risk by 60%: https://www.who.int/hiv/topics/malecircumcision/en/
It should be the person's choice though and not forced on them because of religious bullshit or parental/guardian preference.
MBV-09-C 3y ago
What exactly am I supposed to be looking at here? I'm just going to point out a few things in no particular order if that's okay.
I see that there's a claim that "There is compelling evidence that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by approximately 60%" yet, I'm not seeing it anywhere in that link.
Even going to the progress briefs, which I would assume would've told me at least how they supposedly reduce infection, but nope, just various graphs about how many men willingly circumcised themselves after being told that it would prevent aids. So either they're just guessing it did and have no idea if they're right or not, or they know and did not bother to include why at all.
On top of that, this isn't even the same project nor is it the same groups.
It's not even really the same topic. You said they were typically against genital mutilation, they're really only concretely against FGM, but I brought up an instance where they actually supported it for us under the guise of 'women's health', and... you decide to instead get sidetracked on how circumcision supposedly benefits men, pretty much deflecting away from the feminism angle and why they were cut to begin with.
Look. it's not mutually exclusive, it can be, and really is, both of those groups supporting this for their own reasons.
Pake1000 3y ago
Because you didn't bother going past the first page. There are more than enough peer reviewed studies that you can read through.
https://www.who.int/hiv/pub/malecircumcision/en/
It's 100% part of the same topic. You brought up ONE group (that doesn't declare itself as being a feminist organization, but a women's health group) that advocates for it based on research that it is effective in reducing HIV transmission. The advocacy group you mentioned brings up that it benefits both sexes, but their focus was on reducing the number of women exposed since more women suffering from the virus in the two countries studied. It also goes beyond that, because they study misconceptions regarding genital mutilation for both sexes.
If we're going to discuss someone getting sidetracked, I said your hatred of feminism sidetracked you from taking time to read about the group you mentioned.
BTW, if you plan to response, do it on your main account and not the sub-specific one. I won't bother replying to any comments you make unless it's from the main.
MBV-09-C 3y ago
My bad on not seeing that page in the link, though I don't know why you didn't just link that one to begin with, I'll read through them.
I'll admit I may have jumped the gun on how much feminism actually supports circumcision, but that one group definitely is associated with feminism, it's quite literally plastered all over their front page, https://athenanetwork.org, I'm just tired of seeing anyone advocating for that bs elective surgery, feminist, religious, or otherwise. I think it's absolutely horrible what happened to M2K, he got it even worse than most of us American men do at birth, and then some asshole decided to falsely accuse him on top of that. I'm not trying to say 'all feminists support it' just that it is actually supported by some of them, though more likely it'll just be brushed off as a lesser or non-issue instead.
And this is my main btw, I don't really care if you choose to believe that or not, I don't use Reddit for much other than this sub, I don't matter enough to worry about in the long run anyway. Good luck.
TheLemming 3y ago
It's probably because most people on here, like me, have seen the absolute shock followed by maybe boughts of hysterical laughter that follows when we suggest MGM might be an issue of importance. All my data is anecdotal so you could be right about feminists being against all forms of genital mutilation including MGM, but that's directly contradictory to all of my personal experiences.
Pake1000 3y ago
You're spending more time attacking feminists over MGM than the religious representatives that created and push for genital mutilation of both sexes. You're not helping by attacking the ally (feminists) in this battle and ignoring the real culprits (religions).
TheLemming 3y ago
I'm very upset with those religious institutions for perpetuating it, I have this conversation with my Jewish family whenever I can. But in this moment, I'm responding to the subject of your comment. I have to admit, your language does not leave a lot of room for good feelings here. Telling me what I'm doing, especially when it's in direct opposition to what I believe I'm doing, isn't a good way to make allies.
And then you're telling me that feminists are my allies in this fight, contradicting my stated experiences, which are, again, the opposite of what you're claiming.
I feel like I'm being a little bit gaslit here.
Pake1000 3y ago
What you claim you are doing and what you are doing are nearly opposites from an outsider's perspective.
Yes, I am. In fact, I honestly question how much time you have spent discussing genital mutilation with a feminist, or any MRA issue. So many of the users on this sub spend their time trashing feminists, but it is clear as day that they have never had an honest discussion with one.
There's this illusion people have here that talking about how much they hate feminists is helping MRA fix male issues. Users here don't actually want to go after the predominate sources of problems, which are the religions and their old ass conservative followers trying to push traditional religious views (e.g. women are to be treated like children and exist to serve to men). While the religious institutions mutilates and sexually abuses thousands and thousands of children without justice, MRA chooses to spend its time attacking feminists as though that is their fault. Like I previously alluded, I bet people on here would sooner attack Sinead O'Conner for being a feminists than attack Pope John Paul II for protecting pedophiles.
TheLemming 3y ago
You can choose to deny or belittle my experiences all you want, and it's not my responsibility to convince some aggressive internet stranger that I've had the conversations I've had. I know I've had them, and the women I've had them with know we've had them. What you find "clear as day" is wrong and I sincerely hope you examine your tendency to label and assume here.
Actually to me it seems clear as day that you're here on r/mra to trash men's rights activists. I think you're a hypocrite.
Btw I agree with your distaste of these big religions and their complicity if not downright maliciousness.
And my experiences being blown off by feminists, hearing things like "I'm drowning in white male tears", and having eyes rolled when talking about circumcision, and my subsequent talking about those experiences, does not mean I hold views like "women are to be treated like children and exist to serve to men". Christ. I'm wondering if you're capable of allowing for subtle differences of opinion or if it's either someone agrees with you completely or they're conservative bigots.
Pake1000 3y ago
I'd like to see this sub return to it's roots where it gave a shit about men's issues instead of what it has become, a secondary /r/antifeminists sub. It's time to remove the anti-feminists trolls and get back to fighting the actual problems.
TheLemming 3y ago
Yeah I mean I'm all for removing trolls and then enjoying the clarity that ensues but I'm no troll, but I do hold a bit of a negative view of feminists, at least hardcore and very woke feminists, because of my experiences talking with them. I'd say they could be trolls there to stoke flames but it wasn't on reddit, it was all on Facebook and in person. So dismissing my experiences or opinions as those of either a troll or someone who's been stoked by trolls is also unfair.
DiamondDiggler 3y ago
It should be a social norm to ignore sexual assault/harassment accusation unless 1) you are personally involved with either of the party to know enough details or 2) it has been proven guilty in court.
There is simply no reason to give attention to the accusations otherwise.
Sallty_Sam 3y ago
This is so sad man. I love M2K's content.
Jaded-Development 3y ago
Stop STOP CUTTING BABY DICKS YOU DUMB RETARDS FUCK
Cholosolo 3y ago
Again. Accusations should only be allowed publicly with a police report. Otherwise it should be considered false at best.
Depressi-n 3y ago
society be like : "Man up"
It's fucking disgusting
NSG666 3y ago
Prayers go out to Jason
Pyro-Bison 3y ago
Spoke to a female friend who was pregnant with a boy. It's going to sound weird but I brought up if they were going to circumcise and she said they will think about it, said that she works with kids and the boys who still have foreskin tend to get infections from using the bathroom and they get into a lot of pain... To me that's just a terrible excuse, as a parent you should teach a child how to clean himself. Was actually at a loss for words that it's completely fine to do to your kid because he MIGHG get an infection.
PleasantAdvertising 3y ago
She made up her mind already
YeahitsToxic 3y ago
Yeah people act like im crazy when I say you shouldnt cut anyone's dick.
Daksexual 3y ago
When I was younger my Dad would proudly tell me the story of how they automatically do it and how he had to make sure they didn't. I never understood why this was so important until I got older.
Super_Scorplane 3y ago
Outside of the US 99% of men are not circumsized and foreskin infections are extremely rare. I don’t understand. Besides, can’t female labia get infected too if US bathrooms are so unclean? It’s all very hypocritical when you think that circumcision was encouraged by religious puritans to prevent boys from the sin of masturbation...
Pyro-Bison 3y ago
You'd be surprised, this is the mentality in South Africa.
And yes it is strange who is pushing for circumcision in the religious sphere. Really bizzare to see Christians push for it when circumcision isn't part of the law. There are also cultural groups who require boys to become circumcised later in life as a path to manhood.
LadyKnight151 3y ago
It's really bizarre that any Christians would advocate for circumcision. The New Testament specifically states that we must not circumcise since that was a sign of the old covenant before Jesus. There's at least one whole chapter dedicated to this and the Apostle Paul had several rants about the subject of circumcision
CircularRobert 3y ago
If your friend is afrikaans, circumcision isn't really expected. In some of the more traditional black communities it is part of process of "becoming a man" which I have serious issues with. English South Africans I don't know too much about. If she's seriously considering it, she may be part of a more orthodox sect.
Either way I would suggest that you suggest to her to talk to a medical professional about it to get accurate information, but it truly has no impact on hygiene and health of a penis if proper care is taught. With that said there are some cases in which the foreskin has grown closed around the tip of the penis, so surgery is required for that, but it is fairly uncommon
Super_Scorplane 3y ago
That’s so f*d up.
And yet I think what bewilders me the most is: why aren’t men speaking up? Why are fathers willing to accept to pertuate that on their sons?
Pyro-Bison 3y ago
Funny enough there was actually a "controversial" movie that got banned here that I believed criticized the act in the black community, and there was outrage (not sure from who) because it also criticized other aspects of the culture.
orbitaldecayed 3y ago
Thats a total lie. Boys do not get infections from having foreskin. Not at all. Theres an entire continent of european men, twice as many as in the US. None of us are getting infections from remaining the way we were born.
It’s hard to imagine anything more silly. How would the human race, or any animal evolve to have a critical flaw that requires surgery to fix? If early man was always getting penile infections then evolution would have removed the foreskin. It is arrant nonsense.
American men: the only mammals on earth that require post natal surgery to properly function!
la_comedia 3y ago
This. I'm uncircumcised, most guys I slept with are uncircumcised and infection is not an issue. Also, the foreskin is fused to the head of the penis (medical terms escape me right now). There is nothing to clean or to get infected until boys get old enough to clean themselves properly. Of course that would require parents to talk about genitals with their children...
Oneill95 3y ago
Exactly; the only reason infection might occur in later life is if they're either not taught to clean under the foreskin, or if they're medically unable to do so
Pyro-Bison 3y ago
I was unaware of this. I don't think she blatantly lied to me but I'm guessing the infections are probably from the really dirty bathrooms they have.
mgtowolf 3y ago
Do dudes there have a weird habit of rubbing their dicks all over the bathroom? If not, I fail to see how a dirty bathroom gonna be causing a pandemic of dick infections.
K3tchM 3y ago
Just for the sake of arguing but that's not unheard of. Appendix removal surgery is a thing. Besides, many countries apart from the US have a high rate of circumcised men.
orbitaldecayed 3y ago
Only countries where the predominant religion demands it. The US is the only country that pretends its a hygiene issue.
usa_numero_uno_1 3y ago
And Canada
sweetpotatuh 3y ago
You’re a creep. None of your business to ask them about their child’s cock.
MBV-09-C 3y ago
I wish someone would've asked my parents about mine, maybe then I'd have still had all of it.
simpslayer888 3y ago
This is why believe all wahmen is a meme
No proof no recourse
Stop ruining men's lives over fake accusations designed to hurt and control
Mrman1653 3y ago
Mew2king is such a good guy even while all this was going on he was one of the best smash bros melee players in the world ❤️
dudebro1243 3y ago
Circumcision whether it's male or female is genital mutilation.
Edit: Spelling
numquamsolus 3y ago
Local climatic conditions are not what you are looking for: it's whether and not weather.
dudebro1243 3y ago
Thanks
numquamsolus 3y ago
Are you aware of the font that makes it easier for dyslexics to read more confidently?
See this.
dudebro1243 3y ago
I have seen it around. Do you know if it is a simple process to add the font to your phone?
numquamsolus 3y ago
These work on iPhones and Android phones.
Good luck.
dudebro1243 3y ago
Thanks
kiingman 3y ago
Been following Mew2King since about 2018, so not to long, but goddamn do I have massive respect for him. He's known as one of the "five gods" in melee, and one of the best players to ever play the game. The Smash Brothers competitive and professional scene are experiencing a TON of allegations against top players, a lot of which are legitimate and the players confessing to. Some however are just like this. Hope your ok M2K, stay safe.
1random_npc 3y ago
Ratbert, fetch the anons.
omegaphallic 3y ago
I hope he sues.
DREAMY-KNIGHT 3y ago
What's his name?
NotGoodAtGamesGuy 3y ago
Jason Zimmerman, better known as Mew2king or M2K
drakethegreat1 3y ago
He goes by mew2king in the smash community.
dikbum 3y ago
You understand you don't speak for all men when it comes to circumcision?
Lethn 3y ago
So what? You don't either.
dikbum 3y ago
I'm not the one acting like it does.
Lethn 3y ago
You're just making shit up because this topic is upvoted, I'm not buying any of it, I also see from your post history you're circumcised yourself so this is personal for you and you don't like the practice being criticised.
dikbum 3y ago
I don't care if it's up voted. Just because it is, doesn't mean you or OP speaks for all men.
I was circumcised at birth, and I couldn't be happier. You want a hill to die on? This is the wrong Hill.
Lethn 3y ago
No, this is you just getting personal because it's circumcision, seen this a hundred times before with circumcised guys who get uppity about men who come forward with their experiences. You don't get to silence people just because a topic makes you uncomfortable. If you have a problem with it, honestly go away, you're not contributing to the conversation because you're here to tell people to shut up.
dikbum 3y ago
What part of you don't speak for all men don't you understand? Just because you want to cry about something doesn't mean I don't have a right to tell you that "you don't speak for all men".
You don't just get to live in your echo chamber and silence me because want to. I'm telling people that just because they want something doesn't mean all men do. You post on a public forum and act like a little bitch when someone opposes you opinion. Shows me you don't have an issue with your circumstances, you have an issue with choices that were made for you.
Every man that I know who has been circumsised loves it. You don't speak for all men, so don't 'call to arms' your beliefs thinking they are the end all.
zaapas 3y ago
So injuries like the one he has don't exist? You seem to think every surgeons is perfect and complications don't exist either. Not all men who are circumcised are happy about it. what's your point? He don't speak for all circumcised mens just the ones who are in the same situation.
Lethn 3y ago
Literally no one did that, you're making shit up and this is you making everything about your circumcision and personal circumstances. Imagine being that much of a self-centred cunt you can't even sympathise with a man who had severe medical problems with his circumcision just because it went fine for you, you really are an absolute prick. The guy has actually got physical problems, this isn't him just bitching, the fact you won't even acknowledge that says a lot about you you indoctrinated halfwit.
I'm not going to let you gaslight your way out of this situation on top of everything else.
dikbum 3y ago
How the fuck am I gas lighting you? How am I putting your sanity at risk? You sound like an idiot that doesn't even know what gas lighting means: "manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity."
You're a fucking retard if you still can't realize this post is calling for an end to circumcision and I'm saying OP doesn't speak for everyone.
Lethn 3y ago
There was one guy who did that, that's the topic creator mind you I will freely point out that I would like to see circumcision banned but why does that bother you so much? Why are you against the idea of not cutting off part of someone's dick the moment their born? Are you that much of a barbarian you think that it should remain legal just so you can feel better about yourself? Also I use the term gaslighting because you're making out that a topic filled with so many people is automatically against you altogether.
This is what's so fascinating, the mere discussion of circumcision brings guys like you out of the woodworks and you're literally saying "I want people to be able to cut off part of a babies' dick and get away with it" that's what you're advocating for when you advocate for circumcision. It doesn't matter how polite we are on the topic there are always creeps like you hanging about waiting for us to bring it up and you will always attack people over it.
point5_ 3y ago
I thought of posting this here but I didn’t because it’s something he clearly didn’t want to share. He only did because he had to.
This isn’t the only case, there’s also gimr which was false.
I think because a lot got rightfully accused, some jumped on and try to get clout which is disgusting.
principal_principle 3y ago
Long form is coming back. Fuck the bs headlines. Let’s listen to the actual story
LordDiamyo 3y ago
Mew2King? He is one of the Melee greats. I've seen his streams, tournament plays, and generally in other videos. He seems like nothing less than a great guy. This is disgusting the power women have over any man. One lie can literally destroy a man's life, forever.
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u_can_AMA 3y ago
Yeah tbh you should hate being 'that person' a little bit more - I would like to believe you would've realized how stupid your comment is with the slightest bit of consideration and critical inquiry.
Dj_Woomy2005 3y ago
So much fucked up shit in the smash community
ausgamer529 3y ago
I can't orgasm either. Guess there is club of us now
thwip62 3y ago
It's fairly common. I require help to get there.
ausgamer529 3y ago
I feel nothing that lasts. after everything is done i feel absolutely nothing...well not nothing...i feel shame
awdre34 3y ago
Is it because you're circumcised?
ausgamer529 3y ago
Yes I'm 99. 9 percent sure
RichManSCTV 3y ago
Probably not.
ausgamer529 3y ago
It fucking is you retard
RichManSCTV 3y ago
Sorry, try English
ausgamer529 3y ago
I am speaking English dipshit
RichManSCTV 3y ago
You need mental help. Here are some resources https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/talk-to-someone-now/
ausgamer529 3y ago
Fuck off mate
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rodrigogirao 3y ago
What's so bad about amputating part of someone's genitalia without consent or valid medical reason? Gee, I don't know.
thwip62 3y ago
Haven't you been paying attention?
baggyrabbit 3y ago
It can go horribly wrong. Why take the risk? Did you watch the video? The guys life has been utterly obliterated by it.
yuuhless 3y ago
It’s a medical procedure performed on someone without their consent. In some cases it can harm the child and there are no reasons to do it
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baggyrabbit 3y ago
Good point. Let's not circumcise them then. If/when they're old enough and DO want circumcised, they can take themselves to the doctor.
intactisnormal 3y ago
Don't conflate day to day activities to be on par with medical surgery to remove part of the body.
When it comes to medicine and surgery, the standard to intervene on someone else's body is medical necessity. The Canadian Paediatrics Society puts it well:
http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision
To override someone's body autonomy rights the standard is medical necessity. Without necessity the decision goes to the patient themself, later in life. Circumcision is very far from being medically necessary.
Even though I don't have to show harm, I will:
The foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis. (Full study.)
For more information on the detailed anatomy and role of the foreskin, I recommend watching this presentation from Dr. Guest as he discusses the innervation of the penis, the mechanical function of the foreskin and its role in lubrication during sex, and the likelihood of decreased sexual pleasure for both male and partner.
This is a fallacy of relative privation:
The fallacy of relative privation rejects an argument by stating the existence of a more important problem. The existence of such a worse issue, the fallacy insists, thereby makes the initial argument irrelevant. This fallacy is also known as the appeal to worse problems or “not as bad as”.
https://academy4sc.org/topic/fallacy-of-relative-privation-all-problems-are-relative/
Golisten2LennyWhite 3y ago
Try again
yuuhless 3y ago
Most things done to children without consent are necessary such as medical care
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Bonesteel50 3y ago
Being mad about people cutting parts of kids dicks off is as valid a reason as any. Why be upset about anything? why not just let pedophiles roam free? gotta be something better to be mad about right, he just touched a kid nbd in your mind right?
PleasantAdvertising 3y ago
Stop complaining about your life, children in Africa are starving!
See what I did there?
chocoboat 3y ago
The man in the video has a non-functional penis and can never enjoy sex because someone carved off part of his penis without his consent.
I don't know how you can see this as being perfectly fine, and not something that ought to be a crime. Cutting people's genitals is fucked up behavior and should not be allowed. You're so used to thinking that it's normal that you never stopped to think how messed up it really is.
yuuhless 3y ago
I agree there are more important issues but I think the fact that it has no real positive affects but can harm the patient without their consent just bothers people. Maybe it’s the hypocrisy of feminists constantly saying “my body my choice” or something
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The-Inquisit0r 3y ago
How about losing thousands of erogenous nerve endings in a large piece of very sensitive skin that has an important role for both parties in intercourse (and masturbation)? And how about the glans getting a lot less sensitive due to the lack of protection? And how about having to use lube to not dry yourself and the other party out making sex hurt? How about the loss of sexual pleasure that the the foreskin gives to both the man and the woman? How about complications from the unnecessary cosmetic operation that can lead to infections and even death? How about all the botched circumcisions we hear about... and all those we don't hear about. How about the violent, depressive and suicidal tendencies that arise from not being able to enjoy sex due to botched circumcisions?
When you really think about it, and study it, there's a million reasons why not to unnecessarily cut away a significant part of an infant's sexual organ.
JoyKil01 3y ago
I’ve had partners who had major issues with erections and pain because of a circumcision gone wrong. Lots of major negative effects. I’m glad this streamer is bringing this issue to light because it’s not something folks discuss openly.
Bonesteel50 3y ago
Did you watch this video? This guy literally can't have sex because of it. There's no reason this had to happen to him. there are no benefits to circumcision that are not overshadowed by the problems.
yuuhless 3y ago
Most of the time it’s not dangerous but it can be sometimes (as shown in this post)
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yuuhless 3y ago
There are some negative effects that can be caused by not taking proper care of foreskin but that’s more of the parents’ fault for not teaching proper hygeine most of the time. I don’t know that much about this stuff so not everything I say is 100% accurate. I’ve never heard about the insanity thing though
baggyrabbit 3y ago
Most countries don't circumcise. I don't think insanity is an issue.
obahuds 3y ago
If the foreskin can't be retracted, that is a medically relevant situation where circumcision would be considered... I would suggest a botched (unnecessary) circumcision resulting in erectile disfunction or diminished sensation might be more likely to lead to insanity.
PleasantAdvertising 3y ago
You know you sound insane right?
Bonesteel50 3y ago
Why do you feel the need to defend circumcision?
LivesDontMatter 3y ago
WTF does a legitimate question get downvoted like this?
Preform_Perform 3y ago
This guy is an asshole, though. It is very, very hard for me to sympathize with him.
VideoGamesAreDumb 3y ago
Go to hell
Preform_Perform 3y ago
For someone who thinks VideoGamesAreDumb, you seem to have quite a steak in this.
VideoGamesAreDumb 3y ago
You actually think my name is serious? Fucking idiot, go to hell.
Preform_Perform 3y ago
You said that already. Words lose power each time you reuse them.
Do it again.
drakecherry 3y ago
faggit
goatmicrowaverave 3y ago
How is he a asshole
Preform_Perform 3y ago
He took a fun and innocent game and bastardized the hell out of it in an attempt to make money, and ridicules anyone who dares to play smash brothers any different than him. If you prefer Brawl or Smash 4, like the rainbow cruise stage, or use Ganondorf, he will see you as less than a human being.
This is the first time cancel culture and #metoo has ever been against someone I hate. It feels weird.
zaapas 3y ago
Are you a 6year old? Because that's just not mature. Get over it. It's called humor.
Preform_Perform 3y ago
Ain't it supposed to be funny for it to be called humor? Really joggin my noggin here.
zaapas 3y ago
Don't know this guy but what you said is pretty funny to me.
Preform_Perform 3y ago
For something you think is funny, you are getting your panties in a bunch very easily. To quote you
"Get over it. It's called humor."
Checkmate. Next time you are going to troll, try to keep your internal logic consistent.
zaapas 3y ago
That's not the way thongs goes men. But I really don't know how you took what he said seriously. If he said those things.
Cbrandel 3y ago
People in 2020 cutting their babies foreskin still legal in a lot of countries. Smh.
feminismIsMisandry0 3y ago
And yet even here you have a kind of mystical adoration. Is this just a whiner's subreddit?
chocoboat 3y ago
TIL thinking it should be illegal to cut off parts of other people's bodies is "whining"