It's not my main concern these days as I'm generally pursuing my purpose, but it's something I've noticed for a while and just wanted to get some thoughts on this today.
I will preface by saying I am 100% confident that my game used to be very tight, and consistently so for years, so by all accounts the knowledge and experience is still in there, but the blade is dull so to speak. I'm aware of this.
The issue I'm having is that I'm very very lazy and direct with my approach towards women now, and much more often than not I am fumbling girls I know I could have if I wasn't approaching in this sledgehammer way, but I can't seem to stop myself from doing it. I'm far too direct, and impatient - ie, I'm just lazy now and frankly lacking any of the charm I once had too. On the plus side, I am still bold and outcome independent, but it's too scorched earth and isn't working because I'm not establishing a level of rapport first like I used to. I don't know why I'm doing this when I know better. Some girls it works with if they're already attracted, but mostly it just doesn't work. It's as though I've become autistic.
Another thing is, I just don't care enough to pursue girls like I used to if they aren't as receptive. In the past, I'd be slightly more persistent, but now the minute I sense it going no where, I'm out of there. That said, I do want to get laid like a Warlord again. So I'm stuck.
tdlr: I'm not getting any women because I'm too direct and impatient.

Vermillion-Rx Admin 2w ago Stickied
Ffs man you quite literally post the same problem every single time on here
Go make friends and go talk to everyone.
90% of talking to women is the exact same as talking to everyone else. There is almost no discernable difference between talking to anyone and talking to women
The other 10% is game and being attractive and not being unattractive
Dude, you just DO NOT want to take advice and you just want to bitch and whine about it month after month because you are being too anti-social to fix your social skills
Edit:
You could quite literally talk to them like a platonic friend and a fair amount of them will still be interested if you have any value. You don't even need to run game at all on many of them if you have value and have social skills and just make basic plans
It's not optimal but the bar is actually that low if you've done anything to take care of yourself. The average man is nowhere near any semblance of competition
Lone_Ranger 3 2w ago
jeepers - i just wrote almost the same post! and then saw yours.
I agree with Vermillion. he gets it.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2w ago
Thanks man
Cc: @MidgetSpinner
SwarmShawarma 2w ago
Just reading "Models" and the dude describes his mate that was awkward as hell, couldn't communicate well, but was initiating touch early and often and despite all his downsides was very effective
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2w ago
The guy in "Models" who opened every girl asking if he could stick it in the butt and always had a girl at the end of the night?
Yeah, if you are just fun and natural and just go for talking to women you'll do well
Assuming you're not incredibly unattractive you'll do fine at least being consistently fun and having some kind of rapport even if it's not for everyone you meet
SwarmShawarma 2w ago
The butt guy wanted to pee in it.
Then there was an awkward one to talk to separately.
Lone_Ranger 3 2w ago
A woman once begged me to piss in her vagina while we were having sex. i tried. its impossible.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2w ago
Oh gotcha lmao now I remember
ExConvictNowMillionaire 1w ago
Flirting & small talk in general is like oil. It needs a proper warmup before it becomes smooth. Cant expect an engine to run smooth on cold oil mate.
Small talk, escalate, fail, repeat & after a few encounters the muscle memory kicks in & you're back in the game.
^ Based on my own experience btw
Lone_Ranger 3 2w ago
here's a top tip:
Just talk to women as if they were some random dude. Seriously. Hear me out.
We all know that putting pussy on a pedestal is a losers game. But also, it gives them the ick. I think you need to rethink the entire concept of 'game'. You say 'my game is pretty tight'.
Next time you're talking to a woman, just pretend she's not a woman. Just pretend she's a cool dude that you kind of know around campus (picking uni as an example). Just chat with her, poke some fun in a kind way, have a few jokes. And then say ' ok see you around' and walk on.
This is the low key, ultra casual, no stakes, low investment interaction that you need. You need to actually NOT CARE where interactions lead to. True outcome indifference is key. You cannot fake it. you have to be genuinely disinterested in the outcome. you must be acutely aware that there hot women in tight yoga pants are everywhere, and that none is irreplaceable.
Some people call it nonchalance. But women see this as confidence and it's the mark of a guy that has his shit together, does not even have to try to pull.
I do quite a bit of public speaking, sort of lecture events. A coach once told me to pick a random friendly face, and just orientate your lecture to them. Just explain it to one person, and then the presentation feels more natural. Actors do this too. The imagine that they have an audience of one person.
So talking to women, just imagine that she is a dude. You don't need to impress this dude, you're just chatting, making friends, enjoying the hang.
That will get you 90% there. That is what confidence looks like to a chic. No need for game, no need of negging or dissing. No need to put in a 'performance'.
MidgetSpinner 2w ago
I see what you and Vermilion are both saying, and you're right.
My game 'used' to be tight a long time ago, and then gradually flat lined as I began to hide myself away for the following years after (last 5-6 years). Had a mental breakdown after stupidly trying some strong hallucinogenics at a party once, and that's what triggered the isolation. That's also why I'm in and out of these forums making similar posts month to month, because I feel like I'm stuck in first gear when I know I've got more gears in me.
Anyway, I'm not here for a therapy session. The advice you've given me is not the most Red Pill advice either, yet it makes the most sense. It's a much more natural approach to game, which I think at my stage right now, is necessary.
Talking to women normally is fine for me though, I just honestly don't do it enough. I'm diving into the deep end trying to reclaim who I was, when I need to learn to paddle again. I'm certain I'll find those extra gears eventually, but I need to stop trying to force myself into them and relax. Appreciate this, man.
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First-light 2 2w ago
Most things to do with women are about your pain price point. How much are you prepared to work to ingratiate yourself, how much time and energy are you prepared to invest and how much shit are you prepared to put up with in return for the interaction?
The older women get the more pain input they tend to require. So as men get older they tend to go off women more or less. Women are more miserable, requiring more effort for less gain. Maybe you are just starting to experience this?
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 2w ago
Quoted for truth, past 35 or so, my willingness to tolerate any bullshit fell off a cliff. Unfortunately, women's bullshit tend to increase wildly past 35. So the math checks out.
It's also why a lot of us here tend to be a bit cranky when asked the 1000th rehash of the same fucking question wherein yet another young whippersnapper autist refuses to figure it the fuck out that there is no Magic Pussy Password and that they are going to have to do the requisite work if they want results.
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No-Stress-Cat 1 2w ago
It's called maturity. It's the same old shit, different woman playing the same games as every other woman does. It's the male equivalent of the woman who hears constantly, "You're so beautiful." It gets old really fast, and it sounds like you're just burning out. Which is not necessarily a bad thing.
You're coming from a place of scarcity instead of abundance. You want to be a pussy slayer, but instead of being able to take it or leave it, you're putting it on a pedestal, then getting angry when they're not handing it to you on a silver platter. Women can sense that, in your body language, your expressions, your tone of voice, and even in the way you touch them.
The problem is you're focusing on the end game instead of what's going on in the present. You have to pull them in by being in the here and now. You have to set the tone and rhythm of the interaction, and guide them into the flow. It's just like any other dance: you lead and they follow, but they can't catch up and get in sync if you're two steps ahead of them.
Musicgoon425 2w ago
Here's the thing bro. This isn't a race. Slow down. Think before you open your mouth and be mindful. Being honest is great, but deliver you words in an easy to digest package.
You can be all gas and no brakes. Move slower with intention, respond slower after thinking about what to say and work on simply having fun. It sounds like you're busy trying to get to results and not enjoying the flirting process.
Theolympicnomad 2w ago
Honestly dude, actually very few men on here legit get pussy so asking them questions like this isn’t gonna do you ANY justice. You’re better off just going out and grinding instead. Because these guys are just gonna belittle you to make themselves feel better. Communal narcissists at the core.
Musicgoon78 3 2w ago
What the hell is this black pill defeatist bullshit? If you don't find value here fuck off to somewhere else.
Theolympicnomad 1d ago
Case in point.
GeorgeIII 1 2w ago
@Theolympicnomad has a point.
The most popular posts by engagement here are ones where we make fun of washed up/entitled/retarded/single mother women from behind a screen.
And someone who naturally knows how to get pussy from the beginning is less likely to ever find this forum. Just look at the questions people post here.
Theolympicnomad 1d ago
Exactly. I literally only login just for the entertainment favor not to really digest information. I already learned pickup from my mentor before the great pua purge.
Musicgoon78 3 2w ago
Ah I see what you mean. I read that as some of the seasoned guys on here, not the group as a whole.
You both are right there. That was my ego steering.
n that case, consider my mind changed.
GeorgeIII 1 2w ago
No worries bro. I actually think grind it out and not asking for advice is a solid plan, once you’ve done the basic reading. Experience is the best teacher. And if OP doesn’t want to do that, he will never fix his game issues. It’s like trying to get ripped without ever touching a dumbbell.
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Even if a lot of the guys on here are seasoned, it’s hard to verify whether they are actually successful. It’s the internet after all.
Plus, half the time the advice is some variation of “go fuck 12 other women”, “read the sidebar”, or “maintain better frame”.
Yeah, those are all correct takes, but they aren’t necessarily useful. Most people here already know that stuff at an academic level.
But again, OP in this post is looking to get laid without any effort at all. So any advice he gets is not going to be followed anyway.
MidgetSpinner 2w ago
OP here. I am actually seasoned. 37 years old, been with over 100 women at least (lost count), but had a breakdown a few years ago on some psychedelic party drugs, and it sent me back to the stone ages so to speak - I isolated myself for ages and basically unlearned everything I know and became socially retarded as a result of it.
But I was on the Red Pill forums on Reddit prior to that breakdown for many years. I joined this forum post-breakdown.
But anyway, to your point - I totally agree with you and @Theolympicnomad. I will be grinding in RL and putting the work in, I already do, but I'm no where near the level I used to be. I rarely post here if I'm honest, but agree with the mod that I am going round in circles with this shit still, despite getting a lay here and there, but those lays are few and far between and that's what I want to change.