Hi all
Had a tinder date that seemed to go well we met, held hands and kissed quite a lot.
I probably could have escalated she even offered to give me a ride home but due to bad logistics and time constraints I didn't take her up on the offer or try to escalate. I kind of regret this now however on the other hand its important to have other priorities in your life so maybe it was an ok strategy as I had important work going on at that time. What do you think? Was it a mistake not to escalate on the first date?
She text me the same night when she got home and almost every day since she was messaging me first. Her last message was on Wednesday. She stopped messaging me since Wednesday and I decided not to text her first as I didn't want to text too much before I was ready to meet again. It's now Sunday and my busy schedule is finished so I am able to meet her again.
For context she had to trip planned with her female friend for this weekend but her friends boy was ill so she couldn't go.
Answer my own question attempt: Message her first simple with message like this:-
Hi [name] how are you? I hope your friends boy is recovering well. What days are you off next week?
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For context here is our recent message history (no need to read this bit if you don't want to its here for context)
Her: Hey hey How’s your day been? The blind guy got here early woke me up I’ve had 4 hours sleep and 40 min nap going to be long long night shift Just waiting to here back from the insurance company about our break xx
Me: Hi [name] I had a very productive day especially seeing as I also only had four hours sleep will catch up on zzzs tonight even if I need sleeping tablets to do it.
I ran out of milk so I had to summon the energy to go to the shop
I'll keep my fingers crossed about the insurance let me know how it turns out.
If it was a pre-existing condition I guess they may not cover that in the insurance unless they specifically said they would in the policy
Her: Rub it in you can sleep while I’m Working
That’s the worst when you need something but can’t be arsed to go out
He has a condition but it’s a infection why he is in so should be fine as we are not going as it’s as my mate is a dependent, she spoke to someone said it’s fine just upload the discharge letter when we get it xx
Me : You can sleep on the job as well. If any escape we can catch them together and blame it on the wicked government cutting funding.
Me: Oh that's great I'm really pleased to hear you are getting a refund. Is it a full refund?
Nothing more annoying than losing money on something like that so that's cool.
Her: I like that idea They said it will be a full refund fingers crossed xx

Lone_Ranger 3 1w ago
I didn't read this wall of text, I just read the title ....and my question for you is this.......
why is your goal 'another date'?
You didn't smash on the first 'date', so she is clearly not attracted to you.
You know how you know how a woman is attracted to you? when she puts out WITHOUT HAVING FIRST GONE ON A DATE.
She's given it up for loads of guys that haven't 'brought her on a date'.
Farang131 1w ago
So a woman always has sex on first date if she is interested in you with no exceptions? Seems a bit extreme. As others have said I most likely could have fucked her on the first date if logistics were better so she was into me apparently.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1w ago
If you've actually read the sidebar like you claim, you should have seen this classic from Rollo Tomassi: Wait For It?.
The most pertinent passage:
Any woman I've fucked, I've fucked within the first 2-3 encounters. I say "encounter" instead of "date" because some of them were at parties, etc and within hours or even minutes of first meeting.
Every woman who didn't put out (when I tried to escalate of course) within the first 2-3 encounters, sex never was on the table. They were just stringing me along for attention, free shit, etc.
If she's making you wait, she doesn't want you. Find a woman who does. If no woman does, then become more attractive.
Farang131 1w ago
Thanks for your reply as others have commented she most likely would have fucked me and it was me that didn't escalate it to that which was a mistake on my part.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1w ago
Have you read the sidebar?
Farang131 1w ago
Yes I have
GeorgeIII 1 1w ago
To be clear, you are being asked about the sidebar because your text convo suggests you haven’t, or at least that you are very new to game.
Things you are doing that are anti-game:
-narrating/explaining your life
-asking her when SHE is available rather than offering up a time/place
Farang131 1w ago
Honestly I have been following PUA and dating stuff for years so I have no excuse to fuck things up like this and yet I did. I suppose I was thinking of the "leave her wanting more" stuff that people say but really there is no excuse it was a fuck up for sure. She arranged the date she even brought the drinks she had high interest and I fucked it and I'm not going to bullshit you or make excuses.
GeorgeIII 1 1w ago
Sigh… I don’t think you totally fucked up either.
Sometimes, the process of approaching a girl to sleeping with her feels like a perma-death video game. One mistake, and your run is totally over, and you must start fresh with a new save (new girl). In this case, your mistakes were pretty ‘minor’, and still sounds like they got your save deleted.
It’s exhausting to be totally mistake free all the time. But it is what it is. Just another reason to be more ruthless the moment a specific girl does something you don’t like.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1w ago
You don't have to be 100% mistake free if she's really into you.
Have muscles and be charming.
I've had women forgive multiple fuckups from me.
CC: @Farang131
Farang131 1w ago
That's an interesting point I don't have muscles honestly but a bit of charm yes. I mean I guess she was into me as the others commented that she definitely wanted to fuck me when we met but my subsequent boring text conversation and busy schedule may have fucked it.
Farang131 1w ago
I really like this answer and I agree 1OO% it feels like a hard computer game that needs a save function to roll back to and yes very exhausting to blow it over what some might call a minor mistake.
I suppose the cure is to have multiple girls on the go at once which I have had in the past but impossible in the town and country I live in right now and honestly not my priority either but it would have been nice to win one.
GeorgeIII 1 1w ago
Having multiple girls = multiple save files in one video game title LOL. But it also takes more time to play all those saves.
That being said, not taking charge and fucking when she wanted is a fuck up. Not the worst though.
For a little humor though, you at least didn’t commit any of the truly awful fuck ups below, some of which I may or may not have done in my own life ;)
-professing your deep love and feelings for her
-showing her your anime booba figurine collection
-sperging out over red pill and telling her how she is meant to be a fit traditional housewife with no education or career
-begging her for sex
-telling her about your previous heartbreaks and crying in her arms
-telling her about how Chad is just using her for sex and you would be a better boyfriend
-showing her your favorite genre of porn or video games and going into a 1hour rant about it
-approaching her for the first time from behind her and whispering about Shrek in her ear
Well, that last one might actually be a good idea. That one I haven’t actually tried.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1w ago
Shrek is love.
Shrek is LIFE.
Farang131 1w ago
Thanks mate its always good to hear other peoples fuck ups to make me feel better about mine.
Honestly my recent counter was probably more of a fuckup then than you think as I did make the mistake of boring conversation in combination with not fucking her if I posted the whole chat history here I'd get roasted for sure. But at least I escalated with passionate kissing on the date that's something I suppose a 1OO% sperg wouldnt have even done that.
Many many years ago I had a beautiful girl who I had a huge crash on get drunk and stoke my leg and I moved away so she did it again and I moved away again. That was a huge fuckup of epic proportions I mean I think I needed her to carry a huge sign saying Farang131 fuck me please but I guess we all have a story or 2 like that.
P.S I had to google the anime booba figurine to see what it was and I laughed.
If anyone ever invents a time machine that allows men to wind back the clock and try more than once that person will be very rich indeed!
Farang131 1w ago
Ok fair points mate thank you. So I should get straight to the point and message her with something like. "Hey how are you lets meet this Thursday"
Or Hey I'm finally free to meet you this Thursday
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Actually how about this - Hey I heard a rumour that people in custody suites are being poisoned by home baked food I hope you covered your tracks properly. (she was bringing baked goods into work)
Then I can move on from this joke / neg to arranging a meet. I think that resets the vibe quite well what do you think?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
you should have just told her when you were free to meet after the week. Not waited a week to tell her
Farang131 1w ago
I did tell her from the start I was busy until the 5th.
GeorgeIII 1 1w ago
First of all, the good stuff. Bravo OP! You actually got her out on a date and off the phone! In 2026, that actually is an accomplishment for most men.
Now for the tougher stuff. OP, I was bored to tears reading the text convo. And I’m a guy. This is part of why we say to only text for logistics. If I’m bored reading this, any modern woman will be too. Don’t sperg out and refuse to text her at all about your day, but focus more on engaging her emotions rather than narrating your/her day.
And yes, generally, if you get the signals, you should escalate. Women are far more likely to stick around for the next month if you fuck them. They develop bonds through oxytocin after sex. They are also more likely to lose interest if you don’t fuck. Not a death sentence for you here OP, but just keep that in mind.
And who is “her friend’s boy?” Sounds like a kid, not a boyfriend? A woman’s friends and their life situations are a window into the woman herself. Women are groupthinkers.
If one member of the group just got married, the others likely will be trying too as well. If one of them is a trashy single mom, you can expect many of them to be trashy single moms too, or at least think being a single mom is a good idea. If one of them is a perpetually single whore, most likely all of them are carousel riders. You get the idea.
Farang131 1w ago
Thanks for your reply that's really fair feedback. Yes Tinder is almost impossible for guys these days so at least I did the first part well.
I know I messaged too much but at least it was her always starting the conversation. I realised I was doing this which is why I stopped all messaging so that maybe she would wonder about me / miss me. I suppose I was trying to reset the dynamic a bit.
I don't know anything about her friend other than her friends Child has a chronic illness.
What do you think I should message her next? Something straight to the point like Hey how are you? Lets meet on X.? Or Hey how are you? What days are you off work next week?
Actually this is my favourite - Hey I heard a rumour that staff in custody suites are being poisoned by home baked food I hope you covered your tracks properly. (she was bringing in baked food where she worked). This resets the dynamic I will then progress to arranging a meet.
mattyanon Admin 1w ago
If the date went as well as you thought, a 2nd date should be dead easy.
It was a mistake to not escalate in SOME way. but that's ok, nothing's perfect.
Sure, that's ok, but here is a better model, because you are trying to do 3 steps at once here and you don't need to.
Reconnection message 1: Something value-giving but REQUIRES NO REPLY.
Now, I know this is counter intuitive because you want a reply, but hear me out. Value giving because you want to generate attraction. Requiring no reply is easier on her (she can reply any time), easier on you (you don't need a reply), and implies high value (indifference to reply).
Examples (value receiving from femme perspective)
Breakdown: "hey girl" frames the dynamic as inter-gender and flirty. "saw X and thought of you". implies you saw something (what was it? why did it remind you of her? is she special? why weren't you thinking of her already?). And that's it. No question, no demand..... you are reconnecting while still actually giving a bit of distance.
When she replies, you do not "hope they are recovering" - that is handwaving and pressuring the sick to be well. If friend is not well, your message lands terribly. Be more open ended and simply ask "How is X doing?". That lets her answer honestly regardless of circumstances. This is how you unfuck modern communication patterns.
Lastly don't ask what days she is free. Women hate that. I know it's reasonable, but they hate it and let me tell you why:
I know it's natural to do this, but don't.
The ideal model is "Hey... I'm doing X cool thing on Wednesday, come join me".
That only works for fixed time slots (comedy night, one off event, or you have a rammed schedule), so not always possible.
Failing that: "Hey.... Wednesday evening, let's go to X bar and start a riot" (or whatever is appropriate for your and her dynamic).
Why it works: She commits simultaneously to the date and the event, so she's not committing to one thing without the other.
Why it works part 2: If she can't make Wednesday or doesn't like X bar, then she can simply say "I'd love to, but I can't do X part of your plan, how about Y instead".
Also, you're leading and look decisive rather than dependent on her.
A lot of RP guys will say "don't let her change venue or date or location, if she reschedules tell her to fuck off."
I disagree. If she agres Thursday instead, then great..... "Sure... I've shuffled a few things around, Thursday it is". (make sure to remember what you shuffled in case she asks. and she will ask).
However..... it's ONE change. If she says "oh wait, I can't do Thursday how about Friday" you say "Sounds like you've got a busy week, another time is cool". Then you ignore her for a week and try again. You do not let her dick you around.
Bonus point: you have not specified a time to meet. You do that on the day as a way to confirm without asking any questions....... Thursday comes..... "7.30PM at X place before the big event. Be on time, I'll be early".
Farang131 1w ago
Thanks for your reply how about I send this "Hey I don't want to alarm you but I heard a rumour that staff in custody suites are being poisoned by home baked food. I hope you covered your tracks properly."
(she was bringing in baked food where she worked). This resets the dynamic I will then progress to arranging a meet.
GeorgeIII 1 1w ago
I see you’ve asked in 3 replies on the post about this text you are thinking of. Don’t sperg out over this one possible reply, it will keep your mind closed and you won’t be in the flow.
Whether it’s a good one or not depends on the girl, and how she knows you to be.
Without any other info (only you know your specifics), I personally would recommend not to send this one. You were kinda boring and caring in text before.
But you met her in person, we didn’t. If she has that type of sense of humor, go for it.
Edit: your text idea is also pretty wordy. I had to double take to get it. Remember, people in general (and girls in their 20s especially) have a goldfish level of focus.
Farang131 1w ago
Not to send which one? This - "Hey I don't want to alarm you but I heard a rumour that staff in custody suites are being poisoned by home baked food. I hope you covered your tracks properly."
It does fit it well with out previous conversations and banter.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
Gents, DO NOT make plans with a girl when your logistics do not give you time to escalate. Time-constrained dates are NOT for beginners.
You blew it. Don't make dates when you have no time. Why would you even bother?
And you couldn't, you know, JUST TELL HER THAT?
I don't even want to read it. All you had to do was make a second date. If she wanted to (which she did) she would just say yes. If she does not say yes she does not want to meet again.
Why do you guys overcomplicate the shit out of this?
What is with you sending super dry texts. All you had to do was set up a second date. You guys are your own worst enemy
Yeah no. Not as a beginner. You make logistics when you can learn to escalate or plan better.
Yes. Choosing not to escalate on a first date is NOT a beginner tactic.
Rejection is better than regret, ask her out a second time if she says no go bang someone else
Farang131 1w ago
Gents, DO NOT make plans with a girl when your logistics do not give you time to escalate. Time-constrained dates are NOT for beginners. - I appreciate this but it was a tinder match and I think its important to strike whilst the iron is hot. If I wait a week or 2 she may have long moved on since then so I took the chance when it popped up and made her prove her interest by meeting me in my home town at a time that suits me.
You blew it. Don't make dates when you have no time. Why would you even bother? - Strike whilst the iron is hot. If I put it off a week it may be a no go anyway so why not?
And you couldn't, you know, JUST TELL HER THAT? - I did
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
You didn't strike while the iron was hot in all the way to could have. Again, my point stands, if you were not going to arrange additional plans and tell her when then what was the point? If you have time constraints work with them instead of hesitating in between dates
So why do you not have a second date already planned yet?
Farang131 1w ago
Fair point. Yes we probably could have fucked however due to a temporary situation with building works it wasn't possible for us to go back to my place but I guess I could have said lets go back to yours.
if you were not going to arrange additional plans and tell her when then what was the point? - Are you saying what is the point of texting her if you aren't going to arrange additional plans?
I didn't immediately plan a second date as I didn't want to plan it too far out and also didn't know when we would both be free.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
It happens, I'm only being hard about not making plans with a woman who clearly wants you to
Yes
You don't have to immediately make plans. You can but I always leave them with or tell them a "tell me when youget home" text and then just let whatever you're texting about the next day Segway into plans. Or just ask them
>is how you quote text
Farang131 1w ago
Yes I understand I didn't think it would be good to make plans for over 1 week away as it felt too far out to make plans but also I felt as she was messaging first I should reply.
I also didn't want to disappear / lose momentum by not replying to her messages as she was the one messaging first. There was some flirting in there but I agree a lot of my messages were too boring and / or unnecessary.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
That's why I don't recommend making dates if your timing is that constrained
You are going to lose women by not setting up plans though, so you can't just not reach out for plans even if they are further out because you already chose to go on a date that went well.
You can't just straddle the line and not make use of a good first date, so in the future, tell them that you're busy and that you want to make plans still
Farang131 1w ago
Fair point mate thanks. Honestly Tinder is usually a complete waste of time in my home country so I went in with 0 expectations.
She suggested the original date which showed genuine interest from her so I thought I might as well go along with it but yes the time constraint and logistics was an issue for sure.
Musicgoon78 3 1w ago
You already know the answer. If you don't want to escalate, you don't want to get laid. Don't give us vague bullshit excuses.
Also, if you want to text her do it. Stop with this phony alpha shit.
While you're talking about mundane shit, other guys are out fucking women.
Farang131 1w ago
What did I do that was phoney alpha shit?
Musicgoon78 3 1w ago
Farang131 1w ago
So you're saying I should have text her first?
Musicgoon78 3 1w ago
A strong man doesn't need to think of trivial bullshit like who texts first?
That's autistic.
Farang131 1w ago
I mean I didnt want to text her too much but as she kept texting first I replied and then probably spoke too long.
Musicgoon78 3 1w ago
Yup, this is sperg thinking. You're still talking about texting too long. Successful men do what they want, when they want with the women they want.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
I will never understand why guys think it is alpha to withhold interest and intent where they can have action
Short of having a dick she is trying that hard to fuck OP and he just won't comply with sex
Farang131 1w ago
Honestly I have been following PUA and dating stuff for years so I have no excuse to fuck things up like this and yet I did. I suppose I was thinking of the "leave her wanting more" stuff that people say but really there is no excuse it was a fuck up for sure. She arranged the date she even brought the drinks she had high interest and I fucked it.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
This does not apply to denying her cock she could have had and didn't get
Her trying to drop you off at yours was the wanting more.
Leave a girl wanting more applies to build up and after sex not when she is going to get frustrated at lack of conclusion
Farang131 1w ago
Yes fair enough mate. I realise now that I fucked it no excuses.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
Bro it's not that big of a fumble invite her over and make some good food and a drink or something
Farang131 1w ago
She didn't even read my last message so I guess it was a big fumble.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
When you don't give women dick they want they:
In both cases you make them feel bad so they blame you for making them feel bad emotions
Unless a woman has insanely high desire like a chance to have her dream guy or she's been invested in you for a while, they don't wait infinite amounts of time for confirmation that you want them
Women Auto reject more and more every passing day that they have uncertainty
There is nothing alpha about denying a woman you are interested in a chance to meet up with you
Women have legitimate emotions too, they don't want to wait forever to feel like you're not interested and to have some drive and ambition to meet them. They just go with men who want them if you click with them and then leave them hanging
Next time just say you want to meet up dude, it's not hard
Farang131 1w ago
OK. I did tell her I was busy until the 5th so she did know I wanted to meet after that but point taken. I think she knew I wanted her I mean I was answering all her messages.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
Right, but answering correctly on logistical messages or where you should be indicating interest is more important than answering a ton of other messages that don't help you
Farang131 1w ago
Yes fair point I let her draw me into boring conversation when she asked me boring questions I should have ignored it or changed the subject.