Exhibit A: I've dealt with plates that go out without me, complete and utter red flag, I know, but if it's not your wife so-to-say, why would you care? Especially when you're 1 to 2 SMV points above them, and they have high obedience to you. Meaning; if you're traveling, they ask when you'll be back, or the weekend rolls around and they text you what your plans are, etc.
In my experience my previous plate was just like this, and eventually I couldn't deal with it because she wanted commitment, knowing damn well I won't commit to a Thursday, Friday, Saturday regular bar-goer (even though I previously worked at that bar- women and men are not the same - if she wanted to be with the "girls" she could have just socialized at her apartment with them and called it a night, or went out to the movies, any other past time for fucks sake).
Recently, what led me to this post is I have a new plate now, she's so far been very obedient, agreeable, and submissive, no known skeletons so far. Nevertheless, last time I came over to her's she briefly skid past the fact that she went out the weekend prior. I think that Saturday (day after we banged) and I hadn't received an invite then to join. Ok, I put it on the backburner, clearly some new poison brewing I thought. I smash and dash, go out the same Friday night, then explore my options the following Saturday night.
A week later, same old wyd text on Friday, same routine follows. Then, Saturday night, I see her out at the bar towards the end of the night - but, she did mention to me that she'd go out and asked if I wanted to join, I said I was with my brother for dinner (which I was earlier) and declined said I was going to busy, because I set the frame not them, unless they earn it I won't drop my plans and close my options unless it's a total dime which we all know doesn't exist.
When I saw her out, she was with her gay friend (I know he's gay A. because of the attire, and B. she mentioned him) but regardless, you're out where there's other men, that's like your employee using the company business card on his vacation miles, that man's lost the promotion when he comes back, in my mind the girl loses her "commitment" upgrade opportunity.
But, what's different with this plate than my last one is she apologized the day after said: "Hey, sorry if I seemed off the last night seeing you totally caught me by suprise. I didn't mean to be wierd, just froze a bit. Hope we're good!"
Okay... at least you recognize the bad behavior, then I weigh the pros and cons of said chick, so far. And even that's strange in this case, she said randomly "btw I've been celibate for 2 years" right after the first time we banged. Then she comes from a single mother household, told me explicitly she has daddy issues, yet always talks positively about her dad and last Fri before I came helped him with some things. Then, says she's been celibate yet has some distinguished bedroom skills (to say the least). This chick is literally a walking oxymoron/ contradiction. Goes out, yet apologizes...
I'm sort of stumped where to move on from here. Continue recreational routine? Should I be more concerned/ put my foot down in some way, or do I have no right? I know some of y'all will say I don't have the right to make it closed on her end and not mine. Though I haven't claimed her, I don't enjoy assuming she's out there talking to other men. What would you do in this scenario?
My attempt to answer: spin the plate until it inevitably falls, every woman has skeletons in their closets, some just have graveyards. When I notice red flags, they instantly reveal disqualifiers, bad habits are very likely to be repeated. Continue having fun, if you sense disrespect give her 2 strikes, cut ties if no resolution or reconciliation follows.
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MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 1mo ago Stickied
My man... you're OVERthinking this to your own detriment. She's a PLATE. Plates are meant as abundance builders, not exclusivity concern-bringers.
If you're busy doing other things/women, SO WHAT if she goes out on the weekend. To some extent, SO WHAT if she tries for, and even gets, dick that isn't yours, provided she doesn't go out of her way to reveal this to you or worse, rub it in your face..?
Unless you want your plates to break quickly, or you're the kind of (dickish) guy who takes greater pleasure in dumping women than having them, just tweak the calibration on your expectations a bit. See if you can find your way to a place of enjoying them when they're present, by the standard of how well that time goes, and not worrying about (much less trying to micromanage) what they are getting up to when they are not in your presence.
Abundance, particularly overabundance, will fix this for you when you reach that state and truly internalize it. Meanwhile, try to make a conscious effort not to F up a good thing with Covert Contract driven anxieties and concerns. It's GOOD that you have a plate, why fuck that up for yourself?
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Gold.
MrSupreme 1mo ago
The only red flag i see is the gay friend, those guys practically push them into choking on cock, and ALWAYS talk shit about the guy she is more serious with, total promoters of promiscuous behaviour. I've known some serious and great homos (male and female) and they turned out to be great people, but that is an extreme minority, don't count on her friend being one of those.
Stop vetting her for future commitment, you're kind of doing that. Spin more plates.
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Musicgoon78 2 1mo ago
Bro I don't agree. No gay guy will push them into more cock, these are girls that want more cock. If a guy is committed to a girl and he is the girls hypergamous best option, she's not going to be tempted to cheat.
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Musicgoon78 2 1mo ago
This is newbie paranoia and also she hasn't locked home down or vice versa.
You don't think she's going to hedge her bets because this guy hasn't locked it down. And you think women cheat. A high value man has options. Most men are only as loyal as their options. You're making assumptions off if one picture about an entire half of the population. That's ridiculous.
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MrSupreme 1mo ago
Well yeah,having a gay friend could be just an expression of cock thirst, but they're still a bad influence and red flag if you're vetting for something more serious,and OP is lowkey trying to take her seriously.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
A singular plate is not a plate. She's just a chick you're fucking.
Secondly, she is a fuckbuddy, unless you've already placed to much importance on her you've mentally upgraded her to something more.
Third, fuck is "obedience" supposed to mean here? Loyalty? Are you two exclusive? If she's clubbing she's looking for dick dude. Girls don't go to clubs just to dance. They say they do, they don't. They go because they can meet a lot of attractive IRL quickly with no effort in ways they can't vet on tinder. Plus they get free drinks.
The amount of guys here that I've seen pull off the one-sided exclusivity is few and far between and I've always had extreme doubts girls in these arrangements aren't sneaking dick. I have massive doubts girls in one sided arrangements aren't fucking and just saying they aren't.
Fourth. Okay, you've determined she's not commitment worthy. Why the fuck do you care? Just fuck her and find more "plates"
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Durek_The_Bald 1mo ago
How many plates are you currently banging?
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Musicgoon78 2 1mo ago
Ok here we go with another guy that goes out looking for problems.
Let's cut through the bullshit, shall we? I come on here fucking tired of this garbage. Every guy want a submissive chick that cooks and cleans and has a notch count of -42 and is a total ho for them and them alone.
She's a plate and a human. She's going to have a life outside you. So she goes out, so will other girls. Get over it.
"But bruh. I'm sooooo alfuh, shee kneads to submitt".
I can't figure out why the larp content on here just gets stronger...
Now you can try to control your women. That's an option. Eventually they will see through that and realize that you're weak. They will stop following you and see your insecurities.
You guys come on here spun into a nerotic frenzy.
All you can do is control yourself. If you can't handle a woman having her own autonomy and thoughts, dump her. Find someone dumb and gullible to tolerate your insecurities until they figure it out.
A plate is not a girlfriend. Don't commit to women with values you don't like and don't waste your time. It's simple as that.
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Musicgoon78 2 1mo ago
If you can't handle a plate having autonomy, you are weak. It comes in the can't handle part.
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Musicgoon78 2 1mo ago
You realize that some people cheat and some people don't, right?
Autonomy doesn't equal cuckoldry. That some of the dumbest shit I've heard all week.
You obviously want to argue as spread sweeping generalizations. Go right ahead. I'm not playing this dumb game.
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