Hey guys, I’m 21 and met a 19-year-old girl last month who shares pretty much all the same interests as me. Emotionally and personality-wise, we connect really well.
The only issue is that she has zero experience. She’s never kissed anyone before and is really shy about physical affection. She told me she’s scared she’ll mess up or turn me off. I put my foot down a dew days ago and was honest with her, told her the lack of affection is starting to affect me and feels like a dealbreaker. She ended up breaking down and said she doesn’t want to seem desperate, but she’d do anything to make this work.
Here’s the thing, I’m not physically attracted to her. She’s not fat at all, just maybe a 4 or 5/10 but honestly feels like long-term material, but that physical chemistry just isn’t there for me. On the other hand, there’s another girl I’ve been seeing where the physical attraction is way stronger, but I don't connect with her as well and she does have quite a few more red flags.
I’m in a spot now where I feel like I have to choose. She told me if she kisses a guy and then gets broken up with she'll kill herself (maybe not literally but she is saving herself). I also feel like I have options as I'm good looking ( not as good looking as when I used to lift before working crazy hours). I’ve spent maybe $300 on the first girl, so it's feeling like a money sink now. I'm just not excited to be around her but she'd be great LTR material.
Should I keep seeing the girl I connect with emotionally, even though I’m not that attracted to her? Would really appreciate some honest thoughts.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago Stickied
You need to try to answer your own question in these posts, per the new AskTRP rules.
Also this is retarded, she's going to ruin your life for 4/10 pussy. Jesus Christ
chadinthemaking69 1w ago
Hey
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
? Hey
Wintergreen Didn't Read Sidebar (confirmed) 1w ago
Lmfao but in at least 10 characters.
Tnstud 4d ago
Ltr material you ARENT attracted to? Not a thing. Dont put this girl through the wringer of false hope just exit and try with someone your attracted to.
Jackmoter 4d ago
Let's avoid people who talk freely about killing themselves.
What would you say if it was your son telling you that?
mattyanon Admin 5d ago
Right...... don't bother.
If you don't want her, it's a waste of both your time.
oh she can fuck off with that emotional abuse of you.
All money spent on women is a sunk cost. Don't do it.
A great BORING long term relationship? Fuck that shit...... is that what you want? long term and BORING?
No, that's a friend right there.
Stop kidding yourself.
No-Stress-Cat 5d ago
This is some serious blue pill programming. Your story sounds like:
"This guy is so perfect, but I'm just not attracted to him. Chad on the other hand is hot as fuck, but we got nothing in common."
Your first problem is indecisiveness. You've trapped yourself into thinking you have to choose between one or the other. Decide what you want: an LTR, a fling, or both. Then go get it. Or them. Or more.
Your second problem is you are chasing women. Dropping big money to try to impress a girl is just stupid. If they didn't earn it, then you don't spend it on them. $300, I'm fucking that chick in the ass later.
Your third problem is you're coming off as weak. Take the lead. You're going to do this. They are going along for the ride. You'll find women to be way more agreeable when you're calling the shots, and they'll just go along with it.
Finally, if you just can't decide between the two, leave them both alone. Neither one of them is giving you what you need except a fucking headache. They're just women. It's not worth stressing yourself out over.
First-light 6d ago
She does not sound quite right. Avoid women with mental issues. Nerves are OK but this seems like more than nerves. Kill yourself if you have a breakup? If she is even 5% serious about this its a huge red flag.
I once got with a woman who was awesome LTR material but I didn't fancy her. It was a huge error. I got zero hassle in the home and got a great cook who shopped cooked and washed up. Always washed my clothes, never refused sex but I did not fancy her. I got another lady to run beside her, then another, then another. It turned into misery for everyone. As a man you have to fancy her.
pofkaf 1w ago
You are only 21 years old. You have decades of pussy ahead of you. No need to obsess about one.
Just keep trying to escalate. If she doesn't reciprocate, withdraw your attention and go hit up other chick's instead. She'll get the memo.
If she does fuck you, of course, then that's great for you. Just keep in mind that it's "just your turn" and she will most likely want to try other dick at some point.
Musicgoon78 2 1w ago
What the fucking fuck is this shit!?
You have a "should I" in the title and didn't try to answer your question. If you did, you would have your answer.
You haven't read the rules and I doubt you've read the sidebar with this question.
Anyways, why would you waste a month on a chick that you don't find attractive and isn't giving you sex? If someone gives you a hearty shit sandwich for free are you going to eat it?
You're letting this sub-par chick. Manipulate you massively. This is because your frame is super weak. At any rate, I'm not even sure that any of this is going to make sense to you.
Have some fucking standards, get laid and really read our rules and the sidebar. This is a fucking disaster of a post!
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
Thanks for telling him the question self answer rule
MrSupreme 1w ago
Yes.
derdeutscher 1w ago
"... a spot now where I feel like I have to choose. She told me if she kisses a guy and then gets broken up with she'll kill herself"
Dude run. Every time a girl mentions to you she will kill herself if you do this or that, run. Maybe shes just joking, but always take this seriously.
You dont even want to imagine what would she say or do in later stages of relationship. Cut her off.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
The last girl who told me she drinks because if she doesn't she'll cut herself got me kicked out of a venue and led to me and my housemate splitting on horrible terms.
This isn't a joke OP @fumbor you are a fucking retard if you keep taking to her
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
Did you read the sidebar?
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1w ago
You don't remember him?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
Well he deleted where he said he read it but Matty quoted him as having read it, which makes his problems all the more sad
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/173040
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
Of course i remember him. I don't remember if he read the sidebar
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1w ago
I couldn't remember if you were involved in those threads.just found one where you were.Some samples, for those who don't remember Uncle Rico here:
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/149147
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/178673
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/139371
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/142390
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/144139
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/144140
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/144329
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/144718
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/177884
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/139298
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/140809
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/140825
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/141391
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/147509
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
*The time* ^
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 6d ago
Oh, are you my personal secretary now? Looking over my ssshhedule for the weekend? Hmm?
Maybe I just wanted to drop some gold while I was dropping a deuce!
How does it feel to know that this reply to you is while I'm taking a huge dump?
Busting balls aside, did you not notice my absence on the trp.red side of the site yesterday? I pretty much only did this thread and handled some moderating at WAATGM, then didn't do shit else besides reply to some DMs while in line at Sam's Club.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 6d ago
Nah i didn't really browse dog reds yesterday
Vermillion-Rx Admin 6d ago
I'm not fixing the spelling error
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 6d ago
I like it.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 6d ago
Same
chadinthemaking69 1w ago
Personally I think you should go for it. Everybody needs a slump buster every once in a while. Mine was a petite latina named Alexandria.
If anything, it will help you fuck her better, knowing that at any time you could throw her back onto the street without a care in the world.
Go get you some stank brother.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
Dude....
He doesn't want a slump buster, he wants to commit to a 4/10.
This is horrible advice
chadinthemaking69 1w ago
Read between the lines
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
If he just wanted to fuck her (terrible idea anyway because she threatens to kill herself) that would be one thing. He also wants to negotiate power dynamics and relationship behaviors with her before they've even fucked AND he wants to commit to this with his whole life ahead of him.
There are no lines to read between, your advice just isn't going to help him.
chadinthemaking69 1w ago
u right.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1w ago
While it's good to see you on this forum again after all this time, it's really disheartening to see your lack of progress. This post reeks of a lot of the same bad mental models you displayed in your last bunch of threads (many of which I see you have since deleted).
Then why are you wasting your time?
Does not compute.
1) how on earth is she "LTR material" if you aren't even attracted to her? If she's not fuck material, then she's not FWB or plate material. Sex is the foundation of any heterosexual relationship. No sex = no relationship.
2) "LTR material" is a bad phrase that betrays bad thinking.
I'm going to quote a section from HumanSockPuppet’s Guide to Managing Your Bitches in full:
This features prominently on the sidebar, which you either never read or never digested.
Don't even let shit like " LTR material" enter your mind until you've been fucking her for several months, and she has proven herself in ways besides just sex. And again, sex is the bare minimum!
"LTR material" is bad phrasing that betrays bad thinking about how this shit works. She can only prove herself relationship-worthy, and if you choose to grant her one, that relationship can become long term simply by not ending within the first couple of years or so. You don't commit to long-term at the start; you just commit to exclusivity or whatever the terms of the relationship are, and if it lasts, it becomes long-term.
...and this is why you don't spend money on a chick you aren't already fucking.
Edit:
I missed this at first.
Never put up with or stick around someone who threatens suicide.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
Fumbor is unfortunately part off that segment of men that would have been better of not finding TRP and living the blue pill duty sex life where they simply go on 3-5 dates with a 6 and getting Chad's leftovers, not finding out much or really realizing much of her past, and going on to have a meh marriage but at least feeling like and being convinced that he won in life.
Some men do not want to actually be redpilled, and finding this place leaves them in limbo for the rest of their life
For a lot of men, dating the blue pill way would at least gaurantee a long (but not great or permanent) relationship since they aren't using sexual strategy anyway and only care about having a relationship. Finding TRP becomes a disservice because they don't actually want to be TRP but already swallowed too much of it to turn back around all the way
I think a lot of blue pills at least have some ability to reflect on long duty relationships that ended, probably moreso than they do sperging out with RP
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1w ago
Eh, I don't think he'd have been better off. He'd have been the perfect mark for one of those "ready to settle down", Epiphany Phase, "reformed" sluts.
He'd have been the kind of guy who thought his ship finally came in.
At least this knowledge keeps him from committing to women like that, even though he doesn't seem to be doing Jack shit else with it.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
He seems to be ready to commit to worse. I think the red pill makes some of these guys go crazy in trying to avoid the average female experience and they come up with cope like this
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1w ago
heh, fair enough
Overkill_Engine 2 1w ago
If she doesn't pass the boner test, why are you punishing yourself by even considering a sexual relationship with her at all, be it a committed one or not? You got some sort of pay-pig/findom fetish or something?
Ever consider that sometimes being alone is better? That "relationship get" isn't the ultimate purpose of your existence or the best achievement you can ever obtain? That it is something you only do if you are satisfied with it in all aspects, which in your post you clearly are not.
Dude, fucking run, don't walk, run away.
Your entire post is fucking retarded. Smack yourself. Smack yourself until you rediscover some sense of self preservation. You've clearly identified issues with both women but are still screwing around wasting time and energy on them and asking neurotically retarded questions instead of doing something constructive like moving on to better prospects or a self improvement loop until you find better prospects.
AbusiveFather1 1w ago
Throughout history men used to marry and otherwise engage in long term relationships with women that were not necessarily attractive but were otherwise wife material. They also kept concubines or mistresses on the side, but treated them accordingly. So don’t invent the bicycle and do what our forefathers did, i.e. do what works.
If you truly have a wife material girl (doubtful, in this day and age, but you be the judge) on your hands, don’t let her go.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 6d ago
She threatens to kill herself...
AbusiveFather1 6d ago
Nevermind!