I know women are more socially adept and better at reading people by instinct.
That's why I think most guys suck with women, because they signal too much insecurities, women read them and then leave them.
But I've had this thing about myself that women just completely miss.
Almost every woman I meet, whether we hang out, be together, meet or talk at a party or an event, says I'm a player.
That became a running joke amongst my friends. After women leave I just tell my guys "it's funny how most of you get more women than me, but they still think I'm the best".
How is this possible? I don't get that many chicks as they do or other people. How can I signal "player vibes", but still be a beginner in terms of success. How do they miss this and/or how they can't read me in this possible situation?
It's contradictive. I guess I don't get as much matches because I signal some kind of insecurity or I'm horrible at social interactions and on the other hand I signal "player" vibes? How?
ARedditAccount005 1y ago
Where's the punchline?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Women are more socially attuned. They have more mirror neurons and can detect emotions better.
How are we supposed to know? You didn't provide any details related to how you could possibly behave that would make anyone say that. I've often heard men that try and fail to get laid called players as long as the attempt to get women is noticable but they don't realize the guy never fucks
Masun Can't think for myself 1y ago
It could be that. I did try more than my friends but still they passed me in terms of numbers, matches and dates, but I never gave up.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Idk man. As long as people don't know you strike out they'll think you're a player for trying
You need to stop worrying about numbers matches and dates your problems are more foundational
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
This is part of it but it's also because can't have any interesting conversations and then try progressing the interactions in ways that socially make no sense. Men who can move a convo from A to B to C to back to B to D (random example) know how to get through these conversations.
They don't view conversations the same way spergs do. They go with the flow and just zero in on parts of conversation that are conducive to moving it forward. Spergs spitball whatever they think could stick, ask interview questions, pass on opportunities to say or do something that would make the conversation better or more sexual or emotional.
Then if the girl hasn't already lost interest in the convo as it were, spergs do the microphone in the face effect the same way some comedians some times randomly put a member of the audience on the spot asking them a question and sticking the mic in their face. Spergs ask women out and other things when none of the conversation or vibe was conducive to her saying yes to a date or escalating
Further you can have a good conversation with a woman but absolutely no vibe and she won't even be thinking about fucking you because spergs can't develop a vibe that makes a woman feel anything.
Spergs have no idea how to be a fun guy having fun conversations with the slightest element of banter, tease or showing appropriate amounts of personal interest in the woman and not being able to have a coherent conversation that feels smooth.
Most women just want to be at least sort of attracted to a guy and see that he holds fun conversations, shows some kind of interest even if it's indirect and she has to wonder about it, and then most will say yes to a date or hanging out if you make her laugh or generally fun to interact with and confident
It's really not hard but spergs cannot remotely conceive how to achieve any of this vibe and are awkward to talk to in the first place. Even more so awkward when they run sperg game on top of bad social skills.
And men who can't really get it or be natural in conversation often telegraph insecure body language, avoidant eye contact, poor voice inflections and other cues that signal to women you aren't a desirable mate. Some times they don't even consciously know they can just pick up on the fact a man is nervous or socially uncomfortable and from there it is just not possible for her to be interested even if it's mild enough that she can't notice but her subconscious mind is letting her know there is something off or wrong
Masun Can't think for myself 1y ago
I'm somewhat I think close to those u are talking about. How to fix that? Like genuinely I want to but don't know how.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Like I said in permanent game n00b essay you really just need to make friends and get it.
There's no guide. You need to get into newer and newer social situations where you can retrospect in your highs and lows and observe with other men are doing to get good social reactions
There is no guide you need to just go do it
Masun Can't think for myself 1y ago
Isn't retrospecting too much micro-analysis? For example, something I did in A wont do good in B. I've had times where I did something with a A girl which really worked and B when it didn't work out at all.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
No? Why would that be micro analysis. How the f are you supposed to learn anything about yourself otherwise
Stop overthinking man
joyboy 1y ago
I think he meant to say that retrospection seems like overthinking by definition. And how do you know if your retrospection is even “correct” so to speak. Like you thought you did something wrong but you actually didn’t or vice versa
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
THIS is overanalyzing.
Why the fuck are you guys looking for absolute answers. Did something work for you or not. If no then it didn't work. If yes then something probably worked. Narrow it down till you have your answers
You guys are being absolute spergs sometimes. Get close enough to the truth and you'll have answers of what to do in specific situations and develop killer instinct. You guys struggling at the basics masturbating your proverbial dick off with this mental masturbation.
Try something and think thoughtfully about it later. Change what you think you needed to change. Evaluate your assumptions as you go. Jesus guys. Stop looking for a pussy password manual and live your life
You guys aren't content with having anything short of a crystal ball. There is some knowledge you can only acquire through experience
Musicgoon78 3 1y ago
Jesus man....
"Are you a player", is a basic shit test. Red pill 101 right there.....
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
I don't know what it will take for some guys to see how badly they are overthinking
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 1y ago
They're so worried about getting a 100% achievement run with a specific woman on the first try that they guarantee that they'll never attain that with any woman.
They need to embrace failure as a "Now I don't need to waste any further time/effort on this woman." experience.
If for no other reason than that women naturally smell the fear of failure coming from a man and it gives them a fucking wicked case of the dry pussy.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
This
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
Ish.
It's fucking easy to learn signals when the other gender does all the work and you play a passive role - never investing, never making effort, making sure that you never put as much back as the other person does. They get little credit from me for their free ride.
Men also get a harder time learning social cues because women are so fundamentally secretive deceptive in their speech, language, body language, intentions, etc.
It's a test
Women are average at social reading. Like ....... 7 out of 10. Most men get a lot better at reading women when they know the truth about women and how women operate. Guys who are good with people and women are far far better at reading social cues than most women.