You are retarded if you think marriage is ever a good idea.

Divorce is also not so easy as in western countries and the law favours women and has caused men to suicide etc.

That can change. It changes in the West and it will change in India. Marriage is a long term commitment, but the deal can and will change later, and not for the better.

I know there is an article in the side bar about it, where it says to see the pattern of the girl and not fixate on her past if she`s being good. But I am genuinely confused. Please help me with your views.

Look..... marriage is a fucking shit show. If not now in your country then it will be in future.

Let's say you meet an innocent girl. 10 years down the line she realises she's missed out and goes out and cheats. You are the good loyal provider, and she gets BORED. So she cheats.

The court grants you a divorce... yay.

But you also have to pay for the kids, her house, her car, her alimony while she cries in court about how you "emotionally abused her". The judge agrees with her. You can't sleep in your car because you can't afford one. Your life is complete: you are now a beta provider for her and your children while she fucks someone else.

That's where this ends.

You and your children deserve better.

DO NOT MARRY

I completely empathize with your desire to marry, and if you had asked something like this 10 or 15 years ago I probably would have even encouraged it, but in today's sociopolitical climate I wouldn't advise it and just stick to hooking up. I know it sucks, believe me, but times are changing and you just have to learn to adapt or life will leave your ass behind

I've learned to enjoy it and let go of the fantasy of marriage. Outside of a deeply religious and traditional society, which I am not a member of living here in the US, it's simply not a realistic goal anymore. If you really want that sort of traditional lifestyle you'd probably need to convert to Christianity, Islam or Judaism, move into an isolated religious, non-westernized society and find a girl from a really religious family. You're not going to find that shit in India, the US or any other country affected by the scourge of "progressivism".

Even as I type this comment, the scourge is rapidly expanding into countries where it was never seen before only 5 or 10 years ago. It's already spreading through Latin America, Asia, and Africa. Mexican, Chinese and Korean girls are walking around with tattoos all over their bodies, BBLs and Instagram accounts. No one is safe. Wherever there's smartphones and social media, the disease follows. Before long the whole world will be this way, outside for a tiny handful of communities like the Amish who don't assimilate

Marriage is not in your interests but I don't know how hard it would be to have children in your country without marriage. Is it possible to not do it legally? The law is not a man's friend.

Is a lack of a job and education ok in a woman? Depends on why. A traditional girl from a rural area who has no job or paper qualifications is absolutely fine, may well be better than a girl from a town with degrees, if she will live without complaint on your wages alone and most importantly IF SHE HAS BEEN EDUCATED IN BEING A WOMAN. Almost all education women receive in classrooms is of little use to them in fulfilling their primary role in life -to be mothers. Women get a man's education in schools. Can she clean and cook and care for children like it is an easy thing? Most women who have been educated like boys can't.

Well I would be concerned if she was gang raped.

Ok, I will be nice. Yes, you are retarted.

On the other hand, I am aware it is cultural conditioning in India. And situation there might be different. I think there is no point asking too much about past in WESTERN culture. But if she had a lot of partners in a country where it is very unusual, I would be rather concerned.

Get marriage out of your mind.Heck,get a LTR out of there too. Meet women, forget about their past, focus on what they're going to do with you and FOR you. If they're undergoing a feminist takeover,then that means you're only one of the 10 guys she will have orbiting her. Your efforts should be to stand out from the crowd of guys, and making as much emotional impact as possible.

Easier said than done but gotta get to it asap if you wanna see progress.Get into your head that specially at the beggining of talking/approaching you're just one of many.

There are universal truths.

Dont marry - if you marry now and the divorce laws are discriminatory already, then imagine in 20y when feminism will be pushing forward. It will be worse. Why? Coz India is pro west, pro west business and they will adapt the bad templates.

Dont commit crime - just leave her if she cheats, if you do not invest yourself into a woman + with a goal of marriage then your anger will be smaller.

Don't make babies if you cant afford them after the split, if the law is againt you.

Am I too retarded in fixating about girl`s past while

No. If you would grow up alone on an island and be given a woman and then another man would arrive you would also feel it.

Dont fixate on that, it might get you depressed, jealous...

In a relationship don't show jealousy. To achieve it you cant be invested in her (or as little as possible) that means investing in yourself your hobbies your social circle...

Read sidebar, watch Rian Stone YT.

It all is only a fraction.

I've come to the -not ideal- conclusion, that so long as she isn't the town bicycle, it doesn't matter much.

There is a bell curve distribution of how many partners women have had. You want to avoid women in the top 10-20%. Those are the women for whom ONS are/were regular occurrences. Women who had rosters. Women who were passed around by the football team/fraternity. Women who went from guy-to guy- to guy. Below that it doesn't matter much, other things are far more important in regard to long-term prosperity.

And btw, I struggle with this a lot myself. All ego. But if I let my emotions out of it for a moment, and consider things strictly rationally, this is my conclusion.

You wouldn't want to commit to the town bicycle, but you also wouldn't want to commit to a prude.

It's stupid for a man to commit young, but once you're 35+, the women available to you for something serious probably aren't going to be 18-19 year olds. So they'll have some experience too.

A girl taking your dick early can be indicative of genuine desire. It can also be indicative of being an overall whore. A girl waiting for commitment before sex can be indicative of respectable values. But it can also be indicative of making rules for the beta, and breaking them for the alphas.

Exactly how stupid it is committing at all very much depends on marriage and divorce laws where you live. If they're how you make them out to be, marriage probably shouldn't be an option at all.

These are all things you have to figure out for yourself. Yes, the past obviously matters. Anyone telling you otherwise is a bona fide idiot. To what extent is, once again, for you to figure out for yourself.

Asking friends, society, women, and even this forum, what you're supposed to think of all this is indicative of a weak frame. Frame is everything.

Yes, you are a little too retarded if you're fixating on body count. While you rightfully prefer someone with a low number of partners, it's one of many criteria, and if she's off the charts then maybe you should consider someone else. Unless you want to do everything all the time and be prepared to not take risks because you're the sole breadwinner, you should consider someone who has some job or education so they can work or have some other activity to do before you have children. Again, it's one criteria of many. You have to decide what is most important for you. If you really want the mildly-attractive woman who is a virgin and offers little else besides femininity, that's fine - but you may be in the narrow part of the bell curve with your preferences.