My background: Not a high SMV man. Over 18, and IG profile dry as a desert. I just have a single gym picture up with a video. Background of girl: blonde ,HB7.5 She's 17. I'm just an acquaintance (and a few years older)
I dmed this girl on Instagram by responding to a picture she put on her story. The picture was her and her older sister as little kids hugging her dad. It looked friendly, thought it was a good open for conversation, so I responded. Message transcripts: Me: Is that your family? Her: No, it's a stock photo. Me: I didn’t ask you to tell me about your weird hobbies. (Said in response to her sarcasm) Her: Uh you asked Me: (Yet to reply) I don’t know if being bratty is her character 24/7, but her sarcasm feels like a shit test. Or she doesn’t give a shit about the convo because I’m not a HMV man (yet). If it is one, why am I being tested for my comment? Either way, I dislike it. I’m thinking of hitting the nuke button for a response but I need help learning about good responses. What is a good nuke response? I don't care about the outcome. Being blocked, or her going to her sister (HB8.5) about this. I'd hate for her to get away with this. Also I feel I fucked up with my hobby response, it was supposed to be a pressure flip. If I fucked up anywhere else, please let me know. Women will post anything for attention, so she could've been fishing. Was messaging her blue pill behavior? Thanks guys.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
I hate women who start every conversation with a shit test. You responded correctly and then she had to show her narcissism. Now it's time for the nuclear option.
Ridicule Reframe – This is major asshole game or what I personally refer to as “Patrice O’Neal Game.” You use this kind of game to bring incredibly narcissistic and angry women off the ego pedestal. Don’t use this on timid sheltered women if you ever want to sleep with them, they’ll get too intimidated to act upon their attraction. Ridicule reframes are particularly helpful in bantering with other guys, who relish in the verbal violence and ensuing laughter it can inspire. In relation to the shit test at the beginning of this section: “I bet you’re single because your face looks like a 9/11 crash site “
imtranscending 2y ago
Hey thank you for commenting, I thought I wasn't gonna receive any more answers. I like your response, and I may intend on using Ridicule Reframe for future girls. But the power seems a bit too much, and she's probably not single. I wanna eventually fuck this girl, and she's involved with a church group that I've previously been apart of. Girls talk a lot, so saying that would be unfitting for the situation and damage my reputation. But remember that older sister who is hotter, and imo funnier? I'll compare this egotistical bitch to her older sis. Siblings get super angry when compared with each other. (especially younger to the older). I will do the nuclear response, and it's gonna be this "No wonder you're not as likable as (sister), you're too sarcastic. Huge turnoff." BOOM, that surely is gonna fuck her up, and knock her off her high place. She'll be falling, and will be covered in bruises once she hits the bottom. Tactical nuke prepared. Won't launch without permission commander.
NeoSpartan 2y ago
This is a weird thing to ask advice about. Also your comment was not good. Would have been fine if she shoed you the picture herself, but in my mind it comes off as creepy and stalkerish, but mostly dumb. Why would she post someone elses family on her internet picture collage? Anyway, I don't think instagram is a good way to meet girls. I have over 2 hours of experience with the thing so I'm now an expert in this subject.
I would respond with "What is you mother's maiden name and the make and model of your first car? I'm doing a survey for a charity organization. We are trying to save baby afican kittens from the ravages of starvation and we need your help (insert name here)"
imtranscending 2y ago
Let’s make sure we understand each other. What in my behavior was creepy, or resembled stalking? When replying to something that was posted as a STORY, the reply is sent straight to the dms. So what’s creepy? For the picture she posted of her family, asking if it was just a friendly way to open the door to conversation. Why must everything be so fucking uncaring. I agree with you that the line was dumb. The whole engagement is dumb. Now I get your response, but that seems a bit lengthy. Maybe something more punchy? Again, is nuking this chick a good idea?
NeoSpartan 2y ago
It really doesn't matter. Nuke or don't. My point was you are taking this way too seriously. I don't know much about instagram but from what I've seen it's mostly a female validation machine. Do you actually know this girl personally? Does she live near you? Anyway try it I guess, might as well. But if I were you, I would look for other ways to meet girls. Instagram is probably one of the worst ones.
imtranscending 2y ago
How was I taking this too seriously? Am I looking into this too much, or putting too much energy into the situation? I see a bratty girl, and I have enough self respect to not be another nice guy she deflected.
NeoSpartan 2y ago
Yes, yes and yes. Good, respect yourself and don't be just another instagram beta. Listen to the other advice, I read it, is good.
NeoSpartan 2y ago
But my real advice is find another way to meet girls. Instagram is a terrible way to do that. All I see there is dudes simping for women. I seriously doubt they ever get any.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
It's a stock photo, ie a photo of someone else.
Partly this. Partly that she's on IG for whatever reason, WITH A STOCK PHOTO.
She's not being fun and not playing ball. That's fine, NEXT.
Why do you need a response? Ignore her, move on, next.
No photo = not a girl you would want to fuck.
WTF? Going to her sister because a girl didn't answer you thoroughly enough??
She doesn't owe you an answer. She is entitled to be boring as fuck with her stock photo and crappy answers. That's fine, but it's not good enough to be worth talking to. NEXT.
Ok, you have a problem.
A girl you DMed out of the blue gave you a short answer or two. She is allowed to do that. She's done nothing wrong.
You are feeling butthurt that a girl didn't do what you wanted, and now you want revenge.
Dude, this is NOTHING.
Message 100 girls, some will respond well, some not at all. It's what they do and you have to get used to it.
Response was fine, but this is a boring girl with a stock photo. And "hobby" doesn't really fit. But whatever.
You fucked up by:
You're escalating. This is fine. She isn't interested. That's fine too.
ash00000 2y ago
? she was kidding about that being a stock photo, wasnt a stock photo itself
imtranscending 2y ago
Yes it was a picture of her and her family when she was younger. She's just being sarcastic about it for some reason. Her profile is complete with pictures of her and all. The stock photo reference was obviously sarcasm, in my response to her story. As far as what I should've said, "that's pretty weird" would've been good I think in stead of the hobby. That way she'd be in the hole she dug for herself. She is allowed to be a sarcastic bitch, and I'm allowed to nuke her for it. But I see what you're saying, this is an obvious next, it's not worth it. The going to her sister part was something SHE'D DO, and I'd be alright with it. I know her sister a little better, I didn't mean I'd be going to her sister. Wtf, how can so many people misread my post. Why do I have a problem? I like the rest of your advice, and I agree with it. I've met her in person but am just an acquittance. I just don't wanna be a fucking nice guy. It seems all these girls are quick to categorize me as one.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
There is a common factor...
coolsocks00 1 2y ago
The stock photo thing is not important, the rest of the advice is.
You are overreacting to some mild online shit testing. If you're not very good looking or dont already have her interest in some way this is a normal bratty response from young girls on IG. You should be happy to even get a response with that question as it's pretty dull.
You dont "nuke" a chick over something like this. Get over yourself.
Fully understand this. It's something you have to slowly calibrate into by reading theory and trial and error. Dont overreact to stuff, try not caring so much when shit goes wrong. Laugh instead.
imtranscending 2y ago
You're analysis is correct, I'm reacting when I shouldn't. She probably posted that picture for attention, which I gave her. Replying to that was what the rest of simps and BP betas did. Due to my lower SMV, replying pushed me into her frame, so I was trying to regain control. That's why I went on with her sarcasm, and wanted to nuke her for it. But as you said, it's not worth it. She's in a different part of the country, and is a girl I'd fuck. I'm just gonna next her like everyone is saying. You're all saying IG is for female validation, and a place where high SMV men can look for plates. I'd have to agree.
coolsocks00 1 2y ago
Try to look at it as a game when girls throw shit tests at you. Solving the puzzle should be fun. Getting shit tests just means she recognizes your attempt to hook up with her and is testing your character. Personally i enjoy the challenge.
At first you will be annoyed and rattled by even the slightest test, like this one. Later, only the really good ones will get you, only for you to realise at a later time that you failed the test horribly. In the end, the goal is to be unfazed by anything ANY girl throws at you, even ones you love, because you have abundance and have taken the RP to heart.
Embrace shit tests and see them for what they are; opportunities.
If you havent done it yet you should read Illimitableman's blog post on shit tests, and of course the sidebar in general.
You CAN always try to pick up chicks on IG/dating apps even before you are satisfied with your SMV. It's just a very low return on your time investment, and you need a high volume. It's mentally draining to fight an uphill battle; i know, i did it. Dont let it take time from your self improvement goals.
NeoSpartan 2y ago
I don't think dating apps are that bad, depending. Instagram is likely terrible since there is not a mutual IOI to work from, going in cold is always worse than warm. Just copy paste some openers from your notepad and spam em out to your dateable matches. Pretty low time investment with that method. I'd say I spend maybe an hour per date, and it's nice to be able to get girls from your couch.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
PS If you are not physically attractive, find better ways to meet women.
Online only works if you're top 10% in looks.
imtranscending 2y ago
Yeah, that seems to be the case. My body is coming along nicely, but my face needs some catching up. I'm in the process of looks maxing, as well as building a social circle in my area for social proof. Then I'm gonna carefully build my IG profile while I work towards a career that yields fame.
ash00000 2y ago
she doesnt give a shit about the message. Message whatever you want, try to get her talking and see. She probably receives a lot of messages already
imtranscending 2y ago
I already fucking know she receives a bunch of dms from BP betas. Every hot girl on IG has simps in her dms. They may have great personalities, but that is second to attraction or arousal. For me, knowing the person isn't enough. To have success, one must be HV in every scenario it seems. Even the fat bitches won't settle for something closer to their SMV. Many of them are fucking delusional, that's why I'm fucked in online dating.