Does this post from the RedPillChristians subreddit about "Frame" make sense or is it nonsensical and just plain bad?
https://www.reddit.com/r/RPChristians/comments/7koh8d/113_christian_frame_part_1_an_introduction/
I'm a Christian but I stay away from that subreddit for personal reasons. One issue I have is with their sidebar article about frame (linked above) where the head-moderator doesn't even correctly define how other TRP communities describe frame. Here is the definition he said comes from the MarriedRedPill subreddit:
"Holding frame" is living and experiencing your best all the time
Does the MarriedRedPill subreddit actually define frame in this way? Was it from the MRP sidebar? This definition (in my humble opinion) is blatantly bad and it reflects very poorly on the judgment to start explaining "Christian frame" by choosing to use a pretty terrible starting definition of frame. Ergo, based on the link at the top of the thread -- does the head-mod of RPC understand frame? Sadly, I'm afraid not.
https://youtu.be/ZxrRajelRCI?t=30
At the 30 second mark of the official frame video from the RPC youtube videos, the top-mod brazenly states "I wrote the sidebar when I was gradually figuring things out for myself" (facepalm-emoji)
The next paragraph of the article at the top of this message clarifies what "Christian frame" means and here is what the article says:
your frame is who God created you to be and incorporates projecting God's worldview through our lives onto the world. In short, it is your identity
What does "God's worldview" mean? I've read the bible and God does not share his worldview -- I assume if God is omnipotent and omniscient then God's worldview means the 100% flawless understanding of reality -- which of course no human will never reach and no human can possibly know what God's worldview is because we are not God and God has never shared his worldview with anyone.
If I have correctly undermined your faith in the RPC top-mod's underestanding of frame -- then great! Let's see what the askTRP sidebar says about frame under the "Fitness and Self-improvement heading". It leads to an amazing post written by Whisper and here is what the article says:
Frame is the process and context in which you interact with another person
THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL DEFINITION OF FRAME and it actually makes sense. Let me now put all 3 definitions together one after another in bulletpoints -- the top one will be from Whisper and the 2nd one will be "allegedly" from MarriedRedPill and the third one is "Christian frame" so you can see how bad the other 2 definitions are compared to the one written by Whisper:
- Frame is the process and context in which you interact with another person
- "Holding frame" is living and experiencing your best all the time
- Your frame is who God created you to be and incorporates projecting God's worldview through our lives onto the world. In short, it is your identity
Now that all 3 are standing next to each other -- is it safe to say that #2 and #3 are dubious?
Here is the best article about frame I have ever seen written: https://www.woujo.com/blog/2018/4/26/how-to-hold-frame
I'd like an honest opinion from someone average or above-average at frame to let me know if my analysis today is correct. If it is correct, I plan to offer to re-write the sidebar article about frame as a favor from one Christian to another Christian (the head mod of RedPillChristians).
redhawkes 2 2y ago
Religion and TRP don't go along well, no matter how much you bullshit yourself. TRP is praxeology, the other is dogma (ideology). You can't have Frame if it's controlled by a third party.
Whisper nailed it. Woujo's post is great . This one is spot on too.
JamesSkepp Moderator 2y ago
The first thing you need to understand that RPCh is RP in name only. Everything, and I mean EVERY single thing, idea, action, solution on that sub is first and foremost filtered through the "God and Bible" filter. Nothing of value can be used if it stands in contradiction to the what's in the Book.
This leads to stuff like in that post "your frame is who god created you", a statement is both meaningless and all-encompassing. Which is how this sub works.
They will reject everything that "goes against god" but they will also hamster to make RP ideas fit into religion, which frankly isn't that hard since RP is about m-f interactions and the Bible is in the most part compromised from the verses that describe or are based on human interaction.
It's not a bad sub per se. They don't have bad intentions, it's just that they are Christians first and foremost and thus don't expect to read anything that wouldn't be said in a church.
You can safely drop the issue. They don't care about maintaining "dogmatic RP purity", we don't care about maintaining Christianity, they don't organize crusades to convert us, we don't send them to Banschwitz for their mental gymnastics around RP ideas . It's pointless to try to change them as they will not listen to any argument unless it goes along with their faith and you can't argue with faith b/c it's your argument vs "God commanded this or that in the Bible".
whytehorse2021 2y ago
In a Christian White Pill ideology, frame is the whole God->Husband->Wife hierarchy called the patriarchy. The husband leads and the wife follows. They gloss over the fundamental things like shit tests, hypergamy, ovulatory shift, alpha fux/beta bux and replace it with "God said...". Islam is the same thing. I think like 90% of religion was designed to deal with the bad behaviours you see in modern women.
placer 2y ago
While the guy who posted this is someone this forum has finally been banned, let me say that there are a wide variety of beliefs and world views represented on this forum. Christianity is not fundamentally incompatible with Red Pill thinking; what is incompatible is having sex outside of a long term (lifetime, actually) LTR.
As a traditional Christian conservative, I can see there’s a lot of Red Pill truth in holy scripture. For example, I Cor 7:5, which plainly states that a Christian is not allowed to refuse to have sex with their spouse. In a Christian marriage, if one person is really in the mood for sex, the sex needs to happen, even if the other person is not in the mood. If the woman can not get wet, use lube; if the man can not get hard, use Viagra. But don’t let the relationship lapse in to one with a dead bedroom. Real Biblical Christianity is based on strong marriages and strong Christ-serving families.