The whole thing seems really shallow and empty. I don't know about anyone else, but as much as I love sex it isn't all I want. I want a woman I can cuddle with at night, have fun with, be my best friend, etc. I want her to be supportive and I want to support her too. I really don't give a shit if another guy calls me "beta". I don't let anyone (women included) take advantage of me, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go through life pretending I'm so hardened and badass when really I'd just be lonely and pathetic. I'd believe myself to be a coward if I did that. True courage is found in the strength I love... First yourself, then others.
So what is the end game for you guys when it comes to women? Just pussy? If so I have to say... I don't get it.
mordanus 10y ago
I think that you misunderstand the red pill. The red pill isn't about getting more sex. It's about acting like a dominant male and after that sex will follow. Confidence is very sexy to a woman and that is pretty much all the red pill is talking about. I believe the premise is that western society right now is trying to feminize men and the red pill is just saying that you don't want a part of that ideology. Whether you want to take the red pill and be the best player or husband is up to you. The red pill is just about knowledge about how to be a better man.
TRPstudent 10y ago
Sex is just a lovely byproduct of an unfuckwithable frame.
roe_ 10y ago
In order to get that stuff (& sex) from a woman you need to be attractive. Which is the main purpose of the sub, ya?
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TRPstudent 10y ago
One of the most unattractive qualities is a man swept off his feet. Hollywood lied.
Peripheryy 10y ago
Learning and following TRP can change long-term relationships for the better. I've been with my girlfriend for 5 years and have noticed big changes since I started following TRP. It's about wayyyy more than just getting laid, but if you continue to work on self-improvement and being more attractive to women, getting laid will just be a nice side-effect.
Amuro_Rey 10y ago
For a long time, I felt the same way. I thought it'd be great to come home to a loving girl that would greet me with a kiss, spend time with me, and have a constant barrage of cuddling and petting. It was then I realized in my mind I was equating female companionship with K9 companionship. :P
My end game is to just enjoy my relationships with women however they are or are however long they last. Zen as fuck. My goals in life are what are most important to me, and women are just a fun thing to do on the side. Full on Bear Alpha mode.
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Dude if you want cuddles, bacon, and blow jobs just go for it. It's absolutely worthwhile IMO, and not even that hard to get. I want all of the above and a couple of women to breed simultaneously. I have one now, who does whatever I tell her, usually without a grumble unless she's in the middle of something else or something, and who I enjoys companionship.
IMO, the only really useful bit of game, though I'm not sure what the PUAs call it, is the Ben Franklin effect. It basically comes down to the more a person is willing to do for you the more they like you. Presumably you want the cuddles to be with someone who likes you right?
For me, the appeal of RP is that people involved have the balls to discuss asserting Male Dominance without whining like MRAs.
browndelicious 10y ago
In the short run, the game is really one of pump and dump. If she's worthy, the mid game is girlfriend territory. The long game? Well...
My goal is to find a worthy longer term partner(s) and continue to have shorter term sexual playmates. The longer term partner(s) could be a life partner, or not.
Most of the women I've been dating aren't going to make the cut to the next level. They might have hot bodies, but that's not enough to qualify for being my girlfriend, much less a long term partner.
Here's the job offered:
sophisticated, intelligent, compassionate, and sexy.
practices mindfulness (i.e. doesn't turn into a raving bitch when she's menstruating, is comfortable with silence and solitude, and regularly meditates).
sets a good example for our children and my extended family (nieces and nephews) with her actions not her words.
thinks independently and inspires me to be a better man. Yes, a good woman can be an inspiration.
behaves and thinks in ways I can respect, and who respects me.
shares my interests, enjoys discussing intellectual and spiritual matters, and has a fiery passion for living life well.
Pussy alone is not a bad objective in the short run, but as you can see, there's a lot more to my agenda. I like the company of strong, desirable women who are worthy enough to keep my longer term interest. If she's impressive enough, she could even be a woman I want to have a family with.
Take it from me, lads. Worthy women (who meet my criteria) are exceptionally rare. In my 20+ years of being sexually active, I've come across such women only a handful of times. One of them, I was married to for 9 years.
Sothght 10y ago
And what exactly makes you worthy of them? What do you have to offer?
browndelicious 10y ago
A lot.
I'm 6'2", exercise several times a week, and have a solid six figure income with goals to move that to seven figures. I'm disease free, have a spiritual practice but not conventionally religious, and I'm LTR/family oriented. I'm well educated, own my own company (but not a workaholic), and I'm driven to live a passionate life. I've got a healthy relationship with my family and the only significant debt in my name is mortgage related.
How about you?
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what happened?
browndelicious 10y ago
She had horrible emotional self management and was an emotional train wreck. Looking back, it's clear that she was emotionally abusive and I eventually got tired of playing therapist. I gave her a choice; seek professional counseling or I'm ending it.
My #2 criteria above is a direct result of that experience. Getting past the compulsive thinking mind is a practice with deep rewards.
I'll also add that it's smart to wait at least 3 years before committing to a relationship. NRE is a very real thing and will completely blindside you to someone's faults. Another good reason to be dating younger women in general.
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You hit the nail on the fucking head. I was infatuated with a chick for 12 straight months. Everyting she did turned me on. After 12 months, I couldn't stand her fucking voice. Her voice and mannerism turned me completely off. Yea, I was reading that to establish a pair bond, the brain secretes a lot of dopamine and other neurotransmitters aka "love".
browndelicious 10y ago
2 year minimum, 3 years preferred. I wouldn't recommend marrying a woman for any reason, given the dozens of negatives associated, but if you must, wait at least 2 years.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/31/health/psychology/31love.html?pagewanted=all