Right baby. OK. You used to love giving BJs, and you sucked off all your previous boyfriends. You loved to take dick up the ass. But, now, you're different, you say? You don't want to do that with me because you're "not like that anymore"? You're a "nice girl" now? You don't do "that stuff" anymore because you want to be a wife and a mommy, and "nice girls don't do that stuff"?
So, really, you don't want to do that fun stuff with me because you want to use, exploit, and take advantage of me in a marriage?
OK. I understand. I get it.
I used to love taking girls out for a fun night and showing them a good time. You know: Drinks. Dinner. Dancing. Enjoying each other's company. Having some laughs. Or maybe even a whole weekend getaway to Cabo or the Caribbean or if we had to slum it, to the Redneck Riviera. Nice hotel. On the beach, poolside, drinks all afternoon.
Yeah, well, I loved doing those things. I still love those things. But I'm just not going to do them with you. I'm not like that anymore. Well, I am still "like that", I'm just not going to be "like that" with you. That treatment you actually like and want - yeah, you're not good enough for that. You don't deserve that.
See, I kind of like you, but I don't love you and I'm never going to love you. You're my safe choice sure thing booty call. I don't, like, you know, actually want to be seen in public with you. No, you're the girl I call when I'm hard up and pent up and need to bust a nut. And that's all you are, and that's all you'll ever be.
Girlfriend? Dancing? Spend time or money on you? No fucking way. Not with you. And you sure as fuck are not commitment or marriage material. You'll need to be happy with being the backbencher 4th stringer, who gets called up when everyone else is busy doing something or someone else.
You understand, don't you, baby?
That's how it is when you tell me you love doing that thing I love, but you won't do it with me.
I'm so glad we understand each other.
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Why would anyone tolerate that kind of bullshit? Seriously. I mean she is obviously degrading you on purpose. Tell her to pound sand.
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You people have no fucking sense of satire and parody, do you
Impressive-Cricket-8 Endorsed 2y ago
I used to pay for everything, but now I've even transcended feminism: you pay for dinner.
FreeDinnerStrategies 2y ago
If you pay anything for a woman, you are a clown. Tall, white Chad isn’t paying a cent for these ran through, depressed, insecure hoes. He sends a “come over” text on Tuesday at 2am and she’ll tack on makeup from that special set she was saving for special occasion, and drive through tornado watch for 20 minutes of tall colonizer validation.
These thots have been with enough guys to know the pattern. There are chads, and there are simps/providers. Only one of those offers to pay, tries to get to know her, texts on time, etc. You’ll immediately be labeled the lesser of the two camps and never come close to getting a whiff of that cock sleeve. Sure, she may settle for you and your resources, but you will never get that enthusiastic sucking like your white rope is laced with NBA genetics, and she will never respect or love you.
You did not keep your head in the books throughout your 20s and 30s, for a social media addicted skank who saw you as subhuman while you were building yourself to insert herself into your already-established and stable life to suck your resources dry like a financial vulture.
One-Move 2y ago
My wallet my choice
OhBarnacles_007 2y ago
I ask guys all the time when's the last time your girl took you out for dinner and a movie or whatever. You will see anger and excuses fly out faster then the airforce. Women hate being exposed for using a guy but giving nothing back.
upsidedownbackwards 2y ago
First date I will always do under the premise of going dutch. If the date goes well I'll pay. It prevents women that are looking for an easy meal, and it also prevents them from going for the expensive items they wouldn't get if they were paying.
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
What criteria do you use to judge if it has gone “well”
And I mean you personally
I have lost count of dates that I thought went well where I was ghosted shortly after. Perhaps i am just naive and/or optimistic? Or bad at reading signs. Latter is most likely true I guess
(Edited for some spelling howlers and clarification)
polishknightusa 2y ago
What happened with me in the 80’s was that a few times career women would offer to go dutch on a date that had gone well, I’d be grateful, and then ghosted. I figured out they were expecting me to play the “I’m a gentleman and insist upon paying because you’re doing me a favor by spending my money.” A lot of guys apparently were trained in that manner which I found to not be for me. I wasn’t going to be a sexual beggar.
So I played games back. Whatever my plans, I found the best time to plan the 2nd date was near the end of the 1st (and keep the 1st date short). Back then, I didn’t dare to consider physical escalation and pulling sex on the first date. Basically, if a woman is excited about the second date, and even discussing planning it, then things went well. And then I did a test: I let her offer to pay again, and the look on her face was priceless. Almost as good as getting laid. Heck, in hindsight it’s better. I don’t remember the sex I had back then but her face? I could sketch it now. Anger and disgust. I had my answer: Nearly all women back then that would date the likes of me would rather die than pay their own way on a date.
But yeah, if you set up the order of things carefully you can gauge her interest and what she’s up to.
Another trick: Pre-eat before getting there. If you order a small salad and side appetizer, it sets the precedent for her to keep her calorie count down. Heck, it may also set the precedent that a hungry woman is a more submissive one. Mention that you’re on a new workout regime and eating more healthy.
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
Maybe it is just me or the time I am reading this but this is the second of your replies I haven’t quite understood
What was the first game you assumed was being played? “Doing me a favour by spending my money”. When she offered to go halves? Doing who a favour
I’m sorry but again this isn’t computing
And what did you mean by offering to let her pay again? Do you mean at the end of a first date where she split the bill you arranged a second and said “this one will be halves again” or something like that? And she reacted with disgusts ?
Sorry if I am being really dense here ! It seems to have been a long week. This morning I was convinced it was Friday
polishknightusa 2y ago
Sorry for the lack of clarify. Shall elaborate.
Indeed the "game" still sickens me that someone would offer to pay, almost always dutch (halfsies), as a "test" to see if the other person accepts and then labels him cheap. She wants to see if the guy "passes" by "insisting" on paying as if she's doing HIM a favor and she gets credit for "offering" to pay. Yeah, it is weird but they demand the man pretend she's doing him a favor by spending his money because that's part of begging for sex. The ultimate beta behavior which was common back then AND women seemed to prefer and like it.
Now the game I played in retort was similar but I set them up: If she ghosts me after I accept her offer to pay half, she at least can leave with her head held high that I hadn't confirmed a second date. By confirming the second date BEFORE the check arrives, I had openly established her interest and by her ghosting me after I accept her dutch treat halfsies, I have exposed her game.
Looking back, I could have really framed this quite well by saying "OK, I was joking. I'm paying!" and seeing her express a sigh of relief. Back then, and now, I just don't like game players because they lack moral responsibility: They project onto others what they're doing (in this case, she's tricking the guy into paying via emotional extortion and yet she believes she's testing him for being "cheap").
Friends of mine from the era who just went-along-to-get-along are often divorced and have had the divorces turn nasty. One had his ex-wife alienate him from his daughter and he's waiting for her to grow up so he can chat with her about it, but who knows what emotional damage has happened?
I suppose, in hindsight, for the hotter ones who had money (that I could get my hands on), I should have considered reforming them via the punishment system: Catch them with their hands in the cookie jar, toy with them back, and continue to escalate intimacy and establish and retain dominance.
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
Splitting the bill seems standard in the U.K. and I have seen that mentioned on more neutral subs than this. But now I wonder whether it is still part of the test but that “game” is just culturally ingrained here. That might be a little too cynical
As to game playing - I had a girl accuse me of game playing where she was the one who left me on read and who told me in the early dating phase that she was going out for dinner with another guy to test my reaction because apparently an annoyed reaction meant I was getting too attached. Not that I was grossed out by the idea of her on a date with someone else
It was at the end of a long week of work and commuting so i had a far more irritable reaction to the whole thing
And a month later I was the one accused of game playing. Nuts
Bob_and_Virginia 2y ago
Splitting the bill is The Law in the Nederlands. That's why it's called "Going Dutch".
Haha! Just kidding!
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INteresting.
Here in the US, if a woman specifically offers to split the bill with you, it means she is not sexually attracted to you, she is not interested in you, and you will not be taking her out again. She is essentially saying "let's just be friends" without saying that. Take her up on it, split the bill, and end the date as fast as you can.
However, if YOU state you want to split the bill before she says anything about that, she will take that as a personal insult. Even if you like her, you will not be taking her out again. If she likes you, she will expect you to pay the bill. If you do not, or if you act as if you expect her to contribute, she'll pay some, and you will never see her again because there will be no second date.
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
I’m not saying that isn’t the case in the U.K.
But if it is it’s much more down low/hidden that that is the expectation. I have just seen, as mentioned, people commenting on other subs that in the U.K. splitting is expected and it’s kind of insulting to imply they can’t pay.
That said I have had two actual dates go beyond the first and maybe that is why. Although to be fair of the many failed first dates I have been on only two have been dinner (and split). One was clearly awkward - just the eating and talking part.
The other messaged me after saying we didn’t have any mutual interests - despite spending almost the whole evening talking about our mutual interest in fitness/gym. I guess what that really meant was “you say you are into it but your not built enough so either you are pretending to share an interest or you are not my type because you are not jacked”. Although she was very clearly one of those primary school teachers who drank a big glass of wine every evening to get through a week having her lack of children constantly rammed in her face by babysitting other peoples
Regularly if I’m meeting someone for a drink they seem surprised that I will pay for theirs. Now maybe they have been so drilled by negative feminism that they don’t want to feel they “owe” anything.
Or perhaps I fail the instant assessment of “do I see myself fucking this guy” that women make within 30 seconds and then the rules you mention above kick in - she wants to pay because she isn’t interested
I really don’t know
I just go back to seeing British women on other subs (I think dating focused ones) bristle when they read the comments about how dating is worse for men because they always have to pay etc.
If that is indeed the US culture then the focus on walks / coffee dates (including the women rating about them on tiktok) makes loads more sense. I know there are US specific elements like doggy bags (including some men saying a woman will take a doggy bag back to the guy she is sleeping with “for free” that evening). That part can’t happen in the U.K. at least
Come to think of it I’m not sure I have really seen many of those tiktok compilations showing British women bitching about coffee dates or walks and how they aren’t “proper dates”.
cum_toast 2y ago
Id say it goes well if you get a first kiss/make out or more. If not then she's probably not interested
upsidedownbackwards 2y ago
If I would want to go out with them again. That's going to be just off vibe/conversations.
CentralAdmin 2y ago
I once got into an argument about this very thing. Women swear high and low that how you treated previous partners doesn't matter. That as long as you are good to her, the current one, that's important.
So, I tried the argument that I used to take out the ex for dinner and drinks and vacations. I paid for everything. I treated her well. With you I don't pay for anything or expect you to pay. The women said that's okay as long as we are happy. They signalled some virtue.
Okay, fair enough. I went for the ovaries. I said that imagine I fucked my ex with the aim of having a baby after 3 months of dating. With you it's been two years and I still use condoms. I check they don't leak and I make sure to dispose of them in such a way to make sure you don't get the idea of fishing it out the garbage to impregnate yourself with a turkey baster. I don't want you pregnant at all.
That got a reaction.
Another one that worked was commitment. After 3 months you updated your social media status with the ex. You were boyfriend and girlfriend. It took more than 2 years and lots of sex for the same to happen with the current one. You were talking of marriage before the first year with the ex. After 2 years you haven't mentioned marriage once with the current woman. Women date with the aim of getting married. No woman wants to just be a forever girlfriend.
This one also annoyed them more than the money, though we know the money is important. Women want social status. Being a wife is a social status and security boost. They don't mind treating men as disposable but would hate it if men did the same to them. They are hypocrites.
Overkillengine 2y ago
That's the real reason they hate red-pill/manosphere communities.
Because those places teach men how to treat women like how women treat men.
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Right. With the first woman you were offering indicia of commitment almost immediately (baby, girlfriend status, "getting serious"). Current woman is just a long term fuckbuddy.
First woman is getting all the benefits she wants while you're giving her everything and getting little back. Great deal for her.
Current woman gets lots of sex and no commitment from you. She gives you everything you want, you give her very little back. Great deal for you.
"I gave my prior women commitment; but I won't give that to you." Yeah. Women will hate that. Kind of like "I gave all my prior boyfriends awesome BJs, but I won't give that to you."
ZodiacBrave98 2y ago
That is a brilliant approach. Avoids the well-trodden talking point and goes right to the heart : status.
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
I expect that first one mainly got a reaction because you went as far as to talk about disposal and Turkey basters. That is definitely on the extreme side of thing. I guess this was the intent? What I am saying is I’m not sure you would have got a reaction if you just stopped at “2 years and still using condoms”
They likely remained stoic on the money as they spotted that obvious trap. Few women would be brazen enough to say “oh I’d leave you if you didn’t spend loads of money on me” directly to your face. Even if it was true (which let’s face it…)
CentralAdmin 2y ago
Well I didn't use the turkey baster off the bat. But with others I did. The thing is they claim money isn't an issue but by every metric "generosity" is seen as attractive to women. They want to guarantee that you keep paying so being seen as worth having a kid is a plus. If he won't impregnate you, he won't keep spending on you.
Money aside, I guarantee if she discovered you raw dogged the ex to get pregnant and you use protection on her every time, she will be pissed.
NoonTimeHoopsMVP 2y ago
I always laughed at that line of "logic" they tried to use in this case.
It is so backwards that my brain hurts thinking about it.
Anal sex with random guy at club is OK. But anal sex with husband is dirty and not a sign of ultimate devotion.
Yeah, OK.
DicamVeritatem 2y ago
Been there, been the sucker, won’t go there again.
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YEah. The cognate to "I won't suck your dick or do anal with you" is "I won't take you on a date or spend money on you because you'll never be more than a side chick".
Thing is, it's counterintuitive. The women you treat like side chicks are the ones who will suck your dick and do anal....
DicamVeritatem 2y ago
No surprise to anyone here, but it’s outrageous that a woman can rope a man she’s not hot for into marriage, deny him sex within the marriage, and then, when the poor bastard can’t take being a married incel any longer and divorces her…she can walk away with a seven digit settlement…and that’s after jumping on a new dick within hours of being served papers.
Sorta like “crime pays”.
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…and he’ll be the one painted as the bad guy.
Jihocech_Honza 2y ago
"I loved doing those things. I still love those things. But I'm just not going to do them with you. I'm not like that anymore."
I am a mature man and I see you as a serious partner. We need to be responsible and save money for our house and future children.
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No, that's a different chica. This chica is the side chick, the booty call. This is the girl who doesn't get nights out or dates. I love to take certain girls out for fun, but not THESE girls. THESE girls are for sex, and that's it.
Tzimiscelord 2y ago
Masterful
fuzzy_brb 2y ago
I love this post. Haha
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Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 2y ago
Holy fuck you're a retard