Decided to turn this into a little post. This is for the men and women out there who take grievous offense to these subreddits and posts. And to the women we highlight.
The identity of the messenger doesn't negate the validity of the message. People's dislike for the messengers doesn't disprove the message.
Facts are stubborn things. People's dislike or distaste for the message doesn't disprove the truth of the message. Exceptions to the rule only prove it, they don't negate it.
The fact that certain people take the message personally or think the message is critical of them says more about them than it says about the messenger.
Even if we were incels, we'd still be right.
Yeah, we "got hurt". We're still right.
Even if we hated women, we'd still be right.
Even if we're "bitter", we're still right.
Just because some people don't like certain facts doesn't make those facts any less factual.
Facts don't care about feelings. Just because a fact makes some people feel bad doesn't make those facts any less factual.
The claim of "Not All Women Are Like That" only serves to prove our point - there are bad women out there, and we are showing them to you RIGHT HERE.
It's neither our problem nor our fault that some people take the message personally or think it's about them. If you're getting angry about the message, well, you need to check yourself.
Maybe some of you need to examine why you're getting so offended at these posts. If you are, well, that's your problem, not ours.
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
Can I just enquire about the “exception proves the rule” point?
What is stopping detractors claiming that there are loads of “exceptions” to the point where that is the most common and therefore the true “exceptions” are the women posted about on here and prove the “rule” that “women aren’t all bad”
Just trying to think on how the logic might be twisted
I guess in cases like 50+ % divorces and 80+% initiated by women you can point to what “the rule” actually is
But detractors will surely look elsewhere for other points
I guess I have just always wondered about the “exception that proves the rule” line of argument
[deleted] 2y ago
Women operate in terms of possibility because they're trained to operate in a fairy tale world. Men on the other hand are trained to provide, so in order to become successful providers, we men operate in reality, which means, we operate in terms of probability. That's why the exception proves the rule because what matters is the amount of probability instead of the possibility.
Is it possible to find the most amazing, loyal, feminine wife on the world, even though she was the most promiscuous woman in the country? Yes, it is. Is it probable it will happen to me? No, it is not probable. In fact, it will be mostly 99.99% probable you will never happen to find it.
alljunks 2y ago
The rarity of an exception proves the rule for everyone else. Detractors don’t disagree since they didn’t grab a random example and point it at you, they hunted for one. The average case can’t be vouched for when you have data covering 50+% of women on multiple fronts
Another thing is that detractors can’t detract for long. They have to support the data you provided: claim that the divorces were just or that it’s reasonable to ignore Indian men until they make hundreds of thousands more than their peers, so the attempt to present exceptions is usually swapped out pretty quickly with an attempt to encourage men to become statistics.
[deleted] 2y ago
The "exception proves the rule" point simply refers to what women usually do, which is pointing to the extreme, extreme outlier result as "proof" that whatever a woman wants, she should be able to have, and that "not all women are like that!"
Like this:
Or this:
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
Got it . I am mainly wanted to challenge a point that is most open for criticism
Other examples would be that single mom who married the crown prince of Denmark which somehow proves it could happen for any of them
Or Meghan being mid 30s and marrying a prince despite being married once , dated a porn actor and done who knows what else to try and get roles in Hollywood . (Oh and for the crowd - being made a princess still wasn’t enough. She was a strong independent modern woman who refused to follow the rules and etiquette until she put herself in a position where she felt she had to walk out )
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 2y ago
I don't get that phrase either.
I just acknowledge that exceptions exist, and though they exist, they don't make generalities that are true any less true.
bitcoin-optimist 2y ago
A more verbose version of "the exception proves the rule" might be:
"The desperate need to find an exception, and the lack of evidence for the exception, is what proves the rule."
warlocc_ 2y ago
I'll add to the other answers as well.
Whenever someone brings up AWALT or NAWALT, or talks about exceptions, I mention gun safety. One of the core things you'll hear when talking gun safety is "Always treat guns as if they're loaded."
Not all guns can fire. Some are old and rusted, some are props, some are disabled, some are replicas. But you never know for certain when you first pick up a gun if it's capable or not. So you treat it that way and stay safe.
It's the same principle when we say "All women are like that." Are there some that aren't? Sure. But if you ignore the safety rule, you're gonna shoot yourself in the foot pretty quick.
InevitableOwl1 2y ago
It’s very much that all women “can be like that” with little to no repercussions
I think it is Better Bachelor that says that - probably other as well
They all have the option / capacity
warlocc_ 2y ago
It still lines up with what I said. All guns can fire unless they're disabled in some way.
Best to treat them as if they can by default.
[deleted] 2y ago
AWCBLT!
samwize1701 2y ago
All Women Can Bacon Lettuce Tomato?
[deleted] 2y ago
Are you kidding? Women these days barely know how to boil a pot of water, nevermind knowing how to get in the kitchen and make me a sammich.
AlextheHun24 2y ago
I like to put in a few words, I don’t hate women nor simps or white knights nor feminists. What I don’t like is the hypocrisy demonstrated by the group of people I mentioned earlier in the comment. In order for me to hate you I have to care about you and I don’t.
SnakeEyeskid 2y ago
The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.
AlextheHun24 2y ago
That’s exactly how I feel.
SnakeEyeskid 2y ago
I wish I could afford not to care.. But I live in clown world (Sweden) and we are 10-20y ahead on this..
Like feminists ruled our capitol and decided not to plow the streets in the winter, only the sidewalks. Reason? More men drive cars and use streets then women. Feminist snowplowing they called it.
Your crazys (if you're american) just got out of uni (college)... Ours are in local parliaments, the government, they left a few months ago after ruining our electric grid and increasing pollution with, well we only had green electricity before the green took power, they closed nuclear plants and started burning oil.
So from zero emission to oil dependency, all to save the climate! That's how dangerous incompetence is. I cant afford not to care, just like how many swedes now can't afford electricity....
Snoo16680 2y ago
Male discussion, and view points, to dating* is in a negative feedback loop. Successful men, and those who want to mimic them, usually dont go around taking about negative stuff. Even if you are hurting you puff up your chest and carry on, anything else is seen badly.
This gives power to the other side**, which is of course grabbed and used. Used to make the men that disagree publically shunned, and seen badly.
The result? Only men that are already outsiders say certain things, even true things ! Even things that affect All of us, in terrible ways! Especially bad are the most bitter incels.
*And possibly life in general, but at least in dating.
**Whoever they may be. Usually folks who talk/think badly of men, want stuff from us, often woke in some form, and so on.
Flashy_Glove6208 2y ago
This sub is a safe space for men to learn about good, bad and ugly truth of the female nature, divorce and family court laws.
It's 100% right, if a woman posted asking for advice, we'd give her our best, genuine advice.
That being said by default this subs is focused on helping and educating men, how to spot red flags, avoid bad, damaged women and live their happy lives.
We don't advocate for any specific way of life like mgotw, red pill, black pill, pick up artist or LTRs. We educate, call out female bad behaviour so that men can make the best, rational decisions which fit their lifestyle choices.
lurkerhasarisen Mod 2y ago
This is a key point. What you described is not a theoretical event: people we have confirmed to be women comment here all the time, and nobody bats an eye. I'm certainly not alone in having had productive discussions with women in the comment section.
From what I've been able to ascertain, most of our female regulars are married, although we've had a few single women looking to avoid the kinds of mistakes that result in women being left standing when the music stops.
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 2y ago
I advocate strongly for the Red Pill.
To sum it up to almost oversimplification: it's being aware of your own nature, women's nature, and looking out for yourself and your interests.
fewdo 2y ago
Why are posts here just links to other posts in the sub with mostly the same title?
cryptothrow2 2y ago
There's a reason. It was a sticky once
fewdo 2y ago
ohhh! There are two communities with almost identical names!
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre
loneliness-inc Mod 2y ago
I sell hats. It isn't my fault when the hat fits your head.
SirLoose12 2y ago
Being right and using facts is toxic masculinity and a sign of stunted emotional maturity. I saw that on The View.
BetterHimThanMe 2y ago
Ecellent post.
LilwINTERGOD 2y ago
I couldn't help but start singing Carly Simon's song.
Schmurby 2y ago
I just read all of this twice and I still can’t figure out what it is you think you’re “right” about?
user84893093748959 2y ago
The writer is asserting that the messages being conveyed in this forum are true - even if the reader perceives the writer lacks ethos (status or authority). I don't think a more specific message was identified or referenced.
Perhaps you may want to consider rephrasing to a gentle ask for the specific point being made, if you found the point unclear.
Thanks!
[deleted] 2y ago
You need to spend some time reading here at this site and at r/whereareallthegoodmen. I can see from your post history you just stumbled in here and you don't know what you're talking about. Since you don't know what you're talking about, you don't even know what to ask.
Next time, read, think, THEN ask questions.
Schmurby 2y ago
This doesn’t seem like the right way to welcome guests
[deleted] 2y ago
Asking questions without understanding the place and location where you're a guest doesn't seem like the right way to be a guest.
Failing to read the room doesn't seem like a good way to be a guest.
Good guests read the room and partake of what's on offer. They don't demand to be spoonfed.
Schmurby 2y ago
Well, it’s good exercise to be able to summarize your point to a person who doesn’t know anything about it. An elevator speech, so to speak.
Can you do that?
Goldmansachs3030 2y ago
You know what, go to this sub and the sub OP mentioned. Read some text based posts, the pinned ones at the top and the sidebars. If you are a male, this is for you.If a female, this may very well warn you what not to do what most females think is good to do and are being fed lies about empowerment.
Seriously, try to read old posts. And read the last one on this sub, it would have an email in it.That was some good shit.
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 2y ago
That shit's tiresome, when the material is already there and the asker is just too lazy to look and read.
It tells us that the asker isn't seeking understanding, but rather attention.
[deleted] 2y ago
This is like me, who you've never seen before, walking uninvited into your house at lunchtime, and demanding that you feed me a seven course gourmet meal.
"Yo, asshole. McDonalds is on the main drag."
[deleted] 2y ago
No. go to r/whereareallthegoodmen and go to the top bar and click "top". Read the top one or two posts. Then you'll understand what we're about. Or go over to the sidebar at said subreddit and read there.
Schmurby 2y ago
Ok. I went and did what you suggested.
Is the point of this sub that a lot of women harbor unrealistic expectations of dating?
If so, yeah. Many of them do. So what?
jymssg 2y ago
You right never mind, just disregard the advice and good luck to you
[deleted] 2y ago
So, you learn to identify and avoid said women. And have a laugh at the ridiculous profiles.
Schmurby 2y ago
Having a laugh is something I’m always on board with.