This is using demographics data from the US census and the general social survey: http://www.iwonderifyouareoutthere.com/
Criteria that I most often hear associated with "high value man" include:
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six-figure salary
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at least 6' tall (72 inches)
- college degree
Selecting just those three criteria eliminates 99% of the population. A note about the site - it shows the percentage of the total population, and that includes women and men under 18. But the total number of men over 18 is, according to the site, 120,823,839.
With the 3 criteria above, it shows 869,931 men left, which is 0.72% of men over 18. The website shows a slightly lower number (0.27%) because it's showing the percentage of the total population.
At any rate, the most common definition of "high value man" is already a 1% man.
Adding these additional popular requirements:
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single
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healthy weight
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heterosexual
- doesn't have kids
Gets us down to 59,817 men, or 0.05% of the men we started with. And note that I didn't select a particular age or race. I also didn't mention dick size (the site has data for that too). And remember that not all of these 0.05% of men will be attractive to any given woman (some of them might be bald!!)
The question I would ask of any of woman wondering "where are all the good men" is this: if you desire a man in the top 0.05% or less, that means he is one man in 5000. To put that another way, he is the most attractive man out of 5000 randomly selected men.
So, imagine that I put you in a room with 4999 randomly selected women. How many of those women would also want that man? Half? Maybe more?
The question you have to answer is: could you out-compete those thousands of other women? Do you really think you're the most attractive one in the room? And if you are (you're not, but let's play hypothetical) are you going to make demands on this guy? Are you going to tell him he has to wait 3 months for sex? Wont he just turn to the second hottest girl in the room and ask her if she'll make a better deal?
[deleted] 2y ago
Awesome post.
Pic889 2y ago
I guess this explains the whole "men are privileged" narrative. Keep in mind that when women say that "men are privileged", they talk about the men they are interested in, aka the men who meet their "standards".
Guess what ladies, the men who meet your narrow standards ARE privileged.
-The ones looking for an LTR will enter an LTR in the age of 17 the latest, which means they are out of the dating pool.
-The ones not looking for an LTR have literally zero incentive to settle and not go about increasing their n-count as much as possible, because they literally have a parade of women to choose from. Hence the whole "privilege" those men have.
This is why "male privilege" cannot be eliminated via legislation. Because the things that generate that privilege (the ability of those men to fuck and dump as many women as they can due to supply and demand dynamics) are the the kind of stuff the government cannot legislate against (sort of legally mandating monogamy).
Hence why "male privilege" is so tough to articulate in concrete terms. The only way to articulate it is to admit it cannot be solved without legally mandating monogamy.
Bob_and_Virginia 2y ago
This is similar to the 'I Got Standards, Bro' website. Only not as funny.
Bob_and_Virginia 2y ago
OK, so I unchecked a bunch of boxes and got less than 0.65% of match. Depressing!
On the other hand, that website found me a "Choker Tee" at the Amazon fashion store! whatever the hell that is.
Bob_and_Virginia 2y ago
I am going to try again and be even pickier. My goal is to get 0% match.
Freestripe 2y ago
Lol I did for women aged 19-34. By selecting nothing except they have to not be overweight or obese dropped the percentage from 11.1% to 4.0%.
Cissnowflake 2y ago
Yeah, but you see “I am the table.”
Apparently that’s a mic-drop thing to say. CONVERSATION OVER, I AM THE QWEEN.
variedpageants 2y ago
Yeah but here's the thing: tables are useful
And that's what the question, "what do you bring to the table" is asking. What do you contribute.
It'd actually be fine if women said, "I contribute sex" - no complaints here! I just think it's important to articulate that.
The question is so shocking (and a bit offensive) to women today because nothing in our culture or in their lives has ever placed any demands on them. They have always been celebrated just for existing. They literally cannot even imagine what it would be like to be more than that.
In past generations, the answer to that question was manifold.
cooperation in forming a new family. I honestly don't care who takes whose name, but nobody would hyphenate. You'd create one unified family.
children ...I guess I have to be more specific here... your children, not somebody else's.
assistance in raising the children - you'd share values and she'd pass them onto your children, even if you died in the fucking coal mine.
care of the home
exclusive sexual access. You wouldn't be Mr. 238, and she wouldn't cheat on you.
And for all of that, you would pay with hard work for many decades. And she would basically own every penny you earned. Men of past generations didn't go out and buy frivolous shit - all their money went to support the family. My dad's hobby was woodworking and he had an allowance for tools and raw material.
Women today want what they want - they're very vocal about it. But the answer to what they bring to the table ...the true answer, is
[deleted] 2y ago
Unfortunately, there's slim pickings among the "best deals" out there these days, mostly single moms, feminist sluts, broken-down post-wall former party girls, and women who act like men wondering WhErE hAvE aLl tHe GoOd MeN gOnE???
Even in a room of 10,000 women, none of them would be any kind of "bare minimum deal".
polishknightusa 2y ago
Google the term "magical thinking" and add the keywords "narcissist" and "psychotic".
"Magical thinking" is the idea that one is "special" and therefore the normal laws of math and logic don't apply to them. (Knock on wood). We all do this to a certain extent when we engage in superstitious behavior. Normal superstitious behavior is largely fear driven: "Don't step on that crack, you'll break your mother's back!" but narcissists believe they have a "system" to beat the casino.
So sure, all those other ho's want that hot guy at the speed dating seminar (heck, that's what makes him so hot after all!) But she’s got a trick up her sleeve: She wants a guy whose self-confident BUT sensitive! See, he cries at the sight of kittens and she’s got one whose got a little black patch above his eye. He’s so cute! Oh, and that little darling that Chad impregnated her with has the sweetest smile too! So see! A REAL man wants a REAL woman like her with those MAGICAL qualities so those other women don’t stand a chance!
adriannmng 2y ago
This is just from my own experience. As a background I had a marriage, kids, then got divorced, lost all my stuff. After that dated more than 50 women. So this is just an opinion. The OP has the math spot on. What is missing is the emotional part. You can be dirt poor, poor hygiene, no career prospects whatsoever, have 3 kids from a previous relationship, be short (below 6, I am 5.10). All of it flies out the window if as a man you give the southern emotional roller coaster. I am originally from a southern very temperamental country. All I have to do is let that part fly free. Without exception, all the women I met were like bees collecting honey. The more temperamental emotional stuff I did the more they liked it. E.g. a mundane event at work, like my PC is acting out, I recount it as a thunderstorm, fighting with the IT guys like a medieval knight. Yelling, arms moving every way, lots of anger. Now just imagine the real quite calm call with the IT, and the way recounting it to the woman in this way. They absolutely love it.
Fairwareprovidence 2y ago
Hold on am I reading this right? 12 million women make over 100k a year vs 11 million men? That doesn't sound right
blablaluah 2y ago
I don't see how you can be baffled by that. Many women are on OF and other thot sites printing dollars...
However if you peel back a layer, it just says over 100k but does not go into much detail. I think most of these 11 million men make much over 100k and also do it for a prolonged period unlike the women (thotery has expiry date).
Fairwareprovidence 2y ago
Well, we have been saying the gender wage gap is a myth. Guess this is just another layer in the slab of evidence
LVL50JustThisGuy 2y ago
I love this page:I rank so damned high, my ego swells for a year.
...so I re-check it twice a year. XD
.000027791634511872005%, or 1 of the 89 men in the US, of any age range.
TheLaughingMelon 2y ago
I wonder how accurate this data is.
I'm just a relatively regular guy and it's telling me there are 0 men in the US like me and the percentage is 2x10-⁸ or 0.00000002%.
LVL50JustThisGuy 2y ago
This one is my favorite go-to when I lose perspective on my "value".
https://igotstandardsbro.com/
The Bureau of Statistics in the USA is easily accessible, but the way we receive the data can be twisted internally as well as on the screen.
Are you looking for "you"?
Then, Tag! You're it!
That's an extremely rare commodity.
variedpageants 2y ago
Another note on that website: it's doing straight percentages as if they are independent. They often aren't.
As a quick example, black man are underrepresented among men making over $100k. So if you pick just those two criteria, the website is going to give you a number that is slightly too high. There are fewer black men making six figures than the website claims.
It's not too far off though, so it's fine to use for estimates.
I-am-the-lul 2y ago
Also while men who are 6 foot or more only make about 16% of the adult male population, the proportion of men who are the top 5% wealthiest who are also 6 foot or more is roughly half, for example over 60% of CEOs are 6 foot plus.