Controlling a man through sex has been the plate du jour for modern women. Before the sexual revolution, women didn't divorce men for cheating because they needed a provider. Brothels have long been a mainstay of society and affairs are as old as marriage. So if a woman with-held sex from a man, he could get it elsewhere. Even a short, fat bald guy could go down to the local tavern and have sex with a nice looking young whore. Very wealthy men had mistresses.
Well, fast forward to today and women no longer need providers. So if a man cheats, she can divorce him and leave. And they do. But why? Wouldn't it be easier to lose weight and put out more? Maybe go to counseling? I'll tell you why: because they have lost control of the man at that point. With-holding sex for compliance is no longer an option. She didn't get married because she loved and wanted a man. She did it because she wanted a slave.
Men are slowly figuring this out. The sexual revolution and birth control combined with equal opportunity and no-fault divorce gave women a whole new deal. They could cheat without getting pregnant, be sluts, optimize hypergamy, dual mating strategies, divorce rape, etc. Most of what we see on reddit in this sub and a few others is all related to this. It's a bad deal for men. It's the 1950s version for men and the 2020s version for women.
Rollo probably had no idea how ingenious it was to tell men to never commit to women. More specifically, he means never being sexually exclusive. If a woman really loved you then she would rather share you than lose you. She wouldn't try to use sex to make you a slave. She wouldn't care at all if you cheat. She'd be worried how she can make sex with her so fulfilling you wouldn't want other women.
So when women ask where are all the good men, what they really mean is where are all the good slaves. The ones with lots of resources and can be controlled through sex. That's what they're really asking. When you see a profile with a list of demands, think of it as an advertisement for a particular type of slave.
Good women get wifed up easily and keep their men. Even a formerly blue pilled guy like myself was happy and successful in a marriage with a traditional woman. When my wife found out I cheated she said it's OK and started working on her body and sex performance. When she's unavailable for sex for whatever reason she knows I'll get it somewhere else. It's not a big problem because she isn't using sex to control me. It's not worth divorcing a devoted, loving husband and the father of her sons over sex. She gets all the hot wild sex she wants plus a good man. She'll never be asking WAATGM. Neither will Hillary Clinton, Melania Trump, Meghan Markle, Jaque Kennedy, etc.
TLDR: WAATGM women want a slave they can control through sex but can't find any takers.
RX-HER0 2y ago
Regardless, Cheating is bad. No getting around that.
TheBrownChick 2y ago
So, did you only marry your wife for sex?
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
No, I'm gay. I married her so she can be my slave because I am an evil tyrannical patriarch
Tricky_Ad_7146 2y ago
I feel bad for your wife
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
You probably do. She has everything and you have nothing. Some women hate it when other women are happy. Crabs in a bucket. She gets alpha monster cock all day, a good father and husband, orgasmic sex, doesn't have to slave away at a corporation, a strong family, etc. Sometimes I hear her just humming away in bliss in the kitchen and then I smack her ass and she tugs me into the bedroom. 17 years and going strong.
My_cat_yells 2y ago
One sentence in and it's already gibberish lmao
Mountain_Fish_4982 2y ago
Tf are you talking about? No self-respecting person should ever have to share their significant other/spouse with someone else in an intimate way in order to prove their love. I understand that a lot of relationships eventually become somewhat transactional and one of the tools women use is sex as their currency but equating not letting your spouse sleep around to being their slave is just idiotic
Sea_Reach_7099 2y ago
Yeah. Op is a piece of shit. I wouldn't want a woman who was okay with me cheating.
1SmoothSerpent 2y ago
So then if you can't perform enough to satisfy your wife is it cool for her to head out and cheat? To get better dick somewhere else?
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Correct. Unfortunately she's not a hoe so she doesn't do it.
FirefighterOk6944 2y ago
I agree with most of your post but with one huge correction... women today *do* need providers they just use government coercion to obtain them so divorcing your bread winner husband no longer carries any significant life changing consequences. Women in the past faced serious financial repercussions if they divorced their men whereas modern woman uses the government to enslave him. The man is removed but that's it. The house and children and *his paycheck* are still present via child support + alimony. The only difference is he's missing. She can even move her new boyfriend in at her former husbands expense.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Yeah and usually that's the goal of modern women. Get married at 37, have a kid, get divorced when the kid isn't so needy, and then profit! I bailed in 2005. Took myself off the market 17 years ago.
Harry_Teak 2y ago
After decades of research, I've found that the leading cause of divorce is marriage. Wise men do not marry in the first place.
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Its a bad deal. It only benefits if its arranged and has business or political merit.
Harry_Teak 2y ago
Exactly. Marriage was never really meant for the little people. Its main purpose was to unite empires and fortunes.
OwenWentFullMGTOW 2y ago
I mean, holy shit...
cell689 2y ago
Rambling about how dishonest women are, and then confessing that you are a cheater. Hmmm.
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MrNeurotypical 2y ago
It always boils down to hypergamy. Almost all of those women got divorced because they thought they could do better. And then they can't. So they die alone. That's why the divorce rate normalized. I know tons of boomers who got divorced and died or are dying alone. It sent a shockwave through gen X who had to grow up in single parent homes and many opted out of marriage altogether with only 36% currently married. And millenials are down to 26%.
What's even more crazy is when you think about how modern women set their expectations such that 0.05% of men are who they're chasing, and throw in the 26% marriage rates, 50% divorce rates, and it paints a very bleak picture for them.
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Who said they wanted to "do better"? Not all marriages break up because the wife wants them to. What of the husband is a porn addict, is skeezing on the babysitter, is an alcoholic or drug addict? Your ideas are all one sided.
No_Exercise_8670 2y ago
Unfortunately men are dying alone more than women after divorce. As far as I know at least.
Ok_Management4634 2y ago
Fortunately, most men after a divorce learn the true nature of women.
Some men have to be divorced twice, but eventually, they learn marriage is not worth it.. They may never get officially red pilled, but they learn it's a game they can't win. I think men are more pragmatic too.. We don't need the romantic notion of a wife and kids hanging out by our death bed, crying and holding our hands when the Grim Reaper comes for us.. Even if a man is happily married with kids, that's just not a realistic expectation.. Maybe your death gets timed right so the wife happens to be by your side, but you are losing consciousness.. does it really matter? When you get down to it, life is pretty pointless, it's more important to make yourself as happy as possible while you are still alive and not worry about the last 24 hours of your life.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
I met lots of divorcees overseas who remarried to nice women.
DownVotesWrongsOnly 2y ago
Ah yes, his greatest shame.
And the answer is definitely the third option. Never marry a whore.
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Yet of all the cases of a spouse demanding an open relationship I've read about on Reddit, it's always the woman suggesting it. Seems monogamy is wanted only when it works in their favour.
tosernameschescksout 2y ago
Men ask, but they're fucking honest about it. They'll tell you how it is early on. A woman won't do that. She'll tell you years after it's too late so you're fucked if you're not accepting of it.
Traksimuss 2y ago
I love happy stories where it blows up in their face.
TheLaughingMelon 2y ago
The reason an open relationship benefits them so much is because they can extract resources from multiple men at once while hopefully withholding sex from both of them (or with a minimal increase).
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
I thinks it's more about dual mating strategy. She gets hot alpha sex from Chad while ovulating and provision, parenting, and cuddling from Billy.
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Women don't divorce cheaters.
They divorce cheaters who no longer offer benefit of resources.
Do you know how many high-value men have casual meaningless ass on the side? As long as it stays just ass, a woman will look the other way.
A woman will only leave a cheater if one of the following conditions are met:
The woman has secured a more reliable stream of resources
The woman feels that the current stream of resources is unreliable
Only low-value men are controlled by sex because only low-value men have scarcity mentality.
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Fuck you, unless you were in this situation, you really don't know shit.
Go away.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Yeah but the man himself is a resource. Plenty of high value men are blue pilled. Just look at Will Smith. Rollo calls him a blue pilled alpha. I puked a little in the back of my throat when I saw that red table show with him and his wife. The dude has resources galore and unlimited access to sex options but if his feminazi wife ever loses control over him she's out in a heartbeat. Or Jeff Bezos. His wife lost control over him and she was out instantly.
There are lots of high value men that don't know their value. These are the exact men that FDS hoes target. I'd even argue the majority of modern women target these types of men.
Sophisticated_Sloth 2y ago
Who’s this Rollo dude?
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Sophisticated_Sloth 2y ago
Appreciate you getting back to me. I’ll look into it! What did you do with the information?
Ok_Management4634 2y ago
Just as some background, Rollo was in a small local rock band when he was young. Didn't go anywhere (as far as I know), but of course it helped him get laid. When he gave up on a music career, he studied phsycology and was amazed that people believed in stuff like "Soulmates".. He didn't get a PhD but counseled men for awhile, basically a bunch of blue pill men that didn't understand human nature. So he had a blog where he wrote about female nature.. Most of the red pill content creators on youtube use his stuff.. He figured out a lot.. Hypergamy, the epiphany phase, etc.. Anyhow, someone on his blog said something like "I wish this was in a book that I could give to my son".. so he collected what he thought were his best articles and published them in the "Rational Male" book. Even though his book focuses on dating strategies, pick up artist kind of stuff.. it's still great to know how the female mind works.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Rollo Tomassi. Author of The Rational Male
Blackbarnabyjones 2y ago
THIS. And they are ALWAYS trying to hamstring a bargain.
I used to be a Man-Ho, but I got old and fat, so, I just went with it.
Now I look like Portly Paul, who jerks it yall.
You would not BELIEVE the VULTURES that circle me and throw their rotted meat at me looking to lure me into a box with a stick holding it up.
(they have no idea that I don't wear a belt because the notches rendered it useless, and that I USED to look and LIVE very different, they NEVER consider that I have any history and they make assuptions based on what they SEE).
They have NO IDEA that this old, fat dude can make a phone call to some chick in the past and she will have NO problem with how fat I am and she'll just tell me to lift my gut up and give her the D. So they TRY to start hooking me on their old meat with love-bombing and then rationing.
Sometimes I take the meat (I'm nasty), and then I wander up to the trap, look past the trap, and wander down the road to freedom.
THE BACKLASH. I. GET!
The way these women react, YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THEY were Lex Luthor Getting thwarted by Superman for the 1000th time and swearing Vengance!
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
lol, I bailed in 2005. I can't even stand being around modern women. Now that they're getting booted out of the marriageable tribe, they're coming over into male spaces and trying to shut them down. Writing article after article complaining. I need some kind of filter that blocks all that.
Blackbarnabyjones 2y ago
I got my heart destroyed in 95, but I finally gave up the ghost and bailed in 2010 when one tried to have me beaten by her family members AND THEN the cops and THEN and arrested for daring to break up with her like a human adult using words and trying to escape living within her presence. I should have moved out while she was at work.
THAT is what turned me into a Man-ho, and after 11 years of Man-Hoing, I have ruined my chance at family, and put too many notches on my belt understanding the dark reality of many women.
I THINK i subconsciously got fat and stay fat as a camouflage (women are very vain towards men's looks) , but my camouflage is slowly killing me. Trust me, this is a lot of discomfort coming from a former martial artist and calisthenic body builder.
But once I drop below 250lbs I start pinging on their radar. I used to give in. But things have finally changed.
I think now I have fully absorbed all the lessons and experiences and I am free to get healthy again, because there is literally no temptation,
In considering a relatonship wtih women, I now only accept results, not flash, crass, ass, or gash.
And not many have any more than that to peddle.
And the ones that do in my range were scooped up 20 years ago.
Ok_Management4634 2y ago
dude, keep working on losing the weight.. do it for yourself (not women). Your quality of life will be better.. It's great that you realized the root cause. Good luck man.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Well they do it to themselves and then wonder why men want nothing to do with them. You can't even have a civilized conversation with modern women. If you've ever watched Kevin Samuels and the women that come on his show it's like 30yr old little girls.
Blackbarnabyjones 2y ago
Oh I have watched Kevin Samuels. And those conversations he has with those stubborn, "wouldn't notice if they were on fire even if they were a smoke detector" women.
Growing up black, that is my entire dating life, childhood, and current family life. Many female sisters and cousins.
Hell, I have LIVED a Kevin Samuels episode all my life, everytime I TRY to talk to one of them about ANYTHING REAL.
And Cause-and-Effect and "you chose this" is the sacred Cow that one must NEVER touch in the black family if you want to be NEAR a woman and/or EVER talk to them again without them hating you or bearing a grudge.
Telling the truth and facing choices must at ALL TIMES be avoided or never spoken of if you want to have any form of peace in any household. And many men are YOUNG and they are CAPTIVES of such enviornments until they turn 18 and Can leave. BUt most are so hamstrung socially and mentally AND finacially from growin up in such enviornments, so THEY CAN'T or Don't want to leave or aren't even ready to leave by then.
Whether sibling/relative/or trying to be/stay married to one, You can never tell the empress she has NO CLOTHES. Not usless you are going to go take her shopping and BUY HER SOME.
Hell I have run my own Grandmother out of my own house by asking Responsibile questions and refusing to let her avoid them and their repercussions when she uses such age old tactics such as:
So I say "ok you didn't know whatever"
But from now on, in my house you must behave or leave.
She left.
Ok_Management4634 2y ago
Kevin had a woman he was asking questions to recently.
She had been divorced twice.
He asked her "Who initiated the first divorce"
She said "I don't remember"
lthat's the kind of tactics they use. How can you forget how your first divorce happened. That's a pretty significant event in your life, and they act as if it's episode 10 from a sitcom 20 years ago that they can't recall lol
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MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Almost true. Rollo was recently quoting a large number of famous feminists stating their goal was to destroy the family. Obviously corporations and lawyers benefit but feminists have been pushing the "divorce your husband for any reason" narrative. I'm agnostic on the whole thing because I married a traditional woman and I profit off the corporations that profit off family destruction. Engineer away ladies, millions of single mothers on welfare depend on you.
Natural_Maximum240 2y ago
I've never understood marriage. It's not an effective use of time. There are far more important things to do in life than get married and risk losing all you've worked for. We men can do everything ourselves. Personally I never wanted to get married. And definitely didn't want to have kids. Despite people trying to pressure me into it. I stood my ground and didn't back down. These modern women can do whatever they want. Just keep me out of it. I don't want nothing to do with them.
The_Meep_Lord 2y ago
It was the lie that was enticing and those men were raised to love women, not themselves.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
How dare you disobey your slave-master overlords? Yeah I noped the f out of modern women back in 2005. Best decision of my life.
Natural_Maximum240 2y ago
I never opted in.
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Natural_Maximum240 2y ago
Those aren't women. They are little girls playing women.
DownVotesWrongsOnly 2y ago
Gross. It's really simple. If she says no, she ain't yours. If you say no, you aren't hers. Fair is fair.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
How's that working out for you?
DownVotesWrongsOnly 2y ago
Good enough. You want to know what anniversary year I'm on or something?
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I never get the whole "cHeAtInG iS aLpHa mAlE" bullshit. That just makes you just as much of a fucking cunt as she would in the scenario of infidelity. If you wanna go for multiple women then yeah do it, but not when you've committed to someone long term. That makes you scum that has no sense of self-control, self-respect, discipline or respect towards their partner and what they have. Which isn't very alpha...
RX-HER0 2y ago
Agreed, man. Cheating is wrong, plain and simple. Just like how women have to make sure they don't have children with a deserter, men are responsible with making sure that they don't marry a monster.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Where did I say it's alpha male? Is this straw man argument all you've got? "It's OK for women to use sex to enslave a man because you're a cunt". Ok, whatever dude.
RX-HER0 2y ago
No one is saying that. What we are saying, is that there is no victory in sinking to as low as these people. It is wrong to control men like that. It's also wrong to cheat!
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
How is it wrong to cheat? That's a moral argument. You can't say it's right or wrong. It's up to the individual. I can see how, if you're a woman, it's in your best interest to say it's wrong to cheat and then use sex to control the man. I would argue that's immoral. If you're a man in a relationship with a woman who is manipulating you and you cheat that would be a rational response to an immoral person.
RX-HER0 2y ago
As an FYI, I'm a dude. I don't benefit personally from saying this.
Hrm. I guess you have a point. It's your freedom to interpret things as you wish when it comes to morality.
However, it's my freedom to criticize your insane logic.
Cheating is immoral because it deceives and takes advantage of someone who is close to you. No matter what, you never cheat, because there are better ways of going about things.
If you think she's withholding intimacy, you show her what's up by leaving her at the curb. The important part, though, is that you never overlap relationships. The rational thing to do in response to a woman trying to manipulate you is to simply stop letting her manipulate you by walking away, not to counter-manipulate. Drop her like a brick and move on.
You don't cheat, because now you're at the same level as the other person by intentionally causing harm. You tell me how cheating is any different morally from controlling dudes via sex?
It doesn't have to be one or the other. You can not tolerate someone's nonsense without being nonsensical yourself. Frankly, it seems like you're using the whole "intimacy manipulation" thing as an excuse to cheat.
You're opinion is valid, but it sure is predictable that the cheating husband is the one preaching how" there is no one truth" and "morality is all up to the person".
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Now where did I say you said it was alpha male? This is a common mentality with some guys on this sub, I didn't specifically attribute or blame you entirely alone for it.
Now where did I say "It's OK for women to use sex to enslave a man because you're a cunt?" All I said was I hate cheating and it's pathetic behaviour. How you looked at that and managed to polevault to the conclusion that you drew is a phenomenal leap.
Maybe you should be in the Olympics representing your country instead of accusing others of being a cunt with strawman arguments.
BrutalDivest 2y ago
Agreed. Dude doesn’t have a wife, he’s got a doormat that I hope divorce rapes him soon. Loser.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
The man who is married to a modern woman is the doormat. I can just imagine how miserable they must be when their wife makes them her bitch, gets all fat right after the wedding, withholds sex, and consumes everything he's worked for. A woman like that deserves to die alone.
RX-HER0 2y ago
Cheating is still wrong, though.
DownVotesWrongsOnly 2y ago
You get an upvote because this is true.
But two wrongs and all that...
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Poor woman. Imagine being cheated on and then having to promise to do better? The fucking audacity of some people. 100% agreed.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Imagine being such a shitty person that you're heartbroken when cheated on because your only reason for being with someone is to use sex to control them.
RX-HER0 2y ago
Imagine being the crack head that thinks that women are only heartbroken when men cheat because they can't control them. Yeah, just like men, women are capable of horrid acts, but they're human too!
Blackbarnabyjones 2y ago
Here. I got an upvote for you bro.
Screw the haters,
That Comment was fire.
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What the fuck are you even on about? You're the one proudly proclaiming about cheating on your wife and assuring us that she's OK with it as if that makes you a better man for it. Imagine being that mess.
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MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Where did you copy that from?
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moorekom Mod 2y ago
Meghan Markle?
OwenWentFullMGTOW 2y ago
She embodies every reason why royal marriages used to be arranged.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Prince Harry's owner.
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
Ha!
anon_likes_tendies 2y ago
she has the ideal beta slave and somehow still thinks she's oppressed.
jmoincali 2y ago
How does she think she is oppressed?
anon_likes_tendies 2y ago
Just look into the Piers Morgan incident
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NameGiver0 2y ago
lol straight to the personal attacks.
This is how you know you’re right and she’s mad about it.
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Boss4life12 2y ago
Why are you here? You clearly hate us. Not to mention you complained about us coming to other subs and making a lot of noise YET here you are doing the same thing??
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Boss4life12 2y ago
What? You post history clearly tells us you hate MGTOW. So again I ask why are you here??
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Boss4life12 2y ago
You still haven’t answered my question? Most of us are here because we are interested in this topic. You don’t seem to interested or even open to the communication. I don’t fault you for it. Again why are you here?
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Boss4life12 2y ago
There really is no need to comment as most men here wont listen to a female especially considering how you are approaching ppl in this sub. You can comment all you want, it’s not going to change anything. It’s a waste of time.
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You may not want him but the other may
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