Introduction
There are 4 things you never mention on a date unless you want to kill it off right then and there.
Religion
Abortion
Politics
Ex's
Body
I'll keep this short and sweet. This is a field report, mini lesson, and even a reminder to the seasoned red pill vets.
Long story short I meet a girl at a party who I went to high school with (in college now). I'm there with another girl (pre-selection) and I still get like 10 girls snaps or numbers while I'm there. The girl in this story, we'll call Stacy, was one of them.
I hit her up through snap a few day's later with some light banter at first. A few day's later a date is set. Every day I get multiple snaps from her of those random attention seeking photos they do (which I ignore). She even trys to play at one point like she may not go so I ghost her. To which she then instantly messages me saying she was just kidding and will be there.
I knew the deal was sealed from the start. I tease her the whole night saying shit no guy has ever said to her and I can tell it by the look on her face. She does the typical thing where she acts offended but is eating it up. BTW this girl paid for our date because of a joke bet we made about her date earlier in the week. I suggested one night and she said she had a date. I bet her she'd message me 30 minutes into the date because of how bored she was of him. Sure enough...
We end up walking outside later and up to this point I had done a little kino but was pretty late in the date for me to have not already made out with this girl. I threw a hail marry and just lifted her above my head and told her she was being kidnapped (playfully of course). She loved it so much the second I set her down she had her tongue down my throat.
I tell her I'm going to get food and she instantly asks to come. Go get food then we are back at my place. So why was all that precursor that I just told you necessary before I tell you what I'm about to tell you? This deal was fucking sealed from the start and this is how I fucked it up.
We get inside, I eat, then she starts asking questions. She starts asking random shit about my sex life and other girls. I deflect all of it as shit tests and tell her she's not going to know about it and I don't want to know about hers. Then she brings up religion. I myself love to study religions as a philosophy but am not religious myself. I love to talk about this shit and figured she was a smart enough girl I wouldn't mind some philosophical talk (this gentleman is where i fucked up).
This girl is a hardcore fucking biblethumper. I sexy slutty one but a biblethumper at that. We get into the topic of religion and she gets pissed because I told her that if she didn't believe Allah was real than her god wasn't real (this made me laugh). Realized the direction this was going so I tried to stop it but the damage was done.
I still get her panties off, finger her, have her playing with my dick, and then I get her to cum very quickly fingering her (spiderman method). As soon as she cums and comes off her horneyness for 2 seconds she says she has to go. On the way home tells me she thought about how I wasn't religious and it bothered her. Basically told me she was ready to fuck me until then.
Take her to her car where she tries to get into the convo again and I shut it down. Walk her to her car and try to go for the goodbye kiss and she was hesitant, then pecked me and said she wasn't in the mood to make out.
From a church girl turned demon slut to a peck is how badly I fucked that up.
Lessons Learned
NEVER, talk about religion, abortion, politics, or ex's on a date. Ever. I only mentioned the one because it related to this story but I'm sure you guys have story's for the others. I know I fucked up but I'm cool with that. It's a good reminder to me and I hope some of you remember this too. I'm more worried about my blue balls than when I'm getting laid again. That's why I keep other girls around ;)
BluepillProfessor 6y ago
Rape, Me Too, Femcunts, Feminism, Religion, Trump/Hitlary, Politics. Any other topic is allowed so long as you favor the woman's side....
"We sure have been getting cold weather lately"
ZestyyyClamMeat 6y ago
Like over the shoulder, or full over head press??
Also, wtf is up with all these religious sluts I've been reading about lately lol
DadOnDabs 6y ago
I bicep curled her up to my chest then threw her over my shoulder
prodigy2throw 6y ago
This is not true but maybe good advice for newbies. If you have principles and beliefs and can back them up or approach the subject in a charming way you can say whatever you want to whomever. Takes practice though
metallicdrama 6y ago
I’ve talked about all those things with zero Fucks given and zero bad consequences. What matters is why and how you talk about those things. Know your audience. I’ve banged a chick after saying I’m prochoice but only because I never return phone calls to numbers I’ve deleted.
Jonasena 6y ago
Why the fuck would anyone ever talk about abortions?
Your_Coke_Dealer 6y ago
I've ended up in some weird-ass political conversations with chicks I'd just hooked up with back when I was quite BP. Not abortion, but equally out of place. Of course, if topic of abortion in particular comes up, that's a good sign to implement your exit strategy.
Juan-San 6y ago
A girl once brought that up. Flag so red I just said I had to leave.
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monsieurhire2 6y ago
No, you didn't "fuck up." She DQ'd herself and no longer deserves your dick. I mean, would you really want to invest more time in this woman? Would you even really have wanted to fuck her? She could have unilaterally decided to get herself knocked up, even if you opted for protection. Bullet dodged, my friend. And yeah sure, there are topics that are sensitive and can lead to sex-killing conflict, but I don't think you said anything that F'd up. Also, cool chicks won't care if you say something edgy.
dr_warlock 6y ago
I get what the the reframing of "I'm the prize" mentality is supposed to do, but after the novice level, this is just try hard. He did screw it up by engaging in an intellectual topic with a woman.
monsieurhire2 6y ago
Nyet.
Plenty of women are turned on by intellectual topics because they view it as a signal that the guy could be provider material, or at least has a brain that he can use to dominate weaker men. What you don't want to do is get into protracted, contentious arguments with women, or anyone for that matter, because they generate ill will. Unfortunately though, some women are argumentative and will argue with you over every stinking thing, like 2 + 2 = 4? (Does it? How can you be sure? Semantics! 2/3 + 2/13 does NOT equal 4!) This guy made some mild remarks and she went ape-shit. Most likely it was DOA. Maybe he could have banged, but it sounded like she was looking for an excuse. If a woman wants to fuck, she hand-waves all red flags; if a woman doesn't want to fuck you, she seizes on the smallest crumb to DQ you. "He was just TOO perfect!" Anyway, it's a numbers game; the best approach is abundance mentality and to constantly be adding new women to your social circle.
CanuckinFL 6y ago
If what I sense about them is correct, that means OP became assessed as a potential provider (marriage material)-
but in showing his critical faculties at work about religion, made her feel silly and required her to re-frame him midstream.
I've done this too, and it's always ankle deep in the conversation where I'm in horror it's gone to deep topics. Gotta keep it fun above all else, man.
When all else fails, tickle her. But ya, don't talk.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
Ah, what every man experiences at one point in their lives with another woman. Man does it sting
gELSK 6y ago
// , Briffault's law in the bedroom.
This gave me a chuckle.
slimydogs 6y ago
Do it to a couple of awful women it stops stinging and you realise it's just part of the game.
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MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
Real reason: she got hers.
Lesson learned: women lie, especially about the reasons they do things.
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MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
My point is that the religion thing isn't the whole story
And yes - get yours first with girls you don't know.
gELSK 6y ago
// , That's the point, Mr. Obvious
Also, her pretending to come is her passing what Cialdini would call a "compliance test"
ThrowFader 6y ago
Don't believe the Disney lie that you have to make sure she gets off. That is beta servitude.
Ravish her, and if you nut first, weLloyd round two is always an option.
If not too bad, you already caught your nut.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
God I don't know what's real anymore. I'm just a armchair theorist, no real life experience. But I've read here you need to get her off otherwise she's going to be so disappointed/annoyed that she might think you raped her.
BluepillProfessor 6y ago
She Cums First is total and complete bullshit bluepill nonsense.
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SolarWizard 6y ago
You shouldn't put that first though. Ensure that you ravish her mentally and physically, be dominant, don't be boring, and try last a reasonable amount of time.
Being a gentleman and trying to get her off first will not turn her on and it puts too much pressure on her.
Give her a good fuck and do your bit and then whether she came or not is out of your hands. Some girls have mental roadblocks that they need to pass to reach orgasm and the reality is you wont necessarily pass all of those the first time you have sex.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
That makes sense. But I can't imagine it'll always be a passionate affair, I don't really know tbh. The concern isn't to get her off but it's a concern. Now the concern is "I better be passionate enough to not give her a reason to want 'payback'. I don't know, whatever.
ThrowFader 6y ago
You are correct, there is always a risk that she will cry rape.
but..
Make her want to fuck you so bad, and she won't care if u have ED lol
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Me and my gf are neo nazis, we met through talking politics lol
gELSK 6y ago
// , Now you can level up to geo-nazis.
006rbc 6y ago
I would say abortions and ex's are no go topics. The others religion and politics, stand your ground with your beliefs, have a backbone.
FranckShmibery 6y ago
I feel like it’s best to say you’re Christian but don’t go to to church much. That way, the biblethumper girls don’t get turned off, and I haven’t met a girl that wouldn’t have sex with me because I’m a Christian.
Your_Coke_Dealer 6y ago
You're right and at the same time, this dips into a territory beyond the un-nuanced realm of "hold frame". Yes, maintain frame on your personal beliefs, but even the most expert conversationalists are best avoiding the topics. Basically you're more likely to harm yourself than help; disagreeing with someone may well cockblock you, but agreeing on something is a lot less likely to do you any good.
006rbc 6y ago
I get what you are saying, but religion and politics won't ever go away, so why not weed out those that are not compatible with your views from the get go?
Your_Coke_Dealer 6y ago
Because the only time a woman's religion comes up when you're fucking her is when she shouts out to God. Otherwise I couldn't be arsed about her beliefs
justshootinblanks 6y ago
Silly woman did not understand that Islam claims the same abrahamic God as Judaism and Christianity. She just was not at your intellectual level Bro, and took offense. Next
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Godskook 6y ago
If you don't believe Unicorns are real, than Horses aren't real either.
Your point sucks, on its face, even under the presumption that Atheists are right. A disproof of Allah may or may not be equally applicable towards disproving Jehovah, but there's nothing fundamental about "disproof of God A" that extends to "disproof of all Gods", in exactly the same way that you can't disprove horses by talking about Unicorns. Sets and subsets, man.
And you can't bring your counter-shit-testing disagreeableness into discussions about Religion as if you didn't just shift to a vulnerable topic, in exactly the same way that you can't slap a girl in the face as hard as you did her ass and it be ok. Sensitive spots, sensitive methods.
One method, you're correct, is to not talk about religion when you're looking to smash. Probably better for hook-ups, but I guarantee, you'll have more edifying conversations, both with girls and in general, if you learn to modulate your disagreeableness better.
DadOnDabs 6y ago
That's not the point I was making. Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all follow the same god. They are all Abrahamic religions
WelfareWarriorZ 6y ago
They don't follow the same god. They trace roots back to people shared in their texts. You can draw the usual similarities like, love your neighbor and don't murder, but when you analyze the Torah, new testament and kuran there are some big differences.
But yes not the point of your post I did enjoy it. Thanks OP, keep them hoes in line.
gELSK 6y ago
// , Even the most rational, hard-nosed woman I ever knew would ALWAYS have her actions and speech modified more by the emotional context of a discussion than men would.
It's instinct, and, per TRP, we HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO INSTINCT
Godskook 6y ago
Muslims believe Allah is the same god as the other Abrahamic religions. Jews and Christians do not believe that. And from a purely literary standpoint, the God represented in the Bible is NOT the same God represented in the Koran. Muslims get around this by saying the bible was corrupted and that we have no legitimate copies, but you can't get around the fact that the Modern Koran's "God" is not the same as the Modern Bible's "God".
Similarly, but to a lesser extent(Because Christianity more similar to Judaism), if a Jew said "I don't believe in the Christian God, I believe in the Jewish God", I'd understand that he wasn't applying the statement to the Jewish-sourced portions of the Christian God, just the additions.
Its kinda like someone saying the Jack Nicholson Joker was trash, and you replying that must mean they think all Jokers are trash. There's something distinct about the Nicholson Joker, and there's something distinct Allah, that makes them critiqueable without extending it to the larger Joker or Abrahamic God.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_the_Christian_Bible
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Barvazon 6y ago
You're one stupid son of a bitch. How about NOT fingerblast a girl or go down on her before she let your dick in? How old are you, 15?
She got off, no reason for her to escalate things.
LISTEN TO HER ACTIONS, NOT HER WORDS
dontbethatguynow 6y ago
This is generally a good rule. But, if you have common views in these (religion or politics) that can help increase some attraction and conversation. If you don't have common views avoid at all cost.
DadOnDabs 6y ago
That is how you build rapport with friends. Not give her the tingles
tryinreddit 6y ago
I go the other way on this. Screening a girl for her politics is smart. I do this with people generally. I just don't have time to invest on personal relationships with people who hold views that I can't respect. You don't have to be obnoxious about politics but yeah...if she's a Trump voter she can gtfo.
gELSK 6y ago
// , idk, some of those trump supporters are pretty hot
#grabem
corsega 6y ago
Disagreed. Women often love to talk about their exes and it's a good way to position yourself as "not that guy" if she had a bad experience.
Like if her ex was a beta you just subcommunicate that you're not like that, if her ex was an alpha 1.0 that beat her you subcommunicate that you don't lay a hand on women, etc.
gELSK 6y ago
Textbook Beta game, qualifying yourself
I fell into this trap, and suffered greatly because of it, even to the point of compromising my career.
Also, note that her ex is someone she willingly chose to attach herself to, and, likely get fucked by.
Pay attention to the fact that, after all that stuff she said about him, what were her actions toward him? Lots of sex? Hmmmm... this terrible person just seemed to get her super horny, in
spite(because?) of her many causes for complaint against himIf there's one thing about TRP that's worth taking away even for the SJWs in the crowd, it's that you shouldn't be an emotional tampon or help with post-factum rationalizations.
DadOnDabs 6y ago
If you let her vent about exes she'll see you as an emotional tampon
006rbc 6y ago
This. Years ago I made this mistake. She just wanted someone to vent with. Needless to say it was a quick trip to friend zone.
30percentslave2USgov 6y ago
That's not very good advice in my experience. I used to make this mistake often in the past. "Oh, you're ex's all slapped you around and cheated on you? wtf is wrong with some men I would never hit a woman", or whatever. Just an example. When in reality, the reason her ex's did these things is because it's the type of guy they are attracted to! By painting yourself as different she will think "what Nice Guy" while her subconscious disqualifies you from being a sexual partner. Don't do it. Just don't comment or sympathize one way or another. Just continue doing your thing and be the man. This kind of talk will never increase attraction. It may not always decrease it. But it often will, and will never be of benefit imo.
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BewareTheOldMan 6y ago
Oh, you're ex's all slapped you around and cheated on you? WTF is wrong with some men I would never hit a woman", or whatever.
Yep - that's the (childhood to young adult) Disney/Blue Pill Conditioning that says all you have to do is NOT be the lying, cheating, womanizing, unemployed, drug-dealing, and woman-beating degenerate-douchebag.
Truth is - that's the type of male this class of women REALLY want because he's sexually exciting, unpredictable, and "challenging." If she can "change him" into a Good Man it’s because she's such a Special Snowflake that he left his Bad Boy ways to be with her and do right by her as a man.
These type of women don’t want the Nice Guy. A Good Man/Beta-Provider Male is boring, predictable, and does everything the exact opposite of the Bad Boy…and that’s just lame.
The Bad Boy is fun…right up until the point he’s done treating her like a piece of dog-meat and ditches her for his next victim.
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