This post is not about "how to deal with amogs". This post is about "how to deal with yourself in the presence of AMOGs".
To be precise, this is not about average dudes in the set, ripped average dudes, average dues with good vibes, average dudes with lots of visible status and so on (b/c you should not be in competition with average men anyway). This is how to deal with yourself in an seemingly overwhelming presence of a TOP ALPHA and there is no discussion, even from you (let alone from women) that he is outclassing every male in the group or in the club.
Here's a good example: https://www.instagram.com/p/BPyc9Fjl6cU/ This hottie is 5'11" tall, he is "I'm pressing Victoris's Secret model" tall. This is an extreme example, but illustrates what I mean by "AMOG" well.
This technique sounds a bit paradoxical, but it does work more often than it doesn't. It all comes down to basic human psychology and my general observation that men without Game ("i talk to a lot of girls" is not Game, you just talk to a lot of girls) will hang themselves on their own rope sooner rather than later.
If you and an AMOG are both racing cars, one of you will always be on the first place.
For non-PUAs competition is mostly won outside the field, before you enter it.
While both competing and competition is good, there are limits to what you can do to prove you are "better" as non-PUA, especially directly in the field. If he's bigger than you, are you going to run to the gym on the spot? What about if he's taller? What about if he's way more handsome and you already maximized your looks? Should you just accept your perceived inferiority and move on? This is where Game comes in, but since a lot of people here think PUA is bullshit comparable to flat earth theories, here's a non-PUA "thing" you can use.
When you frame an AMOG as competition or an opponent, your brain through the way it is naturally wired, will direct you to win the competition. This in turn will make you do stuff that is reactive towards him (look at me I'm better). He tells a story, you want to tell a better one ("cool, but listen to this"). He holds attention of the group, you want to win it back ("hey let's go here! hey! HEY!"). You cannot win that kind of competition if you are not naturally, organically better at the things he does. IOW if he is a naturally "more alpha" you can't win through competing in the same discipline.
Second reason is a followup of first - if you frame him as an opponent, you automatically assume one of you is better. That's the nature of competition, there is only one first place. This in turn, if he is (or even appears to be, in your own mind) "better alpha" than you are, puts you into a defensive/reactive stance - you assume he is better at "stuff" (idealization) and you fall into his frame by your own decision (you will want to show you're good too AFTER he demonstrates he's good at something). You will react to him if you don't take control over this process, and you will react in a way that will further diminish your position (in your mind first, in the group afterwards). You will supplicate, perhaps even submit to him, then get frustrated b/c you can't do anything (despite putting the work in), so you'll resort to subtle envy at best (and write "looks matter the most" posts), getting visibly upset at worst. That is VERY obvious to women. You will cede the territory (perhaps even physically), he might not take it from you, but the women will take notice and move towards him anyway.
Third thing - setting him as opponent will make you belittle him ("this guy doesn't have game", "this guy doesn't follow RP basics, he's gonna get fucked over") in your thoughts (he gets laughs from a joke, you think it's a lameass 90s joke, you might even be right about it) and in turn in your speech ("it's a good one, but old one" - and nobody cares you said it).
Your behaviour and speech will show that you acknowledge (consciously or not) his higher position, it will escalate into downward spiral for you if you try to forcibly establish your position again ("that was a good joke, but let's go to another place, no? come on why not?"). You just blew yourself out of the set. You did that, not the AMOG.
How to get over the AMOG:
First - do not behave like you're "above" him from the start of the interaction, as a way to establish position early. If the perception of surrounding people is not that you (or they) are "above" him or if his position is ambiguous at the start, don't go for lame challenges ("just be cool", "what was your name again?", "i dont think you can handle these girls") as you won't recover if he holds frame. And to do that, he only has to ignore you. More often than not, you will simply be seen as insecure for even trying to force-establish a position before it is established "naturally".
Second thing "not to do" - is to treat him as an opponent or competition. Treat him as an "EQUAL human being, not as alpha MAN" (the wording is deliberate, not a male, but a human being) and adopt a frame of "we are playing in the same team - the lets-pick-these-girls-up" team" . If you remove the element of comparison - you remove the need to be better from your brain and thus you remove the stupid "one upping" knee-jerks that will make you do stupid things. If you adopt the "we're in the same team" mentality - it will further strengthen the idea of "him not being better" (both for you and for the group), it will make you be more "socially relaxed" (no race > no competition > no performance pressure > no stupid behaviours).
Lastly, if you start throwing challenges and attempt to lower his position, he (and the group too) will respond and treat you as an opponent (or at least as lower value man). By not treating him as an opponent, you give him a chance not to treat you from above but as a peer, which "top of the top" alphas often do (nothing to prove to anyone).
Now a few REALLY cool things will start to happen.
First of all you will notice he's a human like you (b/c you treat him as one, not as a superior man). You will notice he has chinks in his "natural" armour, he has flaws both physical and mental, he does makes mistakes, he also - more often than not - has zero applicable Game skills (just his looks, status or initial vibe).
Secondly, he might (not always, but not that rarely either) not be used to not having competition from a dude he just met. If he's one of that kind of guys, he might revert to his default bahaviour "we're in competition and I'm better". If you didn't fuckup with breaking your frame (equal, polite, same team) before AND if you don't break the frame under his usual spiel - he will start to react to you. You will be the one with solid frame, he will be the one who is trying to challenge it. If he does this more than 2-3 times, he will cement his position below you.
Thirdly - once you're not in competition and he's not an "immortal god of this set", once you established your position in the group as equal peers, you can start doing things to make you go up on the ladder. This is where you can start making your moves. Set a new frame ("party time!!!!!"), lead ("let's dance!!"), merge another group ("you have to meet my friends!"), divide the physical space ("hey can you make space for them, thanks"), throw him a bone instead of his target, then bait him to blow himself out by being needy or not being able to handle the social pressure you put on him. You're not competing - you just shape the environment. Innocently, of course :D
A quick warning:
This is not an techinque to be used as an excuse not to put the work in in being the best you can be. There is a difference between "feeling inferior despite putting the work in" and "BEING inferior b/c you didn't do, literally, a squat". This is not a shortcut through the mountains, this is me telling you to put on different shoes.
bcdude2 6y ago
Why the need for the end? It's np0ot good enough to just treat him as an equal and leave it at that?
JoRocKStaR 6y ago
Best way to amog an amog is to look directly in between his eyes.
Luckyluke23 6y ago
great post man. I learnt a lot from this and how I interact with dudes in general.
it really did open my eyes to be their being another way. i also like the "team" mentality it's defo more fun that way.
ElementArrow 6y ago
cough cough 48 laws of power
Throwawaysteve123456 6y ago
I agree with this post. One thing to add, is that you can still bust his balls, especially if he's busting yours, but just to do it in a playful way rather than a direct threat; it gives him an opportunity to laugh at himself, which he will if he's alpha. I'm lucky with being gifted with rapid fire responses to attacks, so I just use the tit for tat rule, while showing it doesn't bother me. Another good trick is to say something to slightly attack his status, but then also follow up with a compliment that is very clear to everyone around him. Eg the dude is a fucking roid machine with 60lbs of muscle on you; random playful insult, then a joking comment about how you don't want to get beaten up, etc. You should never straight up dis the dude, but playfully making fun of another guy in the presence of others has the potential to boost both of your statuses if done right.
Zech4riah 6y ago
Good post
One point to add: When you are alpha enough and gotten rid of uncomfortable feeling, you will start enjoying the company of other alphas. As I have said before, it sort of enforces the alpha vibe/feeling/behaviour when you are around other alphas instead of weak betas who keep challenging or praising you for whatever reason/trait you might have.
M1ster_X 6y ago
Shit, I'd be asking dude in the video how many days does he do chest, and what I could be adding to my program to get those results.
Find value in others, and you create value for yourself in them.
Kolbykilla 6y ago
This is what separates "alphas" from wannabe alphas. Wannabe's see another alpha as a threat, real alpha's see it as an opportunity or "gate way" into higher social status/more pussy. If you can't handle yourself around other status males then you really aren't an alpha. You're the equivalent to a female with only male friends.
blackedoutfast 6y ago
yeah real alpha dudes are almost always chill, friendly, positive, etc. but it is very common for them to throw shit-tests at new guys for the same reason hot women throw shit-tests: they're trying to see if this guy is another real alpha or just some poseur.
a lot of low-confidence, low-SMV, low-status guys who come into the interaction expecting competition completely fail the shit-tests. they take it personally, get all butthurt and go on the defensive. this combination of weakness and adversarialness makes the guy look even lower status, and it tends to trigger more shit-tests. bad downward spiral.
when two real alphas meet what usually happens is they'll be kinda assholish to each other for a bit, then they both recognize that the other dude is able to hold his ground and stay cool. then they suddenly start acting like BFFs
hawkeaglejesus 6y ago
My favorite example of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYnFok-7cP4
Zech4riah 6y ago
I think this is really true too.
In my experience the most common way how these low-confidence/SMV guys react is that they start ignoring me right after they got butthurt. It's suprising how little it requires sometimes to get them hurt - so little that sometimes I'm actually suprised when they start ignoring me like "I didn't even say anything, wtf" :D
185poundsofhatredWIP 6y ago
At his weight, OHP one plate for ten is intermediate at best.
nebder 6y ago
I squat and bench my kids. (They eat that shit up) Haven't tried to OHP them yet. Humans are squirmy and hard to grip.
It's an impressive feat.
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I had never thought of pressing a plate like this.
menial_optimist 6y ago
An excellent opportunity to literally grab her by the pussy.
HumanSockPuppet 6y ago
Maybe, but it's generally better not to let plates meet.
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Unless they are in the same room taking turns slobbering on your cock
SlothOnRoids 6y ago
I agree this dude isn't that strong..the girl probably weighs 90 pounds at most.
CarnivOre93 6y ago
I've overhead pressed a 100lb woman like this, it's cake and I'm only intermediately strong.
Leonidas_79 6y ago
Any man that's been in the gym for 2-3 months should be able to press that girl. At 40lbs shoulder press 10 reps you should be able to do it.
CarnivOre93 6y ago
True, would you be able to hold frame while doing this? Or reframe if you lost it?
trpperr 6y ago
I really liked this. The "equal, polite, same team" is a nice frame to have in general.
agent_of_chaos90 6y ago
Have come to the same realization myself, would have written a post on it eventually.
Story time:
So I have a hyper successful uncle. Premier alpha, professional scuba diver, just sold a startup, spits game like cobras spit venom, and it is downright impossible to make him do something he doesn't want to do.
On the surface, I could not be myself around him, because it was intimidating, he's in my field of work and he's a legend. As long as my frame was pseudo adversarial (let's face it, the only thing I have on him is health/physique).
When I accepted ok, he may be all these things, but he's still a human and has his own flaws, and took away the 'Alpha' title I gave him, I started seeing him more as a human being and I'm able to give him shit and bond with him like any other cool person I met.
What I'm coming to see, is labeling => pedestalizing. Calling someone an alpha male, makes him an idealized version in your mind and slowly but surely the true person fades away and is replaced by the idealized alpha you've built him up to be.
Dan Bilzerian has his flaws. You may not know them, but they exist. The fact that he's better than you in things you care about just means you can learn from him, but it also means there are things he chose not to do because time is finite.
Stop labeling people as alphas/betas and remember: it's behavior. Like I've heard successful parents say: He's not a bad boy, he's a good boy who engages in bad behavior from time to time. Don't let labels affect you - the truth is what it is regardless of what you want it to be or wish it were.
Scandinavianredpill 6y ago
This is obviously written by a young man. I do agree that one-upping comes across as needy. But try to set yourself into that guy's mind, he is out having fun with people and is fine with you joining them. He is just relaxing telling stories, charming ladies, talking to guys. Then after you are comfortable the first thing you try to do is challenge his status and then throw him a "bone". Newsflash some times you lose, if a guy is truly great looking, has more status, confident and is good at talking to people you are not going to win. He will laugh you off and the girls will still be attracted to him, you will be able to get leftovers. Good alpahs give leftovers, I do that with girls that I know another guy would have sex with I will basically sell him to her. He is happy, I got loyalty. everyone is happy.
Try to look at this situation from another perspective. If you were out at a bar with Brad Pitt, do you think you could sya anything to sway a girl to fuck with you instead of Brad? No you cannot. The situation you describe is much like that but less extreme. Can you snag girls from a better looking guy that has less social proof? sure. Can you snag a girl from a guy that is making 10 times the money you make, but you are better looking - of course. But you cannot bullshit your way into fiddling girls from a guy that is clearly of much higher value than you.
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If you are going to a club or bar and comparing yourself to every man and putting yourself down because a guy is taller than you, or buffer than you, then you are doing it wrong and will lead to nothing but unfulfillment in your life as there will always be someone you view as better no matter how high you climb
Focus on improving yourself from your previous self and use others as inspiration, not a pecking order bullshit. Especially not if the end goal is women
PreOrgasmGroanLness 6y ago
The OP posted tips on how to handle when your mind still does the comparison
JamesSkepp 6y ago
Nightclub is about fun, not comparing yourself, you are right. That however quickly changes into "pecking order bullshit" once you encounter a dude that has full intention of stealing your girls and is not shy about it at all (or vice versa).
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JamesSkepp 6y ago
Of course, the term "my girls" didn't imply any entitlement on my part at all, just a description of the situation.
No complaining on my part.
hopefullyRP 6y ago
Hey, I'm interested how you would deal with this. Like what if a guy went up to your group and said "Is this guy boring you" to them. Obviously a low status thing to do, but what's the proper reaction? Other similar scenarios you can think of, from your experience, and how you dealt with them or should have dealt with them?
I can think of a reply... "Nah they're boring me. They're all yours bro". But this is for one scenario. What if they said something else, but similar, a way to put you down. What are the best nonverbal reactions, and what if they persist and keep being dicks?
JamesSkepp 6y ago
ask the girls yourself - "well, am I boring you?", preferably while having some kino going on, with smile and slight sexual undertone to the question. If you did half of the things you should do, the answer will be "no" and now you can tool him ("got your answer now GTFO" said with smile, this is almost a demand, than you ignore him).
if the girls don't answer him with "no he's not boring us" - you bring him into the set ("i like you already, come join us" - you lead) and work from there (be louder, hold more attention, don't let him talk by leading the conversation and cutting him of, ignore him more and more, physically lead the girls a few steps left or right to exclude him or make him stand behind a girl even slightly)
Maybe, depending on delivery and what you do afterwards. At face value, you just backed down and let him take your place.
Will be covered in future AMOG post.
TheBloodEagleX 6y ago
I like this approach, the agree and amplify. You could be like "man, look at the balls on you. You're alright." But after that I don't know where to go from there.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
This is not A&A - this is necessity. In the scenario above you tried to AMOG him (by using girls, and they are attracted to him b/c didn't took your side immediately). If you get upset about it ("well look at you mr popular") you lost your position to him, if you "amplify" ("man, look at the balls on you. You're alright.") - you look like you're supplicating to him. You can't be an asshole to him b/c it will be seen as insecurity, you can't be nice b/c this will be seen as ceding your status to him.
So you invite him to your group with "positive but not upbeat" flat tone, like he passed some test (this should be slight, almost imperceptible in delivery). He got accepted into the group, but that doesn't mean he's going to "win" automatically, he still has to demonstrate alpha traits, pass shit tests, lead and so on. So, you do everything you can to be better at this while not trying forcibly to blow him out:
TheBloodEagleX 6y ago
Damn, excellent points. I understand what you mean now. It's a thin line like you mention, which I'm still trying to figure out. I didn't really think about the implication of what my "enthusiastic approval" really would mean in the dynamic. Seems like a too obvious gut reaction now with your explanation. I'm trying to find the balance because to be honest I have a more relaxed, quiet personality but can hold the attention of a crowd at times. I've had something similar happen to me with my group but luckily the person wasn't abrasive and we both got a girl. Divide and conquer worked in that instance.
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Sadly, you are right. Though I will say most of that behavior (guys cat calling your girl) comes from bottom tier men in my experience, but you occasionally have to deal with dick weeds like that. Definitely should be taught as breaking man code though
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CarnivOre93 6y ago
I went to the gym the other day with my chick and an old man made a comment about her shoes and tried to open a conversation with her in front of me. I was unphased by it and found it to be amusing. Needless to say nothing came from it but a chuckle.
LockedOnTheRedPill 6y ago
"Yeah man, they look much better on my bedroom floor." Followed with a wink to your girl. Easy shifting of frame In a light hearted manner.
CarnivOre93 6y ago
Lmao!
*slap my wife's ass and walk off
I'm looking to become a master of holding frame and reframing. Where can I find this knowledge?
SocietalEngineering 6y ago
Check out the book "ideal Attainment" on amazon or smashwords. It's about how to build mindset.
StraightWhiteMaleLOL 6y ago
It comes naturally as a result of self-improvement, self-confidence, and abundance mentality.
BestSC86 6y ago
How old was this "old man" and why would you feel threatened that he was trying to steal your girl?
I would imagine that most older experienced men would look at you like an idiot for making such a juvenile middle school comment about your GF in front of them.
That is the silly shit that sounds badass when typed on a computer screen but is hard to actually pull off without coming across as a try-hard asper in real life. I can't get over seeing a 35yo old stock analyst asking a girl about some new Nikes she is wearing and some random dude next to her says "Yeah man, they look much better on my bedroom floor, hawhhee". Yeah, that is going to put this experienced man with more than a decade of women\game in his place.....NOT.
LockedOnTheRedPill 6y ago
You're asking the wrong guy lmao. That comment is just textbook agree and amplify. And anything you say can come across as a try-hard asper. It's all about framing the situation, body language, confidence, the delivery, etc. If you frame and deliver it like a sperg, you'll come off as a sperg. If you frame and deliver it like you're the second coming of Pook, you'll come off as the second coming of Pook. Side note, you're also assuming a lot about the guy approaching. 95% of the time, if you reframe or agree and amplify, the dude will tuck and run. Also, it's the gym. If you're approaching girls in the gym then you'll (90% of the time) come off as creepy from the beginning, and you're also not focusing on your workout.
BestSC86 6y ago
That is why I asked how old the dude was because Op seemed pretty young to come up with that juvenile "put down" obviously read on one of the PUA sites.
Just saying.. no amount of "frame" is going to make up for that tired old line and impress an experienced 35yo man with a decade or more of chicks in his background. This isn't freaking junior high school, you think that men haven't heard some silly shit like that a million times during college and social events after.
I would put this "put down" in the vault with the old "what is your sign" pickup line from "The 70s Show".
Hell I am not even that old but even I would have looked at that comment with a smirk and a "Good lord" and a laugh.
LockedOnTheRedPill 6y ago
Me and OP are two separate people, dude. I have no idea how old the man was. You replied to my comment criticizing what is a classic example of agree and amplify. I've used the essence of that line before and while it can come off as a little bit of mate guarding, I've had success with it. Stop the keyboard Alpha shit.
BestSC86 6y ago
Please...nothing is more keyboard alpha than posting that shit line as if it would put a grown man in his place .....
I asked the Op how old the man was.....you defended the line and I replied.
It is a stupid thing to say to a grown ass man because that is the same tired old shit advice in every PUA manual around.
"What is your sign" is a classic as well but you don't hear that shit being tossed around any longer in bars, clubs and coffee houses because it is a just as tired as the "It would look nice on my bedroom floor" silliness.
Mescuzzi 6y ago
Do you have any readings for this type of stuff? I find this topic really really fascinating
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RedPill_Swinger 6y ago
If you can't beat them join them
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JamesSkepp 6y ago
Illustrative example not representative example.
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Prophets_Prey 6y ago
I needed this. One thing I always keep in mind when around AMOG behaviour is that they're playing that competitive game on their own. I'm not there to waste my energy trying to one-up some random. I've got better things to worry about.
Psychocist 6y ago
TL; DR - compassion.
..and? Why do I care what women think? In fact, why do I care what anyone thinks, AMOG or not? Will I be cast from the group and forced to fend for myself? Nope. Those dangers are long gone and those fears are based on a reality that doesn't exist any more. Remember, we are living in abundance and we are outcome independent. Too much pussy and too many opportunities for any of us to even fret in the slightest over some rando AMOG.
I'll go find others, or I'll just relax in my own company and continue to enjoy myself. Don't worry, be happy.
Anyway, great post!
CarnivOre93 6y ago
Excellent response brother. This statement honestly destroys the whole point of the post and deters back to the dgaf attitude that some people cannot grasp here.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
Whether you care or not, the order will be established and he will be the leader, which means he will be desired, not you - which means spending more time in that set is simply a waste of your time.
If it's not your group - you will be ignored for the rest of the time you spend there.
Yes, but that doesn't mean you have to bow your head to every dude that comes into your territory only b/c you always have more territory to enjoy with, so to speak.
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Your ability to walk away from the interaction because you genuinely don't give a shit about the outcome is much more powerful than any tricks or power moves you could make. IMO, its much more important to hold your own psychological autonomy in that situation than it is to try to control the situation itself. Who cares whether a girl likes him or your friends are drawn to him. By trying to win at all you are implying that there is something to win in the first place, which reveals your scarce mindset to all of your friends and girls. If you are talking about getting an attractive, attention grabbing beta male on your side, that is a different story, but if you are talking about an actual alpha male, your best bet is just to be honest with yourself and let go of trying to control something you have no hope of controlling. Your ability to walk away and care less than everyone else is your true power under those circumstances. Everything else is rationalization.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
While I smewhat agree with the description of IDGAF, I also think that it should not be an excuse to stop trying to get this or that when it didn't fell into your lap.
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yallapapi 6y ago
I like this post. Very interesting
[deleted] 6y ago
At 6'4 would i look like a monster to average height women if i was that buff?
_Trigglypuff_ 6y ago
Probably, if they stop being horrific narcissists and starving themselves to notice you.
menial_optimist 6y ago
Generally the taller you are, the harder you have to work to build visible definition. If a 5"0 dude and a 6"0 dude, from level 0 worked out the same routine for 1 year & ate the same diet at the end of the year the short dude would have much more definition going on because his muscles have physically smaller mass. At best the taller man would look a notch or two above the average body. The trade off here is that the taller guy will be physically stronger because of his physically larger muscles which can bare much more load.
e.g. midget powerlifter while able to lift more weight than most people on the planet still could not approach a 6"5 powerlifter.
It's just simple science.
JFMX1996 6y ago
Also the shorter guy has less surface area to cover, so when he builds muscle it's packed onto smaller bones (less surface area, more dense) and looks really good in a shorter amount of time.
But in the long term, the taller guy looks like a complete fucking beast when he finally breaks past that barrier and can be considered buff.
NotMyBestEffort 6y ago
But once a taller man gains that muscle definition - women start to melt
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xeneize93 6y ago
All this alpha shit LOL just be cool thats all you gotta be, just be cool, aloof, not needy thats all the rest is not giving a fuck. I know scrawny guys that get laid cause they're just cool and chilled to be around, they don't stress shit.
SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 6y ago
Go shove your lame platitudes up your ass.
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guitararvin 6y ago
I always wondered how relative alphas deal with true alphas. if you are 6'3" muscular good looking etc and some pro athlete that's a little taller with more money etc shows up, it must feel awkward.
Rollo_Mayhem3 6y ago
Someone intrepret this interaction which sounds relevant to the discussion.
I was standing on the street talking to my old boss who is now my friend. Two guys approached him to ask about buying his business. The four of us are talking about the business and what the two men intended to do with the existing business. NOW, a girl I know walks by and I leave the group to talk to her, she went to my university and I never gave her the time of day but she's friendly so I chat briefly. I see her around all the time. I return to the group and the man days to me "she only spoke to you because you were standing next to me" and then immediately says my name is John and extends his hand, which i shake. I totally ignore his statement because he doesn't know I already knew her. But it was clear his demeanor changed once he saw me talk to this "random" girl on the street.
Was that him recognizes me as alpha, was it a subtle form of competiton, an attempt at a shit test, or just a genuine expression of respect.???
JamesSkepp 6y ago
Competition.
Depending on how aggressive and how good he is in pursuing women, it's either a statement of fact (some form of marking territory, but not a threat) or a sign of weakness (not confident in his abilities, so he has to hamster this for himself as her talking to you b/c of him).
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It's like I'm reading about my old friends after I started to improve myself and gain confidence.
New friends and especially girls would follow my lead instead of theirs and it would drive them mental.
They couldn't handle me being the new leader and would throw shade, complain, attempt to steer the group unsuccessfully etc.
After a while I realized they were actually my enemies I had to cut em loose.
Aaronindhouse 6y ago
Hey guys if you are interested in this kind of stuff you should check out RSDtyler. He talks about stuff like this.
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thewrightstuff88 6y ago
The problem with this statement is that you are assuming that by YOU treating him equally, he will allow you to level the playing field. These tips are good, but only from the perspective of yourself. In these interactions you are dealing with a guy who seems like he can handle himself, especially since he is perceived to be the AMOG.
To guys like this, simple interactions can be accelerated into competitions, or displays of power, not on your end, but theirs. Sure, you can demonstrate leveling the playing field by approaching him as an "equal," however the possibility of him sensing you supplicating to him is there and in that, he has won.
Dominance hierarchy is a brutal, vicious thing, in the sense that if you see a small fire the size of a puddle, you feel capable enough to put it out, but if you see a building that is encapsulated in a blazing inferno, you'd be an idiot to think you can address it. In the end, know your role and cut your losses when you have to and put yourself in situations where you can be challenged, but the possibility of success is there if you can attain it.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
These tips are primarily not about handling AMOGs, it's about handling yourself and dealing with the feeling of being inferior, when you know you are outclassed in every way.
I'm well aware that there are different ways of handling AMOGs actively.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Cool post! Good that before posting it you gave us numerous examples on how to be that "cool non-competiting guy", for example by commenting some of posts by some of the endorsed contributors...
JamesSkepp 6y ago
Don't worry, he's not my competition.
Pokeylaw 6y ago
I'm never uncomfortable around people, I'm just a awkward mofo. I say what I want but never know when to hold back
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Shaman6624 6y ago
Yes, BUT this is still game. If you are truly confident you won't need to think about it/force it.
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185poundsofhatredWIP 6y ago
Is this even related to the post and if yes, how?
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Rollo_Mayhem3 6y ago
Despite the inflammatory example (which I take no position on because I've come to learn a lot truths through the Internet that I though were nonsense, so you never know), the poster hits on the theme of the post, seeking validation and popularity versus just knowing the truth and feeling your power despite what other forces are operating (presence of other alpha males etcc).
JamesSkepp 6y ago
The problem with NeoreactionSafe is he posts conspiracy bs like this everywhere regardless of context. His intention was not to write something pertaining to the post (regardless if it was to be praise or criticism), his intention was to use the post as jumpboard to write some more of his usual mumbo jumbo conspiracy stuff.
185poundsofhatredWIP 6y ago
He has been slipping up lately. Getting drunk at bars and being thrown out, then explaining himself to you in the comments about why he was thrown out. He has engaged the amused mastery so hard he's an asshole to random people, because he's drunk and can't control himself.
[deleted] 6y ago
About how many hours a day do you sit at your computer posting conspiracy theory drivel? How many more hours a day do you spend researching this nonsense? Do you view this as a constructive red pill use of your time? It continues to baffle me that you are an endorsed contributor of a sexual strategy subreddit but come off as an elderly recluse and kook.
keonkla 6y ago
Hey man There is always some bat shit crazy extremists in every group ( Personally its what i like about the red pill). I say hey let em go nuts with the extra stuff. Most of what ya gotta do has been beaten to death like a dog with a frustrated man that cant get it to do shit right. What he says might have a truth! This subreddit is about examining ALL types of dark truths Weather there based around male and female nature, or of politics and religion.
NeoreactionSafe 6y ago
Obviously you didn't watch the video.
Ty watching it... if you are new to the issue it might open your eyes.
CarnivOre93 6y ago
He's an endorsed contributor- show some respect.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
Where you see lack of respect, I see an accurate description of reality.
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I'm just glad you got endorsed. For me it was like another department boss being put in charge of my most difficult employee. I no longer need to call Neo out because you have it covered. But seriously, how in the fuck did he manage to mention Zionists, Torah Jews, psycopaths and Dark Luciferians in a "response" to your post?
Project_Thor 6y ago
I'm all for stopping bitches from looking like an envious retard. But this fake shit is pure faggotry.