Calling a woman is basically DEAD nowadays especially with women you just met. Unless you are already in a relationship with a woman (casual or long term) women don’t answer the phone anymore.
The women that I’m involved with 80 to 90 percent of the time we text. It use to be you either talk to a woman in person or over the phone but technology has changed that and if you don’t adapt your success with women will suffer.
I have sent and received hundreds of text so let me give you my 5 simple guides to texting women.
Number 1 Keep It Fun And Flirty
Way too many guys want to tell women their life stories, how they feel about her, etc. Keep all that to yourself especially when you just met a woman.
She was truly attracted to you and give you her number because she really does want to see you again then remain the same attractive guy.
Save the long stories and all that stuff for when you see her in person on date. Being too serious over text with a woman you just met shows too much investment which kills attraction.
Number 2 Be Short
I shake my head when guys show me longs texts they send women, nothing says to a woman you just met that you are desperate, needy and too available when you send long texts.
It just send the wrong message and I have very rarely see it work out for a guy when he does that. Think about this, if you had just 3 or 4 other women who were 9s and 10s that you were already banging would you send this new chick who you just met long ass text? I highly doubted.
Why? Because you aren’t over invested in this woman who you don’t know. Women simply aren’t attracted to men who over invest in them. Keep the text fun and flirty but short.
Number 3 Use Text To Display Leadership
When going for the date via text guys tend to ask in a weak way. They will say, “Does that day work for you?” “Are you free that day?” “I would love to see you again.” NO, NO, NO! LOL. Women want the alpha male.
Be direct and assumptive when asking for the date. Let a woman tell you that day doesn’t work for her instead of you asking her. For example say, “I’m free Wednesday let’s meet for a drink around 7”
“Let meet Sunday afternoon at Starbucks, are you more of a coffee or tea person?” “You seem cool, I guess I will give you a chance lol. How good are you at pool?”
Those text show leadership and dominance. Women respond to that type of stuff, trust me on that.
Number 4 Reframe From Using Too Many Emojis
There is nothing wrong with emojis they are actually one of my favorite things to use however you don’t want to over use them.
Again when you send too many smiley faces and expressions of I’m in love with you already emojis before the first date it sends the message of desperate and needy.
Send one or two and call it a day. I like to send the playful emojis and funny memes if I’m teasing a woman. It keeps things fun and flirty.
Number 5 Don’t Text Her Back Immediately EVERYTIME
There is nothing wrong with texting back and forth with a woman especially in the beginning because it keeps the attraction going.
HOWEVER when you text her back immediately every damn time it just shows that you either have no life or you are making her a priority too soon aka desperate which is an attraction killer.
Sometimes take 15, 20 minutes to get back to her, even if you aren’t busy which you should be, act as if you have 100 super models texting you everyday.
If you think this is too much, let me ask you a question. Have you ever experienced this with women? If you had any interaction with women you know that women don’t text you back immediately especially in the beginning. Do the same thing to them, it will keep women on their toes and interested.
Number 6 End The Text Conversation First
When you end the interaction first it just shows that you aren’t attached and you aren’t overly invested in this woman that you just met.
Women are attracted to that because mostly EVERY GUY they meet is trying to impress them and prove themselves to them. Don’t be that guy, in order to be killer with women and get the 9s and 10s you have to be different. Ending the text conversation first helps communicate that.
There are two ways to end the conversation first and I use both of them. The first way is to simply say, “Talk to you later” The second way is to just not respond after several high notes via text. Again if you think this is harsh women do this all the time so don’t worry about it.
They do the second one a lot. I’m sure you had a woman just stop responding to your text in the middle of your text interaction with them when you thought things were going well, do the same thing to them. It drives them crazy and amps up attraction.
If you want to improve your conversation skills and text game I have free guides that I'm giving away. Shoot me a pm and I will send it to you
Wishing you much success with women and dating.
DeathToTheZog 8y ago
Rule #1 Text game is about as weak as it gets. Either do a quick text to set up plans, or call them.
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ayylma088 8y ago
Actually I feel like calling a slut is a good way to Differentiate yourself from others. This way you at least stay in her mind
ksio89 8y ago
Good tips, man appreciate it. I admit I have a bit of hard time texting with women and keep them interested, because I don't know how she has reacted from what I've written. At least when I'm in person with them, I can more or less notice her reaction and change my speech accordingly. For example, if I said one thing that I supposed she would find funny or interesting, but her reaction says the opposite, I know I should change subject or my strategy in order to not lose her attention.
My game is quite decent live, but when chatting through text, it's like I almost forget how to be funny or say interesting things. Basically, I can't feel spontaneous on texting, specilly on dating apps like Tinder, feels too forced for my taste. Tried it a couple of times, things just din't feel natural and didn't go anywhere. This happens even when I have a good start after meeting them, most of times I can't bring my own self to the chat. Maybe I'm old school and like talking eye to eye or on the phone better, I need to seriously improve my game on texting with women.
aswjacob 8y ago
PM me for free texting guide.
pfletcha 8y ago
Not sure if this was mentioned already, but for #3 which says to assertively set a date up yourself , well everyone is usually super busy and shit, right?So wouldnt the chances be fairly slim most of the time that they wouldnt be working etc? Just a thought
niczar 8y ago
More specifically, wait at least twice as long as they did to you as a general rule.
If there has been a significant number of interactions, make the delay random; this has been shown to reinforce reward seeking behavior in addiction studies.
yomo86 8y ago
Logistics only. Otherwise text something of substance. Texting is for fags. I still will not enter in a de facto orbitership-servitude with "Adam :*" "Josh (work)" and "Steve (Handyman)"
THEDICKDEALER 8y ago
Do this do that. Damn the amount of energy and time that goes into women just is not worth it.
blackedoutfast 8y ago
everytime you have a new message show up, before you reply sit back and try to imagine you have two really hot naked girls sitting next to you. that's the mindset you should have when you are deciding how to reply (or not reply at all).
Alphadestrious 8y ago
Good shit.
What Would Chad Thundercock Do?
Another frame to come from as well.
ElCthuluIncognito 8y ago
I don't know how long you've held onto this bit, but post it whenever you can.
It is such an exceptionally simple mental check I could have used for awhile.
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cryptodraco 8y ago
What you said seems common sens. As a male, why would you get admiration from someone whiny, weak, and not certain about his choice. Trust me, that's not only girl who like dominant boy. If you can't get admiration from men, you won't get it from women either. We should stop pretenting. Girl and boy are not different in seduction. What I see is men tend to be boring, submissive, or not subtil, and can be perceived as a weakness.
Landry86 8y ago
Good list.
Don't drunk text at 5:00 in the morning either.
gtk0522 8y ago
I did that and I fucked up on a massive scale. For some reason, when a man is visibly attracted to a girl and thinking about her, then the woman just stops caring.
ChrisBenRoy 8y ago
Following up on this, if you are thinking of sending a foolish text due to being horny, rub one out first. Don't bang the chick in the cubicle next to you just cause you need to get your rocks off and she's giving it away for free, more trouble than what it's worth.
gtk0522 8y ago
Considering how inexperienced I am, I should bang whenever I get the chance. :/
MoATM 8y ago
Was texting back and forth with this girl last night and she just stopped replying. What would be a good way to deal with this. Do the same once she replies?
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Solon64 8y ago
The best way to deal with this is to realize that they have a life outside of texting, and so do you. Maybe she went to take a shower and go to bed, who knows. Sure the polite thing for her is to say that and not just stop mid conversation, but people these days are rude.
You deal with it by forgetting about the conversation and go off to do something else. Try to hit her up the next day or two, if still no response then she got bored of you. You screwed up somewhere, oh well, move on.
Texting is delicate. I get bored sometimes with long conversations too, so I bow out as gracefully as possible and walk away. Long text convos are boring, so keep them short and interesting.
MoATM 8y ago
Hit her up 24 hours later, acted like it didn't happen. She apologized anyway for not replying in a timely manner. Sticked to logistics and we are meeting up today. In today's modern age pretty much everyone is glued to their phone and see when they get a text. 90% sure she is just playing hard to get.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Stop texting outside of logistics.
AGameofTrolls 8y ago
Hey, guys. Noob here. What's this thing about logistics?
RonieGarret 8y ago
Logistics: what place and time you have choosen for date.
MoATM 8y ago
Was about to ask her out, wasnt holding off or anything. I think she is just playing hard to get. I have seen some major IOIs in person and she always texts hey with like 5 ys. I might try again but im going to wait a while to seem unafected and maintain frame. Just act like it didnt happen whilst keeping frame and sticking to logistics. If she does that again, I might next her.
Asendriel 8y ago
I've noticed that a lot of women have their priorities different, and don't mind just ending a text-conversation abruptly if she's feeling tired, doing something else, etc. My guess would be because they talk with guys a lot, and it's not a big deal to them. Where as for us, the stakes are high if we're interested in locking her down
My suggestion is to just accept it and wait. If you've thrown the ball to her, let her catch it. The more balls you throw at once, the more difficult it will be for her to catch them, and she will just walk away instead
Danzzo36 7y ago
Funny you say that, I saw this on a girls instagram after reading this "I don't always have time to text people back, but when I do I don't"
MoATM 8y ago
Thats a good analogy, I'll keep it in mind.
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SquadZCody 8y ago
I am dealing with a girl exactly like this. I am on the edge of nexting, ghosting, or sticking around. I'm not sure yet. She keeps wanting to hang out, but at the same time she talks about how she is a "thing" with this other boy. Now, i'm not some blind fuck who cant see that she isn't interested in me. But, I am wondering if I should stick around for seconds. She honestly is dumb as fuck and this other guy has clearly been hanging around other girls. She tells me how she has worked things out with him and they are all good. Is this a far fetched shit test? Hahaha, i think not. This cant be a snowflake BECAUSE THEY DONT EXIST. I'm probably just some main orbiter.
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SquadZCody 8y ago
Hell yeah! check out my post on askTRP for the details, I'd like some input from you if you dont mind.
I guess just go to my profile and see what I last posted. I not very savy when it come to reddit lol sorry.
littleblacktruck 8y ago
Tomorrow you text her: "whatsup flakey mcflakerson" EXACTLY like that. No punctuation. Works every time.
tjwplans 8y ago
I'm not sure if that was sarcasm but that just makes him look butthurt that she didn't reply.
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It works to tease her a bit for flaking as long as she senses the flake didnt phase you
littleblacktruck 8y ago
What if she does think it phased you? Who cares? Don't be afraid to move on. NEXT TARGET.
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No argument but its not so hard to show (or fake) that it didnt phase you and no need to move on.
Done right, women should feel you asked her out not that she is so so special but that you are always asking women out because thats how you roll
p3n1x 8y ago
You shouldn't be initiating a text with a chick that flakes out in the first place. That is the express train to beta town.
littleblacktruck 8y ago
Got it from a Chateau Heartiste and it works every damn time. Sidebar, homies. Fucking sidebar.
MoATM 8y ago
Haven't dug in to deep into his stuff, can you explain how this works?
littleblacktruck 8y ago
With no emoji or punctuation, she doesn't know if you're playing or mad. A woman is just too damn curious. They respond every time.
MoATM 8y ago
I can see how that works, however I think just blowing it off like it didn't happen and not giving what she said any power might be better. Not to mention I am Mexican and I can't really think of an alternative to that in spanish. But thanks, I'll keep it in mind.
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Texting is probably the strongest facet of my game, crafted from years of learning from mistakes and seeing what works/what doesn't
This post is 100% accurate. On average you should never text more than her, longer than her, or more emojis than her. If the banter is good include the above but it shouldn't be every time. People want what they can't have, never be too needy
Something funny happened to you today and you want to joke about it with her? Save the golden stuff for face to face, keep texts short, humorous, and aloof. Never validate the attention she is looking for
Mufusm 8y ago
Same here. I am definitely way better at texting than live. But it depends on who you are talking to. Being articulate laying out your ideas in an intelligent way always helps.
What I really mean is I use big words I would not in conversation, and for some reason it fucking works. Go figure.
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hahaha what kind of deep conversations do you get with texting? Just curious. If its anything heavy (religion, politics, etc) which can pop up I have no problem getting my hands dirty but would MUCH rather have those conversations in person and utilize controlled aloofness
Texting is nice though because you have a chance to be much more clever and can plan out things to say ahead of time. Always be suggestive but not explicit is what works for me
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mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
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That's an extreme rule that can be useful at times but I don't follow it anymore. It's useful if you're genuinely not alpha yet and need a hard fast rule to prevent yourself from fucking things up. If you're comfortably alpha, though, texting can be fun and can keep you on her mind.
tjwplans 8y ago
Yeah, if you're under the age of 25 this rule doesn't apply at all. Whether you like it or not texting/social media is a cornerstone of teenage life. The only way texting doesn't benefit you is if you have an extremely low SMV.
p3n1x 8y ago
Group think / herd mentality
Social Media does not = social proof.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Bullshit. You sound like the same clowns who say that if you delete your social media, everyone will treat you like an outcast with leprosy.
If a girl is attracted to you she won't give a shit about not being a big texter or on social media. There is only one thing you can do by texting too much and that is hurt yourself. You can't generate attraction over text. You can destroy attraction over text, though. So its a lose-lose to text outside of logistics. You have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Also texting outside of logistics makes it appear like you have nothing better to be doing. A man who is having a bullshit non logistic convo with a woman is not making good use of his time. A man with an exciting life with productive shit to be doing has no time to sit around and have a "Hey how are you how was your day" BORING convo with a woman that she has had with dozen of other guys.
You think Chad has time to sit around and just mindlessly chat with women over text? No, because he is too busy slaying pussy. Texting outside of logistics is for orbiters and betas. Every text you send a woman should progress the ultimate goal of meeting up with her in person. If it doesn't do that, don't send it.
tjwplans 8y ago
You sound like an old head who's angry technology is taking over. Chances are I'm alot younger than you and I know the benfits texting can have. And you're absolutely right, texting won't build attraction if there was none to begin with, and texting 24/7 about bullshit can kill attraction. But I'd be lying if I said there's more to it than just using it for "logistics"
cryptodraco 8y ago
And let's be honest: texting too much look like you never had sex.
SpinPlates 8y ago
Boring people with no exciting hobbies delete their social media.
Instagram gets me laid more than tinder. You just have to be interesting and take good pictures.
cryptodraco 8y ago
Yes, but you only fuck the same profil pattern. So it get boring the more you attract people.
SpinPlates 8y ago
Um. What?
I'm a white guy and in the month of June I fucked 1 black girl, 2 Hispanic girls and 1 white girl.
The black girl was an 8/10 model and one of the Hispanic girls was a 9.9/10 Club Promoter/Bottle girl.
What profile pattern are you talking about?
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aga080 8y ago
i cant stand this fucking sub anymore
SpinPlates 8y ago
I've been here longer than you. It was never good.
p3n1x 8y ago
Sorry mate, but you don't need to be a social media spotlight validation primadonna to get laid. If you are interesting, you are interesting period. You sure as hell don't need to posture with your 9.9/10 subjective looking girl.
Good for you, do a write up about it and help others out. Nobody here wants to fuck you, so drop the edgelord charade.
SpinPlates 8y ago
Someone just said something so preposterous that I had to reply with a slight ego. He literally just said that social media makes you fall into the same profile pattern. That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.
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nibinay 8y ago
No mention of the golden ratio? It's the 5th commandment.
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This is the same as actually talking on the phone.
Show interest but not too much. Let her do the talking.
FWIW, some women will see you as "different" enough in a good way if you call.
her : Blah blah
you: Call me.
( notice no question mark, just a statement)
iloveturks 8y ago
I agree with this, and in my experience, calling is actually much better (on the assumption that you're good over the phone) because it sets you apart from most men (ie the ones that thinking 'texting is dead')
once in a while it will backfire and she'll be shit over the phone or there's very little chemistry, but then what have you really lost, she's likely a shit conversationalist or a shit match and you've dodged a bullet
CapNCookM8 8y ago
May I ask how old you guys are? I'm 20 and every other girl, scratch that, person, around my age is too afraid to even call in a pizza order let alone talk to some guy calling them (which I guess is OP's point of the post -- calling is becoming dated). I get confidence plays a role here, but maybe it can be taken as creepy. I've never tried calling a girl pre-first date so I can't speak from experience, but I usually just use text to set up dates, which is enough to set me apart from most guys it seems.
iloveturks 8y ago
i'm nearly 27, but i've been sticking to calling since about 21 or so
to give you some context, whilst people would remark it was somewhat unusual back then, it seems a much, much rarer behaviour now. also, the word "creepy" was never used, but i've heard it bandied about from time to time now, and it shits me to tears - humans have communicated for thousands of year through vocalisation and body language, the only thing that's creepy is the continued degeneracy of society and our loss of humanity
the pre-date phone call comes exclusively out of the tinder match. so, match on tinder, banter for no more than 10 messages or so, get the number, make the phone call, banter some more (which gives you a free preview of the date and to see if there's any chemistry and flow), set up the date with a specific time, place, other logistics, etc., and then radio silence until you meet her on the date
watch some early videos of coach corey wayne, i learned a lot of this shit from him
Late30sMasculist 8y ago
Are these the same people that always talk about how the "have anxiety?" That is something else that confuses an old bastard like me. To me that's like announcing that you are mentally ill and can't function in society. If you really do have problems like that, you generally don't advertise it, but now it seems like it's no big deal. I think I will post in Ask TRP about this since it honestly baffles me.
Late30sMasculist 8y ago
I'm a little old school (see username) and I have the same experience of girls remarking that they liked that I called them. The context is online dating and my targets are girls early 20s-early 30s. I guess it shows confidence, or something?
Exactly. In which case you save yourself a bunch of time and effort setting up a date and meeting a chick that bores the hell out of you.
My problem is how to cut the conversation short before it gets into the "so where do you live? What is your job?" boring shit that girls always like to ask.
Protip: as soon as the girl texts you, call her on the phone. You know that at that moment she has the phone in her hand and is in the mood for social interaction. So she's much more likely to answer.
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Definetly call her, it is assertive like when cold calling a client. For some reason, most people have anxiety about calling or approaching objects of desire like women or customers, and the person who displays power over fear is automatically attractive. But like all indications of interest, limit it as much as you can.
I don't buy the whole "she is shit over the phone" stuff, if she is boring over the phone, tell her you gotta go and move on to the next girl untill she puts more effort in. I have never had a boring phone convo with a woman that was interested in me.
vengefully_yours 8y ago
My favorite is a challenge. If we haven't met in person yet, "I hope your tits aren't too big, that's a deal breaker for me." Usually they send pics of their tits to prove they're not unacceptable. If we've met already and I know there's attraction, it's "send/show tits" usually they'll try to brush it off, come back to it at random without an apology and once she sends them, you know she will fuck as long as you don't screw it up.
Being forward and making it obvious as to what you're here for works. If she balks, find another one. There's lots of them out there
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afrophysicz 8y ago
Yeah I'm gonna say that you're 100% bullshitting this one
AlphaOctopus 8y ago
yeah no way anyone gets titty pics IRL?!1
CoolyRanks 8y ago
Proof that anybody can post any made up story on trp and it'll be upvoted.
p3n1x 8y ago
Just because these things don't happen to you, does not mean they don't happen.
The point of the story is, don't hide your dick. Don't be a pussy about making your intentions known.
And yes, what /u/vengefully_yours posted can work, especially when they are attracted.
jonknownothing 8y ago
Dude, I dare you, No, I double dare you to try it to any girl and put it here.
I will be really amazed if this shit autistic technique works
p3n1x 8y ago
You are daring me online to share my porn with you?
I dare you to find your own methods and text this to a chick without being a whiny blue pill that is "afraid to lose a possible unicorn".
Some of us here are sharing from personal experiences, not day dreams and dares.
Sexting works, don't be a pussy about it. If you feel like this won't work for you, then it is possible that your opening frame sucks, or you lack the confidence to pull it off OR you are chasing down energy wasting prudes.
kranos33 8y ago
After banging, yes. Unless she is trash, I have never seen this work before that.
As for this for this forum, we are all anonymous, vengefully_yours, could be either a successful guy, or some dude living in a trailer park in Arizona, we don't know.
If he is being honest about it, and it works for him, you should ask this question: Would this work in my environment, social class/setting?
That's why you have to take any advice here with a pinch of salt. You never know what kind of environment that experience is coming from.
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he may be leaving some context out(afro).. but i have 100% made this happen before even being on RP. its not that difficult if it makes sense with your frame. it works with butts too
bluesnsouls 8y ago
3 works wonder, every time I ask someone out I do it that way and when they can't that day, I often receive something like this "Im busy that day, but I would love to go out x day"
aswjacob 8y ago
BINGO! That is the whole point of doing it that way.
orezavi 8y ago
What do you do when you need to reconnect with someone after a long time? How does one initiate?
iNisaok 8y ago
Number 3 sounds like bs and "doucey". asking "hey are you free that day? Does this work for you?" That's shows me that you respect me as a person and care enough to schedule whatever around both of our time.
"You seems cool, I guess I'll give you a chance" lol wtf, that sounds too doucey and I would most likely say no.
MartinMcFlyy 8y ago
If a 10 said this to you it wouldn't phase you. Nice try tho.
SelfRighte0usSuicide 8y ago
Lol. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Number 3 is probably the most important and most obvious one!
Solon64 8y ago
Ehh, I've used lines similar to this one before. It's fun and flirty, it's being playful, not douchey. Sure it could come off that way, especially over a text, but the key with sentences like this is tone and body language.
Sarcasm is fun, but it does NOT translate well over text. I assume you're a girl? Or someone interested in guys, anyway. Yeah, if you've never met the guy that says this, it sounds terrible, but if you have and you can picture how he'd say it (just a bit of light poking for fun), then it works.
That's why the advice is to not text. Tone and body language are absolutely key and you cannot convey those over text.
grandaddychimp 8y ago
In my blue pill days several years ago, one of my plates was a 19 year old HB8. I had already deleted all social media by that point. I NEVER texted her, I would only call her and even then the conversations were purely logistical. "Hey. When are you free? Let's chill on this day. Bye." Our entire relationship from beginning to end was face to face, old school style.
It was pretty nice while it lasted...but then she wanted commitment and that just fucked everything up. I wasn't looking for a girlfriend and even if I was, it certainly wouldn't have been her because she cheated on her boyfriend with me. I didn't say that to her, I just kept pulling the "im not ready for that yet, let's take it slow" crap just so I could fuck her for as long as possible before she realized I was never going to LTR her. Then she soft-nexted me two weeks later when she found a boyfriend.
So I suppose in my blue pill days I was pretty Machiavellian and red pilled, but I was still a beta loser in my LTRs.
I guess my Point is that not texting women and just calling them gives them tingles because you're making her uncomfortable by having to talk on the phone, and she thinks there's something different about you because no guys do that. Texting and especially social media put you in her frame. Calling for logistics only pulls her hard into your frame.
oddisay 8y ago
Thx for bringing this up again. I used to employ this strategy but for some reason forgot about it, probably out of laziness. Calling is good, what's your opinion on leaving a message?
grandaddychimp 8y ago
I'd always leave a message so she doesn't think you called her by accident
LOST_TALE 8y ago
Sometimes I wonder if all this trp stuff only works with crazies.
Entropy-7 8y ago
Test convo:
I want to cover you in peanut butter!