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Posted 8y ago in Rant / Vent - Permalink - Locked - 2.5K Views

I was at a bar last weekend, and my LTR goes to the bathroom. I figured, fuck it, I'll just find a chair and watch some dudes play pool. I figured that shed be gone for about 5 minutes.

Unlike a lot of people here, I'm no Greek God. Im 5'10 and about 165 pounds. Ive been lifting for a while, and people often comment about my physique, but I started when I was kinda skinny fat (forced weight gain, anorexia, long story). As a result, I dont have as much definition as I would like. I would put my bf% at around 15 (reality check: there are dudes on here saying they are 4-5 %. I would advise everyone to google what body fat percents look like. I had one of those handheld machines tell me 4% and I know that's total BS).

Anyway, after my girlfriend leaves, a group of foreign women start hovering over me. Im sitting on a chair backwards with my arms on its back. After about a minute, one of the girls starts poking the indent on my arm where my tricep is. I say, "can I help you", and her friends start giggling. I get up to face them directly, and before I can say anything else, another girl squeezes my chest. And then again. I admit that I dont't have great frame control, and as a result, I was kind of speechless. At this moment, my girlfriend comes out, sees them giggling at me, and starts asking me what's going on. I'm pissed at this point, so I say "Nothing, watching pool but these thirsty women are in the way". The female group gets the hint and leaves.

What mindset must you have to think squeezing a complete stranger's chest is OK? If genders were reveresed, I'd be crucified or beaten up. Do females not realize the immense hypocrasy in their actions? Why do I not deserve the same physical privacy that they do? The entire scenario was so unbelievable to me.

Am I approaching this situation the wrong way? Instead of feeling anger, should I feel gratification and validation? What is the correct way to approach what happened, both intellectually and in the moment (I realized after that I could have said something like "Ok, my turn now").

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FrameWalker 8y ago

Its incredibly sad and true. Its not ugly weirdos that end up without human touch, its most guys. 80% of men are invisible to women.

DarthRoach 8y ago

It does fuck one up. Hugging wasn't even a thing in my family until my way younger brothers appeared, and by that time I was unable to hug my parents. I'd never give mom or grandma a kiss, I'd just shake their hand (still the same now that I think of it). First time I ever got hugged was by a girl in my class when I was 16 years old. Needless to say, took way, way longer to get any further with girls.

LuvBeer 8y ago

Spot on. Writing about his experience in prison, Daniel Genis writes:
"Men in prison slap each other on the back and rub each other's necks and hug and give elaborate handshakes and do strange exercises in which the men use each other's body weight. It is all an excuse for touch. "

kalstate 8y ago

Holy shit...light-bulb moment indeed. A lot of my male friends are dead from suicide; it's pretty difficult to go through life as a physical being without physical contact.

chinawinsworlds 8y ago

You're right, from age 7-20 I could probably count the amount of hugs/physical touch I received outside of relationships on a single hand. Women get 500 hugs a week.

MattyAnon Admin 8y ago

A relative I know is always demanding kisses from a small child relative.

If it was a guy saying... "give me kisses, you never give me kisses" from a girl child, it would be creepy as fuck. But because it's from a female, she thinks it's just fine even though he's weirded out, doesn't want to, and is expected to put up with it.

FrameWalker 8y ago

Children and small animals tortured by fat sweaty women desperately trying to fill their void. Its not unlike gorillas manhandling kittens and dragging them around the enclosure like ragdolls

Ibex3D 8y ago

I haven't been touched sexually in like 2 years. The longer I go without it, the longer I feel isolated and disconnected from people.

ZippyTheSpaceMonkey 8y ago

Dude, $200 and a trip downtown can fix that. It's only human to need physical connection.

supitsLoki 8y ago

If it's warth the legal risk, depending on location.

Also, who fucks someone once and is content? If $200 gets you through a few months, fine, but that's not enough for most dudes I know.

cascadecombo 8y ago

The mental aspect is quite different.

Hideydid 8y ago

This is why social dance is amazing.

KermitTheeFrog777 8y ago

Highly salient point about social dance and human contact. The only commom forms of social dance now are highly sexualized. You might say this correlates with the extreme nature of today's casual sex culture: the primary need of many people in it (or striving to be in it) is not sexual release but just human contact. We tend to be very touch-phobic in America, second only to the Brits.

This reminds me now of my embarrassing Junior prom experience. Very BP, had finally worked up the balls to ask my major major crush to be my date. Beautiful perky church girl, sharp as hell. She said yes, but I was totally shocked (and heartbroken) when she started busting a move grinding at the dance (assuming the role of teacher), and then afterwards met up with her boyfriend (whom she had made no mention of). My tender BP evangelical self would have genuinely enjoyed that night a lot more with swing dancing or Charleston. (A la Its A Wonderful Life)

Also relevant: 6 months after that, when a good friend of mine greeted me with a bear hug, a wave of emotion involuntarily washed over me, and I nearly lost it in tears in front of him. Confused me at first, but I realized then that I had really had no significant human contact in all that time since the heartbreak. Also made me realize my dad rarely hugged me.

But don't shed a tear for me--I'm 25 now and can't keep my balls full around my Dominican gf. Got this blonde brazilian haranguing me to go out too (hot but in a custody battle so will probably pass).

I love happy endings.

thanksTRP

The_BeardedGentleman 8y ago

Its fine if it isn't your thing, but tons of colleges have interesting dance based classes you can take during after hours. Don't even have to be attending the college. I went and did 2 swing dance courses last year at the college where I was living. Pretty much all women except the teacher, this guy there with his gf, and me. Free college chicks... Not a bad trade for getting outside my comfort zone.

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I really started to realize how big "touching" was when I was at a service academy. Besides getting pretty socially proficient through basically 24/7 contact with a diverse group of people, small things like high fives, fist bumps, quick buddy hugs, and compliments really cement male bonds. People respond to it and you quickly become friends with a lot of people with the other end of the spectrum being friendly, comfortable acquintances.

Another point is that dancing nowadays isn't dancing. Fuck all that Luddite shit. When girls say they like to dance they mean they like two step in circles with their girlfriends, and if they say they are good at dancing they mean they knew how to move their hips when grinding with you.

PeteMullersKeyboard 8y ago

All this.

Also - number of girls I've met who claim they're good dancers: About all of them. Number who actually were - a handful, if that.

moose_war 8y ago

Men who don't have a partner often go without experiencing meaningful touch for years, even decades.

THIS is why I feel bad for lonely guys in their 20s. I've been there. I've thought about this.

I've had girls whine to me about being lonely...and "Depressed"...because they haven't fucked their boyfriends in 2 whole weeks. SERIOUSLY. 2 weeks. Try being one of those guys who hasn't been hugged in 20 years or something.

Part of me thinks that the silver lining is that most men are stronger than most women who can't even make it 1 month without a dick inside them. Like Bill Burr says, you rub one out like a man.

Men suffer silently all the time and we just learn to deal with it. We learn to survive.

cariboo_j 8y ago

Whenever I hear girls (or boys... But let's be honest its usually girls) complaining about being single and not getting laid for a couple months I feel contempt.

They are addicts fiending for emotional validation.

If you date them they won't see you as a person, just a means to quench this constant need for validation.

I've dated girls that were serial monogamists who just couldn't go a few weeks without some guy coddling them and telling them how awesome they are. They began to feel sorry for themselves after a few weeks of no attention.

People like that disgust me.

moose_war 8y ago

who just couldn't go a few weeks without some guy coddling them and telling them how awesome they are. They began to feel sorry for themselves after a few weeks of no attention.

Yup. And I have known otherwise faithful girls that became ripe for cheating after a few weeks of their boyfriend being away. I don't mean they would actively try and cheat, but they'd get flirtier and more emotional and it probably wouldn't have been hard to lay the groundwork for an one night stand (aka "a mistake") with them.

I always say if men think with their dicks, women think with their ovaries. The thing is that they're usually getting their pussy stuffed daily so we never get to see how depraved a thirsty girl can be, but we all know they're just as bad as men in that department. A woman can't land a good boyfriend automatically, but she can quench her thirst with tinder cum and swing from branch to branch until she finds "the one". Meanwhile many men are limping on the floor of the forest, looking up at these women swinging around in the trees, crying about how lonely they are.

BrunoOh 8y ago

It's part of why single and childless post wall women tend to be emotional wrecks.

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moose_war 8y ago

The few women I have met that were not like that tended to be much more confident and interesting. The more a woman was terrified of being alone, the less personality she has. Same with men. Men and women who can deal with lonely spells tend to make better partners.

moosevice_dot_com 8y ago

well said moose_war, well said.

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Stayinghereforreal 8y ago

Men who don't have a partner often go without experiencing meaningful touch for years, even decades. We work hard through public service announcements to tell people who feel suicidal that they are not alone, but in all honesty, how could you feel anything but utterly alone under those conditions?

Dang. That one strikes me as one of those Sudden Clarity moments about what I saw in many men over the years.

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tallwheel 8y ago

Also why professional cuddlers are now a thing.

Iupvoteforknowledge 8y ago

Jesus Christ that is depressing.

TaylorWolf 8y ago

I know this is part of the reason I love Jiu Jitsu. Grabbing and wrapping people male and female is a great release of tension for me.

It's like yoga with groping lol

Bellum00 8y ago

Haha true, ne waza is all happy hugging, cranking and choking... until you get that foreign drop of sweat in your mouth.

Another thing I love about randori is how you are totally lost in the moment.

RPAlternate42 8y ago

It's yoga with groping that implies the power of the ability to kill.

Remember, BJJ tapping is the practice version of "I'm dead, you win."

TheRedPilsner 8y ago

I can confirm this. I'm casual friends with a woman who has worked off and on as a stripper for over a decade (she started when she was 18). She's told me that she's got a regular customer who is a millionaire in his 50s. He has no family and no close friends. He comes into the club where she works 3 or 4 times a week and books private shows with her that last 2 or 3 hours at a time (a private show is $150 for 30 minutes). When she told me this, I asked her "How do you fill all of that time?" Her response: "He's lonely. Sometimes he brings in his iPad and we watch movies, and sometimes we just cuddle and talk."

DRMMR76 8y ago

That man is a genius. Let's be blunt, even men need emotional fulfillment. Anyone of you who have ever been in an LTR or dated some girl in middle school gotta admit that you had butterflies in your stomach the first time you held hands or kissed. It's easy to pretend that it's all about eat/lift/fuck/repeat, but even guys want to do shit like just lay there and watch a movie or hold hand.

They key is to do it on your terms when you want. That millionaire figured it out. Having relations with a woman doesn't have to be all about sex, nor should it be. He figured out it's much safer to rent sexual time from woman....AND emotional comfort time. He gets everything he wants, sex or cuddling, on an hour by hour basis, with no marriage commitment. Genius.

TheRedPilsner 8y ago

He's bought her jewelry and told her repeatedly that he has feelings for her, but she refuses to leave her husband for him. This millionaire guy would totally marry her if he could.

DRMMR76 8y ago

Well then it sounds like he stumbled upon a rather beneficial business relationship out of sheer luck.

RedSovereign 8y ago

Point granted.

Movonnow 8y ago

Few years ago, I went to get my hair cut. She was washing my hair and I suddenly thought : this is the first woman who touches me.

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moosevice_dot_com 8y ago

Thanks for sharing brother

RPAlternate42 8y ago

During my DB years... pre-RP... I used to look forward to getting my haircut for this reason.

Human touch is powerful.

tallwheel 8y ago

I've always enjoyed getting my hair cut since I was a little boy. Makes me feel really relaxed. Like getting a scalp massage.

Mmagikarp 8y ago

Yeah it is. I used to get into a lot of fights as a kid, to the point that the public school told my Grandparents (guardians) that I needed counseling. Long story short, that was the only type of human contact I ever got, and I wasn't that good with words either. Made it to the Olympic Boxing tryouts.

Movonnow 8y ago

I still do...

It took me a year to learn the basics of TRP and fix my professional situation. Only this week have I began to improve (working out, eating healthy, cutting off drugs).

Last time a girl touched me? About a year and a half. It feels like there is an invisible wall between me and women.

I will change that.

All that lost time...

RPAlternate42 8y ago

If you are still angry, know that the anger never ceases, it just slowly converts to productivity via epiphanies.

At the beginning I was very angry: at my wife, at my father, at my mother, but ultimately at me.

Then the anger became focused into it's own cure: I studied stoicism, adopted it's tenets as affirmations and applied a realist filter to my life and then everything became a binary choice: I can do, or not do... and from that blooms another binary choice.

We all say "lift..." but we never say why; we never say the real reason. the obvious application of gym time is an improved physique, but the time there translates into something else. It was that introspective time that I figured most of many things out.

Movonnow 8y ago

I like working out because when I work out, I take care of myself. And I know nobody else will.

I like working out because when I see my body in the mirror, I have respect for myself.

cascadecombo 8y ago

If you are still angry, know that the anger never ceases, it just slowly converts to productivity via epiphanies.

This is complete bullshit, the anger goes away completely. When you have understanding there is no reason to be angry. It becomes a live and let live style of life, once you have the capability to navigate properly obstacles are nothing more than expected hindrances.

-PopeOfNope- 8y ago

This. It may take a while, but the angry phase does go away and is replaced with calm acceptance. And thank god too. Being angry all the time takes a lot of time and energy that are better spent on your hobbies, goals or business.

RPAlternate42 8y ago

It probably depends on the list time factor

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PeteMullersKeyboard 8y ago

It's for this reason I like to lift alone when I do, I like being able to just sit by myself, listen to music, think, and work out. If I want to be social I go out to the bar or hang out with friends. Not that I need an empty gym, but sometimes it's really nice to have that.

cockstantino 8y ago

I have the luxury of having a large open room with a huge mirror in it, plus I've invested some adjustable dumbells and a bar.

I let loose and dance in between sets while blasting some EDM, or just think in silence. 10/10 would never go back to the gym

PeteMullersKeyboard 8y ago

My dream is to someday have a decent space where I can have a home gym...a good one, so I don't have to even waste time going back and forth. Although I'm not sure if that will ever happen.

NeoreactionSafe 8y ago

I go to festivals where there is a lot of drinking and dancing. You get used to touching (intimately) about 10-15 women on a good day.

In bars I'm the guy that strikes up conversations with everyone and will touch men and women without much thought.

Sure... the girls were attracted to you and acted on some horny feelings... no big deal.

Men Love, Women Charm.

Always remember No Charm, No Love.

So these girls weren't Charming you they were using you as a toy.

You only fail if react like a beta and foolishly Love these girls.

Your LTR, we assume, is a well trained obedient puppy (female) who has a proven track record of respect (Charm) and you reward this with your Love. As long as everything is in order there is no problem.

If you fear your LTR's reaction when you did not Love/Lust the girls you are the one in error because your relationship is a lie. If your relationship is beta you have fear of her reaction.

Jooceyjooce 8y ago

5'10" at 165 and 15% body fat? That means you have 140 pounds of lean mass. I don't believe this horse shit for a second. You are positively DYEL.

aesthetics4ever 8y ago

Don't know why the downvotes. lol

niczar 8y ago

Unlike a lot of people here, I'm no Greek God.

Don't sweat it, we're all fat virgin neckbeards anyway.

psyocal 8y ago

You seem quite modest about your physique. You are probably a lot more attractive than you think you are. Keep improving your body for health reasons and receive the bonus perks (admiration from others, especially women).

What mindset must you have to think squeezing a complete stranger's chest is OK?

We live in a world of double standards. I'm very happy when women put their hands on me in public. Once they touch my chest, I will go for theirs (slowly and non-violently, of course). Sometimes they will pretend to get offended and playfully slap my shoulder or chest again, at which point I immediately call them out. They become defensive and you're free to touch all you want after that.

And like u/Stories_of_Red mentioned,

Seriously, I think they barely realize they are doing it. They just think, "Oh, I want to touch that..."

I've never heard of this theory before but it makes sense. I'm noticing this more with women who are in relationships. We are all visual creatures and because of your weight training, you've become more visually appealing.

mordanus 8y ago

Why do I not deserve the same physical privacy that they do

This is female solipsism. Nothing matters except for what they want. It doesn't even dawn on them that you might have a feeling on their actions one way or another because they just don't care. Only they matter

Stories_of_Red 8y ago

The term is "swolesting." Gym rats joke about the effect booze and muscles have on women. Once you get the "v-torso" shape and defined musculature women prefer, you will find that they just start reaching out and touching you in public.

It happens almost autonomously, without them realizing it. I have been in bars with a S/O, and had women rubbing the small of my back right above my butt, and purring something to the effect of, "You are in such good shape..." Women in the office will talk to me, and then start rubbing my abs, without any prelude, while saying "Wow, your stomach is so hard..." Tons of kino from gals in social settings where they run their hand up and down your arm, from shoulder to forearm. Etc. Just happens. Gals in groups are even more apt to do it, I think, once they see another gal running her hand back and forth across your shoulders and back without you getting upset.

Seriously, I think they barely realize they are doing it. They just think, "Oh, I want to touch that..." and do it. If you called them on it, they would likely just withdraw their hand and wonder why you bothered them about something they did not really do.

I never bother to say anything. I typically just ignore it.

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StrikePrice 8y ago

I made the mistake of calling it out once. This woman at work was all over me in the office and then she leaned in and said "Wow! You smell good too!"

I laughed and said "You're harassing me!" as a joke. She's Indian, but at that moment her face was as white as a ghost. She just walked off without saying a word.

dennislang 8y ago

Seriously, I think they barely realize they are doing it. They just think, "Oh, I want to touch that..." and do it.

Exactly this. Getting upset with women for fondling a fine male specimen is like getting upset with hypergamy. That's how they're wired and that's how they do.

Try to find an appreciation for this. Imagine just how perfect a pair of breasts would have to be for you to involuntarily give them a squeeze. Sure, apples and oranges but put yourself in a woman's shoes. After all, that's what a big part of TRP is to me: realizing that the world looks significantly different depending on what's between your legs.

Aerobus 8y ago

Women lack self control. I've written about it before. It's no wonder that they touch whatever shiny object comes their way. They are too stupid to realize that what they are doing would be considered unacceptable by society. Once they see those washboard abs or those pertinent triceps, their whole mind is occupied by thoughts of "touch. must touch. must touch now" and because women have smaller brains, they act on those thoughts immediately without pondering what it would be like to have some self-control.

killcat 8y ago

Back when I was very BP, but lifting and doing MA for fun, I was also doing medieval reenactment for shits and giggles. We went to an event and on the way back the bus broke down so we started horsing around while we waited. The girlfriend (a Swede of Japanese extraction, weird mix) of a guy in the club jumped on to my back and was "wrestling" (read groping) me, the look on the guys face was intense. I can remember thinking "Why's he angry at me, she jumped on me?". I never realized that at 6'4" and around 220lb I was somewhat imposing :).

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have this physique. can confirm. Women just touch me up. i just ignore it.

some of them can control themselves, and instead ask me why i have so many muscles. i love that question, you can really fuck with them.

'oh, well i need them to wrestle bears, my house has a real bear problem at the moment' or some such ad libbed thing.

benzamtrp 8y ago

Hahaha! This is gold, I steal it.

seebuyfly 8y ago

Bodybuilding motivation if ever I saw it!

Super-Saiyajin 8y ago

He isn't lying. People here preach lifting and exercise for a reason!

choicemeats 8y ago

OMG this makes incredible sense now. This was 5 years ago and I had just started lifting. I had put on mass but wasn't cut (but I wasn't round either) and went with this girl to a grunge show in NYC. On the way back, tipsy, she had her hand up my shirt to feel my nonexistent abs. I honestly had no idea what to do.

Well, we left and took the subway--I got off at my stop and haven't talked to her since lol.

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1independentmale 8y ago

wonder why you bothered them about something they did not really do.

Haha! Ain't that the fucking truth. I can't even count the number of times I've watched a woman do something with my own eyes and when called out, she completely denies it. A girl I used to live with was notorious for that. I don't get it, does this actually work on anyone? If I saw it happen there's nothing you can do or say to convince me otherwise.

p3ndulum 8y ago

I can't even count the number of times I've watched a woman do something with my own eyes and when called out, she completely denies it.

I watched an episode of Bar Rescue last night where they caught one of the female bartenders steal the owner's sweatshirt, on camera. They showed her the clip, and then the owner was pressed to fire her. While the two of them were outside (the owner and the bartender), she kept repeating "I've never stolen anything in my life!" Bitch, we all just saw you steal on camera.

Stayinghereforreal 8y ago

I don't get it, does this actually work on anyone?

Yes. Most guys, in fact. We call it typical Blue Pill acceptance of the lies fed to guys.

Sunshinelorrypop 8y ago

It's also why they believe they make up obvious lies in the media and expect that there will be no fact checking. It's worked a thousand times in real life, why not for Rolling Stones?

IllimitableMan 8y ago

Another reason to lift, as if the increased T/productivity/mental health wasn't enough by itself:

Built-in soft dread wherever you go.

Kinda levels the playing field, because if your girl is hot then she has the same thing.

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200mgtestc 8y ago

Yes, yes, and yes. I've advocated soft dread in LTR's for forever, and getting in sick shape is the best form of all.

I get checked out on the street and touched at bars all the time, and we both know it. My GF steps her shit up without me saying anything. It's awesome.

This is the only way LTR's ever work, IMO, which is that you need to be one step ahead in terms of soft dread. If not - you're done.

rpdoomed 8y ago

Soft dread in LTRs is crucial. I was in good shape when I entered into this LTR, but then a buddy of mine asked to come lift with me. He's taken the pill, but he had no idea how to lift. So he got a membership, and I've been hitting up the gym even more often. I've also been eating way healthier since I've been helping him with fixing his diet. All this has led to me being in great shape, very close to what I was during my wrestling years in high school.

There is an extremely noticeable difference in my girl's behavior. She hasn't quite hopped on the workout bandwagon yet, but you can tell she's getting insecure (ie more attempts at contact when we're not together, calling and trying to talk to me about dumb shit like what pots and pans to buy, asking to meet me for my lunch break, etc...).

I haven't changed any behaviors besides getting in even better shape, and the constant soft dread just started on its own.

200mgtestc 8y ago

Tried to get my GF to lift for a year. Finally it got to the point where she realized I was pulling away in the SMV department and she jumped right in.

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slavetothought 8y ago

I fucking grab their breasts back after they do it. If anyone says anything I remind them that the girl did it first. Makes a point. (Not that I recommend other people do this)

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didyoudie 8y ago

How has this worked out lol. Do they do anything?

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keytoimmortality 8y ago

I've started doing this lately too, and have only ever gotten a giggle as a response and an "I can't believe you just did that?!"

Chances are if she's groping you, she won't be too against the idea of you reciprocating by doing the same

Super-Saiyajin 8y ago

I'm adding this to my repertoire. I have a nice chest (humblebrag).

I once jokingly told a girl I was a vegetarian and she told me "you don't get pecs like those by being a vegetarian!" LOL

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NakedAndBehindYou 8y ago

Do females not realize the immense hypocrasy in their actions? Why do I not deserve the same physical privacy that they do?

It's not actually hypocrisy. Women don't mind being touched by attractive men, just like men don't mind being touched by attractive women.

Forty_Deuce 8y ago

True story here. At the beach some years back with some friends. Totally accidental, my beach bag bumps into my friends ass. She has a fit on how I don't respect her. Ten minutes later, another friend in the group smacks her ass, and she gives a playful "What are you doing?" The lesbian in the group calls her out on the hypocrisy, and of course the girl rationalizes how the two situations are different.

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my_redpill_account 8y ago

Remember if they're foreigners they're from a different culture. I've learned that sometimes they're more physical than us over here, as we are super uppity on our personal space. That's my theory anyway. But you're right you'd be crucified or some white knight will come running.

the_red_scimitar 8y ago

Also, tourists often take liberties abroad that they never would at home.

The_BeardedGentleman 8y ago

Sounds like a broad took liberties on op

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the_red_scimitar 8y ago

They absolutely know the hypocrisy. Look, their actions are entirely centered around the feminine dualistic sexual strategy - perhaps the most hypocritical but common activity of human kind. Much evolutionary biology theory states that women are wired for this strategy. And thus, even the most rational and self-aware of them, find themselves doing things that their "rational self" would never do. And thus the hamster, which has the purpose of justifying to the woman, her own actions that are at odds with her beliefs about herself (and others).

The tl;dr: Women are literally wired for hypocrisy.

kalstate 8y ago

OK, this I can deal with--worldview shaken but not shattered. Thank you for your wisdom.

the_red_scimitar 8y ago

Keep on with RP. If your worldview doesn't shatter, you were already alpha, or you have more road to travel.

kalstate 8y ago

I've had my 'A' moments here and there (much of it by accident). For better or worse, I still have much more road to travel, but then again, I love to travel. After much confusion and anger, I am starting to enjoy this unexpected journey...through the library stacks of RP knowledge and to the gym.

the_red_scimitar 8y ago

Glad to hear you're exiting or have exited the anger phase. It really does just get more and more positive after that.

manslutalt 8y ago

Am I approaching this situation the wrong way? Instead of feeling anger, should I feel gratification and validation?

Yes. It happened at a bar, you should just take it as a compliment. It would have been different if they had grabbed your cock or tried to force their tongue down your throat or something.

The rules for men and women are different. I want the rules to be more equal, but only if it means laxer rules for men. Placing stricter rules on women just to even things out would be stupid.

WingyMousey 8y ago

She pinches you somewhere - that's a great invitation to pinch her back (in the TIT) or smack her on the bum. You say they're foreign and given that they're so touchy and probably like you they probably won't complain.

Be like kids in a playground. You play with my bits and I'll reciprocate. As for your girlfriend it'll prob just be bonus unintended dread game.

However, I am kind of assuming these foreign girls are attractive. If not just look at them like they're trash... and water off a duck's back.

PetrolFlavored 8y ago

She pinches you somewhere - that's a great invitation to pinch her back (in the TIT) or smack her on the bum.

In public, a high SMV guy could get away with doing that. I think if your SMV is not that high, and you happen to break frame, you'll become a "creep" real fast.

In private the bar would be much lower though.

Davidkpa 8y ago

Out my way, foreign means either Chinese or Japanese when it comes to this kind of conduct.

strangerdanger100 8y ago

It's only happened to me once, which was in an art museum, The National Gallery in London, even. I was standing there checking out some picture or other, when a group of girls snuck up on me and grabbed my ass, quickly followed by intense giggling as they moved on through the room.

As it happened I was just surprised, so my only thought was "lol wtf", but once I realized what happened I just thought it was funny. It had me chuckling at random points throughout the rest of the day.

As for what goes through their mind... Well, they're women so not much. Truth of it is that most guys they ever did it to would be happy for it to happen since girls are less gropey than guys and guys don't have fertile wombs to protect fom unworthy semen, so my guess is they've always had positive reactions from doing it, at least the cute ones have. So why wouldn't they think it's fine? If I'd spent my whole adult life feeling up any girl I wanted and having her react by flashing me a happy smile or at the worst just letting me do it, I'd probably be groping women left and right without thinking twice about it too.

sciencebased 8y ago

Unrelated to the posts subject matter, but what body percentage fat "looks" like is entirely subjective. My little bro was measured at 4% body fat (via both DEXA scan and underwater weighing) and he doesn't look weird at all. Just look at them chubby cheeks So while it's true there is no easier place to falsify your stats than reddit, I guarantee there are normal looking fellas on here with <5% BF.

ell000 8y ago

Dude, look up 4% body fat. Your brother is definitely way more in shape than most, but I dont think his reading was accurate. Nor do I think the people claiming "4-5%" are accurate, either.

sciencebased 8y ago

Two separate readings, using two different tests both widely considered to be the most accurate forms of fat percentage testing available....Lol, ok man. One thing I should note though is he's only twenty years old. Body fat percentages might be far lower at that age? I hear what you're saying though, and in most cases you may be right. But people store fat differently and it isn't always reflected on the outside in the same manner.

ell000 8y ago

Again, not saying anyone is lying. Kudos to your bro, wish I looked like that.

I guess the thing that stands out to me is how little vascularity there is on him. If there isnt muscle pushing his veinsto the surface, then what is? I admit Im not an expert, but your bro's readings seem a little off. But what do I know, maybe Im just insecure.

TheRealMewt 8y ago

I feel like I probably would've told them to stop raping me with their eyes and finger pokes, or at least to buy me a drink first.

clam61 8y ago

A few times girls have credit carded my ass.

One time a girl did it in plain view of everyone, asked me how I got my ass so plump, and was holding her boyfriends hand (or at least her date's hand) the whole time.

B_uckets 8y ago

This sounds exactly like the current top post in the bodybuilding sub, where Lee Priest says he grabbed a girl's tit because she grabbed his.

MaxManus 8y ago

Could you maybe link that? I can't find it at all.

Super-Saiyajin 8y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmW7ogRxWxM

B_uckets 8y ago

The bodybuilding mods have since deleted it. It's called "Lee Priest-best feminist ever (0:40)", you'll have to find it through Google since it was removed.

Also, all links to reddit here are deleted instantly by automod.

truthfully_red 8y ago

Link? Couldn't find the post but would like to see the thread. Thanks!

B_uckets 8y ago

The bodybuilding mods have since deleted it. It's called "Lee Priest-best feminist ever (0:40)", you'll have to find it through Google since it was removed.

truthfully_red 8y ago

Found it and I love his tone on the whole thing! Thanks for this.

Davidkpa 8y ago

Due I'm an ogre at 5'9". I've 30 (nearly 31) and I've been lifting since I was 15. I've had down times where I haven't lifted as much but I've consistently gotten stronger every year. I went from 256 to 201 in seven months. So I'm narrower at the waist but still wide as heck through the shoulders (I decline bench 530 [lost five pounds last week with an aching elbow], incline bench 395, do a slight incline bench at 425 [I lift on a rack because no one will spot me correctly so all my benching tends to be reverse style unless I go super high on reps for 40 and 100 rep sets]). I curl 80lb bells for ten sets of ten twice a week (I backed of 100lb bells when I started getting back pain, and instead to circuits after my ten sets of ten).

I also have a shaved head. Women will walk up to me and touch me without me even having looked at them. They'll rub my head, hug on, me standing cuddle me at bars, parties, and clubs. I've been dealing with this since I was seventeen. I'm not particularly good looking either, just big typically.

Had one girl sit in my lap not too long ago at a Dub Step party, and decided to pop wood, fun thing was the fiancee and I with our third had been playing around cock pumps on me so I was all ready to fill up large. Poor girl turned and looked at me when she realized I was getting hard and had a horrified look on her face. I smile real big with my teeth bared and started rubbing her back and thighs and she locked up. I whispered in her ear asking her if she wanted to get fucked like a whore and she slowly got off me and slithered away to female friends.

Fun thing was she kept looking at me during the whole night and would get within four or five feet of me to which I would then move off to another group of women. She followed me at least seven times. But I was used up for the day anyways and she was not extraordinary in any way.

Hit the weights harder, get bigger, and watch women grope you more and more. It means they like you and are giving you a window to make a move if you are smart about it.

Look up German Volume, forty rep sets, and 100 rep sets to bulk yourself up some and get those pretty toned muscles women love.

miby 8y ago

Am I approaching this situation the wrong way? Instead of feeling anger, should I feel gratification and validation?

No! You are not! Some women have the mind set of

I'm hot! I have a pussy! Men want hot! And they want pussy! So I will do what ever I want because I can get any man I want!

I had to deal with one of these women at a party before. She was very inappropriate towards my boyfriend and my brothers! She was flaunting her body because she was single. She wasn't ugly. But being hot and single doesn't give you the right to act inappropriately.

edit: grammer and spelling.

letsgetrandy 8y ago

Just because feminism is a Thing™ now, it doesn't necessarily mean that all women are feminists. (Thank $deity!)

If a girl comes up and touches my chest, I just tell her "great, now I get to touch yours" and I don't wait for her permission, I just do it.

At this point, you have control of the frame. You can either turn it into an opportunity to flirt, or else you can play it off as "see? not so fun when someone does it to you, eh?" Your choice.

Chinkibus 8y ago

Yup i do the same thing "you touch my boobs i touch your boobs "

Vay93 8y ago

What mindset must you have to think squeezing a complete stranger's chest is OK? If genders were reveresed, I'd be crucified or beaten up. Do females not realize the immense hypocrasy in their actions? Why do I not deserve the same physical privacy that they do? The entire scenario was so unbelievable to me.

Funny thing is a girl did this to me once (absolute stranger and we were both tipsy) so I squeezed her tits and she instantly goes on the defensive and starts thinking I'm going to rape her. She was literally groping me and then I do one squeeze and the tables are completely turned. Funny world we live in.

DreamBoatGuy25 8y ago

Do females not realize the immense hypocrasy in their actions?

Lol, are seriously asking this question?

Am I approaching this situation the wrong way? Instead of feeling anger, should I feel gratification and validation?

Feelings are relative, there's no right or wrong way to feel. You feel how you feel and that's it. If you want to feel differently that's another matter but don't take your cues about how you "should" feel from society. They have their feelings and you have yours. Guess who's actually matter to you?

Yeah, you could've taken it as validating, but you're under no obligation to do so. So feel however you want about it. Don't overthink it.

TekkomanKingz 8y ago

Small towns you will have it worse. Big city this is less of a problem because more juiced guys than you walking around all the time.

Hughtub 8y ago

Very true. If you want attention as a decent looking, fit person, go to a small town cultural event.

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TekkomanKingz 8y ago

This is why I prefer the suburbs of any city in general. The Women are more compliant and cooperative because their options are limited.

When you give a Woman unlimited options she will never choose anything.

prodigyx 8y ago

This is a humblebrag circlejerk if I've ever seen one.

ell000 8y ago

If that were true, wouldnt I have included some kind of, i dunno, brag?

No mention of income, very conservative in my body fat estimate (again, 15 is nothing special), no witty come back or "close" of any kind. I admitted that I handled it pretty lamely.

Just trying to incite discussion.

Jooceyjooce 8y ago

That's because it's bullshit. No one is grabbing at his 5'10" inch 165 pound frame. OP wishes this is what happened. He is DYEL.

ell000 8y ago

I agree that I'm nothing out of the ordinary. Being at a bar probably helped.

If I wanted to brag or bullshit, the story would have been much more elaborate, like a lot of other stories on TRP

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ell000 8y ago

I guess my point is, Im not sure how I gained anything from posting. Other than karma, which I really dont care about (been here for like 3 years and have submitted mostly text posts that get like 20 upvotes).

Movonnow 8y ago

"Hands off! This shit ain't free", grin

throwaway-aa2 8y ago

Do females not realize the immense hypocrasy in their actions?

It doesn't even cross their mind

mrmeyhemn 8y ago

"Do females not realize the immense hypocrasy in their actions?"

No.

the_red_scimitar 8y ago

I disagree. They are totally aware of it. If they weren't at all aware, and just acted as automatons, they'd never need their hamster. The hamster is how they reconcile what they find themselves doing, with what they want to believe (about self and others). They experience cognitive dissonance about the dualistic sexual strategy, but hamstering gives them a mental trick for accepting it.

I've had more than one plate literally flat out express to me, in very clear words, that they have the classic dualistic sexual strategy (AF/BB, hypergamy). They just laid it out, and then bragged how they use it to get stuff they want from guys.

Don't EVER believe the "we don't know what we're doing" thing. THAT is exactly how they get away with the bullshit they need to be called out on - because they KNOW when they are fucking with you, they KNOW when they are using a beta, and they most definitely KNOW they want to fuck the most alpha man they can acquire, regardless of any other attachments.

There is nothing "unconscious" about the behavior.

mrmeyhemn 8y ago

i guess i confused "realize" with "care about". you are 100% with this, they know, they just don't care.

the_red_scimitar 8y ago

Yeah, it's one of the other stunning hypocrisies of modern feminism - that they want to be "empowered", but without the responsibility. They want their own agency recognized only when it is 100% beneficial to them, but they immediately assign that agency to men whenever owning their own agency would shame them, shine a light on their actual motives and activities, or cause any sort of loss of reputation, or result in anything they just don't like.

It's as trivial a thing as the old story about the woman who will consider a guy she finds unattractive a "creep" for talking even innocently with her, but will amplify the same approach flirtatiously when the man is attractive. It's the GUY'S "fault" he's a creep - not her dualistic sexual strategy.

Frankly, this kind of modern feminism is so stupid and hypocritical, and so absolutely damaging to any hope of equal treatment or anything else that feminism espouses as positive goals, that it takes an amazing feat of acceptance of cognitive dissonance, right up there with climate-science deniers.

TheLife_ 8y ago

"Never ascribe to malice what can be more easily explained by stupidity." - Haram's Razer (may need correction on the source for this one.)

Women are just as plugged in as men, but unlike us, they receive no benefit to waking up. If they don't wake up, they don't have to put in any effort. Its not that they don't care, they just have it so easy there's hardly any cognitive dissonance to try and resolve.

Think about it in terms of Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy to children. I remember looking up a chimney once and thinking "How can a big fat guy get down that?" Instead of looking for an answer to the question, presents arrived under the tree the next morning and my parentals insisted it was the man. I never even questioned the tooth fairy. Free money for what my body was throwing away?

Their dualistic mating strategy is their Tooth Fairy. Why would they question hot guy dick and rich guy money being thrown at them?

kalstate 8y ago

I am genuinely afraid you may be right. This has serious implications for my worldview.

the_red_scimitar 8y ago

The first time one of these women laid it all out for me, I was already TRP-aware, and I was utterly speechless. To hear it just spewed like "yeah, of course", is absolutely shocking. Yet, don't EVER mention hypergamy or dualistic sexual strategy to a woman, even one who has literally told you she does that (as these two had). You'll get the full feminist treatment if YOU (a heterosexual male) say it.

As for implications for your worldview, that kind of adjustment is exactly what RP should do.

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Steven Pinker actually talks about something akin to this in his book about human nature.

It goes something like our left hemisphere of the brain has a literal interpretation and the right hemisphere has a rationalized interpretation. Like you turn off the right side and they flash something the words "Eat fruit" then you would eat fruit because you were prompted to eat and you want to eat it. If you turn on the right side then you suddenly want to eat because you are hungry. You rationalized the action rather then just doing it.

It was kind of weird for me to summarize, and I probably got some things mixed up, maybe haha.

But I bring this up because this is why I think people and women rationalize their actions. One side of her brain is saying "Yea, just fuck this dude. You want to fuck him. He has the right genes and body type for sexual relations." However, the the other side of the brain says "You should fuck him because you are feeling lonely. Your boyfriend is not making you feel good. In fact, you should have sex with him because your relationship isn't going well anyway."

Someone correct me if you understand this stuff better.

whatyearisthisagain 8y ago

This is essentially true for all humans. The cognitive level is above primal levels.

Libet found in 1985 that decisions to act are made before becoming aware of them. It's one of those groundbreaking aspects of science that are often swept under the rug because of how huge an impact it has.

In a sense, you are a spectator in a meat-machine. You are solely the consciousness observing a human body living. You are not making decisions. You are seeing the meat machine acting, since parts of your brain you are not in control (like you are not in control of your spleen, heart, etc) is making the decisions to act.

You, the consciousness, is subsequently taking ownership of those actions, despite not being its author. You are just not aware of this, even if you tried, the same way you are not aware that you aren't seeing something five feet away with your eyes. Light is reflecting off of that object, traveling towards your retina, which the visual cortex in your brain interprets and then tells you what you saw.

Other animals function without consciousness because it is not necessary. Even for humans. Think of the animals that range just on the border of being intelligent enough to be consciousness, but then for the most part isn't. Women fall closer to that threshold than men, purely due to the lack of evolutionary advantage for them. A water buffalo does not need consciousness, nor does a woman.

smokingmonkey420 8y ago

That's fascinating. Where did you learn that?

CleverNeologism 8y ago

I highly recommend Daniel Dennet's Consciousness Explained (as audacious a book title as ever... I actually bought just out of sheer curiosity of what kind of person had that kind of chutzpah. It does not disappoint).

It explains and explores all sorts of neat stuff like this, and tries to untangle some philosophical knots in an approachable way.

benzamtrp 8y ago

The absence of free will is quite the hot topic in neurobiology right now. Maybe start with Sam harris's book "free will"

whatyearisthisagain 8y ago

I have a Masters in Computer Science which is very HCI concerned, and have had a couple of courses in multimodel cognition, visual perception and general neurological science. Obviously that's just given me a surface understanding, but I've further read a lot about it since I find it quite interesting.

Interesting related video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjCt-L0Ph5o He also holds that the consciousness can "veto", which makes sense. For some reason that was left out of the material I was given in uni. Generally we were also taught many different theories about consciousness that are opposing, as consciousness is pretty damn hard to define and quantify.

PeteMullersKeyboard 8y ago

Lol. Have to admit I laughed a bit when I read that.

Like, dude, no. They don't. Just look at all the shit they do.

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lostmatt 8y ago

First off, boo fucking hoo. Whining about getting touched by women? Pffft.

Let it boost your confidence a little and feel some extra validation -- just don't let it overinflate your ego.

Anger? Sure I understand you being angry at the hypocrisy of it all.

"OK, my turn now" -- inappropriate response. Your response should be something like "Sorry ladies, I'd check out your pecks too but but I'm taken". Basically, something like blah blah blah but you're taken. Why? Because it earns respect but still instills dread on your partner, implying that you would if you could. It makes you seem valuable because you are upholding the "rules".

If you just straight up squeezed them back and your girl witnessed that -- you just cheated, lost all of her respect, etc etc. It sends the wrong message.

watersign 8y ago

must be nice to be 5'10 lol

prodigy2throw 8y ago

Last two times I went clubbing I've had girls just grab my ass. I'm not even close to ripped yet (155lb) but I'm well defined. Its weird when it happens but just get used to it and escalate.

Girls will brush up against you and touch you more. Its fucking weird as hell especially if you've spent most of your life as an incel beta loser. I was leaving a bar and a girl just grabbed my bicep and felt it up. When I looked at her and asked what she was doing she just looked at me confused and walked away. Sober me would have escalated but whatever.

antariusz 8y ago

She looked at you, because she suddenly realized that you weren't "genetically blessed" to have a good body your entire life. Someone that has been getting hit on and rubbed by women for their entire life would never have to ask... He would "just get it".

1xchromosome 8y ago

Motherfuck.

Gotta love evolutionary psychology.

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Raiden2 8y ago

Happened to me once when I was working in the ER. It was free flu shot time and the HB-6 pharmacist was doing shots for people. I wear scrubs to work every day so my bulk is pretty well covered up. She had me roll up my sleeve for the shot and did a bit of a double-take. Almost felt the humidity in the room increase.

She squeezed my shoulder and said something about my "massive" deltoid and rubbed it after giving the shot. Never looked at me the same again and was always excited when I needed to ask her about what meds to give a patient.

In retrospect I should have said "my turn" and started mauling her tits but I have a feeling HR would have frowned upon it.

Edit: I'm married so you guys don't have to bother with the "How could you not fuck her right there" comments. This ain't my first rodeo.

MattyAnon Admin 8y ago

In retrospect I should have said "my turn" and started mauling her tits but I have a feeling HR would have frowned upon it.

That's different.... women are allowed to do what they want, men are not. Because Patriarchy.

Raiden2 8y ago

Yup. The point I was making was that her advances were pretty much the female equivalent of me grabbing her tits and slapping her ass.

antariusz 8y ago

No... You say "my turn"... Start rubbing her shoulder and say, with a shit eating grin "nice deltoid"...

She'll probably physically escalate by rubbing a different part of your arm... You do the same, which will naturally get a little side boob. She starts rubbing your chest.... You go in for a kiss...

Jesus, it almost writes itself. If a girl is rubbing you... Let your own hind brain take over for a minute. Alpha the fuck up and realize this is how women have "initiated" sex for thousands of years... It doesn't get any better than that. (Ok sometimes you'll get a verbal come fuck me, but that's rare as fuck and this is only one step away).

Raiden2 8y ago

"Alpha the fuck up" has its place as I'm sure you're aware. Better environment absolutely good escalation and a great direction to go in with that situation.

In front of a long line of jealous and mostly unattractive nurses in a busy ER not a wise career move.

Not trying to get laid at work anyways considering I have a wife who will fuck me at a moment's notice at home. Thanks TRP.

antariusz 8y ago

You're 100% correct, I assumed you were off in private in an examination room and in a position to escalate. And as far as your marriage goes, sorry about your loss.

Hell, she probably decided to start the physical escalation BECAUSE she saw the wedding ring.

makethemsayayy 8y ago

(small brain thinks) hey another woman likes this?....then, i like this....TOUCH IT!

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Postboned 8y ago

Am I approaching this situation the wrong way?

Yeah.

You tell them to stop if you don't want to be touched.

It's not that hard.

FerrusMan 8y ago

Remember that as a general rule, men love it when women touch them. Especially plugged in blue pill men, who are desperate for ANY female attention.

Greek god status, maybe not but something is there to attract them so be happy with that.

someguysomewhere321 8y ago

I had a woman grab my hair in the club last week as I wasn't giving her any attention and it made me go wtf as well.

If I did that to her I'd probably be escorted out in a heavy handed manner quickly if a bouncer saw that.

Double standards in action.

Girls can't do no wrong.

colucci 8y ago

We speak so much about how feminism disregards differences between sexes, yet we often find FRs like this where people say "If genders were reversed, I'd be fucked".

Essentially, each sex can do different things without shocking others. Of course you can't grope a girl without any consequences whereas women can do it to you. That's just how it is currently. And I can tell you that this is one of the areas where feminism won't touch upon. Whereas groping a woman will become increasingly taboo, no one will do anything about groping guys.

Also, you're in a LTR. I'm not the most honest guy ever, but saying "ok my turn now" and groping a group of girls while your gf is in the bathroom is incredibly stupid and shortsighted. If you're going to cheat, do it discreetly.

Truth is, the girls that came up to you and started groping you were just fucking with you. If you had made any advances on them, they would have just giggled and walked away. I see no possible scenario in this universe where you would have been able to get laid.

blacwidonsfw 8y ago

I definitely think he could have got laid. Even a 3some would have been plausible (foreign girls have no accountability so this "won't count") , and they both were attracted to you.

redpillcynic 8y ago

He didn't need to say anything. Smirk, grab her hand touch her back, make it a game

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gideonrakthor 8y ago

This triggered me so I have to comment:

I'm nearly the exact same size as you are, and can share similar stories. However, I think the fact that they might have seen you with your girlfriend helped quite a bit. All girls know in thier heart of hearts how hot they are in relation to another, and your GF must have been attractive enough for them to think, "He cannot be a weirdo if he has a girl like that, he must be chill/interesting/etc". And proceed to vigorously molest you as a pack.

Thethrowawayoption 8y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPOe2ypB5Qc

MattyAnon Admin 8y ago

Do females not realize the immense hypocrasy in their actions?

Of course they don't. "Sexism" is something men do to women. Therefore they are never sexist and always right. They are indipindint and impowered wimmin.

40_SixandTwo 8y ago

I've had this happen before, I was at a local punk show. I was up toward the front and while one of bands were on their set, two chicks behind me ran up and each took a handful of my ass.

I turned around and saw them scramble off giggling. It's not that it's a big deal, but it gets you thinking if the gender roles were reversed there would be hell to pay.

I think in your situation and the other ones I'm reading here, it's just women's herd mentality. Women want men other women want, so imo, when the one chick started touching you it just got her friends to join in.

Melon_Balls 8y ago

Never mind societal conditioning for a moment - it's true that they feel more entitled to your body because they've never really been held accountable for their actions, because they've grown up on a "don't be harmed" paradigm that was devoid the lessons your "do no harm" paradigm taught you, but ignore it for second.
It's not that it isn't relevant, it is, but even if you took it all away women will always consider an intrusion on their bodies, on their sexualities, as the greater threat. Women's sexualities are valuable to them, they're power. Not only are eggs expensive and seed cheap, but a woman knows her pussy pulls strings that few dicks ever will. If you bypass that then of course she'll be upset - that's physicality that you didn't earn! A huge loss of potential. In a woman's mind (at least in the moments before an AF turns the tables on her) if she's having sex, she's having it content in knowing she got a respectable exchange rate.

MattyAnon Admin 8y ago

because they've grown up on a "don't be harmed" paradigm that was devoid the lessons your "do no harm" paradigm taught you, but ignore it for second.

This is so deeply ingrained that twice now I have had women hit me and then threaten to call the police. That's some fucked up shit right there.

It's not that it isn't relevant, it is, but even if you took it all away women will always consider an intrusion on their bodies, on their sexualities, as the greater threat.

They want equality, they got equality. Hands off the goods lady or it's harassment. Unless they're cute :D

balalasaurus 8y ago

The bigger you get, the more it happens. Some will say it's validation and you should feel gratitude but I don't see it like that.

It's an invasion of privacy plain and simple. Unfortunately, your reaction to it can never be plain and simple.

Get aggressive and you'd be branded a rapist. Come off meek and your sexuality might be questioned.

Next time it happens without you wanting it to, hold eye contact, make your frame imposing and simply say "No touching".

Also as they say in the swoleacceptance sub, do a set of deadlifts in Brodin's name.

FerrusMan 8y ago

Come off meek and your sexuality might be questioned.

They get pissed off sometimes too. If you "come off meek" they smell beta and they either get mad at themselves for being fooled or mad at you for fooling them.

ThumpNuts 8y ago

If genders were reveresed, I'd be crucified or beaten up.

You're thinking like a woman.

Genders aren't reversed. Why even think like this? That's some bullshit logical fallacy that women come up with.

Men and women are very different, and that is a good thing. If women are coming up to you and touching you, enjoy the attention. If you don't want to be touched, be polite and say so. No need to "hamster" about it.

The only thing you have to worry about is your GF getting jealous. Hold your frame because that is HER problem - not yours.

Frietjeman 8y ago

Thank you. I'm getting sick of this 'if genders were reversed' trend.

In this case, OP's post thankfully offers more than just that idea. Still though.

Out of all subs, we should be the ones to embrace gender 'inequality' for what it is, and be happy men and women are different. Yeah women get away with a lot of shit. Too bad, deal with it, that's why we're here in the first place. To deal with shit, not to complain about it.

marlybarrow 8y ago

Do females not realize the immense hypocrasy in their actions?

You said these women were foreign. Maybe the rules regarding flirting between the sexes is different from those in your country.

PeteMullersKeyboard 8y ago

Once the tingles start, all behavior is acceptable, in their minds.

Next time, grab her hand (lightly, not trying to hurt it) and remove it, look her in the eyes, and ask her the same question. Stand up too if you're sitting. Most of the time should result in some more giggling, faux outrage, and them leaving because at that point they don't really have much else to say.

The behavior some women exhibit when out at the bar is just insane. I can't honestly understand how an adult human being can do some of the things I've seen. And I'm not talking about after 5 drinks, I'm talking about the first one.

im_a_fuckin_boss 8y ago

lol don't get butthurt from it. if they grab your chest/ass just grab theirs and put on a grin. it's a compliment man

MattyAnon Admin 8y ago

what isn't a compliment is if they aren't hot.... or if they think they've got a right to manhandle you.

ThumpNuts 8y ago

It is a compliment regardless if they are hot or not. The compliment has no value if they are ugly, and will have at least some value if they are hot.

He wasn't "manhandled," from what I read. I would expect to see the term "manhandled" from a bunch of hamstering women...

...but let's ask OP.

"OP? WERE YOU MANHANDLED?"

im_a_fuckin_boss 8y ago

yeah of course if it's a hambeast i'm gonna tell em to gtfo

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holytrpbatman 8y ago

They think they can get away with it. So they do it. AWALT

clint_bronson 8y ago

I'm not really sure what's the point here? You didn't like getting poked? Were they that ugly? Would you have reacted different if you were single or your girlfriend wasn't there?

Because it seems to me like you missed an opurtunity for an orgy, and with girlfriend or not i just think you handled this situation horribly.

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Dr_HoaxArthurWilmoth 8y ago

OP is not thirsty. He was surprised at what happened, and discovered that his SMV has increased.

Seriously man? An orgy? From getting groped? I think you have been reading too many Red Pill Fantasy Posts starring Chad Thundercock.

These are the types of posts you see when "normies" submit real posts in TRP when they begin to significantly improve in life.

clint_bronson 8y ago

Orgy as in he could've cashed in, stop reading too much into what people say in the internet.

I'm happy for OP, but he sounded to me like the girl who cried harassment walking through the ghetto.

ThumpNuts 8y ago

LOL. You're 100% right.

Some people are only "half unplugged." They still have residual feminine thinking. They are realizing their own potential and value but they begin to apply this realization as a woman would. [e.g. They have no right to touch me, I'm hot! I'm insulted.] They don't realize they sound like women... even when they are "hamstering" just like one.

A "red pill" reaction [i.e. my reaction] would be to look these ugly girls in the eyes [of course they were ugly] and say, with a chuckle "Hands off ladies. I may look good - like a juicy steak - but I'm not a piece of meat."

Then when the GF shows up with the look of dread in her eyes he says, "Ladies, this is my girlfriend. Nice meeting you." And then give the GF a big wet kiss and smack her ass.

If the GF is still dreading the encounter, laugh it off and tell her you have "fans" and sometimes they can't keep their hands off of you. After she rolls her eyes you can both laugh about it... but she'll always be aware that you are a wanted man...

...but that's just my opinion.

I've had similar encounters to OP and I still joke about having "fans" to my wife. She rolls her eyes, but I'll tell you this -- I always notice she gets affectionate with me in public when she sees other women checking me out.

Dr_HoaxArthurWilmoth 8y ago

That is more realistic, and actual advice compared to the 14 year old who though this was a missed opportunity for an instant orgy.

ThumpNuts 8y ago

I totally took that "orgy" comment as facetious. I thought it was a purposeful exaggeration to make a point and ridicule... but I might be giving too much benefit of the doubt.

The point is OP is reacting like most of the women who cry "sexual harassment." What's worse is all the comments supporting his borderline hamstering.

This illustrates the weakness of most of the commenters here who THINK they have ingested the "Red Pill," but actually have it lodged in their esophagus, choking them. A little bit of success [working out and looking good] and they start reacting like entitled women. If they actually swallowed the pill completely, and digested it, they would know how to take a compliment like a man.

Dr_HoaxArthurWilmoth 8y ago

I agree with most of what you have said. I do have to point out that many come here looking for answers and try to take the red pill. Many don't know how to be men.

I took OP's reaction as surprise to increased SMV. OP at least swallowed the red pill and is working out, going to bars and passing shit tests.

I took his supposed hamstering as ignorance, and at least he posted a realistic field report. Let's not eat our own all the time.

ThumpNuts 8y ago

I actually agree with you too. I'm being a little harsh on OP, but I really mean to get harsh with a lot of the commenters. My frustration is really with them even if OP is the catalyst.

I agree, OP's hamstering is ignorance - specifically that men and women ARE different and that is a good thing. That is our advantage... even if they do get some perks.