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Most guys expect to lose half or more of their assets in divorce after legal costs. Most don't seem to know that child custody battles cost everything you and your family and anyone you can can borrow from can muster together.

Blackdragon advises signing a parenting plan (PP) along with a prenup. Excellent ideas. Parenting plans for those not familiar are court orders that direct who gets to spend time with the kids and when. It lays out all the rules for the parents and is theoretically legally enforceable. Unlike real estate agreements where you tick various boxes to make a tried and true and rigorous contract, PPs are all custom made often by less than talented attorneys. So when a failure of the PP is discovered or abused by another parent, everything goes to hell.

If you don't sign a PP prior to having kids then you'll be required to sign one on divorce. Creating a parenting plan is extremely expensive and fraught with emotions, all made worse by the stress of divorce.

If your ex decides to ignore or obstruct a part of the plan, it is extremely difficult to enforce. You may charge your ex with contempt but the family law system is made for women by women and is very reluctant to chastise a mother while very quick to chastise a father. I've gotten in more trouble for trying to enforce flagrant abuses of my PP than my ex has had consequences for abusing our PP. Every step is designed to fleece you of cash, lots of cash.

Blackdragon's pre-agreed PP is a great idea but not bullet proof. If your ex decides she doesn't like the plan or wants to relocate, you automatically go to "modification." Modification is the legal name for custody battle. Your ex can start one anytime she wants, not just during divorce. Now the costs go astronomical. You are likely to be ordered to pay her legal costs, your own legal costs, expert costs, mediation costs, on and on... The total cost is essentially everything you have because the process doesn't effectively stop until one or both parties are bankrupt and forced to back down and settle.

You could walk away from your kids and save a lot of money. But what decent guy wants to sacrifice his kids?

Bottom line is that the legal system is designed to bankrupt you. Be super careful who you have kids with. Custody battles only go to court and crazy costs when one party is crazy. Sign the PP before you cum. If it all breaks down go out of your way to keep it friendly and cordial. Don't get sucked into the legal hell that is a custody battle if you can work it out. Don't be afraid to make lots of compromises. Better to give her the house to enjoy in peace than give it to your attorney along with your cars and baseball cards.

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ecosci 7y ago

Being married to a woman means you have access to her vagina without having access to it so why bother dont get married give women what they want and let them destroy themselves 1 day at a time.

goldnhorde 7y ago

The weird part of this is that it is a lot of “Stranger than fiction” stuff happens in divorce and custody hearings. The one thing that hits me again and again is the fact that most, IF NOT ALL, women if you asked them outside of the situation, would say “I would never do that” or “I don’t need their money, why would I do that” or any other number of comments reflecting that they simply would never ask for penny one in a divorce or custody hearing. And while a lot of this is just “big talk” from women who are putting up the strong independent woman virtue signaling party line. And I can’t imagine a better plan than setting up a prenump and parenting plan, but too many times, even after going out of their way, I see a court say “well, I just don’t care what you all agreed to in writing …. We’ll just make this up as I decide it is going to go”. I personally am not MGTOW, but …. Can you blame them? MGTOW “absurd behavior is clearly justified by the absurd actions of women and courts. I have even read some of my own advice, which was given genuinely and honestly, and then shook my head asking “wow … I did that … I did do that … how little trust I have in my society … the women it has produced …. And the systems that relate to marriage and family”. Can I blame a guy who has done the math and would rather fly to Eastern Europe with a better cost benefit plan to have sex with hookers over “the dating game”? or playing the game in any manner. Let’s face it. There are some ridiculous people on this forum, with their “game”.

abstractplebbit 7y ago

Okay I was high when I wrote some of that inflammatory shit but the truth is that too many of you guys see this as a false dichotomy.

As a red pilled man I have come to terms with the fact that marriage is a really bad idea. I never denied this.

I believe it's possible to exploit the male-female dynamics in a way that we can extract enjoyment from it (by internalizing TRP principles) without falling victim to it.

I think turning our backs to the whole thing entirely is unnecessary and a sign of weakness because it says that you can't handle yourself enough to avoid being the victim.

It is categorically false that the only options one has are to either fuck prostitutes or get married. obviously there is another option here for us to spin plates and fuck bitches on your own terms without having to pay for it. If you're paying for a woman to fuck you you're doing something wrong

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no_face 7y ago

MGTOW makes a lot of sense when I read posts like these

grewapair 7y ago

First off, a lot of contributors to this sub make their living off giving men dating advice. They are naturally hostile to MGTOW as it hurts their income when guys stop believing that if they just did XY and Z, they'd be swimming in pussy.

I'm 55 and had many girlfriends, the longest one for 7 years, others for multiple years, some for only a few weeks.

Looking back, it was all a waste of time. I got very little out of what I put into it. If you're very good looking, your experience would be the opposite of mine, you'd put almost nothing in and get way more out, but I'm not that great looking.

MGTOW posits that the effort isn't worth it, and that was my experience. I finally put women on the back burner and started a business with all that time. Now I make between $750K and 1.1M. Worth it? You bet.

Now, if I have a kid with a woman, it will cost me millions of dollars over 18 years. If the chance of getting the girl pregnant is 1 in 1000, and child support will cost me $2M, it's still $2M/1000 = $2,000 per fuck. It costs me another $3000 in time to listen to their shit, and entertain them. So each fuck costs me $5,000. I can't pull women worth that.

TryDoingSomethingNew 7y ago

Good comment, thanks for your honest thoughts.

Regarding this:

"MGTOW posits that the effort isn't worth it, and that was my experience. I finally put women on the back burner and started a business with all that time"

I've reached this conclusion fairly confidently, after chasing women and how badly they flake nowadays, how poor their personalities are, and how unreliable they are. I've wasted far too much time that could have been spent on my dream goals, often with nothing to show for it.

I don't want to give up on women totally but perhaps give no longer chase American women until I get my goal of earning money online working so I can move abroad and meet better quality of women.

I regret how much time I wasted on women, but more and more I see how I feel much better to see progress when instead of wasting it on them I take action on my goals, rather than spin my wheels forever like so many men do.

Hoping to acheive my goals...any words of advice for a potential entrepreneur?

no_face 7y ago

Cheaper to fly to eastern europe and pay for it

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abstractplebbit 7y ago

MGTOW are a bunch of weak omega-tier faggots. There is nothing more beta and child-like than running away from reality because you don't like the rules you have to play by.

redpilled men understand this and they play the game and win anyways. women are here for our enjoyment

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0kool74 7y ago

MGTOW are a bunch of weak omega-tier faggots

Hmmmmm........weak, omega-tier faggots. So, in other words what you're saying is that those men who check out of "the game" have no quality whatsoever. Sounds like a lot of projection to me.

Hillary_For_Prison 7y ago

When you say "play the game and win" you're making a hell of an assumption. When you put your neck on the line you just might lose.

MGTOW and TRP are two reactions to the same problems: rampant female privilege, unchecked hypergamy, and a total lack of female responsibility. TRP advocates playing within the current system and tries to explain the risks and how to win the game but still acknowledges it's practically Russian Roulette. MGTOW simply advocates nit playing the game.

I'm not here to disparage either group. I do take issue with members of either group who disparage and condemn the other group. TRP and MGTOW should be natural allies against the common enemy.

abstractplebbit 7y ago

I don't disagree with your assessment of the degeneracy of women's nature - we all regard those observations as true.

Playing the game can manifest as simply spinning plates or fucking chicks, LTRs, etc. And then there is marriage-tier but we all know that shit is no Bueno. As you can see there are different levels of playing the game.

MGTOW deserves to be condemned because it's NOT REDPILL and should stop pretending to be redpill.

There are a lot of impressionable young males and baby alphas who come to TRP for guidance, so the MGTOW crowd threatens to warp the minds of our baby alphas by preaching them counterfeit red pills and giving them a false image of masculinity.

abstractplebbit 7y ago

Sexual strategy is only one of the many dimensions in TRP philosophy.

TRP and MGTOW are not "allies" because their similarities do not excuse their critical differences. Unlike MGTOW, TRP does not view women as an enemy.

We understand women and see their nature for what it is. We understand that it's actually difficult to blame them for their inferiority because their biology made them that way. They have value for us to exploit and enjoy, and they definitely have proper roles that would be best fulfilled by them.

On the other hand MGTOW falsely believes that women are their enemies. maybe it's a coping mechanism for their involuntary celibacy.

Our common enemy is actually rooted in the blue pill mythology. The blue pill mythology is the root of all evil from which other cancerous things flow (feminists, betas, SJWS)

So the difference between us is that we see the truth, and rise to the challenge. MGTOW goes full blue pill and rejects the true reality so that it may be substituted with their own

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yomo86 7y ago

A lot of babbling going on. Although I am not a MGTOW damning one man's reaction and choice to common problems with modern women as 'enuchs', 'omegas' and the like seems child-like name calling to me. If you don't have the sex drive and are able to abstain from the sexual market place why is it wrong? As far as I heard about MGTOW sleeping occasionally with women does not change the status of perpetual bachelorhood.

abstractplebbit 7y ago

Okay sorry for the babbling but I am actually a little bit high right now. Allow me to elucidate this matter.

Il start by answering your first question.

Having low sex drive is essentially a physiological defect - a marker of imperfect health and as such it should be something we strive to avoid.

I think we should all promote the value of personal health. Baby alphas must take care of their health. Testosterone is our vitality and essence of our masculinity. So low sex drive <=> low test <=> low quality existence

I won't condemn anyone who happens to have low test for one reason or another - it may or may not be your fault - but don't call it a philosophy and suggest that others should want that for themselves. What's the difference between that and promoting fat acceptance?

But I digress... why would you abstain from the SMP? If it's not due to your low sex drive or low test levels, then you must be depriving yourself of worldly pleasures that you are meant to enjoy.

It's taking away from your enjoyment of of life.

Unnecessary deprivation is wasteful of precious opportunity.

Red pill men maximize life enjoyment by exploiting every opportunity possible

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[deleted] 7y ago

You have a very biased view of masculinity and MGTOWs speaking like that.

Like all MGTOWs just got out of the basement and called injustice on the world. That's not true. Many just got out of another meaningless ONS and said themselves that enough is enough.

But let's suppose they didn't, how do you know exactly? can i see a chart or a reasoned argument?

abstractplebbit 7y ago

I think some people who think their in the MGTOW crowd are really just still trapped in the anger phase and it makes them want to give up on sexual strategy entirely. I think we could possibly blame some of the MGTOW people for turning them in that direction because all of us at some point have looked up to the older men posting their experiences at our time of disillusionment.

When that happens we're all pretty impressionable by those who present themselves as role models here so I think it's important for those who have a nice grip on reality to keep that in mind

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I understand what you talk about, infacts i find the self-proclamed herd of mgtows that spur anger on forums etc quite patethic. On the other hand, the description would fit many great men aswell and some life periods for many others. Plus the term is so vague that it means little, many rpers by mgtow large definition are considerable so. What does it matter? On a hypotethical third hand, it's interesting how the loudest voices in the "movement" (which is not, it's a simple definition to me, but maybe already hijacked) obviously put it in a ridicolous spot, a la alex jones.

abstractplebbit 7y ago

No shit it is biased that is the whole point. Your style of argument is like liberals who say "oh your concept of gender is very biased" and "there is more than one interpretation of gender other than the biological definition"

It's self delusion to ignore the singular truth behind it. You can either seek the truth or by assuming there is a multiplicity of valid interpretations you just obfuscate from the truth

ThatHoeOverDere 7y ago

Or you just don't play the system's game in the first place, which is easier than $5000/fuck

abstractplebbit 7y ago

Oh no life is too hard it's better to not even play the game so u might as well kill yourself it's easier that way amirite

ThatHoeOverDere 7y ago

Well if you want to get married and get divorce raped as well as lose your child, go do it. But tell me what the point is to call someone who goes mgtow an Omega fag?

If someone goes mgtow and in those years builds a highly profitable business empire making over $1million, are they really Omega, or are they the winner?

madmike11 7y ago

What if you don't give a fuck about pussy then?

-Anteros- Endorsed Contributor 7y ago

Then you're lying too. We all know about the effects of testosterone.

And don't give me any exception cases like 60+ year old men or eunuchs.

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abstractplebbit 7y ago

Unless you are homosex, you are either lying to yourself or you have a psychological disorder. not giving a fuck about pussy is in direct contradiction with our biological imperative. It is a popular and well-known fact that our primary purpose as animals is to spread our seed and reproduce. In fact all of life behaves this way.

If you don't give a fuck about pussy that is fine but don't even try to pretend that your alpha.

You're admitting defeat You're afraid that you're not good enough "It's not worth the effort bc AWALT hurr" This is classical case of Sour grapes

It is worth the effort because healthy males are literally programmed to seek and enjoy this. You're not living life to to it's fullest but you god damned should be. Instead you're just hamstering like a motherfucker, rationalizing, and ignoring reality. That is what females and betas do, which means that it is categorically blue pill

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theONE843663 7y ago

Bro aren't you assuming a lot of things about the MGTOWers? Cuz I was pretty sure they fucked prostitutes occasionally and not just masturbated all day.

That's why TRP and mgtow are still branches of the same tree. Either way you decide to go about, you're still investing time and money. You might even waste more time and money with the TRP methods than just fucking prostitutes would.

Maintaining a nice haircut does add up.

-Anteros- Endorsed Contributor 7y ago

I believe /u/abstractplebbit is referring to the comment /u/madmike11 made here

Pretending that a healthy young man is not interested in sex is a stupid thing that MGTOW say in order to get to sleep at night and continue to make their shitty anti-masculine decisions. Going to prostitutes is also a loser move that only resolves short term needs at very high expense to long term goals.

Idiot MGTOWs will try and tell you all kinds of bullshit to hide their fear.

abstractplebbit 7y ago

MGTOW is a cancer on our tree here. Like a parasitic entity feeding off of our success but worse.

you can be MGTOW all you want but why dont you guys get your own sub so you don't have to corrupt our community values? we do not want to teach young men what you are teaching

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theONE843663 7y ago

I'm not even MGTOW just playing Devil's advocate here with reason. Figured it'd be fitting for a post like this lol.

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-Anteros- Endorsed Contributor 7y ago

I believe /u/abstractplebbit is referring to the comment /u/madmike11 made earlier.

Idiot MGTOWs will try and tell you all kinds of bullshit to hide their fear.

abstractplebbit 7y ago

Thank you.

this man gets it.

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theONE843663 7y ago

That's interesting I don't know much about the MGTOW guys but Imma play the Devil's advocate here cuz ffs lol.

Okay here goes:

You defining prostitution as a loser move is projection. Sex is a short term thing by its very nature. Long term goals are things like gym numbers, the number in your bank account, your life mission... Etc. Even high class celebs have used them. It's the oldest profession for a reason. Have u ever fucked a prostitute? It's actually fun.

If you take on average, a typical loser beta gets laid maybe by 2-3 different women each year and spends 1000s of $ on them. Then married a post wall hag and then come divorce loses all his shit.

Red pill men have more numbers and less expenses than betas.... But compared to the mgtows, it's still more expensive. Let me explain how: It's agreed that time is money, correct? Well... We know how much effort we put into learning game and self-improvement, our style, going out with chicks all the while risking shit... We think it's free, but it's not.

A MGTOW who fucks one cheap hooker a month ($50-70 CAD) to release his energy spends $600-840 a year max. That's a very cheap price to avoid all the bullshit situations in today's society. That's still better than the beta cuz the whoremongerer is actual getting laid for his money and time.

Then the fear argument: That's the same argument blue pillers use to shame us into not fucking fatties and wifing up crazy sluts with cock ADHD. "You're scared of a strong independent woman!"

Are we scared or just not stupid enough to fall for that bullshit? TRP often advocates enjoy the decline... From the MRA perspective, we are scared of putting in the effort to save society. Fear is a universal shaming tactic because it works.

-Anteros- Endorsed Contributor 7y ago

Imma play the Devil's advocate here cuz ffs lol.

I don't have time to "play". I'll maybe read two sentences and discard the rest based on your childish intro. Strike one.

You defining prostitution as a loser move is projection.

I've never been to a prostitute so it cannot be a projection of what I think of my actions. Strike two.

Sex is a short term thing by its very nature.

Wrong again. "By its very nature" Sex is for reproduction. We've used technology to prevent this via condoms and pills. The context for the short term goal was the interest in sex. Strike three.

I'd like my one minute and fifty two seconds back.

theONE843663 7y ago

Dude you've never fucked a whore? Wtf man why? Are you hardcore Christian or Muslim? Oh btw wrong word I didn't mean to use projection I meant to say that you're biased by your own thinking. By ur logiks, high class men that are more advanced than you who use hookers are losers.

Nah bro sex isn't for reproduction... Reproduction is a consequence of sex. Sex is for pleasure and is short term oxytocin release. But I'm guess u religious. I'm athiest!

Here you can have your 1 min and 50s back! (throws 1min 50s back at you)

abstractplebbit 7y ago

Checking out of the game => too weak to play

Hamster hamster hamster Keep rationalizing why you don't want those sour grapes

theONE843663 7y ago

Fucking hot escorts. Bitches peddling their pussy for cheap why tf not! You're paying by time anyway.

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Ovadox 7y ago

I don't want kids. This makes my life fairly easy. I get to use all my time and resources towards my own ends and I don't have to worry about having my kid brainwashed by a pathological culture in the process of destroying itself.

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sd4c 7y ago

Were there any warning signs? Any red flags you could share with us

madmike11 7y ago

Sorry to hear that but that's what happen when we live in a system that treats us as second class citizen.

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Troll_Name 7y ago

Glad to hear someone is fighting the good fight.

When I worked for a lawyer (before his wife set off a divorce nuke and destroyed every last one of us including clients) There was a family law case which he did just because it was suddenly sprang on one of his clients.

The babymomma very suddenly wanted full custody, because she suddenly needed a new source of income. She was shut the fuck down before the lawyer was career-assassinated. (bitch probably started the fight back up after that)

TryDoingSomethingNew 7y ago

I think you should write about what happened to the lawyer you worked for and the clients, too. I'd love to read it.

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victor_knight 7y ago

Bottom line is that the legal system is designed to bankrupt you

Unlike daddy's little girl whom every man around her (especially her father) will help, I would say it rather tends to bankrupt men more than women. Even in court, women are costing men money because men tend to fight more for women than other women do/can. A doting mangina father in his 70s will happily spend his last $300,000 in savings to pay for his daughter's whimsical divorce legal fees and anything she desires (just to make her ex suffer, even).

TelemachusRising 7y ago

I pay child support to my babymomma, who has remarried a multimillionaire and doesn't work. But since the law says "my income vs. hers regardless of her financial/marital situation"--I pay. Oh yeah and I have my daughter 50% of the time. There is no justice in custody court, and every one of those slimy fuckers, from the judge to the lawyers to the "evaluators" want to prolong the shit and get paid. No one is your ally there.

MattyAnon Admin 7y ago

Be super careful who you have kids with

Sadly we're stuck with women as the only option for now.

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slickdevil1 7y ago

Nope. Surrogates. I mean technically it's still a woman, but they have no right to take your kids or your money.

redzorp 7y ago

but they have no right to take your kids or your money

Actually they do. Research some cases. Rare but it happens.

Surrogates are certainly a safer bet than wifing up any western women but it is still not risk free. Risk reduced perhaps.

dr_warlock 7y ago

Women can be intentional single mothers. Any ugly, uneducated, moronic couple can have kids together, but, a single man has great restrictions in place for the surrogacy route. The law does not want you circumventing their domestic tool of oppression, the female. Without her, they have little say in your household. She's the vehicle they use to publicly justify fucking you over at their leisure.

TryDoingSomethingNew 7y ago

Guess I'll just have to have a dog and cat one day. Unless I move abroad.

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rigbed 7y ago

I love your wording. I've been trying to articulate this for a while. Make this it's own post

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[deleted] 7y ago

But what decent guy wants to sacrifice his kids?

I'm glad you wrote that, there are some....questionable...types on here.

This is honestly the sort of content I enjoy most on RP - peeling back the stinking layers of the female imperative.

Excellent post. Thank you so much.

Returnofthemack3 7y ago

seriously man, i've seen guys in my family get fucking OWNED by child custody. A cousin of mine got taken to the cleaners on that shit. The worst part is you end up paying a lot for almost no visitation rights

sir_wankalot_here 7y ago

A PP will not stand up in court.

Blackdragon advises signing a parenting plan (PP) along with a prenup. Excellent ideas. Parenting plans for those not familiar are court orders that direct who gets to spend time with the kids and when.

The grounds are, the mother can not transfer custody of the child without going through the court. Otherwise she could just sell her kids.

Metalgear222 7y ago

Does this apply to those not married but having kids?

zandd23 7y ago

I've been looking into commitment ceremonies, without getting legally married: http://www.unmarried.org/commitment-ceremonies/faq/

Apparently, even with that, you still have to be concerned about your state's common law marriage laws: http://www.unmarried.org/common-law-marriage-fact-sheet/

Treken420 7y ago

As a man who is going through court with the mother of my child to handle child support payments, I can honestly say the thought of marriage has me SCARED SHITLESS. To me, especially after my own personal experience, coupled with reading countless stories like this, it seems a large percentage of women strive to find a man, not for love, but to secure a weekly check for the next 18 years. What I would give to be young, dumb, and naiive again...but thank goodness I now know the possibilities/risks involved so I'm no longer so quick to plug just any hole.

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Honestly I didn't even know the term Parenting Plan. Thanks for raising awareness OP.

abstractplebbit 7y ago

Glad to hear that. I must have triggered some people though judging by all of these doenvotes

Westernhagen 7y ago

Ultimately, any money you pay comes out of the kids hide. Every dollar you pay a lawyer is a dollar you can't put in their college fund or a dollar that you can't invest so they'll inherit someday. Of course it is futile to hope that an angry woman will see the logic of this.

So the question is - what nuclear threats can you make in order to induce her to back off?

theONE843663 7y ago

They don't give a fuck about their kids in the first place lol. Mothers are extremely overrated. Don't marry in the west. Go to a backwards ass country to do that shit.

Single fathers can raise kids better. Or get a cheap foreign surrogate!

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Either don't have kids or risk losing them anyways. Only way in the femanazi state.

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Nah just walk away and tell your ex if she wants her kid to have a father then she needs to stop interfering with your bond. Pay your CS and go find another girl. You can make more babies with her if you want to now that you know what things are actually like. Under this tyrannical system accepting matriarchy, that only women have kids, is the way to go.

AnalButler 7y ago

This sounds horrible. I have been thinking long that getting kids and replicate our DNA to next generation is our primary function from evolutio(nar?) sight. I am glad that in Europe our legal system is not so fucked up(tell if u have personal experience). Thats not to say women wont use their position to gain something (money, justification to actions or words), my mother included.

YiloMiannopoulos 7y ago

PP.. Prenup.. If you have this little faith in someone do not marry them.

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OrpheusV 7y ago

Prenuptial agreements do not work in respect to child care. Those clauses in an agreement are either absolutely null and void, or (depending on the judge) grounds to void the entire agreement.

Prenuptial agreements only work if they're written fairly and equitably, and pretty much for handling property division only.

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YiloMiannopoulos 7y ago

You vow and sign a contract to be married for life. Prenup and PP doesn't make sense if you believe your vows.

Airbags are a safety feature on a car.

Im not supporting marriage. I'm just arguing the point. Why would you vow forever and plan an exit?

juliusstreicher 7y ago

Sir Paul McCartney can give you a splendid answer. Until you speak with him, I'll give you a Cliff's Notes version.

People change.
When women change, in the context of a marriage, the first thing that they want is a divorce and whatever assets of yours that they feel entitled to. They do not ask you for said assets- they get lawyers and court orders, injunctions, etc...
Women who don't change during a marriage, often never planned to stick around, irrespective of what starry-eyed husband believed/wanted. (Again, read up on Sir Paul.)
70% of all divorces are initiated by women, which shows that your conception of longevity may be antithetical to a woman's/potential litigant's conception.
You don't appear to have read any of the sidebar, so, get to it.

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Westernhagen 7y ago

Prenups are like a car that has airbags and seat belts made out of rice paper. They provide at best a false sense of security.

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CrazedHyperion 7y ago

Maybe so, but I hear it also costs money, you must pay her off, because presumably, she has a father also, so it may degenerate into a family feud. You also must pay dowry for the woman when you marry her, usually, a substantial amount. And, to boot, if this is your second wife, the first wife must also give her agreement for you to take a second wife. It's not that simple. (things I've read).

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CrazedHyperion 7y ago

Yes. People mix these three things - sex -marriage -love . I suppose you can also add money to the mix, if you want to be pedantic. These things very seldom overlap naturally, and for a long time, in real life, so it's no wonder that a marriage requires effort to be held together.