https://pairedlife.com/dating/Dating-10-Things-Men-Dont-Do-Anymore
10 Men don’t ask women on dates anymore
9 Men don’t ask women out in advance anymore
8 Men don’t take charge of dating plans anymore
7 Men don’t show up at your door with a gift/token anymore
6 Men don’t work at impressing anymore
5 Men don’t give meaningful compliments anymore
4 Men don’t ask women to dance anymore
3 Men don’t buy drinks anymore
2 Men don’t make phone calls anymore
1 Men don’t accept rejection anymore
The main reason that all of these things don’t happen anymore is because women, at large, stopped requiring them. We’ve turned men into lazy daters. You could argue that a guy is just not interested when he takes the short cuts, but I don’t think that’s it. Even when he’s genuinely interested, he doesn’t have to call—he can text; he doesn’t have to take a woman on a real date—today’s woman is fine with the meet-up; he doesn’t have to take notice of her brains and compassion—they go unnoticed because of her blossoming cleavage and big behind. I have always declared to be a romantic while making it very clear, however, that I am not a hopeless one, but I really wish we could just go back.
The biggest point she wants is to hark back to a more traditional time in dating where a man put her on a pedestal, kissed her ass with compliments, spent money on her, and auditioned on a date like a trained seal so she could decide if he jumped through enough hoops to fuck him.
First of all, she is writing about the Chads of the world doing this. Remember that the 80%/Beta males are invisible and what they think and do doesn't matter. Chad doesn't do this anymore is because he doesn't have to. Women created this current dating climate and the men in them are now playing by these rules. This article is a direct result of AF/BB and the 80/20 rule in action. The top 20% doesn't have to buy drinks, or bring flowers, or ask in advance for a date or even take you on a proper date. They just as you put it, "meet up" and you let this happen. The top 20% are having women throw themselves at them and then you complain that Chad isn't putting in the effort? Why should he? That list she is complaining about is an example of a man that has abundance mentality. If you want him to bring you flowers and pick you up for a date, there are 5 other girls that he has lined up that won't ask him to do all that. The theme of the nice guy taking her on a "real date" then taking her home so she can be railed by Chad an hour later has been discussed so much that it is now a cliche. I don't care how Blue Pill a guy is, nobody wants to be that guy that spent money on a date so she can bang someone else.
Speaking of spending money, it seems to me that the modern man has more of a cost to benefit ratio mentality. Maybe because of the economy, but guys now actually calculate spending money with their chances of success with a woman. Add that women are earning money too, why should he have to spend his money? I've read here and heard in real life of guys that will ask for separate checks when he sees the meet up (remember it's a meet up, not a date) fizzle out.
You ladies did this to yourselves.
Truth_Himself 7y ago
You dont have to be Chad to know one. And once you hear that other guys are getting much better product at much lower prices, you'd be a fool to keep overpaying no matter where you are in the social hierarchy.
goldnhorde 7y ago
"You ladies did this to yourselves."
That's the part I don't get. Women wanted all this equality. Frankly, I thought things were going great .... then they got high jacked by these feminist from now. gamer gate aka gameprogrammerwhoregate. these protests. just the unreasonableness of it all. then you had all these women trying to be like men. they couldn't, so they try to get men to act like women.
none of that is what equality means. but if you guys are going to shit all over the place and not clean up after yourselves, then men are going to have to be the adult and set the boundaries.
but they did it to themselves. and it is painful to watch a woman think to herself, "now ... why am I not getting my cake and eating it too".
goldnhorde 7y ago
it's called vaginal speculation .... and you never buy the "V" on margin ....
.... just saying.
zboo1h 7y ago
Another article written about men by a woman who knows next to nothing at all about men. Into the trash.
RedEyesBlueShades 7y ago
This.
At the same time, my personal view is that articles like this one are part of the pendulum starting to at least slow down with the feminist narrative bullshit. And, as usual, when it swings back it will again swing too far.
The only thing that is still preventing the full swing back is the female realisation of WHY those 10 things are no more. When they figure it out that encouraging young girls to "explore their sexuality" basically means going out there and fucking Chad for "free", in terms of commitment, and making sex cheap as chips, it will all come crushing down. Cheap sex with no consequence is great for a hot 20yr old, but for the majority of (average) women this means they have to compete for male attention with the former. And the only way they can do this is by fucking us a lot sooner than they would do otherwise. And men might be slow, but men are really starting to get this, and taking advantage of it.
Once women fully comprehend that "you go have fun girl" does nothing more than hurting themselves, that's when you'll see some proper slut shaming like we've never experienced. And men will just sit in the front, enjoying the show.
TheReformist94 7y ago
You're correct but women don't want commitment.they're fine with casual sex.they created the hookup culture remember, not men,so they're fine giving pussy for free
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Hakametal 7y ago
Why do women want to turn the alpha into the beta? Is it like an unconscious shit test? I believe a genuinely feminine woman will simply submit to an alpha and not try to change him. It's the insecure nutjobs that cause drama and try to turn the alpha into a bitch.
RedEyesBlueShades 7y ago
TRP likes to be very dramatic, fatalistic and bleak about the future. We're all doomed to be cucked by women running around rampant chasing Chad. And if we ever dare say anything, the state will come down thundering upon us to keep us pacified. With the threat of child support, jail, or simply by handing us a porn Blu-ray. We're fucked.
Contrary to that, I believe shit comes and goes.
The very first feminists, from like 100yrs ago or something, were probably right in decrying female oppression - When it was not enough for them to keep the house in order, but also had to work the land, much like their men had to. And take care of the children. And cook. And what have you. (Don't take this literally, is an intentional simplification.)
On the other hand, this third wave of feminism is pure bullshit, cancer for society. Now it's not more about equality. The pendulum has swung waaaaay too far in favour of women. And both men AND women are starting to realise it. MRA are a response to feminist bullshit. And women themes are coming to terms with the fact that things are MUCH different from what they believe, what benefits the majority the most. They just can't connect all the dots. Yet. That's why I said the pendulum is slowing down.
It will turn. And it will swing back in the other direction. And it ain't gonna be pretty for women. I would personally not be surprised to see a return to the Patriarchy, even though it may be called
"We need our men to grow up and be strong so they can take of ONE woman. In turn, this selected woman, will take good care and support this man."
Of course, I don't expect this tomorrow, and there will be more (male) casualties along the way. But there's no doubt in my mind it will happen.
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saibot83 7y ago
Fellow swede here. This country is, unfortunately, BEYOND fucked.
skankhunt-yon-juu-ni 7y ago
Nah, just bring in a few hundred thousand migrants and all will be just fine.
Noramia 7y ago
It sounds like you folks in Sweden have late stage metastatic cancer. And I thought the USA was bad.
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My point is that this is not even late stage. They are just getting started. If you ask these idiots how they feel about society, they desribe a fantasy world where they have 0 influence still, eventhough my tax returns and civil liberties prove that they are in power, not people like me. The more I think about it, the more stuff I am reminded of. They are currently trying out chemical castration as a form of punishment for rapists, can you imagine corporeal punishment is being reintroduced into the modern world? Now, I dont give a fuck about a legitimate rapists nuts, fuck him, but with the ammount of false rape accusations and the heavily politicised atmosphere around sexual abuse, its very easy to see how this could get out of hand.
SeemedGood 7y ago
Yeah, WTF happened in Sweden? The country is rife with absolutely gorgeous women (of surprisingly varying types) but so many of the dudes there have already been psychologically castrated. For any real RP guy (or just a masculine guy) it's like shooting fish barrel. I was absolutely stunned at the imbalance.
Was introduced to it while entertaining a client (and my best friend) at The Cham(onix) one early spring long weekend over 10 years ago now. We ran into a couple of Swede ski bums at an apres bar. Both were named (believe it or not) Magnus - Big and Little and were pretty cool. One of the Magni (Little Magnus) had some game. We ended up getting a great table for the band that was rocking out the house later that evening and when the ladies started rolling in EVERY single hottie that came into the bar came over to our table and hung out after paying some respects to Little Magnus, and there were a shite-ton of hotties that walked into that bar that night. Earlier the Magni had suggested that we go to Gotland for a week during the summer, and we were skeptical at the time, but after that night we booked the tix fairly soon after we got back to our respective offices.
On the next quarterly client entertainment visit, we spent a week in Gotland and a couple of nights on either end in Stockholm, and everywhere was that night all over again. If you have any game at all, or or just genuine masculinity the women are practically climbing over each other to get in your face, high quality women. I've never seen anything like it.
Yet they are culturally hyper-busy with advancing psychological (and now it seems actual) castration en masse. What gives?
Yourstruly777 7y ago
You're a foreigner from another tribe. They want your DNA.
SeemedGood 7y ago
There was definitely some of that going on, but they were also all over the very cool and masculine Swedish dudes with whom we ended up running as well - in solid numbers.
VinsTheSpaceDriver 7y ago
The seven is pretty blue pill
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10 Men who get screwed by women don’t ask women on dates anymore
9 Men who get screwed by women don’t ask women out in advance anymore
8 Men who get screwed by women don’t take charge of dating plans anymore
7 Men who get screwed by women don’t show up at your door with a gift/token anymore
6 Men who get screwed by women don’t work at impressing anymore
5 Men who get screwed by women don’t give meaningful compliments anymore
4 Men who get screwed by women don’t ask women to dance anymore
3 Men who get screwed by women don’t buy drinks anymore
2 Men who get screwed by women don’t make phone calls anymore
1 Men who get screwed by women don’t accept rejection anymore
JohnnySkidmarx 7y ago
I think I see a pattern here.
rigbed 7y ago
Or not screwed as the case may be
ambarrasiya 7y ago
Women should make themselves interesting before expecting anything from men.
Beyond FB and Instagram feed with likes and comments from beta orbiters, they have got nothing going...
slay_it_forward 7y ago
Men don't do any of those things because by doing so you're put in the beta box and denied sex.
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
Yeah, men are wising up and getting less beta now that the illusion of 50 years of blissfull marriage has giving way to the reality of a few weeks screwing followed by a few months of her on a bitter revenge spree.
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Honestly I don't know if men ever really did most of that..
Sure, if you watch older movies they do, but those were romcoms.
I don't remember doing that in the 90s.. Pretty sure dad didn't do any of that in the 60s. It was always a myth
antariusz 7y ago
You're reading this article wrong. Use female solipsism to change all the pronouns and nouns.
When she says women, replace that with "me"
When she says your, replace that with "my"
Etc. it's simply a post wall woman complaining about Chad ignoring her. And you should be ignoring her too if you want to be successful with women like Chad.
Conceited-Monkey 7y ago
True story from some years ago, unfortunately. I did a traditional date with a supposedly nice girl I had met in classes. I did flowers at the door, dinner and a movie. I was polite, gracious and even pretty funny, I thought. We went back to her place, and I got a peck on the cheek and then she commando rolled into the door and shut it behind her. Okay, fine, she was not that into me. The next week I run into a guy I knew from class and we compared weekends. I skipped mentioning my date. He mentioned that the same girl had called him that night to come over (after I dropped her off) and was calling him for a repeat. First thing I learned was that it is a really small world. Second thing I learned was that traditional dates are waste of money.
redpill_llipder 7y ago
I like how #6 and #1 are contradictory. Or I suppose in the mind of whatever woman wrote this she was thinking, "creepy guys won't take no for an answer" while simultaneously thinking, "hot guys won't pursue you anymore." I suppose it's no secret though that the difference between romantic and creepy is how attracted she is.
Rabadon123 7y ago
This might be legitimate, but times have changed and expecially for younger people its creepy if you make a date so formal
Because cunts flake and guys know it. A woman's attention as a half life, and each day is another opportunity for a woman to forget. Men are just working with reality.
Plain untrue. I have never heard of a woman that makes any plans ever.
Lots of betas still do this, but for low SMV guys who have to pay for sex, one bill is enough
I mean this is factually untrue, especially when cunts see no problem coming to a date in ragged clothes and no makeup. This cunt just wants men to be their little monkey and for her to have full leverage in the process of sex. Of course, this can also mean that shes been on lots of dates with betas who she was mad didn't take the effort to be 5 inches taller.
Translation: Alphas aren't giving meaningful compliments anymore, I'm tired of hearing of being worshiped daily by betas.
Betas don't dance anyway and alphas don't need to be a little monkey to get her to come to his place.
Translation: An alpha hasn't bought me a drink this week. (nevermind the 100s of betas who offer me daily)
Nobody makes phone calls and you would almost certainly find it weird if they did
Hypergamy has made it so 80% or more of guys face a rejection rate of 80% or more, so of course scarcity is going to drive them to be bitter. Not that its a bad thing when you're redpilled and alpha, but this is just her lack of perspective. Shes probably never been rejected before so can't really speak on this anyway.
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You absolutely nailed it. Especially with the date in advance one. God, it is so hard making plans even like a few days in advance with women, due to how much they flake. That's why I always push for meetings as soon as I can.
Rabadon123 7y ago
I have never had a date planned more than 5 days in advance that stuck, and I know pretty much no men who have experienced anything different.
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Same here man and it's freaking frustrating, no matter how much an abundance mentality you have. You always gotta push for that meet within the week or ideally, the next day or two.
It's classic "strike while the iron is hot." If you wait too long, even if you guys are talking and she seems interested, that interest to meet in person will fizzle.
I have had too many flakes to know this. It's just funny because I could have some event in literally a month and unless something comes up, I will actually commit to it. Many women aren't like this.
Rabadon123 7y ago
Your SMV is highest when you're right in front of her. I was on a date the other night and the girl straight up told me she was blowing off another guy to hang out. Not like it has to be reiterated, but loyalty and honor is a male trait. Every yes is a maybe. You could be an absolute Adonis 11/10, but that 11 slowly fades and can and will be beaten by a decent 8/10 she meets between classes. Getting a date early isn't about game or anything, its just mathematically reducing her opportunities to find someone else to hang with that day.
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Exactly. It's also one of the reasons why I've realized how much of a waste it is, to get a random girl's number you met at a bar or club and try meeting up with her, if you didn't bang her that same night.
I've even had women actually ask to exchange numbers and about every single one that has, didn't eventually end in another meet up, if we didn't bang that night. I think only one girl who gave me a number on a night out, before we went our separate ways, lead to have sex some time in the future.
VasiliyZaitzev 7y ago
Translation: "Women got everything they wanted. And they're STILL not happy."
Dis_mah_mobile_one 7y ago
Perhaps getting everything they want isn't actually what they want. Or need.
Docbear64 7y ago
It's more about the quality of women to me , the more women I date and fuck the more I am learning they really aren't worth much at all . I love sex and yet despite how much I love sex There is a VERY small pool of women I can tolerate for more than a sexual encounter. Many are vapid, many are uninteresting , I have met more than a few who don't have anything exciting to talk about besides workplace drama, small life frustrations, and their favorite form of entertainment ( youtube , TV, Videogames) . In short the modern woman is boring and uninteresting generally.
When did women deserve to be courted, admired, pursued? When meeting the right one was essentially scouting for a life partner, someone to take care of your home, bring pride , nurturing, love to your home . Jcole said it best " She's Shallow but the pussy deep" , most women are just that fun to fuck and little else. I get excited whenever I find one who I can maintain even a somewhat interesting conversation with .
[deleted] 7y ago
This. I'm so exited for the future generations of men. If I had 20 high quality sexbots, I'd never pursue pussy again.
unless it came to me.
t12totalxyzb00 7y ago
The millennials are fucked.
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A simple litmus test for if she's worth more than just sex is not the standard "I can make her laugh" but if she can make you laugh.
skankhunt-yon-juu-ni 7y ago
Girls Rule. Women are Funny. Get Over It.
zboo1h 7y ago
You just fucked my mind. I can't remember the last time a woman has made me authentically laugh and not AT something stupid or childish she did or said. Holy shit. They really aren't shit.
[deleted] 7y ago
Martha Stewart during the Justin Bieber roast was pretty funny. She looks good for how old she is.
aanarchist 7y ago
if she can make you laugh against your will. it's not hard to laugh at what people say when you're a chill dude who likes to have a good time.
rigbed 7y ago
Any girl I've fallen for has made me laugh. They're AWALT in the end, but there are enough funny girls out there.
103342 7y ago
Even beyond that. Taking most girls on real dates, where you get to talk and know each other, is a literal pussy-dryer apparently.
Girls are literally training dudes to treat them like cum-dumpsters and then complaining that we do so.
The smallest amount of yourself that you "give", the smallest amount of time that you invest in a real relationship, the bigger your chances of falling in the provider role and pay full price for a beat-up pussy.
Even texting too much will get you tagged as Beta bux in record time.
skankhunt-yon-juu-ni 7y ago
I'm sooooo glad I got married before texting existed. Women go batshit nuts over texts. It's either too much, not enough, guys don't respond fast enough or guys respond too fast. Jesus, I can't fathom texting anything to a woman other than "pick up milk" or "I'm in the second car from the front of the train." To think you poor bastards have to have conversations via text. Shudder.
Drogba006 7y ago
I'm 24. It fucking depressing that replying too fast or even sending a second text makes you literally undateable/unfuckable.
Crazy pills, that's only way to put it. Fucking crazy pills. You adapt to it but Goddamn dude
askmrcia 7y ago
Yup. I got literally every insult thrown my way at women. Women say I text too much, I text too little, I'm a dry texted, it seems weird I use emojis.... Blah blah blah
I heard all of that. Not too mention I've been called thirsty for calling. I know it's probably I date the wrong women, but the women that don't care about all this petty shit is non existent
skankhunt-yon-juu-ni 7y ago
Yeah, good luck bro. I'd suggest you ask them if they have texting etiquette they would like you to adhere to, but that sounds like a self-imposed shit test and we all know that Tuesday Jenny that has one set of rules is different from Thursday Jenny that you are texting with.
Drogba006 7y ago
I'd do that as a joke for myself, sounds entertaining
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Drogba006 7y ago
.....Okay dude. It looks like you're about to pop, you gonna finish in my mouth or on my stomach?
aanarchist 7y ago
basically we're all still a bunch of betas scurrying around competing for the few unicorns that are around.
whatsazipper 7y ago
There are no unicorns, hence the name.
SeemedGood 7y ago
AWALT - There are no free-roaming unicorns.
And this is coming from a man who thought he was married to one for years as his manhood faded into total BP BB wussification. Back in the day, I was the buff chad with whom she fulfilled her hypergamous urges while treating her LTR BP boyfriend like an all-day sucker and shortly thereafter ditching him like nuclear waste. Coolest woman ever (to me), I thought - total unicorn. Made me laugh. Never even looked twice at another guy. Twenty years later it turned out that I was the all-day sucker. She hasn't been unfaithful, but all the other BP BB issues popped up in the middle of our relationship while we lived in a dream house, in a dream town complete with the 3 children, Weimaraner, staff, luxury cars & vacations I provided. I was dying inside, and so was she actually. Together we had morphed me into that ultimate provider which half of her always wanted, but the other half detested.
It started dawning on me when she imported the children's music teacher into our house. Started out with group lessons for them at his studio, then she joined the group, then private lessons at our house, then group lessons and private lessons at our house. She had the guy father-figuring my kids as an excuse to have him around and fantasize while I was out earning. I saw the guy and he looked a lot like an older version of how I used to look, buff (I had lost my cut by then). Dude was dirt poor, with no real status but that didn't matter, he had some manly "danger" game. I saw in the way she looked at him how she lusted after him and started waking the fuck up.
I know that many/most of you are thinking "Sure she didn't cheat buddy, don't delude yourself." She didn't, I caught it in time and had that professionally verified. Not sure whether or not it eventually would have happened. Probably so, AWALT.
It's taking me a while to get my old self back and figure out how MRP is really supposed to work but I'm getting there bit by bit. Working on the theory that you can evolve a decent partner-wife into a unicorn if you keep your frame and and your shite together and she's conscious / spiritually-evolved enough to be honestly self-critical and actually wants to become a unicorn.
Not sure that's possible either, just a working theory. We'll see I suppose. I must say though if it's not possible I don't really see the point to being married.
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SeemedGood 7y ago
Read that one again. Though given many opportunities, I didn't cheat. It was difficult not to, but frankly, I was at a point in my life when I really didn't want to do that, particularly not with her, and especially not after I started feeling for her.
But thanks for the appreciation. It's somewhat cathartic for me to get some of this stuff off my chest pseudonymously in a community of folks who will read and respond critically from a place of real understanding (of varying degree).
And you are correct in that I should have expected that behavior from my wife. Unfortunately, I had "unicorned" her without doing the spiritual/consciousness work that such alchemy requires, and thus had unrealistic expectations. That was really the beginning of my (re)awakening and I had to suffer through a few years of confusion in no-man's-land, get mauled by the woman at work, and then pass through a lengthy period of anger/despair before I finally finished waking the fuck up - for good this time. Though I still don't really know what to make of the second episode other than:
Though it was a painful and costly slumber, I do have to be thankful that those women allowed me to give myself the lesson. Lord knows I needed it.
TryDoingSomethingNew 7y ago
That would make a great post if you care to share it one day!
SeemedGood 7y ago
Thanks, I just did. Feel free to link it.
EDIT: for courtesy
TheRedLadle 7y ago
Congrats on waking up - you'll definitely start to see things improve!
What do you mean you got the fact you're wife didn't cheat professionally verified?
SeemedGood 7y ago
Thanks. Things have already started to improve.
Hired a professional to closely but discretely observe the situation and search for potential forensic evidence. Not my usual style, but this was a potentially a pretty big deal and I had to know to the truth to the best of my ability to discover it.
TheRedLadle 7y ago
Thanks for the reply. At least that should being a bit of peace of mind! All the best going forward!
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Women also "court" multiple Men at the same time.
I think they think that "every" dude who's trying to put the moves on them will do this, but traditionally Men only had 1 iron in the fire at a time.
If dating became more traditional Women would freak as they would only ever have 1 or 2 guys chasing them at a time.
And they couldn't live on 1 call and date a week.
stawek 7y ago
This is very simple.
Women have raised their standards. Instead of 90% of men getting married we have 10% of men getting all the non-marital sex.
Now, if they simply ignore 90% of men, they cut the demand for their product tenfold. Which means, they are getting shit value for their pussies.
grewapair 7y ago
This is what wall-approaching women usually say when the betas stop calling to treat them like a princess while getting NOTHING in return. They assume that men just aren't treating all women the same any longer.
No you idiot, they aren't treating YOU the same any longer because you got ugly.
Women who are approaching the wall or post wall don't see it. It happens over the course of several years, so they think they look the same. They don't understand that even a subtle change can make a world of difference.
This is why you don't want to date someone approaching or post-wall. They'll demand the same treatment they got in their peak, because they assume it would go on like that forever.
scarletspider3 7y ago
Most chick's these days are LTR material so why bother spending
fcb98292 7y ago
Why would I? I don't leave it up to their answer anymore. It is far better to be pursued than to pursue.
Bullshit. If I accept a girl's attraction and time, we go where I want. If they play a feminist card and try to steer, I walk and they get left alone to pay the bill.
Like I need to. I take care of myself so that I am the best example to my boys and the men in my sphere. I am not chick magnet but there is plenty of pussy on the line out there. Abundance mentality.