But that's what game is my friend

Tries to be anti-game, only to show that he's had a gameplan for a while now...nice try OP.

 

In the right situation it's "effortless" to get women to have sex with you if you don't actually screw it up by your actions.

 

You simply put an offer on the table and see if she is buying.

 

Absolutely correct.

The mistake a beta will make is he can't believe things are happening.

To the beta a woman requires "work"... this blinds you.

Don't think that "Money for Nothing and Chicks for Free" will be a constant truth in your life but the wise man exploits opportunities.

Be like the Fox sometimes... not always the Lion.

 

+1 for putting your dick on the table.

Damn this is exactly how my game is and I have been killing it with it for years. You need legit game prior to all this to get them in the taxi or "watch a movie" tho. That's a huge part you're leaving out

"You don't need "game" or the ability to read social cues or neuro linguistic programming or some shit. You simply put an offer on the table and see if she is buying."

Ex-act-ly.

Game is what makes "Hi, want to come back to my place" possible.

You need a little bit of social interaction first. And game is what turns her response to your initial words from "Go away" to "Hi".

You don't need "game"

Right, you don't need game. But you do approach? You do open? You do ask for logistics? You do pass shit tests? You plow through ASD and LMR?

You don't need game, but you do.

OP already has a game but he does not know it

Solid insight. I'm the opposite, a "big proponent" of game including elements of NLP. But what you say is very true, it's nice to know some of the tricks, but you never NEED to know anything. Nature has included all the tools you need to screw the girl in the package already.

Many men these days have slight asperger type tendencies. When encountering TRP, they become obsessed with knowing everything. Mistake... all you need is a bare minimum of knowledge, general lay of the land, and then get into it. TRP's prescriptions become transfigured in a whole new light once you compare & contrast using your own actual experience from yesterday. Fortune is a woman, she smiles on the reckless.

Funny thing: you don't need to include those bullshit disclaimers on TRP, since no matter what you say here, you're a rapist already. Might as well relax and not even apologize for yourself.

An european Pick Up guru, especialized in Daygame, known as Krauser PUA, has been revealing his stats since 2013 2013: 1000 openings and 27 lays ( https://krauserpua.com/2014/01/01/my-2013-daygame-stats/ ) 2014: 480 openings and 23 lays ( https://krauserpua.com/2015/01/03/my-2014-daygame-stats/ ) 2015: 670 openings and 15 lays ( https://krauserpua.com/2016/01/02/my-2015-daygame-stats/ )

Another professional PUA, known as Craig Cassidy, did the same and reported 50 openings within 5 days and ZERO lays http://cassidypua.com/theory/daygame-euro-jaunts-expectation-vs-reality/

An more famous PUA, Roosh V, also leaked some of his stats, although a little vague, but something like 13 lays in 250 approachs, what is more or less the same rate of Krauser http://www.rooshv.com/sex-is-mathematics

Keep in mind that these guys makes money this way and so they have no interest in lowering their achievements. Also keep in mind that they practice pickup for years and in almost full time I think, so that they sell books, bootcamp and videos infield. And what amazes me most is that their success rate is about 2-3%, while dealing with a lot of rejection, sometimes in a humiliating way, false phone numbers that lead to loss of time in WhatsApp messaging that end in nothing, wasted time on dates that end in no sex ..

Then i found these pranks on youtube. Guys who are just asking 100 women “Do you wanna fuck?”, without putting any effort to make some more complex interation and they get a 1% success rate. I repeat, no effort, no technique. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BGgJuDh_WU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKFIZiHz4vE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ira9A7wSW3M

It’s a numbers game. It's like if you make one thousand basketball shots, even if you are a lame player, you score eventually. So, do pickup techniques, hypnosis, NLP, cold reading or any other PUA stuff really make a difference in game that worths all this time, money and effort spent?

Real Social Dynamics (RSD) dominates the seduction market nowadays. They basically teach Spam Approaching that is basically open, open and open 10 tons of women in one single night (“minimize time between interactions”) until you find some horny drunk fat chick http://dudiggy6iue4.album.uol.com.br/rsd/11834876

Even other PU instructors mock them http://dudiggy6iue4.album.uol.com.br/rsd/11834875 http://dudiggy6iue4.album.uol.com.br/rsd/11834874

So There’s a great illusion sold by PU cochs: if you buy their product and train hard, with time, things get easier and rejections increasingly rare until you become a sex guru. The uncovinient Truth is: you gonna invest money, effort and time wasted in opening a shitload of women, like a machine, being rejected over and over so that, in the end, you will always have to repeat the same process unceasingly even after years of practice

oh fuck, i got a movie date with a girl for next week and i thought of it as something totally casual, now that i read this and connect the dots she's probably more cock hungry than i expected, dam, not sure how i feel about this

i dont see how trying to be their friend fucks it up tho, i just see it as extra bonding that ignites the fires inside their panties

I can't agree more with this.

The way you guys date on here must be exhausting.

wrong: you do need "game" to give her SOME reason, ANY reason to actually give up her most coveted currency. The best game isn't some formula of lines you read off like a script, but faking a deep connection (perhaps by pretending to share interests)

I just don't know what I should be saying as in escalate. I can walk over and chat but people here say don't ask her name job where she's from etc, what else do I fucking say? To go from strangers to wanting to fuck.

I can talk your ear off but I feel as if it's boring topics I can get them talking but again non sexually

"You simply put an offer on the table and see if she is buying"

Which is the way men deal with each other. Why should our actions, that serve us well in the world of men, change when dealing with women?

This post is hot, fresh off the press, truth.

Game is just the ability to show that you know whats happening behind the good girl facade. Most of the time a girl already knows if she's dtf or not within a few seconds of meeting you, so you pass a shit test or two and give her some plausible deniability ("Share a taxi", "Netflix etc.", "I just want to sleep in your bed", "something to tell my orbiters why I went over instead of saying that I just wanted to fuck, thus preserving my reputation"), and you're golden.

I'm with you though. There's too much fancy pua shit being pumped out. Be masculine, be the prize, be fun, lift, Abundance Mentality and Outcome Independance is all the game anybody here needs to get laid imo.

Sound like someone has confidence on top of confidence. I can buy into that aspect of the pull. I like his attitude as well as the simplicity of what he has to say. I am in absolute agreement that a large majority of guys out there fuck things up by over complication. A lot of times these complications prevent you from getting laid and the best way to deal with this possibility is to keep it simple. This statement is gold, " Anytime a woman puts herself in a position where she is alone with you in her or your home it generally means she wants you to fuck her. I don't care what she says her reasons are." Truer words were never spoken. Besides if she is not up for it you can always foxtrot oscar elsewhere. Take no prisoners and waste no time.

It's true, eventually. I, and many others, needed that laid out more deliberately while internalizing the process. Like Bruce Lee says. When I started the art, and punch was just a punch, a kick was just a kick. Once I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick no longer a kick. Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch, a kick us just a kick.

Last time I asked a girl over for a movie was 20 years ago about. And she thought it meant I wanted to fuck ! Oops I wasn't ready for that at all. I just wanted to get to know her better to see if maybe I wanted to fuck her.

You people make the world more awkward for me.

Thanks, unnecessary apostrophe guy!

Most of the criticisms aired in this forum miss the point of "game".

If you are a novice or beginner, you often have no idea of even where to begin. You see a guy picking up chicks and you wonder how he does it. I was that nerd once and I'm not ashamed to say that I was a clueless twit.

Think of game as the foundation upon which you will improve yourself to the point where you too can start pulling in the hot babes.

As a novice you will never equal the performance of a master, UNTIL you understand the principles AND put in the time.

Too many guys at the beginner level think that by simply reading about game that they can go out the next day and get laid and when that doesn't happen then " game" is criticized as being BS. Just because you've had your first driving lesson doesn't mean that you can go out and win the Indy 500 the very next day.

The road from novice to master is easy for some and harder for others, but it is a journey and it must be travelled if you want to get anywhere in life.

I know online dating is frowned upon but several years ago, before I found TRP, I used to meet up with dates at a bar. We'd chat, drink, call it a night and I'd walk them to there car, then they would ask where I was parked and I would tell them I don't live to far and had just walked. Usually they would offer to give me a ride, and usually they'd come up to my condo once we got there...

I like it. Keep it simple. Sometimes the best game is not what you say but also what you don't say. I roll with these two alphas I met at a music fest 2 years ago. They brought back two 8's to our camp and Ive plated one since. Ive heard her twice mention, "damn I'm glad you're not obnoxious like them." I'm in good shape, but my dudes are a lot taller and more built then myself. I might have the Bradley cooper face but these guys struck gold in the genetic lottery. Their downfall is they get obnoxious af. They say the stupidest shit sometimes and ill watch all the pussy in the room dry up. They're basically the two dudes from the sex drive, fucking strong openers with exellcent game but literally 0 self control. Hardcore idgaf mentality on expert level. I take what I can learn from them, adjust and fine tune it to my own game.

As they say in the military.. "keep it simple stupid".

You fool, this entire subreddit was spawned from PUA stuff. Kino. Escalation. Beta. Alpha. Set. Game. Where do you think those words come from? There are ways to organically display high social value, and there are ways to artificially display them. Pick up is an artifical display of value.

Lol let me explain my downvote.

What you're going for is a tactic called shock and awe. Basically you go go go for the pull from the get go and you wear her down by your incessant asking until she says yes. This only works in 3 instances. Either you are leagues above her in smv, she is extremely horny/mentally unstable, or you have to get randomly fucking lucky (like .5 percent shit.)

You have to be more subtle. You can still go for shock and awe, but instead of going for it after 5 minutes (unless the IOIs are there, I'm not saying this never works, it can.) Juts give it an extra 5 or 10 minutes. Get to know her and turn her on, then go for the pull.

I'm sorry guys, there is no getting around it. You need game. The only way you can circumvent needing game is by being in to top 1 percent of the top 20 percent, even then you have to be able to talk to women.

There is no magic trick to getting a girl to sleep with you in 5 minutes. You are going to have to game. Even when you think you aren't gaming, you are. Are you pulling her into your frame? Are you escalating physically? Are you working the logistics? That's game.

Simplementation and to the point. Makes sense. I like

Generally if a girl agrees to come over and watch a movie with me i have my arm around her within 5 minutes of starting the movie

You actually put a movie on?

The less game I use the faster I get my needs met. If you're good looking enough you can be making out and escalating within 10 minutes of meeting for the first time.

To get to the part of OP, most of us need to go through dating hell, much like salsa hell. And when you emerge a better man at the end of it, you basically start to give a lot less fucks and just be plain in what it is what you want and you take in rejection without it affecting you too much.

If you're not a natural, like me, you need to do the mileage to get skilled at wrapping in a girl with your words. Because I certainly don't look like an alpha. So I need to do it with charm. So for some it's nice to have some background information of seduction and PUA tactics. While trying those tactics, you learn what works for you and what doesn't. You need to fail. I failed a goddamn amount. But your experience filters out the crap you read here and tried implementing and after a magic number of dates and sexual encounters, you suddenly realise your brain isn't overthinking all that shit anymore, you start to relax and not giving too many fucks if she walks or not, you start recognizing when it's on, etc.

I've reached that point and I gave up giving a crap about a lot of things I used to give crap about. I used to get all rifled up, either being excited about a girl or feeling bad when she didn't reply. That's all gone. I used to do /u/Omlala 's dating guide and the next one and overthinking too many theories and too much stuff because it wasn't playing out like it should.

Now I just relax and do what feels good to me. I made my own dating guide by trying and failing .The problem with guides is that it is being served as a salvation or a true fix. For some it is, for most it isn't. Creating your own guide to women using whatever you found out here or there. And fail. Failing helps you learn. Hopefully without sounding arrogant, and I can't prove it, but as a 41 year old guy, pulling 25 year old girls is not only a lot of fun, but also something I thought impossible a few years ago.

On a side note, not giving a fuck any more and knowing my boundaries was half my battle.