Intro:
This week I was extended two job offers and accepted one which offers a 60% pay increase over my current salary . What I want to talk about is the two very different mindsets I’ve had both Pre and Post TRP in terms of new jobs and following my career path which I think are very comparable to how the sub recommends we approach the sexual marketplace . I think part of my growth is due to age and experience but I also know guys much older and experienced than me who hold similar mindsets as I did in my pre-TRP career mindset.
Pre-TRP Career Mindset : “ I’m just happy to be here”
For the first three and a half years of my career I have had a poor understanding of what my contribution to my team, offices, and industry was . I grew up with no connections to my field and only naive drive to succeed to steer me forward . If I’m honest this came across strongly in my interviews . I hoped my puppy dog enthusiasm and excitement towards the projects I could potentially be working on would speak louder than my personal presentation .
Interviewers would ask me questions and through a mixture of excitement and nervousness I would rattle off a somewhat applicable answer that hopefully my interviewer could decipher . Essentially I shared a lot of words without truthfully answering questions . People who don’t understand the work you do will eat that up , people who do will see right through it .
Much of this stemmed from a lack of self-esteem but even more so from not thinking I was worth the interview in the first place. I was so consumed by the idea that I was an imposter who happened to trick my potential future employers into inviting me in that I had to balance this demon of insecurity , still manage and conduct myself like some sort of professional , and sell my self as the right man for the job . It was way too much thinking and I sabotaged myself time and time again by not understanding that if someone invited me to their office for an interview then all I had to do was show up and not fuck it up to succeed .
The last mis-step I often had when interviewing was a complete and utter lack of abundance, every job was ( in my mind ) the future of my life for the next 50 years. Now this is just an uncommon concept in the modern workplace in general but even more in the tech industry . Realistically I stayed in one position for two years and that is a significant amount of time in my line of work . I was so wrapped up in the fantasy of what this job could be / do for me that I couldn't acknowledge the reality of it .this lead to me putting far too much pressure on myself and the interview at hand because I didn’t have realistic expectations of what the job was , how it would benefit me , and how it worked as a stepping stone in my larger career map. Many times I was just happy to be contacted by a potential employer which allowed my emotions / imagination to run wild even for shitty work spaces . Thoughts such as “ You have beautiful cubicles here “ , "ooh what a lovely window that is “, “ how many Trashcans is that? 3? Amazing!”. I had low expectations of myself and no expectations for the workplaces I was interviewing at.
Post-TRP Career Mindset : “ I look forward to working together”
I am now over 4 and a half years into my career at this point and I have a very strong idea of not just what I bring to the table , but what my peers bring to the table, where most of my peers fail, where I fail , and where I can better succeed in the future .
This comes across quite strongly in my speech . I used to believe the more words I used to express how attractive a candidate I was the more convincing I was being. The past 6 months of interviewing I have said less and been offered more in terms of salary than I ever have in my entire life ( yes partially due to experience but I also have a higher interview success rate ). I am able to bring my message across far more concisely now and usually if they want me to further explain an answer I of course will . I also tend to to play off their energy / vibe as well I can make small talk with chatty interviewers and the raw Nuts & Bolts guys just want the facts and I am happy to give them just that.
I have a much larger ego , and a stronger sense of self-esteem in large part due to developing a frame . I've understood frame to be a foundation , a core, a center, a base off of which the rest of my thoughts , actions, and words stem from . I used to view Job interviews as a trial in which someone wanted me to prove I was a worthy candidate, now I appreciate it as an invitation to demonstrate the value I know I possess. The job interview process to me always seems kind of annoying for everyone involved you're usually interrupting someone else's workday to speak with you ,so give them the chance to say that the hour they spent talking to was worthwhile and if it isn't they get the chance to repeat the process until they find someone worthwhile . I go into the interview knowing I must be capable of the job on some level or they wouldn’t have invited me in , so my job is to show them that my resume , references, or whatever are just further confirmation that the man in front of them is a man who can do the job .
Lastly I’ve embraced the understanding that a job is a job I’ve worked with bigger teams , small teams , guys I have loved, guys I didn’t like , at Locations I enjoyed, at locations that fucking sucked. The environment changes, the people change , my projects, and responsibilities change but a job is just that a job . It’s a means to help me build my life, provide some value to a company , and explore / improve my skills . At the end of the day every job will end whether you’re the Pope or a garbage man your assignment will come to a conclusion even if death robs you of the chance to quit . The point being that I have learned to embrace the abundance of the job market and the impermanence of my current job-state at any time . I still believe in performing well at my job HOWEVER the jobs I’ve had, the new job I have , and the jobs I will have in the future are just ever changing additional details in my life and embracing that makes it easier to appreciate the moment of an interview . if it doesn’t work out there will be other jobs and if it does great, you have one for the moment .
Conclusion :
TRP and the knowledge shared here have made this year one of the most successful years in my life both professionally and personally , I thank the many awesome contributors to this sub even if I have to dig through the shit to find you . I think the job market mirrors the Sexual market place in a lot of ways so some mantras I want to reiterate that have worked well for me.
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Don’t be unattractive: , I didn’t cover this too much but go into your interview looking nice / decent , bathe , and while small talk is fine don’t be like Pre-TRP me trying so hard to make an impression that the only impression you leave is that you’re annoying or trying to cover for something .
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Believe in yourself or no one else will: Act like you’ve been to a job interview before and that you know that you will have others later . They wouldn’t have invited you in if they didn’t believe on some level you could do the job ….or if they are CutCo / primerica who will take whatever bottom feeders that they can get .
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Know thyself: Research your skillset, expected skills for positions you desire, and what your peers or prospective peers are doing to achieve their positions. I picked up a key piece of technical knowledge when a market was emerging just out of curiosity and that tech has lead me to a pretty successful career today . Know what’s out there, make sure you stay sharp, and know what you bring to the company , to the market , and create a career roadmap to help you project your future.
- Abundance is Everything: When it comes to careers /jobs I know tremendously successful people with stories of being fired / laid - off . I know people who have held onto the same job out of fear who have had the same job 10+ years . It’s your career / job and please explore it the way you’d like to but just like we don’t put our value in women I think it’s also misguided to put too much of your value into a specific job . Even CEO’s get fired and change jobs so if you grow and are a desirable employee ( or stagnate and become a burden) most likely you will too. Do the best job that you can in the moment , gain the most knowledge / experience you can for yourself in the moment so that when your job ends you can rest comfortable in the knowledge that you can apply your skills and knowledge somewhere else .
muppetspuppet 7y ago
Nice post. One of the things that I've found has helped me maintain frame and abundance mentality as I've advanced in my career is remembering that a job interview is just as much an opportunity for you to interview them as it is them to interview you. Make sure you want to work with the people you're talking with and do the tasks they seek. Also, make sure you get all of your questions answered, and if something doesn't add up, probe further.
Luckyluke23 7y ago
as someone who is looking to get a job this is helpful thanks.
any tips for someone who does have the 4+ years of exp?
Docbear64 7y ago
In regards to anything specific?
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DazeIsOver 7y ago
The Red Pill has frankly evolved into way more than a discussion of sexual strategy, and to me, this kind of success story has it's special kind of appeal. The newbies should be reading the sidebar, the top posts, and this kind of posts that extends into other areas of life. I feel that these posts remove the blinders that most of us have in the anger phase, the phase in which most of us find and join this sub.
More power to you mate.
babayega 7y ago
I like that direction. A few months ago I remember posting something and people dismissed it as not directly relevant to "sexual strategy". To me trp has become about working on myself and focusing on raising my smv. Best case it positively impact my sex life, worst case... I did my best, improved my life as much as I can, and have no regrets.
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Docbear64 7y ago
thank you I appreciate it , I know some of the older career/ industry based field reports helped me make some critical decisions about my career and hoped to contribute back to the sub .
el_superbeastooo 7y ago
Thank you for your contribution. I may be due for a job change soon and having trouble with embracing abundance at the moment. This post came at a good time to remind me of some basic shit and to keep things in perspective.
_the_shape_ 7y ago
This is the kind of soil that yields a forrest of nihilism.
This is how you get the half-asleep schmuck who'd cry if his boss berated him, half-asleep at the copy machine counting down the days until Friday, the point in the week where he gets to go home and jerk off for hours uninterrupted on his crusty couch until Monday rolls back around, and then the process begins again.
This is how you get the washed up office ho, flashing proof of her corralled beta bux on her ring finger while flirting with one of the young attorneys one moment, asking Denise if she's finally fucked the newest partner Matt despite the fact that she and her boyfriend are scheduled to get hitched in a few months.
Have a purpose in your life. Have a goal(s). Challenge yourself. Don't get caught up in the undertow and find yourself one day amongst this sorry cast of lifeless, despicable, pathetic characters inhabiting this ecosystem of nothingness.
ministypill 7y ago
The Principle of Reciprocal.
Most people don't know the true purpose of an interview: you should be both an interviewer and an interviewee in any job interview. First you should be a good candidate, pass those typical interview questions such as where do you see yourself in five years?
Then it is your turn to verify if this company qualify for you as well: Is this company a great platform for me to grow? Does the company has a clear career growth path? How happy are other employees? Is it fun to work here or just another 9-5 job?
I only went for job interview once after I executed the exit plan for my previous company. After passing those typical interview questions for 30 minutes, I decided to test if the blond HR woman understood the dynamics of power. So I asked her the following questions:
Without checking on internet, in how many ways you can verify if IKEA North America is a non-profit organization?
What do you consider to be the weaknesses of Company-Name?
HR woman failed them all.
JesusTheThird3 7y ago
Right on with the Principle of Recprical. Did you get an offer?
The dynamics of power dictates that the HR lady had the final say in your fate without having to deal with the consequences (she will not be your direct manager) - this is not a person who should be made feel awkward by directly quizzing them for competence and having them fail.
The ask questions back isn't an opportunity to put them on the spot it is an opportunity to covertly insinuate that you have other options and get them to try to qualify themselves in the process.
'Tell me more about this job and day to day responsibilities' followed by a face that speaks 'I am examining' is what should be asked, 'How many ways can you verify ....' is a big no no - questions must be about the job, not attacks against them as an individual.
ministypill 7y ago
I did. But not because of her, but the owner was my board adviser. We have rotating roles to help each other's companies, identify uncovered grey area. You can't see obvious problem of your company when you are in the management role for too long, which rotating board/adviser who are experienced/Alpha/Bold guy can point out right the way. For example I had a shitty sales team but I didn't know. He had shitty HR but no way he can find out.
The "In how many ways" actually is a legit interview question. It is a way to find out how creative the person is, how willing to cooperate with other employees(if he/she work solo or with a group) and how he/she handle under pressure. There are more version such as How many ways you can use a stapler?
For example, the first question just has a single limit with not using the internet, however, the interviewee can call 411, can go to library, can drive to IKEA to verify with any manager, fly to Sweden for an answer, or start an campaign on national TV to debate whether IKEA North America whether we, the people, should allow IKEA operate as a Non-profit organization, or simply hire a lawyer to check it out.
I didn't need the job but I just love to work. They demoted the HR woman a week later, she no longer handle interviews but paperwork. Managers on each department will be part of the interview to question job related issues, as they know what kind of people they need to hire. That company became much more energetic 6 months after after my term finish.
At the end of the day, if a company hires people base on their interview, they just hired people good at interview, not on the actual job. I hope these will help RedPiller to get a successful career path, by leveraging what he can do, also will not be intimated by the toxic HR culture.
JesusTheThird3 7y ago
Abundance is indeed everything. Getting a job is no different than getting laid. Be of high value, don't hesitate to apply, put a minimal investment into each application but apply to as many as possible.
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How can I apply this for US Medical School interviews?
Docbear64 7y ago
I mean a few of these concepts are just good social concepts to adopt anyway . Don't be unattractive, understand the specializations of the school you are attending and be able to clearly express what you feel you can assist the institution in developing / researching , If you compose yourself in a mature and dignified manner just about any job (including a medical - profession based one i would believe) would most likely believe in assisting you .
Be confident, understand what you can contribute or aspire to contribute to the school, understand what their prized students and majors are and if it aligns with what you want show them that you are a student that they want to include apart of their esteemed alumni .