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It's a mistake to think that entitlement goes away with age. I overhear ugly, fat women in their 40's and even 60's complaining about their boyfriends/husbands for simply being "dorky." Dorky is a common code word for "beta," because they can't really get away with complaining that their husband is too much of a push over, so dorky is a better word.

A few generations ago most single women over 30 didn't even get noticed and became spinsters, unless they were more attractive or had better personalities than most. Now even a fat, pre-menopausal chick feels entitled to alpha cock.

Why in the world would the OKC OP WANT to pass her "shit tests"? She sounds like a disaster. So let's say he "passed". What does that get him? Another horrible date with her?

35 BTW isn't that old if you're in southern California, that can look pretty good actually....and often does come along with total attitude.

This is simply a lesson in do a better job screening your online dates so you don't have to endure one like this.

She was thirty minutes late and no phone number?! Fuck that!

I'll get a drink then fuck off somewhere else after fifteen minutes.

Talking about exes is a huge red flag IMO. What I'd do is straight up tell her I have no desire to hear about her exes and if she keeps on going, I'd cut the date short.

If she leaves to go talk to someone else, discreetly clear my tab and leave. I won't put up with this shit. It's extremely disrespectful.

Turns out she was Syrian. Dude's lucky he escaped the date with his head attached.

Half an hour late cause she went to the wrong bar

Or it was a weird power game. "I've still got it, I can get away with making people wait around for me like I did when I was 20!"

My mother, nearly fifty, will show up to my residence, get mad that I don't have time for her inane relationship quarrels and office gossip and theN storm out and text me how angry she is instead of talking like an adult.

All women are like that no matter the age

I'm gonna go off on an unorthodox tangent here:

Her walking off to talk to the other guy was not a shit test; it was her trying to establish that she is popular and has status. She's trying to communicate that she's desired by other men, in an attempt to make the guy jealous.

See, this is solipsism at work, yet again. She thinks that because women find status and preselection to be attractive, that men must find that attractive too. She is, of course sorely mistaken, but since feminism teaches women to behave just like men, this is how she acts.

And not for anything, I'd have left after she was 5 minutes late, 10 tops. I wait a half hour for no bitch.

on my last tinder date the woman tried to con me into paying for her drinks...

we basically had gone out for drinks, in order to meet up and judge eachothers' worthiness.

naturally by the end of the date she had the expectation I was some kind of walking ATM who pays for any queef's drinks.

My reaction, "Why would you think I was going to pay for you? When did I agree to that? Hey aren't you some kind of feminist? Where is your independence and equality?"

Her defense? "How could you make me pay for my drinks in front of all my friends?" hahaha... her "friends". She didnt know anyone at the bar besides the bartender and maybe 1 lady who she was acquainted with. What a deceitful manipulative sack of mess. I think she was 35 or 36, but has 2 daughters.. single mom.

Didnt work out that night but the next day she texted me to apologize and ask for a porking

Naturally I turn down that kind of crazy every time. Why risk my reputation by associating with a dumbass crazy.

clearly her talking about exes and going to excitedly speak to another man were examples of shit tests, but what should OP have done?

For the exes I'd go with something like: (laugh) "Oh, exes? I was going to jump straight into politics or religion. (laugh) What'd he do?" You don't ignore it, you handle it with humor, you let her know it's not an appropriate topic for discussion, and then you show it doesn't bother you asking her to tell the story anyway. She should drop it, or she may tell a short version of it but feel self-conscious while she's doing it.

As for the other bit, it's important to note that the guy she went to talk to was apparently an acquaintance, not just a random dude. Saying hi to a friend is one thing, hitting on a stranger is another. In this specific situation -- no chemistry, she's not participating in the conversation, didn't look like her pictures, etc. -- I would have gotten my check and left when she went to talk to the other guy. You know it's not happening and when she walks over to her friend she loses the privilege of a polite goodbye.

These two particular shit test?

As for talking about exes, I would listen with interest and gently encourage more stories in a non-judgmental manner.

As for getting up and talking to another man, tha's not a shit test, it's an insult. I would end the "date" right there and then, asking for separate checks like the OP.

Dating sites give women a false sense of entitlement and makes them think that men are less then they are because it empowers them to do the picking and choosing when in fact that is our Job and has always been. I stay away from dating sites. This is one reason.

Know how to recognize and combat shit tests. This is the part where I'd like to open up discussion

Here you go:

/r/TheRedPill/comments/22qnmk/newbies_read_this_the_definitive_guide_to_shit/

Half an hour late cause she went to the wrong bar

Dude waited 29 minutes and 59 seconds too long. He surrendered frame by waiting for this crazy chick.

This story made me LoL. For one, he did the right thing in asking for separate checks, but why would he stay there after waiting for her for 30 minutes in the first place?

Oh well, at least he ate onion rings.

I can't believe OP even stayed throughout the whole dinner when she was talking about her exes. I know remaining stoic is important, but what a failure of a shit test.

That kind of behavior is way beyond a shit test. I would have left that bitch at the bar real quick.

TL:DR Don't go on dates with women over the age of 25

What particularly interests me about this interaction is the incident where she left to speak to another guy at the bar.

How would a fully initiated redpiller deal with such an occurence(inb4 don't date post-wall women), and what are some takeaways for future reference?

Easy rules for online dating:

1. A few email exchanges then get her phone number. If she resists, next.
2. Talk to her on the phone to see if she has a sense of humor, there is some degree of rapport, and she is not crazy. If something is odd, next.
3. Set up an afternoon coffee date. Tell her you have one hour before you are meeting your friend for an outing. If she does not meet your expectations, next.
4. If things are going well enough to close, cancel your nonexistent outing and go for it. If you don't see the close opportunity, leave after an hour and tell her you will be in touch.
5. If you like her, call her the next day and ask her out within the next few days before someone else gets her. Take her somewhere YOU like, for me its a bar like my favorite bar, but not the place I hang out at.

If a woman starts talking about her exes be sure to listen it's valuable information. I'd love to know a women's track record before hand.

Oh that many? Congratulations to you, pump and dump next

Since when was there an assumption that post-wall women are easier? Single mothers might be desperate, but 30-something childless women are just about the most delusional bitches on the market. They don't want the cock carousel, they don't any beta bucks to raise their kid, they need to find Mr Right asap and their standards are delusionally high as a result.

Remember folks, every woman thinks she's 10% hotter than she was at her peak. If she was a 7 at 22, she'll round herself up to an even 8 in her head for the rest of her life.

Here's the answer. Half an hour late, you go home no matter who it was.

I left after 20 minutes of waiting for a model in Tinder date. Did not pick up the phone when she tried to find me after 45 minutes.

Calmly rescheduled for the next day. Met. Banged all night.

Never assume postwall women are automatically easier or desperate to please.

I can assure you that they are more desperate to get treated like a queen, because no one will do it. So they will just push you harder to take them to nicer places than someone way prettier. So you pay more, get less. No thanks.

Some shit tests are so shitty it's not worth the effort

Being post-wall doesn't mean that a woman necessarily admits to her self that she is a shadow of her former glory.

When reality is unpleasant, humans have a way of ignoring it. This applies to over-the-hill women in spades.

There's a couple ways to deal with the ex's shit test.

Agree and Amplify: Start talking about your own exes and exaggerate them. Make exes up. If she continues, and specifically focuses on these guy's flaws, continue amping up to ridiculous levels the quality, beauty, and overall wonderfulness of yours followed by some minor thing they did (comically minor) that you dumped them for. Hopefully at some point she'd realize you were intentionally mocking her and any direction that went, positive or negative, would be better than her talking about her exes.

Flip the Script: Get interested in each story then find some (real or made up) possible flaw in her that actually caused whatever "asshole" thing the guy did. Left you for a 22 year old floozie? Maybe he just couldn't resist her looks (implication there is obvious). If things go south, this line of conversation would eventually provide the opportunity to nuke the hamster from orbit with a buyer's market of targets.

lol check this guy out: /u/RapistHere

Red pill urban biologist here,

I would strongly advise you to stop consuming all mountain dew products as they have been ethnically proven to lower your sperm count. This can dramatically lower your leverage in an ltr and prevent you from converting plates.

For a list of approved beverages please head over to r/redpillsciencelab

Blue pillers are totally obsessed with us. They create fake accounts and everything!

At my advancing age, I have dated a number of post-wall women in late 40s. I still want to believe that not all women are like that, surely they've learned and grown as they've aged, but no...

My experience is that All Women Are still Like That.

Let me tell you some stories:

• A woman I've been dating learns she has cancer and tells me she's going back to her ex who has promised to take care of her. Still has a final romp with me after this fact - that's nice for the ex, isn't it.

• A woman fawning over me and my alpha conviction until she has a death in her family - I go from strong frame to compassionate and caring, and she goes cold losing all respect for me with the relationship all over a month later.

• A woman cheats on me one month into the relationship. She hamsters like you couldn't imagine and we "work it out" and decide to go on. Over a year later, find her on a dating site while we are still together while she simultaneously acts the perfect girlfriend.

• A woman won't sleep with me for first four dates, but during heavy petting on date 2, I find she's fully brazillian waxed (unusual in my age group). She's wanting exclusivity but I find later she was dating two other guys who she totally isn't sleeping with - she just waxes because she likes it.

I often figure "this one seems measured, kind and compassionate" but impressions are deceiving. The power they have always corrupts them. It does not end. AWALT.

Many years ago, a wise associate of mine told me "All the good women are gone by the time they're 25." and damn he sure turned out to be right. Be smart, guys.

*edit: Added a quote mark and clarified wording.

Up your fucking standards. If you think an old woman is worth a date, you've underestimated your value enormously.

Old women are good for free fucks to validate their sad, lonely egos. If they're not pushing, their cost exceeds their value.

I get hit on by these nasty old cunts all the time. If they're not degrading themselves in public for me, ignore.

Striking out on the monkey game? Take your urge to shit to a prossie.

One auxiliary explanation is baggage. You will be held to account for every failed relationship the woman has had, every indignity she has suffered at the hands of previous lovers, every ounce of effort she spent on other guys who did not reciprocate. On the other hand, you will be expected to match or exceed their best qualities. It takes a while for this to settle into their psyche, generally by age 25.

As far as OKC is concerned, there is a strategic choice regarding how must online interaction precedes setting up a meeting. Personally, if the girl is young and hot then I don't demand her phone number and don't worry about setting up a "date". But with a 35 year old woman, sheesh: do a bit more pre-screening, at least the point where you can exchange numbers and notice any inconsistencies in her story. Forearmed with forewarned.

I've actually had something like this happen before. At the time I was totally beta and didn't understand what was going on. She was a 30 year old woman too so she was hitting the wall. This chick had a totally crazy history with lots of men. She had 3 baby daddies and 4 kids already. She didn't exclusively talk about just her exes but she just basically complained about how shitty her life was. I didn't recognize what she was doing as a shit test because she didn't try to denigrate me at all during her whining.

Also, if you read that norah vincent book, she has a story where the same thing would happen to her again and again. She eventually stumbled on the right response to this shit test.

I talked to a really alpha guy I know about it later. He was a manager at a strip club and wrestler. Not the most charming guy but really fit and used to not taking any shit. This was his answer to me. "I make shit sandwiches, I don't take them."

If some women is trying to make you a shit sandwich, immediately tell her in no uncertain terms that you will not put up with that shit. Tell her you came to have fun and you are looking for a fun person. Everyone has issues but I am not the one to talk to about that shit. Save it for your shrink. If you cannot talk about anything else, the date is over.

Don't go out for dinner on the first date. That was the guys first mistake. It's easier (less annoying) to have to leave due to her behavior when just having a drink. Shit test or not going to talk with another guy when on a date is a no-go.

Booyah! Instant redemption dawg.

First of all her being late would have pissed me off. Second of all is no-one here bothered by the fact that she lied about her ethnicity? I refuse to believe that that should just be skirted around. What if I have a thing for Asians and I find out she's Indian (technically Asian)? Fuck. That. Shit.

Did any of you actually took time and read the article? this fucking tool had a diet pepsi and onion rings on a date... two sides to every story, i woulda lost respect instantly if i was this hag.